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Hidden History: Slave breeding in the United States
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You don't have to read about it to know how and why it was a common practice we were property....not even pets, yet even if we where cows (property) or a dog (pet) what do you do to either to increase the lining of your pockets? I'm going to go eat a sandwich now before I get myself heated.
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they will always down play what was done to us, always; because if they truly acknowledge they continue abuse, from all sorts of horrific things they did, there would be no denying us countless of reparations....
This is on point.
I have a friend who was 6'6 and 320 when he was 22. Went to the NFL combine and ran a 4.5 40. Freak of nature. He currently have three kids. One is 5'11 and plays for the Steelers as a blocking fullback. 4 time All-Mac defensive tackle. His other son played at Michigan St. and is currently in the NFL also. Don't know the team at this time but he is 6'5 defensive lineman. The third son plays basketball at University of Pittsburgh. He is 7'0. They all were by different women.
I don't care what anyone states, someone 5'9 with no athletic ability is not producing those types of kids. The common denominator is the father and his genetics. It can be said they made it to that level because of hard work which is true. But there is one thing you can't teach is size and athleticism.
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Great thread.
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Anyone who doesn't agree with this is an idiot. My Pops raises cattle. I've dabbled in it myself. When you buy a bull you look for one with certain traits. Long straight back with hips on him. Certain head shakes to help with birthing. Also want one with some height on him with big scrotal size to bread. Also it's traits you look for in the female cow. Heck registered cattle have epd data telling you all this. Idk why folks don't think slave masters wouldn't do this with slaves. Slaves were the same as cattle during those times. Heck slaves were worth more than cattle back then and now. In 2016 if you converted what it cost to buy a slave a person would be sound 20k while a cow costs less than a grand.
slave breeding may have happened but that whole connection to sports excellence is bullshit and an insult. Two healthy people getting together will produce a....healthy child thats about all.
If it were that simple then other civilizations long ago would have been doing it to raise super soldiers or brilliant scientists. Going back the egyptians, phoenicians hell the sumarians would have figured that shit out...they can create structures that would last centuries yet not come up with a way to breed a better human being?? Shit the nazis were actively trying to create a perfect race at no point did they say lets just breed big strapping Hans to big strapping Olga. So to say that some rednecks in south carolina were able to achieve thru basic animal husbandry what brilliant scientific people before and after them couldn't do is just ridiculous.
but lets reverse it..if forced slave breeding is responsible for elite black athletes today..
whats responsible for elite white athletes??
what forced manipulation process did Michael Phelps ancestors have to endure for him to win 7 gold medals??? AND this nigga's a pot head...
White athletic excellence = hard work and genetic luck of the draw
Black athletic excellence = slave breeding because
these assholes great grand parents made it happen.
this is what we're talking about??
actually white supremacists make the claim that because of breeding and genetics blacks have lower IQs than whites and asians...do you REALLY want to cosign that bullshit...thats the main problem with breeding..you can use it to justify positives and negatives depending on how you want to spin it.
Yea the myth of the superior black athlete based off of slave breeding is a myth. If it were true, Brasil should have the best athletes in every sport on the planet based purely on the fact of them having the most slaves during slavery. They definitely would have the best track stars if the breeding concept were true. Also, slavery in America ended in 1865. Blacks didn't really come to dominate sports nationwide really until the 80s and 90s. That's a 100 year plus span of no "slave breeding". How is it that in that period of time blacks still were able to prosper without the so called "slave breeding"?
I'll tell you how. THEY WORKED FOR IT. Fuck that horseshit reasoning that white people are the reason cats dominate in their craft. Brothers and Sisters worked their asses off to get to where they are.
Blacks haven't been playing mainstream American sports in white leagues that long. Back when baseball had the Negro leagues who the duck do you think were the better ball players? Why do you think whites are holding on to baseball ? If we get back to playing it like we used to Blacks will dominate it too. No damn Babe Ruth wasn't the best home run hitter. Folks forget about Hank Aaron.
