Lagos, Slave Trade and the Founding Fathers

[exiledking]

http://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2014/12/08/lagos-slave-trade-founding-fathers-damola-awoyokun/

...When the late Prince Odiri, the son of Akazua the Obi of Onitsha was to be buried in September 1864, some slaves were buried with the corpse. Among them was an eight year old girl who carried a pair of shoes and food stuff to serve as refreshment for the late prince on the long journey to the great beyond. Crowther and his fellow missionaries tried to offer money to free the slaves but Akazua said no, the tradition of the land must be respected.

In Ibadan, the war-crazed city, when the Balogun (War General) passed away, 70 slave’s blood were drenched over his grave as a mark
of honour and his accomplishments. Efunsetan Aniwura the Iyalode of Ibadan had several farms and households full of slaves. She made it an abomination for slaves to love or to make love. When one of her slaves became visibly pregnant, she marched her to the Ibadan town square and beheaded her there herself.

The celebrated Madam Tinubu, Efunsetan’s dear friend and business partner was also a slave dealer who owned an Ibadan-to-Lagos pipeline delivering slaves for Brazilian and Portuguese export. Her husband, Oba Adele and the Lagos kings before and after him were slave magnates who owned warehouses for processing or hoarding slaves to maximise their market value...

 

[PJN]

Things were done by some African brethren that were atrocious needs to acknowledged and addressed but it doesn't absolve cac fuckery

 

[hardawayz13]

http://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2014/12/08/lagos-slave-trade-founding-fathers-damola-awoyokun/

...When the late Prince Odiri, the son of Akazua the Obi of Onitsha was to be buried in September 1864, some slaves were buried with the corpse. Among them was an eight year old girl who carried a pair of shoes and food stuff to serve as refreshment for the late prince on the long journey to the great beyond. Crowther and his fellow missionaries tried to offer money to free the slaves but Akazua said no, the tradition of the land must be respected.

In Ibadan, the war-crazed city, when the Balogun (War General) passed away, 70 slave’s blood were drenched over his grave as a mark
of honour and his accomplishments. Efunsetan Aniwura the Iyalode of Ibadan had several farms and households full of slaves. She made it an abomination for slaves to love or to make love. When one of her slaves became visibly pregnant, she marched her to the Ibadan town square and beheaded her there herself.

The celebrated Madam Tinubu, Efunsetan’s dear friend and business partner was also a slave dealer who owned an Ibadan-to-Lagos pipeline delivering slaves for Brazilian and Portuguese export. Her husband, Oba Adele and the Lagos kings before and after him were slave magnates who owned warehouses for processing or hoarding slaves to maximise their market value...

They were burying slaves alive? Slaves couldn't love or make love? CACs didn't even do that...

Our own people made the Amazon for slavery

and you're killing BGOL narrative that our african ancestors were a peaceful, loving group incapable of savagery before exposure to CACs

SHIT

 

[hardawayz13]

Yo i'm reading this shit and it's making me sick

"The 25 guns lining Lagos Island to the king’s palace were purchased with slaves’ money. Velvet clothes, royal umbrellas, hats and stylish robes wore by the Obas and chiefs to command respect and admiration amongst their people were bought with slaves’ money.

In fact Oba Kosoko did what others never did. He bought back slaves already established in Bahia, Brazil because he needed their carpentry, masonry and coopering skills to build Brazilian type houses and produce European items in Lagos."

 

[hardawayz13]

"The 25 guns lining Lagos Island to the king’s palace were purchased with slaves’ money. Velvet clothes, royal umbrellas, hats and stylish robes wore by the Obas and chiefs to command respect and admiration amongst their people were bought with slaves’ money.

Niggas enslaved their own people so they could live like rappers

 

[havelcok]

They still do it now

Some of the yoruba kings

if you agree to be his personal servant "slave"
you eat what he eats, live where he lives, sleeps where his sleep\your family will be rich
and will always be taken care of

but when he died, you have to be buried with him

http://naijagists.com/missing-aboba...e-man-to-be-buried-alive-with-the-king-today/

 

[BDR]

It's Africans with generational wealth from the slave trade from owning slaves..

 

[Mello Mello]

new perspective

 

[hardawayz13]

Things were done by some African brethren that were atrocious needs to acknowledged and addressed but it doesn't absolve cac fuckery

We would never had came in contact wit CAC fuckery if our own people weren't selling us off!

And in this case specifically had we stayed there's a chance we'd be slaves on our own land - being treated shittier than slaves headed west

We were fucked either way.

 

[exiledking]

It's Africans with generational wealth from the slave trade from owning slaves..

The Tinubu family , as well as the family of Oshodi Tapa is still around and doing quite well so it seems

 

[exiledking]

We would never had came in contact wit CAC fuckery if our own people weren't selling us off!

And in this case specifically had we stayed there's a chance we'd be slaves on our own land - being treated shittier than slaves headed west

We were fucked either way.

Well there's also more than a chance that "WE" were doing that too, meaning our ancestors. War is war and according to the culture at the time , not many people saw anything wrong with it like we do today. So "we" got it like we gave it. Some didn't , like Samuel Ajayi Crowther. He could have gone from being slave to slaver, just as many others did but he didn't.

