end of My Expert Opinion Podcast. ( Bigga left, now Champ out too) BagFuel up next

[keone]

I forgot all about that

When I heard that shit, and how he would try to put it off and delay paying them I knew he was full of shit.

and then he was lying to queenzflip that he was payin him
he did the same thing maybe even worse cause ghost saw the books

 

[keone]

seems like he turned his comments off

 

[keone]

 

[REDLINE]

I don't believe they were there for years. Even if they were there for years, it's on them to asked to be compensated for what they adding. If you work a regular 9 to 5 and decide you want to do extra work, do the hire ups automatically pay you for the extra work? The other thing is it kind of comes off like they were there to get exposure for their own platform initially, so being on the show was considered compensation. Basically they were using a bigger platform to drive an audience/traffic to their platform. I don't think it was done the way Math tried to make it out. Again, he wasn't paying them, they weren't always regulars and they already the show.

I'm not going to argue what is morally right. I personally would pay anyone who assisted me. From what was said, Math wasn't necessarily obligated to pay them. The exception is Bigga who was providing security.

The other thing that was said was that they allegedly weren't aware of the amount of money Math was potentially bringing in. It comes off like they didn't mind doing it for free until they learned Math could pay. Once they learned the truth and asked to be paid, Math seemingly was willing. I think Math had a none compete clause in the contract. They clearly didn't want to sign the non compete. When they didn't sign, Math didn't want to pay them. I don't know that to be true but that is what seems to have occurred.

Even the part about bringing their show to Math's network makes a little more sense with the information that came out. For better or worse Esso didn't trust Math to keep them around if Esso couldn't help with Math's music career. Esso probably also wanted a bigger cut, so he didn't want the his show under Math. This is also why they didn't want to sign the contract because that means they potentially can't do anything without Math.

Every person that worked and added something to that show deserved to get paid something.

 

[guyver]

space was sending him invoices and math kept coming up with excuses
and then he came with vague story how he took 6k from the bank and lost it.
space had enough and left.

i get bigga not being paid tho cause that wasnt his reason and he is rich
the money convo only started when math was trying to be his boss and demanding shit

the other two were kinda the same. cause it was really esso. hy was on some lets build it the money will come later.
hy knows the game better than all of them so he knew the bag was coming. he had podcasts himself it wasnt called that then tho.
but the business just wasnt right. and math didnt want to make that right. im talking getting lawyer etc.
so when a deal comes they can move. but it seemed like math either had other plans or was just clueless.

for ur last point i agree thats why esso did what he did. cause he didnt know anybody on the show.
so when math was moving how he did. demanding them to be there. saying he dont care about esso sick moms and trying to use his
network to make more money for math. esso was like foh i dont know u.

Even if Bigga had money, Math still should have paid him for his security services at the normal rate. Now if he didn't want him as a host or help start his own pod, he should have been upfront about it. That gives Bigga the opportunity to leave or stay to learn more about podcast like he mentioned.This reminds me of people who ask for loans but never pay them back because you are allegedly well off. Being rich doesn't mean I want to work for free.

As far as being late, I'd have to know what for. Bigga is security, so I'd expect him to be there before anyone. Now if Bigga didn't consider himself security and provided the people that's different. His people are the ones protecting the guest, Math and/or other cohost. Bigga doesn't need to be there at all in that instance. In general, I'd think it's not the best idea to have people walking in or out while filming.if Bigga was late for some sort of cohost role, I don't agree with that given Math wasn't paying him for that.

Truthfully, all of the other cohost should have been more understandingabout the late thing. Yes, you aren't being paid, but you told me you'd show up at 8pm. If you don't want to show up on time or contribute to behind the scenes prep, don't agree to come to the show.

I never believed the lost 6k story either. even if he did, that's on him. He should have gone to the bank and got another 6k or better send it digitally.as the owner it's his responsibility to take the loss; not his employee.

 

[REDLINE]

the funny thing is everybody was contributing more to the show than math
bigga free security and cleaning
spaceghost equipment and editing etc. and cleaning
esso, mecc and hy using their industry connects for guests

Just damn

All I'm saying is that Math can't show up with new chains, a Rolex and Louis Vuitton clothes and not only have people complain about money.

But complain about people not getting paid period.

That literally makes no sense.

 

[keone]

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      math.hoffa
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      Believe that if you want to. They know I’m not the type to put my business out there or theirs. It’s a ploy to push me out of character. No one wants to work with a whistle blower…

 

[keone]

 

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      math.hoffa​

      Believe that if you want to. They know I’m not the type to put my business out there or theirs. It’s a ploy to push me out of character. No one wants to work with a whistle blower…

Math got bread and turned amish?

