Hidden History: Slave breeding in the United States

[muckraker10021]

yes, Geech, you can... its established fact at this point. Thats exactly how genetics works but its far from 100%

For offspring the odds increase in favor of known parental traits, and they increase exponentially if they are DOMINANT traits - why do you think Drs ask if any of your parents or grandparents had heart conditions, diabetes, hyper tension, addictions etc etc.... ancestral traits tilt the odds- they increase the predisposition for off spring to have same ailments physical attributes, intelligence, etc...

Even if Obama's youngest doesn't pass 5'10 she will still be taller than the norm for women of any race... so there is no outlier there it is reasonably expected.

Humans aren't born hardwired to do anything... but its possible for one to breed offspring with high probability for high functioning intelligence (fast learning and memory) above average hand eye coordination, greater predisposition for high bone and muscle density (strength & durability) which was highly desired not only for field work but because slaves also had a very high mortality rate.
If two people with these traits have kids there is a good chance at least 3 of 5 (60%) will get most if not all of the desired traits...

Don't get stuck on us having white etc blood... A majority of African traits are DOMINANT, its why most mixed race kids color closer to the darker parent, and almost never color as light as or lighter than the lighter parent... Even worse for your argument - ONLY THE STRONGEST OF US SURVIVED THE VOYAGE HERE... it was an unintended culling, but it resulted in exceptionally strong stock as a starting point. Throw in a slave penal colony in Jamaica and government sponsored financial rewards for increased slave full term pregnancies in the Caribbean and active eugenics in Barbuda / Barbados.... guess what? even with massa and slave master having a kid or 3 with a slave it was common for a slave to still have 10 or more babies with other slaves.

As for slave education... just stop... you have no clue about the economy or training. Skilled labor like carpentry to blacksmith etc takes approx 10 years of long days to MASTER.... and a slave owner with a proficient to master craftsman generated ALOT of money.
Slavery was a profitable business- they encouraged and fostered anything that derived a profit having quick strong slaves for the field was not the only area of profit.

I'm with you "ViCiouS" . Too many people, some of them well–intentioned, have over the decades attempted to downplay the premeditated systematic hundreds of years of barbarism that was African chattel slavery in the 'Americas' — in the U.S., the Caribbean, and South America.

Those of us who are descendants of Africans who endured this "Whipping Machine"

We are THE SURVIVORS

Scientist now know that the torturous barbarism, horror and trauma that our ancestors endured for hundreds of years has been transmitted genetically to us "The Survivors" ; It's called epigenetics. You can read all about it, use the links below
Epigenetics Explained

Epigenetic Inheritance

The seven minute clip below from the Ken Burn’s “The Civil War” documentary masterpiece, contains more truth about the reality of Black American chattel slavery than the majority of American citizens know. Most Americans of all races, creeds, religions and cultural backgrounds NO NOTHING about the true horrors of the hundreds of years of enslavement of African's in AmeriKKKa. This is why the the reality based movie "12 YEARS A SLAVE" was a revelation to many ignorant Americans who used to talk about "Good" slave masters vs. "Evil" slave masters, as though there is any distinction. This mass ignorance, even among Black American citizens is not accidental; it is premeditated —coordinated by the U.S. educational system and the mass propaganda that informs American history. Reparations?? -most Americans don't even know what the word means. Most Americans don't even know why so-called American Indians are confined to reservations concentration camps, or why their percentage of the overall population is only 2.8%. Americans don't know that the dead president pictured on the $20 dollar bills in their pockets enabled and signed and enacted the "Indian Removal Act" which was no different than Hitler's "final solution" extermination policy against European Jews. 99% of Americans didn't get that course when they 'studied??' - his-story in school, at-any-level, elementary, high school or college. The television series “Roots” depiction of slavery was akin to taking a strong cup of black coffee and turning it into a latte macchiato.​

Narrative from the video above starts @ 1:20-

"....A slave entered the world in a one room dirt floor shack, drafty in winter, reeking in summer. Slave cabins breed typhus, pneumonia, cholera, lockjaw, tuberculosis. A child who survived to be sent to the fields at 12 was likely to have rotten teeth, worms, dysentery, and malaria. Fewer than four slaves out of 100 lived to age sixty. Work began at sunrise and continued 14 hours, unless there was a full moon when the work continued longer...."​

 

[ViCiouS]

I'm with you "ViCiouS" . Too many people, some of them well–intentioned, have over the decades attempted to downplay the premeditated systematic hundreds of years of barbarism that was African chattel slavery in the 'Americas' — in the U.S., the Caribbean, and South America.

