Lagos, Slave Trade and the Founding Fathers

hardawayz13

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peep propaganda writing !this guy might a texan republican ..talking about the textbook writing of "migrant african workers"

We have Nigerian born BGOL members....if this is all just propaganda I think (hope) they would speak up on what they know/heard from elders and contribute any personal knowledge....

I don't know anyone's personal background here but it seems like the only people feeling a kind of way about the article are...American?
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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Yes, I'm familiar with that book.



What does that book have to do with this thread??????

so called negros and native americans are one in the same,

and the atrocities commited by the european enslavement was far more inhumane and on a wider scale than any enslavement done by africans to other africans....

just in case you didnt know....
 

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We have Nigerian born BGOL members....if this is all just propaganda I think (hope) they would speak up on what they know/heard from elders and contribute any personal knowledge....

I don't know anyone's personal background here but it seems like the only people feeling a kind of way about the article are...American?

what does a king burying servant with him have to do with american slave industry? that wasn't only "nigerian yoruba" kins alone , it happened all over the world egypt is a prime example.

and the story is aiming to claim that "europeans brought CIVILIZATION" to the yorubas as if they weren't a civilized people before the savage devil came brought diseases and guns & germs ! read my highlited post again, these were the kinda house house sellout negroes that talked about how kind the massa was and how he let us eat lunch in the shade
 

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so called negros and native americans are one in the same,

and the atrocities commited by the european enslavement was far more inhumane and on a wider scale than any enslavement done by africans to other africans....

just in case you didnt know....
people always wanna act like servitude and american institutionalized slavery industry were the same, and act dumb like we down know the difference
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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people always wanna act like servitude and american institutionalized slavery industry were the same, and act dumb like we down know the difference

yea I dont know why he is trying to play dumbrowski,

the last paragraph in the original post made the connection of africans selling slaves to european savages,

like you stated...

as if slavery in africa and european chattel slavery are one and the same..

pure insanity!!
 

hardawayz13

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so called negros and native americans are one in the same,

just in case you didnt know....

:lol:...ok.....we're just gonna skip right over that part.....

and the atrocities commited by the european enslavement was far more inhumane and on a wider scale than any enslavement done by africans to other africans....

just in case you didnt know....

LOL is this your point???

Bro, no where in this thread did ANYONE compare slavery between continents - from the start this thread has been focusing on how black slave owners in LAGOS treated their slaves.

Are you excusing enslavement done by africans to other africans? Because it was - to paraphrase you - "less inhumane"?
 

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and the story is aiming to claim that "europeans brought CIVILIZATION" to the yorubas as if they weren't a civilized people before the savage devil came brought diseases and guns & germs ! read my highlited post again, these were the kinda house house sellout negroes that talked about how kind the massa was and how he let us eat lunch in the shade

I can't speak to what life was like in Nigeria before imperialism - but I do know this

- there was slavery -

If you lived your life in Lagos as a slave and get rescued by the British, then educated by the British, and given a new life far away from slavery - then go back with the help of the British and rescue other slaves....

You don't understand how someone could feel indebted to the British?
 

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:lol:...ok.....we're just gonna skip right over that part.....



LOL is this your point???

Bro, no where in this thread did ANYONE compare slavery between continents - from the start this thread has been focusing on how black slave owners in LAGOS treated their slaves.

Are you excusing enslavement done by africans to other africans? Because it was - to paraphrase you - "less inhumane"?

the last paragraph in the op, stated how nigerians sold slaves to europeans chattel enslavers to take to north america..

that was the connection which produced my response...

if you dont get it, you dont get it,

by your reply to the fact that the so called "negro' were the native americans....

It obvious you are clueless to this fact, hence the book suggestion by the great historian Van Sertima.
 

hardawayz13

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the last paragraph in the op, stated how nigerians sold slaves to europeans chattel enslavers to take to north america..

that was the connection which produced my response...

if you dont get it, you dont get it,

Don't get what? That the Nigerians sold slaves to the evil europeans? Yes, we know that.