 

[keone]

Just damn

All I'm saying is that Math can't show up with new chains, a Rolex and Louis Vuitton clothes and not only have people complain about money.

But complain about people not getting paid period.

That literally makes no sense.

he was clowning hy that he was dusty and his sneakers were all fuked up
if thats the case why didnt u pay them?
he said he had to dress down just cause of them smh

 

[REDLINE]

Math got bread and turned amish?

Turned Amish and turned his back!

 

[REDLINE]

he was clowning hy that he was dusty and his sneakers were all fuked up
if thats the case why didnt u pay them?
he said he had to dress down just cause of them smh

I can't!

He had to tone it down around the broke bums that he wasn't paying to be on his show!

 

[keone]

Even if Bigga had money, Math still should have paid him for his security services at the normal rate. Now if he didn't want him as a host or help start his own pod, he should have been upfront about it. That gives Bigga the opportunity to leave or stay to learn more about podcast like he mentioned.This reminds me of people who ask for loans but never pay them back because you are allegedly well off. Being rich doesn't mean I want to work for free.

As far as being late, I'd have to know what for. Bigga is security, so I'd expect him to be there before anyone. Now if Bigga didn't consider himself security and provided the people that's different. His people are the ones protecting the guest, Math and/or other cohost. Bigga doesn't need to be there at all in that instance. In general, I'd think it's not the best idea to have people walking in or out while filming.if Bigga was late for some sort of cohost role, I don't agree with that given Math wasn't paying him for that.

Truthfully, all of the other cohost should have been more understandingabout the late thing. Yes, you aren't being paid, but you told me you'd show up at 8pm. If you don't want to show up on time or contribute to behind the scenes prep, don't agree to come to the show.

I never believed the lost 6k story either. even if he did, that's on him. He should have gone to the bank and got another 6k or better send it digitally.as the owner it's his responsibility to take the loss; not his employ

bigga wasnt security they were working for him.
he provided the guards and paying them.

the money thing when they all started there was no money
so everybody mind set was different
i gett what u saying tho

6k story is what made math fishy to me
after that i was like ok aight

 

[keone]

I can't!

He had to tone it down around the broke bums that he wasn't paying to be on his show!

make it make sense

 

[Complex]

Just damn

All I'm saying is that Math can't show up with new chains, a Rolex and Louis Vuitton clothes and not only have people complain about money.

But complain about people not getting paid period.

That literally makes no sense.

Esso said Math moved.

 

[REDLINE]

make it make sense

For real!

 

[playahaitian]

Haitian preaching.

 

[guyver]

Every person that worked and added something to that show deserved to get paid something.

With that logic the people being interviewed should be paid. From my understanding, that's not how it traditional works.

If they were formal employees or contractors, they should have gotten paid per their agreements. It's fuck up, but that's the reality of the world. You can't claim to be helping your friends and then cry about never being paid especially if you never asked to be paid. I don't know if it's legally changed, but let's not act as though unpaid internships, apprenticeship or volunteer work doesn't exist. I'm not saying that is what they were doing. My point is be upfront about being fairly compensated if that is what you are looking for. I honestly believe most people are not going to do the right thing especially if you're talking about real money. People will bearly give you gas money, money for watching their kid or help move furniture.



The reality is you get what you accept or what someone believes your role is worth. From their own mouths they were initially fine with being compensated with potential brand recognition. Being on Math's platform was a good look that they hoped would translate to value on their show. They were technically being compensated with what they initially wanted. Then they asked to be compensated in cash. Obviously, Math never paid all the cash for whatever reason.

 

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      math.hoffa​

      Believe that if you want to. They know I’m not the type to put my business out there or theirs. It’s a ploy to push me out of character. No one wants to work with a whistle blower…

Wait was Math at Bigga anniversary or something?

 

[34real]

I liked Bigga and he should of just offered to pay him something cause he was just his friend,even if it was free promotion for his security company.

Esso or whatever is a loud mouth that talks about "What he brings to the table","His connections" motherfucker no one knew who you was before Math's show just like they really don't know what you do now talking about being friends with DJ Clue....Clue.....Clue....Clue that does nothing for you now.

Hynikan or whatever,pay him

 

[keone]

For real!

at least get him some free clothing or something
even smaller shows are getting at least that

 

[playahaitian]

With that logic the people being interviewed should be paid. From my understanding, that's not how it traditional works.

If they were formal employees or contractors, they should have gotten paid per their agreements. It's fuck up, but that's the reality of the world. You can't claim to be helping your friends and then cry about never being paid especially if you never asked to be paid. I don't know if it's legally changed, but let's not act as though unpaid internships, apprenticeship or volunteer work doesn't exist. I'm not saying that is what they were doing. My point is be upfront about being fairly compensated if that is what you are looking for. I honestly believe most people are not going to do the right thing especially if you're talking about real money. People will bearly give you gas money, money for watching their kid or help move furniture.