Those of us who are descendants of Africans who endured this "Whipping Machine"

We are THE SURVIVORS

Scientist now know that the torturous barbarism, horror and trauma that our ancestors endured for hundreds of years has been transmitted genetically to us "The Survivors" ; It's called epigenetics. You can read all about it, use the links below
Epigenetics Explained

Epigenetic Inheritance

The seven minute clip below from the Ken Burn’s “The Civil War” documentary masterpiece, contains more truth about the reality of Black American chattel slavery than the majority of American citizens know. Most Americans of all races, creeds, religions and cultural backgrounds NO NOTHING about the true horrors of the hundreds of years of enslavement of African's in AmeriKKKa. This is why the the reality based movie "12 YEARS A SLAVE" was a revelation to many ignorant Americans who used to talk about "Good" slave masters vs. "Evil" slave masters, as though there is any distinction. This mass ignorance, even among Black American citizens is not accidental; it is premeditated —coordinated by the U.S. educational system and the mass propaganda that informs American history. Reparations?? -most Americans don't even know what the word means. Most Americans don't even know why so-called American Indians are confined to reservations concentration camps, or why their percentage of the overall population is only 2.8%. Americans don't know that the dead president pictured on the $20 dollar bills in their pockets enabled and signed and enacted the "Indian Removal Act" which was no different than Hitler's "final solution" extermination policy against European Jews. 99% of Americans didn't get that course when they 'studied??' - his-story in school, at-any-level, elementary, high school or college. The television series “Roots” depiction of slavery was akin to taking a strong cup of black coffee and turning it into a latte macchiato.​

Narrative from the video above starts @ 1:20-

"....A slave entered the world in a one room dirt floor shack, drafty in winter, reeking in summer. Slave cabins breed typhus, pneumonia, cholera, lockjaw, tuberculosis. A child who survived to be sent to the fields at 12 was likely to have rotten teeth, worms, dysentery, and malaria. Fewer than four slaves out of 100 lived to age sixty. Work began at sunrise and continued 14 hours, unless there was a full moon when the work continued longer...."​

^this all day

 

[Confucius]

yes, Geech, you can... its established fact at this point. Thats exactly how genetics works but its far from 100%

For offspring the odds increase in favor of known parental traits, and they increase exponentially if they are DOMINANT traits - why do you think Drs ask if any of your parents or grandparents had heart conditions, diabetes, hyper tension, addictions etc etc.... ancestral traits tilt the odds- they increase the predisposition for off spring to have same ailments physical attributes, intelligence, etc...

Even if Obama's youngest doesn't pass 5'10 she will still be taller than the norm for women of any race... so there is no outlier there it is reasonably expected.

Humans aren't born hardwired to do anything... but its possible for one to breed offspring with high probability for high functioning intelligence (fast learning and memory) above average hand eye coordination, greater predisposition for high bone and muscle density (strength & durability) which was highly desired not only for field work but because slaves also had a very high mortality rate.
If two people with these traits have kids there is a good chance at least 3 of 5 (60%) will get most if not all of the desired traits...

Don't get stuck on us having white etc blood... A majority of African traits are DOMINANT, its why most mixed race kids color closer to the darker parent, and almost never color as light as or lighter than the lighter parent... Even worse for your argument - ONLY THE STRONGEST OF US SURVIVED THE VOYAGE HERE... it was an unintended culling, but it resulted in exceptionally strong stock as a starting point. Throw in a slave penal colony in Jamaica and government sponsored financial rewards for increased slave full term pregnancies in the Caribbean and active eugenics in Barbuda / Barbados.... guess what? even with massa and slave master having a kid or 3 with a slave it was common for a slave to still have 10 or more babies with other slaves.

As for slave education... just stop... you have no clue about the economy or training. Skilled labor like carpentry to blacksmith etc takes approx 10 years of long days to MASTER.... and a slave owner with a proficient to master craftsman generated ALOT of money.
Slavery was a profitable business- they encouraged and fostered anything that derived a profit having quick strong slaves for the field was not the only area of profit.

if a kid has a black parent and a whit parent, the black will always show because Black is a dominant trait and White is a recessive trait...That is science
many diseases such as sickle cell and hemophilia work the same way.
The only way to have a recessive trait expressed is to have two donors that have the recessive trait as their dominant trait (can be confusing for some)

 

[ViCiouS]

if a kid has a black parent and a whit parent, the black will always show because Black is a dominant trait and White is a recessive trait...That is science
many diseases such as sickle cell and hemophilia work the same way.
The only way to have a recessive trait expressed is to have two donors that have the recessive trait as their dominant trait (can be confusing for some)

let me add some visuals and bite sized examples...

 

[Confucius]

let me add some visuals and bite sized examples...

geechiedan aint hearing you man...this same topic came up a couple years back and he was talking about how insulting it is to think that selective breeding lead to dominant traits in African Americans...It is really the same as an ostrich sticking his head underground to hide from reality.

My dad broke it down to me when he was in Med school. They would have cadavers and do experiments. My dad told me that when you apply an electrode to black peoples dead muscle, it quivers quicker and harder than whites...also when you do the same to dog muscle, it almost jumps of the table because they have so much fast twitch muscle fiber.
Also, he said the anatomy is different when doing patho slide. take a cross section of muscle from a black athletic vs a white and he swears that the white muscle usually has fats intertwined in the muscle fibras. On the other hand, the black athlete was mostly pure muscle when dissecting the muscle fibras

 

[ViCiouS]

geechiedan aint hearing you man...this same topic came up a couple years back and he was talking about how insulting it is to think that selective breeding lead to dominant traits in African Americans...It is really the same as an ostrich sticking his head underground to hide from reality.