1. Brazil was not run by the British or American systems - unlike say- Jamaica
2. talent without work gets nowhere - track like football tennis etc require an investment in time and capital to develop a pro level athlete... Brazil doesn't spend money on its programs outside of soccer / football to the level that 1st world countries do.
If every country in the caribbean was funded like the US in sports- guess what the olympics would look like
3. breeding is only responsible for certain genetic tendencies- some are advantages (bone and muscle density, fast twitch and resilience etc) others are disadvantages (sickle cell, diabetes, heart disease etc) that's it.... it doesn't marginalize or explain away individual achievement.
https://urbanimagemagazine.com/breaking-the-buck/
Kings and Queens,
Have you ever heard of “Breaking the Buck”? I recently became aware of this and I was devastated to find out the meaning of this term. As you know “I AM A VOICE”, therefore, it is my duty to make you aware of this information.
Back in slavery times, the slave master used ‘Breaking the Buck” to control the black man and keep him and the rest of the slaves submissive, lessening the chances of them rising up. The process known as “breaking the buck”, involves perhaps the most heinous and horrifyingly wicked acts known to man. The unruly Negro slave was beaten with a whip until he was bloody while the entire assembly of his fellow slaves watched. Once the slave was worn down, the white master had the other Negro slaves force him over a tree stump removing his pants leaving him fully exposed, in the most humiliating and compromising position. Next, the master removed his own clothing and proceeded to brutally rape the buck in front his wife, family, friends and children. He then invited his friends from the other plantations to come and partake in these “****** Festivities”.
To ensure that his message was received loud and clear, the master required the buck’s male child to watch, front row and center. This was so that he too can witness these forcefully demeaning sexual acts rendered upon his father and intensify the humiliation. “Buck breaking” kept all young black slaves from rising up and taking revenge. It also kept the women from ever giving consent to an uprising. This inhumane event was so successful that it was made into a “Sex Farm” where white men could travel from plantation to plantation feeding their homosexual, and sadistic need to dominate the black man.
They would like us to just forget about all the wrongs that have been done to our ancestors and black people for centuries. They think we should just sweep it under the rug, pound it up, move on and act like these heinous things never happened. That is not going to happen, our black men are still being treated as less than human to this very day. The police shoot unarmed black men down in the street daily, like animals, with no repercussions. Pay attention family, and don’t get it twisted, white supremacist police are the new slave masters.
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/10/17/buck-breaking/
Kings and Queens,
Have you ever heard of “Breaking the Buck”? I recently became aware of this and I was devastated to find out the meaning of this term. As you know “I AM A VOICE”, therefore, it is my duty to make you aware of this information.
Back in slavery times, the slave master used ‘Breaking the Buck” to control the black man and keep him and the rest of the slaves submissive, lessening the chances of them rising up. The process known as “breaking the buck”, involves perhaps the most heinous and horrifyingly wicked acts known to man. The unruly Negro slave was beaten with a whip until he was bloody while the entire assembly of his fellow slaves watched. Once the slave was worn down, the white master had the other Negro slaves force him over a tree stump removing his pants leaving him fully exposed, in the most humiliating and compromising position. Next, the master removed his own clothing and proceeded to brutally rape the buck in front his wife, family, friends and children. He then invited his friends from the other plantations to come and partake in these “****** Festivities”.
To ensure that his message was received loud and clear, the master required the buck’s male child to watch, front row and center. This was so that he too can witness these forcefully demeaning sexual acts rendered upon his father and intensify the humiliation. “Buck breaking” kept all young black slaves from rising up and taking revenge. It also kept the women from ever giving consent to an uprising. This inhumane event was so successful that it was made into a “Sex Farm” where white men could travel from plantation to plantation feeding their homosexual, and sadistic need to dominate the black man.
They would like us to just forget about all the wrongs that have been done to our ancestors and black people for centuries. They think we should just sweep it under the rug, pound it up, move on and act like these heinous things never happened. That is not going to happen, our black men are still being treated as less than human to this very day. The police shoot unarmed black men down in the street daily, like animals, with no repercussions. Pay attention family, and don’t get it twisted, white supremacist police are the new slave masters.
http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/10/17/buck-breaking/
for some of ya'll still calling for proof...