The reality is you get what you accept or what someone believes your role is worth. From their own mouths they were initially fine with being compensated with potential brand recognition. Being on Math's platform was a good look that they hoped would translate to value on their show. They were technically being compensated with what they initially wanted. Then they asked to be compensated in cash. Obviously, Math never paid all the cash for whatever reason.

Vlad pays his guests many different ways to pay

or it's a favor for favor

Some cases?

The guest PAYS to be featured on the platform

 

[keone]

Wait was Math at Bigga anniversary or something?

im tellin u they were real friends
thats what makes math look bad
hy and esso were industry friends

 

[REDLINE]

With that logic the people being interviewed should be paid. From my understanding, that's not how it traditional works.

If they were formal employees or contractors, they should have gotten paid per their agreements. It's fuck up, but that's the reality of the world. You can't claim to be helping your friends and then cry about never being paid especially if you never asked to be paid. I don't know if it's legally changed, but let's not act as though unpaid internships, apprenticeship or volunteer work doesn't exist. I'm not saying that is what they were doing. My point is be upfront about being fairly compensated if that is what you are looking for. I honestly believe most people are not going to do the right thing especially if you're talking about real money. People will bearly give you gas money, money for watching their kid or help move furniture.



The reality is you get what you accept or what someone believes your role is worth. From their own mouths they were initially fine with being compensated with potential brand recognition. Being on Math's platform was a good look that they hoped would translate to value on their show. They were technically being compensated with what they initially wanted. Then they asked to be compensated in cash. Obviously, Math never paid all the cash for whatever reason.

I said “Worked”, not a guest being interviewed.

However with YouTube many platforms do pay their guests, right no I don’t think that MEO does that.

Boosie mentioned that Vlad paid or pays him 40k for an interview because they generate millions of views.

 

[keone]

I liked Bigga and he should of just offered to pay him something cause he was just his friend,even if it was free promotion for his security company.

Esso or whatever is a loud mouth that talks about "What he brings to the table","His connections" motherfucker no one knew who you was before Math's show just like they really don't know what you do now talking about being friends with DJ Clue....Clue.....Clue....Clue that does nothing for you now.

Hynikan or whatever,pay him

nah esso has managed big time producers and artists
he still has a podcast with dj clue
he was brining in a lot of guests

esso the most connected out of alll of them
u want somebody like him specially if the podcast is new

Ear Pollution

The iconic DJ Clue & media influencer Es$o come together after 20-years of friendship to have conversations with the highest level of world famous talents.

www.youtube.com

 

[keone]

Vlad pays his guests many different pay

or it's a favor for favor

Some cases?

The guest PAYS to be featured on the platform

he started paying after he won that lawsuit
but that was for the bigga guests
now he pays everybody that is somebody
cause people dont want to do his shows really

 

[playahaitian]

im tellin u they were real friends
thats what makes math look bad
hy and esso were industry friends

I really don't want to talk about this anymore cause hearing that speech?

Giving that type of speech myself?

My brother giving that speech to me and mines?

Messes with my heart.

F*ck money

I refuse to lose that bond over some paper.

Can't do it.

I don't know who lying or not. Honestly I don't believe any of them. Cause both sides made serious bad decisions which they are now trying to make excuses for.

I hate to say no friends and business but I guess there is some truth to it but I never had that issue. If the relationship is REAL I just walk away and rather preserve THAT.

if I do that bgol podcast I'm going in on some 3 way split day one and till the last day. Nothing complicated we invest together, once the money come in? We all together.

if someone don't want to do it no more ok cool. I'd probably still make sure they see a cut for a few more cycles just off gp.

 

[playahaitian]

he started paying after he won that lawsuit
but that was for the bigga guests
now he pays everybody that is somebody
cause people dont want to do his shows really

If you REALLY didn't want to something?

And a check can make you sell your integrity?

I don't want to know you.

 

[keone]

I really don't want to talk about this anymore cause hearing that speech?

Giving that type of speech myself?

My brother giving that speech to me and mines?

Messes with my heart.

F*ck money

I refuse to lose that bond over some paper.

Can't do it.

I don't know who lying or not. Honestly I don't believe any of them. Cause both sides made serious bad decisions which they are now trying to make excuses for.

I hate to say no friends and business but I guess there is some truth to it but I never had that issue. If the relationship is REAL I just walk away and rather preserve THAT.

if I do that bgol podcast I'm going in on some 3 way split day one and till the last day. Nothing complicated we invest together, once the money come in? We all together.

if someone don't want to do it no more ok cool. I'd probably still make sure they see a cut for a few more cycles just off gp.

u right and thats the issue
now that i think about whenever there was a promo
u would only see math in the pictures
that can make u think too
i was surprised they all went to drink champ interview

 

[guyver]

Vlad pays his guests many different pay

or it's a favor for favor

Some cases?