My dad broke it down to me when he was in Med school. They would have cadavers and do experiments. My dad told me that when you apply an electrode to black peoples dead muscle, it quivers quicker and harder than whites...also when you do the same to dog muscle, it almost jumps of the table because they have so much fast twitch muscle fiber.
Also, he said the anatomy is different when doing patho slide. take a cross section of muscle from a black athletic vs a white and he swears that the white muscle usually has fats intertwined in the muscle fibras. On the other hand, the black athlete was mostly pure muscle when dissecting the muscle fibras

like I said before there is so much they hide or don't talk about widely when it comes to us...
I started understanding the real differences while recovering from major skeletal injury and surgery...
everytime I was outside the norm, bone density or fast twitch muscle was being explained to me as the reason by a doctor

 

[Osca Lee]

If forced breeding happened it was to produce more people on the mainland rather than have to keep importing slaves. You guys are talking about active genetic manipulation as if these guys....

understood something no one else in the history of humans walking the planet didn't. You are giving cacs waay too much fuckin credit and power.

And if you guys think that chattel slavery and forcing human beings to do shit against their will didn't exist to that degree before the atlantic slave trade says you know little of human history. There is nothing new under the sun. Again the chinese...the fuckin incas and aztecs (particularly brutal civilizations mind you) how about south africa and the zulus..shaka practiced mfecane (the crushing) but forced breeding never occurred to them? Thats naive.

You keep posting these fucking hillbillies...they didnt own slaves nor could they afford them. It was the wealthy whites who had businesses and farms. According to Du Bois selective breading did take place because he researched and wrote about it and so did black historians. in the book the OP post about they are talking about the records that was kept by the counties and courts because the city government was in the slave breeding business as well.

I read in the book from the actual former slaves accounts the plantations had male studs that was only used for breeding only..that was it. They also had 2 or 3 women just for breeding also..the shit gets deeper and deeper and you read. Just think one dude having 50 kids....with great genetics and those kids have kids and those kids are the grand mothers and grandfathers of our grand parents. They lived and ate better than the regular slaves and worked them to keep them in shape..this was the start of human engineering. Slaves telling it straight..saying 1 stud would get 4 women to get pregnant at he same time and those are the only women he could have children with. One plantation stud got mad after they was set free because on masters plantation he had 3 wives and when he was set free they only let him take one....the fucked up part are the stories they tell of when the studs get old and get replaced...they did them like animals. women talking about they had no clue who the fathers are they had so many by so many diff men. Think bout how fucked up that is

reading this shit makes me question why my grandfather and my grandmother had 21 kids

 

[Confucius]

like I said before there is so much they hide or don't talk about widely when it comes to us...
I started understanding the real differences while recovering from major skeletal injury and surgery...
everytime I was outside the norm, bone density or fast twitch muscle was being explained to me as the reason by a doctor

just like when dealing with neonates/premies, any doctor will tell you the order of strength and chance of survival when born premature is in this order:
black females
black male
white female
white male
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/6/20060106-125034-4422r/?page=all
http://minorities.affordablehealthi...ack-baby-girls-have-better-survival-rate.html
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/01/26/15653.aspx
http://news.ufl.edu/archive/2006/01...-likely-to-live-when-born-very-premature.html

the funny thing is that the white male is weaker and has less chance of surviving than the white girl

the naysayers are fucking liars.
Our race is superior physically and mentally.
we have just been brainwashed over generations to believe otherwise.

 

[ViCiouS]

just like when deling with neonates/premies, any doctor will tell you the order of strength and chance of survival when born premature is in this order:
black females
black male
white female
white male
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/6/20060106-125034-4422r/?page=all
http://minorities.affordablehealthi...ack-baby-girls-have-better-survival-rate.html
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/01/26/15653.aspx
http://news.ufl.edu/archive/2006/01...-likely-to-live-when-born-very-premature.html

the funny thing is that the white male is weaker and has less chance of surviving than the white girl

the naysayers are fucking liars.
Our race is superior physically and mentally.
we have just been brainwashed over generations to believe otherwise.

the whole world has been taught to believe we are inferior - thanks to athletics they can't lie about the physical anymore - but they still cling to and fervently promote blacks globally as intellectually challenged and black americans as amoral recidivists -

 

[#blacklivesmatter]

Slave breeding in the United States

Slave breeding in the United States were those practices of slave ownership that aimed to influence the reproduction of slaves in order to increase the wealth of slaveholders.[1]

Slave breeding included coerced sexual relations between male and female slaves, promoting pregnancies of slaves, sexual relations between master and slave with the aim of producing slave children, and favoring female slaves who produced a relatively large number of children.[1]

The purpose of slave breeding was to produce new slaves without incurring the cost of purchase, to fill labor shortages caused by the termination of the Atlantic slave trade, and to attempt to improve the health and productivity of slaves. Engel and Fogerman (1995) found little evidence of slave breeding, but acknowledged that slaveholders wanted to encourage the birth of healthy slave children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States​

Bump

 

[geechiedan]

yes, Geech, you can... its established fact at this point. Thats exactly how genetics works but its far from 100%

For offspring the odds increase in favor of known parental traits, and they increase exponentially if they are DOMINANT traits - why do you think Drs ask if any of your parents or grandparents had heart conditions, diabetes, hyper tension, addictions etc etc.... ancestral traits tilt the odds- they increase the predisposition for off spring to have same ailments physical attributes, intelligence, etc...