Are you excusing enslavement done by africans to other africans? Because it was - to paraphrase you - "less inhumane"?

????
 

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I can't speak to what life was like in Nigeria before imperialism - but I do know this

- there was slavery -

If you lived your life in Lagos as a slave and get rescued by the British, then educated by the British, and given a new life far away from slavery - then go back with the help of the British and rescue other slaves....

You don't understand how someone could feel indebted to the British?
thats the most bull sheet ass story , its akin to the "irish were slaves too who suffered more than blacks"

I've studied the history of slavery in african nations and the yorubas in particular, and no where was the "servitude" anything like american intituionalized slavery" no where, not close not even!! ,
slaves were taken from conquered tribes and they often could rise and overthrow their positions ,
the slaves married into the family often, slaves held positions ,even tho they were marked as the losing tribes in a war, they were able to live their lives free of oppressio, so it was more a stigma,liek a sign to say they were the loin tribes, they could use a hairstyle or pattern faceial tattoo to mark themselves separate, and slaves traded and used commerce to level their positions in life, there are countless stories of slaves as kids who mastered the trade of the family they were inslaved into better than the the family kids and ended up taking over the family business , stop trying to conflate and confuse it with devil cac-ry american sintituonalized slavery industry!!
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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Don't get what? That the Nigerians sold slaves to the evil europeans? Yes, we know that.



????

In not excusing anything, Im just pointing out facts that the savage european practiced chattel slavery and its a whole different ball game to what was practiced in africa..

you are just in super slow mode this week..
 
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hardawayz13

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thats the most bull sheet ass story , its akin to the "irish were slaves too who suffered more than blacks"

I've studied the history of slavery in african nations and the yorubas in particular, and no where was the "servitude" anything like american intituionalized slavery" no where, not close not even!! ,
slaves were taken from conquered tribes and they often could rise and overthrow their positions ,
the slaves married into the family often, slaves held positions ,even tho they were marked as the losing tribes in a war, they were able to live their lives free of oppressio, so it was more a stigma,liek a sign to say they were the loin tribes, they could use a hairstyle or pattern faceial tattoo to mark themselves separate, and slaves traded and used commerce to level their positions in life, there are countless stories of slaves as kids who mastered the trade of the family they were inslaved into better than the the family kids and ended up taking over the family business , stop trying to conflate and confuse it with devil cac-ry american sintituonalized slavery industry!!

So you're saying the way the slaves were treated in Lagos......at the time period in the article.....didn't happen?
 

hardawayz13

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In not excusing anything, Im just pointing out facts that the savage european practiced chattel slavery and its a whole different ball game to what was practiced in africa..

But that's not the topic of discussion....the "ball game" we're talking about is Lagos

You're on the wrong field
 

mangobob79

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So you're saying the way the slaves were treated in Lagos......at the time period in the article.....didn't happen?
u are picking a couple instances of cruel brutality to paint an ancient tradition practiced all over the world as being particular to "africans" or "yorubas" in this case, while completely ignoring the context slavery functioned under in african societies to try to make a point ,
its like those cats who pick one or 2 words from a random BLM rally spoken by a few idiots and use that to completely try to shut down anything the whole movement and anything blm does, that wasn't the norm , that wasnt the way slavery existed in west africa or anywhere in africa, this incidences u pick n choose show more about u and ur mindset and intentions than trying to "expose every side to the story of our history"
 

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u are picking a couple instances of cruel brutality to paint an ancient tradition practiced all over the world as being particular to "africans" or "yorubas" in this case, while completely ignoring the context slavery functioned under in african societies to try to make a point ,
its like those cats who pick one or 2 words from a random BLM rally spoken by a few idiots and use that to completely try to shut down anything the whole movement and anything blm does, that wasn't the norm , that wasnt the way slavery existed in west africa or anywhere in africa, this incidences u pick n choose show more about u and ur mindset and intentions than trying to "expose every side to the story of our history"

Why is it so hard to believe we sold slaves? Like Exiled alluded to - slavery existed for THOUSANDS of years, and it was a way of life.