The guest PAYS to be featured on the platform

I know about vlad, but he's one of the exception to the rules. Even then, does he do it with every guest now? I was honestly thinking of anyone being interviewed regardless of the media platform tv, radio, podcast or magazine.

I always assumed most interviews are unpaid. The person being interviewed gets to market their product or tell their version of a story. The interviewer gets people to tune in or read especially if it's an exclusive. It just good marketing for both. Plus how would that work in radio with artists. I'd think paying for interviews would be to close to payola.

 

[keone]

If you REALLY didn't want to something?

And a check can make you sell your integrity?

I don't want to know you.

thats the industry for u
people dont like vlad but business is business
they are not doing it for free
remember a lot of people didnt want to go to the bfc cause of lenard

 

[34real]

nah esso has managed big time producers and artists
he still has a podcast with dj clue
he was brining in a lot of guests

esso the most connected out of alll of them
u want somebody like him specially if the podcast is new

Ear Pollution

The iconic DJ Clue & media influencer Es$o come together after 20-years of friendship to have conversations with the highest level of world famous talents.

www.youtube.com

I don't care, it says Math Hoffa My expert Opinion,it doesn't say Esso Expert connections.

If he was so well connected he would of had his own shit instead of talking about Math damn near a year later and he's counting someone else's number(money).

He wasn't a good fit he talks to fucking much.

Math's show is still rolling and he could keep it like it is.....The Ice Cube of NWA

 

[REDLINE]

I really don't want to talk about this anymore cause hearing that speech?

Giving that type of speech myself?

My brother giving that speech to me and mines?

Messes with my heart.

F*ck money

I refuse to lose that bond over some paper.

Can't do it.

I don't know who lying or not. Honestly I don't believe any of them. Cause both sides made serious bad decisions which they are now trying to make excuses for.

I hate to say no friends and business but I guess there is some truth to it but I never had that issue. If the relationship is REAL I just walk away and rather preserve THAT.

if I do that bgol podcast I'm going in on some 3 way split day one and till the last day. Nothing complicated we invest together, once the money come in? We all together.

if someone don't want to do it no more ok cool. I'd probably still make sure they see a cut for a few more cycles just off gp.

It's deep, but it's really not.

The fact of the matter whether there was a contract or not.

You can't show up with thousand dollar shoes, two thousand dollars sweaters, diamond pendants on your chain and a diamond Rolex and not pay people anything.

It's not about money, it's about pride and respect.

If you love your Brothers, the. You treat your Brothers accordingly and that's with respect.

Esso estimated that the show made 200k a month.

200k a month an nobody get nothing?

Their relationship didn't and over money, it ended because someone's a piece of shit.

 

[keone]

I don't care, it says Math Hoffa My expert Opinion,it doesn't say Esso Expert connections.

If he was so well connected he would of had his own shit instead of talking about Math damn near a year later and he's counting someone else's number(money).

He wasn't a good fit he talks to fucking much.

Math's show is still rolling and he could keep it like it is.....The Ice Cube of NWA

bro seriously what are u saying?
so that means his network doesnt mean sht?
if u dont like dude say that but to downplay his role come on man

also he does have his own shit he has two shows
u said his connection clue does nothing for him when they have a show together

 

[playahaitian]

u right and thats the issue
now that i think about whenever there was a promo
u would only see math in the pictures
that can make u think too
i was surprised they all went to drink champ interview

That's what I mean being friends don't mean being deaf dumb and blind

They have to take some personal responsibility ALL OF THEM.

Me and mines don't move like that.

Let me get personal cause the Bigga thing hurt my heart.

when my mom died I had friends and family I ain't spoken to in years you know due to life or just dumb old beef

And they BEGGED me to take the funeral money I said no, people got mad. They took it like disrespect and I still held a grudge. It wasn't. I was embarrassed. Not about the money. But the generosity. That was the gift not the money. It was overwhelming. They were going into 401k to give my mom a proper send off. That was not about money it was about love.

My point is if I know (or believe I know your heart) everything is everything. We good. We will figure it all out later.

But friendship means not suffering in silence. If you can't work free be honest. And don't do it. Can't blame another man for that. Now he don't pay you after he said he would? He your friend? Forgive him and we can't work together no more. No beef.

It's money. It's business.

Trust me I've been played we ALL have. Many dudes I'm still cool with and joke about it

but they will get my time energy or money ever again.

And I know it hurts them but even after paying me back? Nah can't do business. But we can go to this cookout and watch the game after.