Even if Obama's youngest doesn't pass 5'10 she will still be taller than the norm for women of any race... so there is no outlier there it is reasonably expected.

Humans aren't born hardwired to do anything... but its possible for one to breed offspring with high probability for high functioning intelligence (fast learning and memory) above average hand eye coordination, greater predisposition for high bone and muscle density (strength & durability) which was highly desired not only for field work but because slaves also had a very high mortality rate.
If two people with these traits have kids there is a good chance at least 3 of 5 (60%) will get most if not all of the desired traits...

Don't get stuck on us having white etc blood... A majority of African traits are DOMINANT, its why most mixed race kids color closer to the darker parent, and almost never color as light as or lighter than the lighter parent... Even worse for your argument - ONLY THE STRONGEST OF US SURVIVED THE VOYAGE HERE... it was an unintended culling, but it resulted in exceptionally strong stock as a starting point. Throw in a slave penal colony in Jamaica and government sponsored financial rewards for increased slave full term pregnancies in the Caribbean and active eugenics in Barbuda / Barbados.... guess what? even with massa and slave master having a kid or 3 with a slave it was common for a slave to still have 10 or more babies with other slaves.

As for slave education... just stop... you have no clue about the economy or training. Skilled labor like carpentry to blacksmith etc takes approx 10 years of long days to MASTER.... and a slave owner with a proficient to master craftsman generated ALOT of money.
Slavery was a profitable business- they encouraged and fostered anything that derived a profit having quick strong slaves for the field was not the only area of profit.

far from 100% and unintended are the key words here...the middle passage was dangerous primarily due to extremely unsanitary conditions if thats the case the survivors of europe's black plague are a heartier stock today because of that episode and the trail of tears made native americans stronger.

If there was some genetic benefits that the descendants of slaves it came from the whole culture of the institution itself. You admit that much.. the idea of breeding had more to do with it being cheaper to create stock than import it. That much we agree on. That other stuff about breeding for specific traits is just plain bullshit since you wouldn't noticeably see a difference for a few generations which would be outside of the average lifespan of the owner at that time also breeding for specific traits for the long term means little for people who are trying to make money short term.

Also your cherry picking what you want and what feels good to you. Slave owners raped female slaves at will yet their genetic input has no effect because of course everything about whites is recessive and has no positive effect at all even tho statistically MOST black americans have significant european input in our genealogy.

if a kid has a black parent and a whit parent, the black will always show because Black is a dominant trait and White is a recessive trait...That is science
many diseases such as sickle cell and hemophilia work the same way.
The only way to have a recessive trait expressed is to have two donors that have the recessive trait as their dominant trait (can be confusing for some)

yep because this guy looks like 100% mandinka down to the broad nose and brown eyes or is it yoruba tribe?

 

[Confucius]

far from 100% and unintended are the key words here...the middle passage was dangerous primarily due to extremely unsanitary conditions if thats the case the survivors of europe's black plague are a heartier stock today because of that episode and the trail of tears made native americans stronger.

If there was some genetic benefits that the descendants of slaves it came from the whole culture of the institution itself. You admit that much.. the idea of breeding had more to do with it being cheaper to create stock than import it. That much we agree on. That other stuff about breeding for specific traits is just plain bullshit since you wouldn't noticeably see a difference for a few generations which would be outside of the average lifespan of the owner at that time also breeding for specific traits for the long term means little for people who are trying to make money short term.

Also your cherry picking what you want and what feels good to you. Slave owners raped female slaves at will yet their genetic input has no effect because of course everything about whites is recessive and has no positive effect at all even tho statistically MOST black americans have significant european input in our genealogy.


yep because this guy looks like 100% mandinka down to the broad nose and brown eyes or is it yoruba tribe?

you dont see the big picture

man his dad is fair skinned...whats your point? Science backs my theory. To have recessive traits you need to parents with recessive traits as dominant...

 

[geechiedan]

http://www.athletespeakers.com/upload/images/speakers/1464/267x267_Screen shot 2015-03-23 at 11.08.03 AM.png

you dont see the big picture

man his dad is fair skinned...whats your point? Science backs my theory. To have recessive traits you need to parents with recessive traits as dominant...

the bug picture is ANY physical attributes the curry family may exhibit has to do with a line that traces back to those regions in Africa. That folks in West Africa are to an extent in cultures that promotes physicality. And with much of the region at that time only a few generations from, or still in a hunter/gatherer society the need for physical endurance played a bigger role in their day to day life. Those traits translate into a statistical edge is sports. The brutal nature of chattel slavery in and of itself further shaped the physical traits of american blacks (including a healthy injection of european dna).

But thats only a small factor in that mans life and development. A bigger factor is steph currys hard work and dedication to be the best at what he does.