I posted this on Saturday....

I didn't "pick and choose" anything. The excerpts from the article the OP posted was from one country, from one period of time.

This thread was never about:
  • the history of slavery
  • native americans
  • slavery in america
  • who were the worst enslavers throughout history
Why are any of you making it that? All those topics above deserve their own threads - have at it.
 

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So....lets be clear......are you saying we have always been docile WEAK beings who folded like towels whenever white men pulled up on us??????? Anything they've ever wanted from us EVER they just pulled up and snatched it from us with no fight?

There were never self made wealthy Kings and Queens in ANY african countries?

No we were not but after the establishment of the global system of racism/white supremacy, all came under white global domination. And yeah, like I always say, if we were that strong then the system of racism/white supremacy would not be in place today, 2017.
 

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I posted this on Saturday....

I didn't "pick and choose" anything. The excerpts from the article the OP posted was from one country, from one period of time.

This thread was never about:
  • the history of slavery
  • native americans
  • slavery in america
  • who were the worst enslavers throughout history
Why are any of you making it that? All those topics above deserve their own threads - have at it.
Thats the funny part.

They ways talk about comparing when clealrly just hearing about it makes them feel the need to compare it to american slavery. I wonder why.
 

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....."Even Nnamdi Azikiwe’s popular West African Pilot said on Tuesday, May 23, 1939 when drumming up support for the Empire Day celebrations: “Tomorrow is Empire Day, a day to which school children all over the British Empire look with eagerness. It is a day set apart to remind us of the unblemished deeds and acts of a queen whose memory should never be obliterated from the minds of the African. Her Majesty, Queen Victoria, called “Victoria the Good,” was responsible for many kind acts which have helped immortalise her among us. Can we forget the [Lagos] cession of 1862, the gift of a staff to the late King Akiitoye, the Bible sent to Sagbuwa the Alake of the Egbas, the adoption of Bonnetta Forbes afterwards Mrs J.P.L. Davies, and such like?”

But that was pre-war era before USSR penetrated Nigeria with Marxist viewpoint and analysis and British presence became regarded as colonisation and imperialism. But Oyo, Benin, Fulani empires were not seen as imperialisms. The liberation from slavery, the mass education by the British, the health and social services provided, the railways, the infrastructural facilities built then became known tools of colonial exploitative expansion. Hebert Macaulay became regarded as nationalist when in actual fact he was what was today called government critic, human rights or civil society advocate. He never called for the British government to leave Nigeria, he only asked them to respect indigenous rights. Till the last, he swore allegiance to the British crown. In his Justitia Fiat: the Moral Obligation of the British Government to the House of King Docemo of Lagos, he wrote with pride about the role his grandfather, Ajayi Crowther played in asking the British to take over the political affairs of the country and modernise the place.

Also figures like Captain Labulo Davies, Henry Carr, the inspector of schools of the Colony of Lagos who favoured assimilation with White Lagosians, Otunba Payne, the chief registrar of Lagos Supreme Court in 1877 who prepared the indigenous handbook for white judges to use, became blotted out from the history books once anti-colonial discourse took firm root. And slaveholders and beheaders like Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi were resurrected as heroes...."


peep propaganda writing !this guy might a texan republican ..talking about the textbook writing of "migrant african workers"
Pretty much any editorial is "propaganda" bro.

Clearly this is propaganda you don't like. And that's fine. But tell us WHAT you don't agree with about what he said and give us some countering information.

Is he not right about what Nnamdi Azikiwe said in his paper at that time? Zik ended up himself a nationalist. What changed? Is it not true about communist thought? Enlighten us on what you know, don't just highlight what you don't wanna hear and pitch a bitch.