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/enslavement/text6/masterslavesexualabuse.pdf
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/enslavement/text6/masterslavesexualabuse.pdf
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Did you know that during slavery the slave holders would buy male slaves to engage in forced homosexual sex acts?
Written by TEAM RasTafari in Alerts – Activism & Hue-man Rights, News & LifeStyle – Light & Peace, Roots & Culture
These male slaves were purchase based entirely on the prerequisite of them possessing a large penis. Black men were routinely raped by their gay slave owners. The process was known as “breaking the buck.”buck breaking sex farms
It involves a strapping Negro slave, who was defiant, was beaten with a whip till bloody in front of his entire slave congregation. The slave owner would cut down a tree and, with the help of the overseer, would then pummel the deviant “buck” into submission. Once the slave was worn down, the master had the other Negro slaves force him over the tree stump where his britches would be removed and he laid fully exposed buttocks, he would remove his own clothing and proceeded to savagely sodomize the buck in front his wife, family, friends, and children.
“Homosexuality” & Slavery: The History of Black Homosexuality in America
In order for his plan to take effect, he would require the buck’s male child to watch, front row center, so he too can witness his father’s sexual demise and humiliation. Buck Breaking was the slave master’s very effective tool to keep all young black slaves from ever being defiant and taking revenge. It also frightened the mother’s and wives from ever giving consent to an uprising. Buck Breaking was so successful that it was made into a “Sex Farm” where slave master could travel from plantation to plantation feeding their sadistic, homosexual needs.
The fertility of enslaved women was examined by owners to make sure they were able to birth as many children as possible. Secretly, slave owners would impregnate enslaved women and when the child was born and grew to an age where he could work on the fields, they would take the “very same children (of their) own blood and make slaves out of them,” as pointed out in the National Humanities Center Resource Toolbox on Slaveholders’ Sexual Abuse of Slaves.
It was common for the slave to be subordinated sexually to the master–even men with enslaved males. It was part of the enslaved man’s function as an “animated tool,” an instrument of pleasure.
When enslaved males turned 15 years old–and younger in some cases–they had their first inspection. Boys who were under-developed, had their testicles castrated and sent to the market or used on the farm. Each enslaved male was expected to get 12 females pregnant a year. The men were used for breeding for five years. One enslaved man name Burt produced more than 200 offspring, according to the Slave Narratives.
To combat the high rate of death among the enslaved, plantation owners demanded females start having children at 13. By 20, the enslaved women would be expected to have four or five children. As an inducement, plantation owners promised freedom for enslaved female once she bore 15 children, according to Slavery in the United States by John Simkin.
If the enslaved woman was considered “pretty,” she would be bought by plantation owner and given special treatment in the house, but often subjected to horrifying cruelty by the master’s wife, including the beheading of a child because he was the product of a enslaved-master affair.
Often, the plantation owner would entertain his friends by forcing the enslaved Blacks to have orgies–multiple pairings having sex in front of them. And the white men often would participate in the debauchery.
Source: http://rastafari.tv/sex-farms-slavery-effimization-black-men/
You so gay
Blacks still currently dominate baseball. They just happen to be from Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.
That's all bullshit. I cannot believe people still believe that black slave descendents gained beneficial genetics from slave breeding. Like it's insane that you actually believe this. And according to the slave breeding logic, the fastest man and woman on the planet should "genetically" be from Brasil based on the largest amount of slaves shipped there.
In reality, black people who are great at athletics is imho 95% effort and hard work, 4% pure talent, and maybe 1% genetic when you're discussing a freak of nature athlete (Usain Bolt, Lebron James, Ronaldo, etc.,).
As for the sickle cell, diabetes, and heart disease, none of that is due to slave breeding. Sickle cell is a hereditary trait resistant to malaria. Malaria is prevalent in Tropical climates like West Africa for example. There are Africans with no slave ancestry that have sickle cell and the sickle cell trait. Diabetes and Heart Disease are mainly due to external factors such as Poor Diet, Lack of Exercise, and Heavy Stress. Once again, you have instances of both diseases being prevalent currently among some middle class/upper class communities in Africa and Asia that follow western diets and lifestyles (fast food, large amounts of salt, fat, and sugar, and little to no exercise. Neither group were bred as slaves.