 

[CORNBREAD]

Bookmarked

 

[CORNBREAD]

I may have to watch the ending of Diango after reading and watching the vids !!!

 

[sharkbait28]

I haven't really read this thread but it's never stopped me from commenting before
Title reeks of biological determinism. I don't really buy it. There's a flip side to this notion of being "bred" for strentgh etc (like so many dogs).... the other edge to this sword being that our collective IQ is lower due to the same "breeding".
Nah. Race is more or less a social construct, let's stop perpetuating the mythology that served as the rationale for the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade in the first place.

 

[Confucius]

I haven't really read this thread but it's never stopped me from commenting before
Title reeks of biological determinism. I don't really buy it. There's a flip side to this notion of being "bred" for strentgh etc (like so many dogs).... the other edge to this sword being that our collective IQ is lower due to the same "breeding".
Nah. Race is more or less a social construct, let's stop perpetuating the mythology that served as the rationale for the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade in the first place.

Dude, we are more similar to dogs and other mammals than you may think. If you can successfully selectively breed a dog, why not humans?

 

[sharkbait28]

Dude, we are more similar to dogs and other mammals than you may think. If you can successfully selectively breed a dog, why not humans?

We're not dogs bro! We're something more. Biological determinism strips human beings of the one thing that makes us human... our agency. YOU are who you are due to a specific set of circumstances and your day to day reactions to said circumstances. This notion that we're just acting out a script written into us by our forebearers is total horseshit as far as I'm concerned. I would also take the inverse of the idea that we we were bred for "strength", "athleticism" etc quite seriously because it undergirds the entire "civilizing" mythology CACs have baked into this bullshit system.

 

[Confucius]

We're not dogs bro! We're something more. Biological determinism strips human beings of the one thing that makes us human... our agency. YOU are who you are due to a specific set of circumstances and your day to day reactions to said circumstances. This notion that we're just acting out a script written into us by our forebearers is total horseshit as far as I'm concerned. I would also take the inverse of the idea that we we were bred for "strength", "athleticism" etc quite seriously because it undergirds the entire "civilizing" mythology CACs have baked into this bullshit system.

man i am talking about anatomy...biology...chemistry. I aint talking about no fucking awareness.
look at the humane chromosome and compare it to any animal...almost identical
look at the human embryo and compare it to fish, frogs, dogs, apes...almost identical early during the process. Don't be naive. The only difference between us and animals is CONSCIOUSNESS
It takes sperm and eggs in dogs just like in humans
Selective breeding is real

 

[ViCiouS]

far from 100% and unintended are the key words here...the middle passage was dangerous primarily due to extremely unsanitary conditions if thats the case the survivors of europe's black plague are a heartier stock today because of that episode and the trail of tears made native americans stronger.

If there was some genetic benefits that the descendants of slaves it came from the whole culture of the institution itself. You admit that much.. the idea of breeding had more to do with it being cheaper to create stock than import it. That much we agree on. That other stuff about breeding for specific traits is just plain bullshit since you wouldn't noticeably see a difference for a few generations which would be outside of the average lifespan of the owner at that time also breeding for specific traits for the long term means little for people who are trying to make money short term.

Also your cherry picking what you want and what feels good to you. Slave owners raped female slaves at will yet their genetic input has no effect because of course everything about whites is recessive and has no positive effect at all even tho statistically MOST black americans have significant european input in our genealogy.


yep because this guy looks like 100% mandinka down to the broad nose and brown eyes or is it yoruba tribe?

brother, where is your logic? your arguments lack facts and science!!

you can't argue properly on this subject without an education- YOU are now just saying things cause it feels good or makes sense with your imagination- not your knowledge or grasp of the facts!

Fact check Black plague vs Atlantic slave trade :
1. The black plague was a viral outbreak that lasted less than a decade - less than 1 generation
The Atlantic slave trade on the other hand lasted 4 centuries - how many generations would you say that is? So how can your misguided musing about genetics apply to the plague?

2. Slaves died at sea not from a single viral outbreak but for a combination of reasons:
respiratory infections
stifled because of physical restrictions and poor air quality
long periods without exposure to sunlight caused Vitamin D deficiency
overwhelmed immune systems: infected broken skin wounds from chains,
infected pressure wounds from restricted movement
poor hygiene was the +1

Fact check trail of tears vs slave trade & slavery:
1. The trail of tears -was an event that occurred over a few years involving a population
that equaled less than 15% of the total number slaves brought to the Americas... again less than a single generation. vs almost 5 centuries of slave trade and slavery in the Americas.
How is this a logical comparison or argument?

"That other stuff about breeding for specific traits is just plain bullshit since you wouldn't noticeably see a difference for a few generations which would be outside of the average lifespan of the owner at that time also breeding for specific traits for the long term means little for people who are trying to make money short term."
1 Dude you still don't have the faintest grasp of genetics
2 You still refuse to READ the history- the slave narratives, the plantation and owner records! they were breeding girls from an age they were able carry children- sometimes as young as 13 or 14.
a young owner can raise 6 or 7 generations in his lifetime, but you forget that slavery was used as engine to build or maintain generational wealth.