Was Benin and Empire? Oyo? The fulani jihad?


What are your thoughts on Samuel Ajayi Crowther for asking the British to take over Lagos and end the slave trade in the region? If slavery was so normal and not cruel for them, why would he want this? What about James Labulo Davies? What about Herbert Macauley?

And the writer... You know.something about him we don't know? I see that you disagree but why?
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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But that's not the topic of discussion....the "ball game" we're talking about is Lagos

You're on the wrong field

no we are talking about SLAVERY in Lagos in particular..

africans enslaving other africans...

then selling these africans to savage europeans, as if they were major players in the slave trade..

and this implication needs to be checked.

you are not even on the field you are way up in the stands eating nuts...
 

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no we are talking about SLAVERY in Lagos in particular..

africans enslaving other africans...

then selling these africans to savage europeans, as if they were major players in the slave trade..

and this implication needs to be checked.

you are not even on the field you are way up in the stands eating nuts...

You still here? OK...so the "implication" that slavers in Lagos sold slaves to european traders is false?
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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You still here? OK...so the "implication" that slavers in Lagos sold slaves to european traders is false?

too many nuts in your mouth its fuckin with your reading comprehension..

I said the implications are nigerians were MAJOR PLAYERS IN the atlantic slave trade... which is NOT the case by a long shot.

go and read the post again, I clearly stated what the implications were, why are playin the board retard today?
 

hardawayz13

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too many nuts in your mouth its fuckin with your reading comprehension..

I said the implications are nigerians were MAJOR PLAYERS IN the atlantic slave trade...

go and read the post again, I clearly stated what the implications were, why are playin the board retard today?

Ok so they weren't "MAJOR PLAYERS" in the slave trade.

So its cool that they sold slaves to the "savage european"...because they weren't MAJOR PLAYERS.....

Btw - nobody said they (THIS ONE -Specific- COUNTRY *Lagos*) where major players in the slave trade . :dunno:
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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Ok so they weren't "MAJOR PLAYERS" in the slave trade.

So its cool that they sold slaves to the "savage european"...because they weren't MAJOR PLAYERS.....

Btw - nobody said they (THIS ONE -Specific- COUNTRY *Lagos*) where major players in the slave trade . :dunno:

so now you dont know the definition of "implications'..

or are you just still in mode retard??
 

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so now you dont know the definition of "implications'..

or are you just still in mode retard??

im·pli·ca·tion
ˌimpləˈkāSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. 1.
    the conclusion that can be drawn from something, although it is not explicitly stated.
    "the implication is that no one person at the bank is responsible"
    synonyms: suggestion, insinuation, innuendo, hint, intimation, imputation
    "he was smarting at their implication"
Got the definition....cool...

Ok...show me where anyone suggested, insinuated, hinted that Lagos was a MAJOR PLAYER in the slave trade....
 

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im·pli·ca·tion
ˌimpləˈkāSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. 1.
    the conclusion that can be drawn from something, although it is not explicitly stated.
    "the implication is that no one person at the bank is responsible"
    synonyms: suggestion, insinuation, innuendo, hint, intimation, imputation
    "he was smarting at their implication"
Got the definition....cool...

Ok...show me where anyone suggested, insinuated, hinted that Lagos was a MAJOR PLAYER in the slave trade....

Last paragraph in the original post....
 

hardawayz13

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Last paragraph in the original post....

I thought you were talking about the comments in the thread.

I said the implications are nigerians were MAJOR PLAYERS IN the atlantic slave trade... which is NOT the case by a long shot.

The article doesn't break down a specific numbers but does it really matter?

Regardless if they sold the "savage europeans" one thousand slaves or one million slaves - they STILL sold the "savage europeans" slaves.
 

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People Burying slaves with their rulers was common on every continent. This was not a black thing
It was common as fuck in Asia. In fact, the first Emperor of China's 'greatest innovation' was he chose to be buried with a terra cotta army instead of flesh and blood army
 
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