Please stop spreading this slave breeding nonsense. It gives credit to white savages who did nothing but rape, pillage, and annihilate millions across the world for centuries.
its not insane - its sounds ugly but its history, medical science and genetics.
I suggest you read the thread - but failing that you can start with these posts I quoted
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granted the sickle cell is not more prevalent due to selective breeding... as for the rest - consider: poor whites in US have similar environment and out number blacks - they also have similar eating habits to poor blacks in rural and urban settings but they experience hypertension heart disease and diabetes at much lower rates
logically - if what you and other denialists say is true and genetics plays no part then whites would succumb at higher rates per capita or similar to blacks.
Every study for diabetes I've read compares Western /Sub-Saharan African rates to US rates not African Americans
You are late to the argument - I know it feels bad to think of what was done to us, but again I suggest you read this thread.
As I said before in the thread- I'm not giving credit - Its an indictment.
We always had superior genetics we were on this planet for God knows how long, and just
a few hundred years is supposed to permanently alter our genes... silly notion..
the germans should be world class athletes they way they were breeded during the age of hitler...
and during chattel slavery days, there was way more rape going on that this "breeding"
and since europeans are faggots by nature, you KNOW they were raping just as many young men and boys as they were young ladies and children...
Lets not ignore those FACTS!!!!
Exactly way more "buck breaking" than "breeding"
we were genetically superior before chattel slavery, we are genetically superior after it...
just a damn shame so many of us allow our minds to think otherwise...
The overall number of American Blacks in baseball is low. Back in the day Baby Boomer Blacks played baseball. AT most inner city schools the baseball programs have been shut down. If American Blacks got back into the sport the Majors would look totally different.
So American Blacks are somehow different than Black people from other countries when it comes to Baseball?
C'mon now. Blacks in this country might not play baseball as much as before, but it isn't like black people aren't playing at all. From the looks of it black people from the Caribbean do pretty well.
I never said genetics don't play a part in disease. I said that slave breeding is not the main culprit of high rates of diabetes and heart disease in the community.
And it has nothing to do with feeling bad about the practice of slave breeding. Slave breeding definitely was a real thing. Very inhumane and barbaric. But there isn't any real evidence that directly correlates Black athletes in sports from the last 30-50 years with slave breeding.
Prime Example: The Greek Freak Giannis Antetokounmpo is 7 ft playing point guard in the NBA. Now he's a supreme athlete. 100% Nigerian. No slave ancestry that I know of. What is to explain for his athleticism?
There are PLENTY of Nigerians in the NFL. Big Strong and Fast as hell too. Again, no slave ancestry to speak of. How is it that they perform well in the NFL with all these "slave bred" descendants?
I will say it again. Please refrain from spreading this slave breeding nonsense as the reason black people are prevalent in sports in America.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ounmpo&usg=AFQjCNFioX5-EgzysGtu46mHbLc6u9GJ6g
We are 13% of the population and 70% of NFL players are black. Hmmm makes perfect sense.
322,000,000 people live in the United States....
322,000,000 people live in the United States....
Did you know that there is a much higher concentration of fast-twitch muscle fibers (and Actinen A) (+/- 70%) in populations of North American and Caribbean slave descendants than any other group?
How did that happen?
Dude there are genetic freaks of all races - from all places - Yao Ming is a big fast great athlete... but no one in their right mind is going to use him to argue that a lot of Chinese people will dominate any sport. Dikembe Mutumbo (not that fast but very athletic), Hakeem Olajuwon (very fast) etc etc are all exceptions not the norm - Elite athletes are all exceptions, but slave descendants just happen have a much higher occurrence of exceptions than any other group.
How much money is spent scouting and developing athletic talent anywhere in the world vs the money spent in Central America, Caribbean, and Southern US?
There are a good number of Nigerians in the NFL and NBA, there are white Americans too... but they are a minority compared to athletes born of North American and Caribbean slave decendants
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