Also your cherry picking what you want and what feels good to you. Slave owners raped female slaves at will yet their genetic input has no effect because of course everything about whites is recessive and has no positive effect at all even tho statistically MOST black americans have significant european input in our genealogy.

Again- you still don't have a grasp on genetics ... it doesn't matter what your opinion or feeling on this is- you are arguing against observable scientific fact. You want Curry as example, poor choice but it doesn't matter, cause you are observing traits in 1 - but I've argued examples of x out of 100 or x out of 1000.
Look it doesn't matter that whites and blacks intermingled extensively and everyone is a collage of genes from all over - statistically our dominant traits win out many more times than not... for some reason our race's dominant traits also happened to become the common traits

Please, let us continue this argument with logic and facts

 

[sharkbait28]

man i am talking about anatomy...biology...chemistry. I aint talking about no fucking awareness.
look at the humane chromosome and compare it to any animal...almost identical
look at the human embryo and compare it to fish, frogs, dogs, apes...almost identical early during the process. Don't be naive. The only difference between us and animals is CONSCIOUSNESS
It takes sperm and eggs in dogs just like in humans
Selective breeding is real

I rest my case sir. There's a clear difference between us and most animals. If selective human breeding is real will you accept the argument that American black people have been bred for stupidity? Because this is inverse logic of the argument that we've been "bred" for athleticism. I KNOW for a fact that this isn't true, so no amount of deference to 18th century Mendelian biological determinism will convince me otherwise.

 

[geechiedan]

Look it doesn't matter that whites and blacks intermingled extensively and everyone is a collage of genes from all over - statistically our dominant traits win out many more times than not... for some reason our race's dominant traits also happened to become the common traits

Please, let us continue this argument with logic and facts

and all those dominant traits come from africa not slavery.

 

[Confucius]

brother, where is your logic? your arguments lack facts and science!!

you can't argue properly on this subject without an education- YOU are now just saying things cause it feels good or makes sense with your imagination- not your knowledge or grasp of the facts!

Fact check Black plague vs Atlantic slave trade :
1. The black plague was a viral outbreak that lasted less than a decade - less than 1 generation
The Atlantic slave trade on the other hand lasted 4 centuries - how many generations would you say that is? So how can your misguided musing about genetics apply to the plague?

2. Slaves died at sea not from a single viral outbreak but for a combination of reasons:
respiratory infections
stifled because of physical restrictions and poor air quality
long periods without exposure to sunlight caused Vitamin D deficiency
overwhelmed immune systems: infected broken skin wounds from chains,
infected pressure wounds from restricted movement
poor hygiene was the +1

Fact check trail of tears vs slave trade & slavery:
1. The trail of tears -was an event that occurred over a few years involving a population
that equaled less than 15% of the total number slaves brought to the Americas... again less than a single generation. vs almost 5 centuries of slave trade and slavery in the Americas.
How is this a logical comparison or argument?

"That other stuff about breeding for specific traits is just plain bullshit since you wouldn't noticeably see a difference for a few generations which would be outside of the average lifespan of the owner at that time also breeding for specific traits for the long term means little for people who are trying to make money short term."
1 Dude you still don't have the faintest grasp of genetics
2 You still refuse to READ the history- the slave narratives, the plantation and owner records! they were breeding girls from an age they were able carry children- sometimes as young as 13 or 14.
a young owner can raise 6 or 7 generations in his lifetime, but you forget that slavery was used as engine to build or maintain generational wealth.

Also your cherry picking what you want and what feels good to you. Slave owners raped female slaves at will yet their genetic input has no effect because of course everything about whites is recessive and has no positive effect at all even tho statistically MOST black americans have significant european input in our genealogy.

Again- you still don't have a grasp on genetics ... it doesn't matter what your opinion or feeling on this is- you are arguing against observable scientific fact. You want Curry as example, poor choice but it doesn't matter, cause you are observing traits in 1 - but I've argued examples of x out of 100 or x out of 1000.
Look it doesn't matter that whites and blacks intermingled extensively and everyone is a collage of genes from all over - statistically our dominant traits win out many more times than not... for some reason our race's dominant traits also happened to become the common traits

Please, let us continue this argument with logic and facts

 

[Confucius]

I rest my case sir. There's a clear difference between us and most animals. If selective human breeding is real will you accept the argument that American black people have been bred for stupidity? Because this is inverse logic of the argument that we've been "bred" for athleticism. I KNOW for a fact that this isn't true, so no amount of deference to 18th century Mendelian biological determinism will convince me otherwise.