 

[exiledking]

Yo i'm reading this shit and it's making me sick

"The 25 guns lining Lagos Island to the king’s palace were purchased with slaves’ money. Velvet clothes, royal umbrellas, hats and stylish robes wore by the Obas and chiefs to command respect and admiration amongst their people were bought with slaves’ money.

In fact Oba Kosoko did what others never did. He bought back slaves already established in Bahia, Brazil because he needed their carpentry, masonry and coopering skills to build Brazilian type houses and produce European items in Lagos."

They made a movie about this one lady he mentioned. Subtitles for your convenience. It's actually not a bad flick

 

[BDR]

The Tinubu family , as well as the family of Oshodi Tapa is still around and doing quite well so it seems

They are no different than the cacs who owned slaves here in America and their family benefiting from it for generations after...

 

[dHustla]

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Cacs stole our culture and language from

Us..

There is no amount of reparations that can replace that theft.....

According to European mind sets Nigerians are supposed to be "savages"

Europeanized americas is supposed to be a Christian country...

A" civilized "country......

What is their excuse....???

 

[ShortyCumStain]

you're killing BGOL narrative that our african ancestors were a peaceful, loving group incapable of savagery before exposure to CACs

SHIT

This has always been false and romanticism at best. Some of our ancestors won't shit. Muthafuckas think shit was all silk, gold, peaches and cream. But nevertheless, still ours. Everyone complicit or directly involved with da slave trade got blood on their hands. But at da same time too, a lot of this shit is also different from chattel slavery in da antebellum South. This is always touchy and hard to swallow for many.

 

[exiledking]

But at da same time too, a lot of this shit is also different from chattel slavery in da antebellum South. This is always touchy and hard to swallow for many.

oh really? What was different?

 

[exiledking]

They are no different than the cacs who owned slaves here in America and their family benefiting from it for generations after...

Some of em live here in the states as well

 

[hardawayz13]

Cacs stole our culture and language from

Us..

There is no amount of reparations that can replace that theft.....

Uh...our black enslavers gave no fucks about any of that, they even said "hey, give us our niggas back so they can build us the same shit they built yall"

We can and have created new culture, new language....

Bro our own people BEHEADED slave women for getting pregnant. Warehoused us, broke up our families (just like CACs did), BURIED US ALIVE WITH THEM.

Our own people purchased us to show other black aristocrats they had money. WE WERE FUCKING GUCCI FLIP FLOPS my guy.

We have to face the uncomfortable truths about the role that our ancestors played in our current condition.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Uh...our black enslavers gave no fucks about any of that, they even said "hey, give us our niggas back so they can build us the same shit they built yall"

We can and have created new culture, new language....

Bro our own people BEHEADED slave women for getting pregnant. Warehoused us, broke up our families (just like CACs did), BURIED US ALIVE WITH THEM.

Our own people purchased us to show other black aristocrats they had money. WE WERE FUCKING GUCCI FLIP FLOPS my guy.

We have to face the uncomfortable truths about the role that our ancestors played in our current condition.

fake news european propaganda to relieve european guilt..

all I know is the sick disturbing atrocities of chattel slavery that took place in this country at the hands of europeans...

how many africans were forced to sell us out at gun point?

would the european have been able to enslave any so called africans if he didnt always bring guns and alcohol on his slave raids?

and that source the op used, seems far from legit..

 

[KingTaharqa]

A "what about black on black crime" slavery thread.

 

[keone]

A "what about black on black crime" slavery thread.

this negro always been on his bozo shit

 

[pookie]

They were burying slaves alive? Slaves couldn't love or make love? CACs didn't even do that...

Our own people made the Amazon for slavery

and you're killing BGOL narrative that our african ancestors were a peaceful, loving group incapable of savagery before exposure to CACs

SHIT

This has always been false and romanticism at best. Some of our ancestors won't shit. Muthafuckas think shit was all silk, gold, peaches and cream. But nevertheless, still ours. Everyone complicit or directly involved with da slave trade got blood on their hands. But at da same time too, a lot of this shit is also different from chattel slavery in da antebellum South. This is always touchy and hard to swallow for many.

I think in the film Shaka Zulu it showed people being buried alive when the king or queen died.

When Shaka Zulu's mother died, several virgins were buried alive “to keep her company

Shaka became an absolute ruler whose appetite for power increased his ruthlessness and brutality. He tortured and killed his advisors, warriors and even family members for the slightest perceived insult or simple mistake. He had thousands of his tribe members killed so that their families would join him in his sorrow and mourning when his own mother died.

 

[hardawayz13]

fake news european propaganda to relieve european guilt..

all I know is the sick disturbing atrocities of chattel slavery that took place in this country at the hands of europeans...

how many africans were forced to sell us out at gun point?

would the european have been able to enslave any so called africans if he didnt always bring guns and alcohol on his slave raids?

and that source the op used, seems far from legit..

Of course the source doesn't seem legit, its not speaking to your beliefs that the evil white man is solely to blame for slavery.

