What you said is my point. Just because you are not informed about who someone is doesn't mean they don't have a fan base or respected within their field. There are alot of people most of us are unaware of that are famous etc. People appeal to different audiences. The average white person doesn't likely know who Bokeem Woodbine is by name alone. Even if you named some of his roles, they'd probably still question who he is. Does that take away from his career?
Another part of the argument was did Flip know the name of the black man who played Cyborg in the Justice League film. Flip did not know Ray Fisher. I could be wrong, but you don't know who Jonathan Majors is because you are black. You know who he is because you enjoyed his performance in things you've seen or like me you've heard his name attached to past roles. The only performance I've seen Jonathan Majors in was The Harder They Fall. Clearly there is a black demo, but that doesn't mean we are all familiar with someone just because they are black or we watch everything that is targeted towards black people.
Im not even going to entertain your comment about the Flash not being recognizable in terms of this discussion. You don't even need to be a comic fan and you've likely heard of the character and/or recognize him. If you were only talking about Ezra playing the Flash, that's different.
DCU movies being good or bad doesn't matter as far as their characters popularity over the years or in terms of Melissa's point. They are still big budget movies with the same level of marketing as the MCU films. The DCU isn't a new franchise that WB is looking to just write off anymore than Disney with the MCU. The way Ish was talking was as if the DCU franchise was something obscure, was not a direct competitor or the actor didn't matter to a finished film.That's alot different than simply saying you are unaware of who Erza is. Mel's point was both are attached to major franchises with large backers.
I don't think Ezra Miller was ever famous.
Look at his filmography. I haven't seen any of that shit besides him in the DC movies and I see A LOT of fucking movies. If you aren't in to Fantastic Beast and DC, you don't know him.
and The Flash is far from Batman, Wonder Woman or Superman as far as popularity. That's why it's taken so long for them to be in a solo movie. The average person not into comic books, DC anime or DC universe doesn't know who the fuck The Flash is. Who dresses up like The Flash for Halloween?
and DC movies being good does matter. It matters in how many people are actually going to see the movies and if they care or not. So Black Panther being in a bunch of movies that made a billion matters, in Black Panthers overall popularity.
James Gunn already said this shit doesn't matter, so Ezra's problems don't even matter other than this particular movie.
I'm in the middle of both of their points.
Black people know Jonathan Majors, even if it's just recently for Kang and Creed. Me, I've seen everything from Last Black Man in San Fran to Devotion, so I already knew who he was.
Ezra Miller, you would have to be a DC universe fan to now who he is. How many people could pick Ezra out in a line up. That matters.
The popularity of Bill Cosby matters versus Harvey Weinstein.