You dont get it...these are things I learned in anatomy classes as well as genetics courses...the examples about the electrodes applied to black vs white vs canine is real and science. you just dont want to accept it. I don't accept the fact that blacks are bred for stupidity because we are not stupid...that is a fallacy set forth by the CAC machine. That is a way to get you to overlook all of the science supporting my stance.
at this point you and geechie sound like fools. It would make me a fool to spend any more energy trying to convince a fool. Good luck

 

[sharkbait28]

You dont get it...these are things I learned in anatomy classes as well as genetics courses...the examples about the electrodes applied to black vs white vs canine is real and science. you just dont want to accept it. I don't accept the fact that blacks are bred for stupidity because we are not stupid...that is a fallacy set forth by the CAC machine. That is a way to get you to overlook all of the science supporting my stance.
at this point you and geechie sound like fools. It would make me a fool to spend any more energy trying to convince a fool. Good luck

Why is it a fallacy? It is infact a logical corollary to the argument you're making. Skip the ad hominem stuff for a sec, I'm not interested enough in this internet shit for it to make a dent in my self esteem dude haha. Explain how it is that American black people have been "bred" for athleticism but NOT for stupidity. You can skip the "appeal to authority" stuff as well.

The sword you're presenting as "fact" has two edges to it.

 

[ViCiouS]

and all those dominant traits come from africa not slavery.

yes...
also over the centuries the "non hearty" dominant traits from africa and europe etc that produced weaker / less hearty offspring did not survive.
the downside to that is many of the dominant "hearty" traits are also attached to hypertension diabetes etc...

 

[geechiedan]

brother, where is your logic? your arguments lack facts and science!!

you can't argue properly on this subject without an education- YOU are now just saying things cause it feels good or makes sense with your imagination- not your knowledge or grasp of the facts!

Fact check Black plague vs Atlantic slave trade :
1. The black plague was a viral outbreak that lasted less than a decade - less than 1 generation
The Atlantic slave trade on the other hand lasted 4 centuries - how many generations would you say that is? So how can your misguided musing about genetics apply to the plague?

2. Slaves died at sea not from a single viral outbreak but for a combination of reasons:
respiratory infections
stifled because of physical restrictions and poor air quality
long periods without exposure to sunlight caused Vitamin D deficiency
overwhelmed immune systems: infected broken skin wounds from chains,
infected pressure wounds from restricted movement
poor hygiene was the +1

Fact check trail of tears vs slave trade & slavery:
1. The trail of tears -was an event that occurred over a few years involving a population
that equaled less than 15% of the total number slaves brought to the Americas... again less than a single generation. vs almost 5 centuries of slave trade and slavery in the Americas.
How is this a logical comparison or argument?

the bottom line is an event happened and the people who were strongest survived and the ones who weren't didn't. If you think the that people in medieval europe only died from one viral disease considering the filthy conditions they lived in for decades then youre fooling yourself.

1 Dude you still don't have the faintest grasp of genetics
2 You still refuse to READ the history- the slave narratives, the plantation and owner records! they were breeding girls from an age they were able carry children- sometimes as young as 13 or 14.
a young owner can raise 6 or 7 generations in his lifetime, but you forget that slavery was used as engine to build or maintain generational wealth.

and we agreed that they were breeding their own stock because it was cheaper than importing but I disagree that they were conscoiusly breeding for better eyesight and higher jumping abilities..specific traits as you posit..thats just plain silly.

Again- you still don't have a grasp on genetics ... it doesn't matter what your opinion or feeling on this is- you are arguing against observable scientific fact. You want Curry as example, poor choice but it doesn't matter, cause you are observing traits in 1 - but I've argued examples of x out of 100 or x out of 1000.
Look it doesn't matter that whites and blacks intermingled extensively and everyone is a collage of genes from all over - statistically our dominant traits win out many more times than not... for some reason our race's dominant traits also happened to become the common traits

Please, let us continue this argument with logic and facts

again and all those dominant traits come from africa not slavery.

 

[sharkbait28]

Kenyan long distance runners. Product of selective breeding?

 

[sharkbait28]

Norweigan and Slavic Biathalon dominance. Product of selective breeding?

 

[sharkbait28]

Jewish dominance of the film and financial sectors. Product of selective breeding? Could this shit be more complicated than you guys are positing?

 

[ViCiouS]

the bottom line is an event happened and the people who were strongest survived and the ones who weren't didn't. If you think the that people in medieval europe only died from one viral disease considering the filthy conditions they lived in for decades then youre fooling yourself.



and we agreed that they were breeding their own stock because it was cheaper than importing but I disagree that they were conscoiusly breeding for better eyesight and higher jumping abilities..specific traits as you posit..thats just plain silly.


again and all those dominant traits come from africa not slavery.

you argued the black plague... now- are you really trying to compare dark age European hard ships to the slave trade and slavery in the Americas? If yes - on the surface it already lacks logic - but please make your argument.

as to eugenics -you are still arguing against- multiple first hand narratives, eye witness reports, slave owners and plantation slave records and government records in the West Indies -without facts

yes they do come from Africa - in Africa many of the traits are diluted and less common, think 1 in 1000 vs Blacks in the Americas the traits are concentrated and common more like 1 in 3

 

[geechiedan]

you argued the black plague... now- are you really trying to compare dark age European hard ships to the slave trade and slavery in the Americas? If yes - on the surface it already lacks logic - but please make your argument.

as to eugenics -you are still arguing against- multiple first hand narratives, eye witness reports, slave owners and plantation slave records and government records in the West Indies -without facts

yes they do come from Africa - in Africa many of the traits are diluted and less common, think 1 in 1000 vs Blacks in the Americas the traits are concentrated and common more like 1 in 3

the argument is a decades long living condition persisted...millions died and those that didn't were the stronger for it.