Why is it so hard to believe we sold slaves? Like Exiled alluded to - slavery existed for THOUSANDS of years, and it was a way of life. If we had slaves, and a CAC wanted to buy slaves, we them sold slaves.

It was business.

 

[hardawayz13]

A "what about black on black crime" slavery thread.

This ain't black on black crime

This is black man knowingly selling the gun to the white man that was used to shoot me

 

[exiledking]

A "what about black on black crime" slavery thread.

I post history threads all the time. I only get backlash when it's shit like this lol. So your response is to be expected.

 

[exiledking]

Of course the source doesn't seem legit, its not speaking to your beliefs that the evil white man is solely to blame for slavery.

Why is it so hard to believe we sold slaves? Like Exiled alluded to - slavery existed for THOUSANDS of years, and it was a way of life. If we had slaves, and a CAC wanted to buy slaves, we them sold slaves.

It was business.

Yup. People them didn't think like we do now. One of the reasons I post is so we can be honest with ourselves about what EVERY group is capable of- if you don't know about your own darkness you're less likely to be able to avoid it.
And yes, there are multiple written and oral sources that back this up.

The story of iyalode efunsatan antiwura is widely known amongst the Yoruba. They've made several films about it even, that I just posted. She's whipping her slaves and beheaded the one girl in it. Its a classic film that all my Yoruba friends know. Everyone knows madam tinumbu. Her descendants are still around. Oshodi Tapas descendants as well.

I'm confused as to how some of our hotep history nuts seem appalled by it.

And anyways, white people have plenty of despots that they still look upon fondly. Alexander the Great was a genocidal maniac, yet he's called great lol. We can still call these people great for whatever reason we want. Tinumbu has a square in Lagos named after her. I don't hear many people speak ill on that name.shes a founding mother of Nigeria just as Thomas jerfersons slave holding , baby mama having ass was. It's history. History aint always cute. *¯\_(ツ)_/¯*

 

[exiledking]

This has always been false and romanticism at best. Some of our ancestors won't shit. Muthafuckas think shit was all silk, gold, peaches and cream. But nevertheless, still ours. Everyone complicit or directly involved with da slave trade got blood on their hands. But at da same time too, a lot of this shit is also different from chattel slavery in da antebellum South. This is always touchy and hard to swallow for many.

I wouldn't necessarily say they won't shit. (you just be from North Carolina btw lol. )

It's just the way it was back then and people didn't see things how they do now- which is why I'm glad I love now lol

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Of course the source doesn't seem legit, its not speaking to your beliefs that the evil white man is solely to blame for slavery.

Why is it so hard to believe we sold slaves? Like Exiled alluded to - slavery existed for THOUSANDS of years, and it was a way of life. If we had slaves, and a CAC wanted to buy slaves, we them sold slaves.

It was business.

uh there is a difference between business and forcing someone to work for you for free..

thats why so many cacs have a guilt complex

and need shit like revised history,

racist jokes and songs to ease some of that guilt thats weighing them down...

they also know sooner or later things will have to balance itself out...

thats why they are obsessed with guns

as if thats going to change anything...

there is a reason why the cac suicide rates are so high and the birth rates so low...

karma is that muthafuckin sweet bitch...

 

[bwb]

some of you seem to be the argument that if those africans hadn't sold blacks into slavery there woudn't have been any slave trade in the americas or europe. Incorrect. They just would have been taken first. CACs love to bring that up, as if they were somehow justified in their evil. What kind of dumb ass simple minded self serving logic is that? Are the blacks who sold their rivals into slavery still here living on a system built on the backs of the men they enslaved trying to convince is it wasn't really that bad? No, but guess who is...

 

[PJN]

We would never had came in contact wit CAC fuckery if our own people weren't selling us off!

And in this case specifically had we stayed there's a chance we'd be slaves on our own land - being treated shittier than slaves headed west

We were fucked either way.

Slave trading was virtually everywhere. One tribe fights against another and wins, they take slaves. Cacs went to Africa looking for natural resources and slaves and the natives just found it more profitable to sell those slaves to cacs instead of incurring $$$ to keep them. Now you got some "entrepreneuring" brethren who made it their business to kidnap young folks going to farms or walking by themselves in secluded areas but this was on a minute scale compared to the large scale slaving operations the British, Dutch, French, Belgian and Portuguese got going on and it was prevalent mostly in Nigeria. Sometimes the African kidnappers themselves were tricked to get on the ships and added to the slaves.
The last part of your post...If you've visited places like the Cape Coast or Elmina castles, you'll take that statement back. I've never read or heard Africans treating their slaves worse than what was going on in those places.

 

[roots69]

Hmm..

People think the native americans are the indigenous ones and the indigenous ones think they come from another country!! Go figure

 

[LennyNero1972]

Interesting stuff.

 

[COINTELPRO]

Whites brought manufactured goods like weapons for slaves. Divide and conquer. Your in this hell hole with whites because of them.

They helped fuel the demise of Native Americans and other continents. No way they could have gotten enough whites to leave Europe.

 

[kefta]

The Tinubu family , as well as the family of Oshodi Tapa is still around and doing quite well so it seems

Not true because all that they own is within the context of racism/white supremacy i.e. it belongs to white people...