And advertisement in Charleston, South Carolina, in 1796, offereing fifty prime negroes for sale contained theses sentences: *** "they are not Negroes selected out of a larger gang for the purpose of a sale, but are prime, their present Owner, with great trouble and expense, selected them out of many for several years past. They were purchased for stock and breedingNegroes, and to any Planter who particularly wanted them for that purpose, they are a very choice and desirable gang." At all times "breeding slaves", "child bearing women", "breeding period", "too old to breed", etc. were familiar terms.

Slave-rearing early became the source of the largest and often the only regular profit of nearly all slaveholding farmers and of many planters in the upper South. Especially in Virginia, as Francis Corbin wrote in 1819, "miserabile dicturour principle profit depends" on the increase of our slaves. In a Virginia case in 1848, the Court said that"the scantiness of net profit from slave labor has become proverbial, and that nothing is more common than actual loss, or a benefit merely in the slow increase of capital from propagation."

(From pg. 75 of the same chapter)

The wife of a Georgia planter wrote that "many indirect inducements [are] held out to reckless propagation, which has a sort of premium offered to it in the consideration of less work and more food counterbalanced by none of the sacred responsibilities which hallow and ennoble the relation of parent and child; in short, as their lives are for the most those of mere animals, their increase is literally mere animal breeding, to which every encouragement is given, for it adds to the master's live-stock and the value of his estate."

The most careful planters everywhere considered slave-rearing of prime importance. One in Alabama, who was so liberal-minded, that he encouraged his negroes to read the Bible, described his own prosperity by saying that his slaves had been"generally healthy and very prolific, and their increase is no small matter in the item of profits." Another expressed the common opinion: "Well treated and cared for, and moderately worked, their natural increase becomes a source of great profit to their owner. Whatever therefore tends to promote their health and render them prolific, is worthy his attention.""With us the proprietor's largest source of prosperity is in the negroes he raises", said Secretary of the Treasury Howell Cobb, in 1858, when also president of the Georgia Cotton Planters' convention.

John C. Reed--also a Georgian, graduated from Princeton in 1854 and afterward a lawyer in his native State--had rare knowledge of social condition and was clear and frank in his convictions. He wrote: "Although the profits of slave-planting were considerable, the greates profit of all was what the master thought of and talked of all the day long,--the natural increase of his slaves, as he called it. His negroes were far more to him than his land." *** "Really the leading industry of the South was slave-rearing. The profit was in keeping the slaves healthy and rapidly multiplying. This could be done at little expense in agriculture where even the light workers were made to support themselves." Accordingly, he said, "many of these older sections turned, from being agricultural communities, into nurseries, rearing slaves for the younger States where virgin soil was abundant."

happy now...now no where in there is a discussion of breeding for specific traits or encouraging one genetic aspect while discouraging another. All they wanted was healthy slaves thats it. thats as far as it needed to go.

 

[ViCiouS]

you should read the thread - much of your argument has been addressed already.

1. a good portion of Slaves were also breed with high probability for high functioning intelligence (fast learning and memory) many were skilled laborers and craftsmen
2. multiple studies already prove the exact opposite of us not being bred for intelligence
we are almost preternaturally intelligent - those studies show that nutrition directly impacts a child's ability to learn, but on average even with poor nutrition, when taught at the same level as the privileged our kids still excelled while dirt poor whites failed to compete.

We're not dogs bro! We're something more. Biological determinism strips human beings of the one thing that makes us human... our agency. YOU are who you are due to a specific set of circumstances and your day to day reactions to said circumstances. This notion that we're just acting out a script written into us by our forebearers is total horseshit as far as I'm concerned. I would also take the inverse of the idea that we we were bred for "strength", "athleticism" etc quite seriously because it undergirds the entire "civilizing" mythology CACs have baked into this bullshit system.

no one is arguing free will or predetermination here...

Kenyan long distance runners. Product of selective breeding?

fast twitch muscle fibers + raised in high altitude environment

Norweigan and Slavic Biathalon dominance. Product of selective breeding?

we don't compete in that sport, and its expensive, but if we did - raise a few children with talent dedication and let them learn and practice - we would dominate it like EVERYTHING else we do.
Any sport that doesn't require access and great expense -we already dominate... and every sport that requires great expense -the ones whites and asians thought we were mentally inferior (tenni, golf, etc) to compete in... when given a chance we kick their asses there too - don't worry it won't be long until a black swimmer arrives and forces them to rewrite rules and redesign pools

Jewish dominance of the film and financial sectors. Product of selective breeding? Could this shit be more complicated than you guys are positing?

this is the result of a power system centuries old.... not based on talent /genetics or merit
it is not relevant

 

[geechiedan]

fast twitch muscle fibers + raised in high altitude environment

thats purely coincidental.

 

[JamesATL]

i wonder is this why, we have so many kids now a days? real talk.
its in our mentality to reproduce. we gotta break that habbit.