Listen this whole gay push that some people believe is happening; I don’t notice it nor does it affect me or my family. Is there more homo shit in the media, yes but so what. Just like there’s more representation of us; i see the diversity push but again homo shit doesn’t affect me. I’m not paying any attention or energy to it. And my spidey senses go up when I find or hear heterosexual people constantly paying attention to it…
Marvel woke up today and said......let me remind y'all who the fuck we are!!
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You ain't lying.
Coming from a black family from Baltimore that had multiple trekkies and comic fans, I always try to get into the headspace of normies during these discussions. I know my family wasn't typical.
I just think some posters on here were exaggerating the level of obscurity of most of Marvel's heavy hitters. The 2003 Hulk movie, for example, was a huge success 5 years before the MCU even started. It's pretty much why The Incredible Hulk was the first MCU film.
Obviously, the MCU has done great things with obscure characters like The Guardians of The Galaxy as one example (sometimes it's an advantage to use obscure characters but I'll save that for another discussion) but that doesn't mean they didn't have characters that were iconic and familiar to the general public.
Unfortunately, in my world of Healthcare it's unavoidable.
Here is a scenario that we deal with regularly.
An individual comes into an office. They fill out the intake form check that they are a woman. The "woman" goes to the back and it is discovered that the person was actually born a man and still possesses all male anatomy. The physician discusses healthcare and shares outcomes that are particular to men. The "woman" gets upset and asks to speak with an ob-gyn.
This happened all the time!!!!! Unfortunately, I can not avoid it. It also happens with women who identifies as men.
There are psychologist who believe that the increase of exposure to non-heterosexal has a direct correlation to the increase in individuals identifying as such.
Just because a person pretends that a situation doesn't exist, doesn't mean that the situation doesn't exist.
So your Spidey sense don't go up when they change long time characters like Tim Drake, Iceman, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, Alan Scott, Aqualad amongst others all of whom have been straight and then put Bruce Wayne in a situation where hey he might have experimented with gay sex. But it goes up when someone points out that the current crop of writers are women and not the most feminine women at that. Let me say this as a long time comic book collector and sci-fi entertainment consumer in general. I for one don't appreciate the agenda being forced down my throat for a group of people that make up less than 1% of the population and I'm probably going to notice when a character like Psylocke who was supposedly straight dated Angel, Scott Summers and Douglocke is now gay. And anyone who says they don't see an agenda well lets just say my Spidey sense goes up.
You see an agenda because you are paying attention to and are looking for it. I don't do neither. I'm sure there is more gay things in media. That doesn't bother me nor do I take notice of it. I pay attention to what I need to pay attention to and what I'm interested in. I don't read comics anymore so I would not know about those characters sex change. But comics have always changed characters personalities traits over the years. Bruce Wayne being in gay sex act hasn't been shown in any batman movies, video games, or animations. So I wouldn't know about that either....
What you described has nothing to do with a "gay agenda push" that I was referring to. Someone being more open or more whatever about what they think they are; well that's happening everywhere but who cares. Within your example, that person should be advised to deal with what's physically with them as opposed to what they think or feel they are. But again that has nothing to do with a push for homo shit...
I'm generalizing. Like Playahaitian said, I've been in the comic industry for most of my adult life. The majority of Americans didn't have a clue who any of these characters were before the MCU became mainstream. Believe that. We of course know, because a lot of us grew up as comic book nerds. Not the rest of America.
Then I have a question -- who were the top 6 most recognizable superheroes in the general public before the MCU took off?
This isn't a quiz. I'm just curious to see your answer. Stan Lee was a cultural landmark for 50+ years before his death and that couldn't have been just because of a single character.
That is a damn GREAT question
You talking capes and tights superhero?
NOT Conan, Doc Savage, Dick Tracy, Flash Gordon etc?
Bionic Man, Lone Ranger, Zorro?
NO VILLIANS?
I think EASILY its the TRINITY
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
then I would say Spiderman
then its get tricky...
If we ONLY doing DC Marvel?
Hulk (specifically because of the TV show)
has to be Captain America
but honestly @Drayonis after the Trinity and Spiderman?
I think its not easy to just say who AMERICA (not the WORLD would KNOW like that)
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Yes, just capes and tights superheroes. No rocketmen, adventurers, pulp characters or sword and sorcery.
That said, you don't have to be limited to the DC/Marvel troika. All superheroes are in the running.
Mind you this is pre-MCU. The most popular superhero nowadays is probably Groot.
I don't follow comics. I read them for a brief time as a kid. As far as what filtered through to me, if it wasn't on Saturday morning cartoons, I didn't know the character.
I knew of hulk and spiderman. I had heard of Captain America, but would not have known him on sight. Iron man I wasn't familiar with at all. In fact I don't think I watched the Iron man movies until after I saw the avengers because I thought it was going to be boring. The avengers was when I got excited about the MCU and i think I only watched it because a coworker was telling me how good it was. In fact it may have been a few movies more in because I recall her telling me how fine Sam was and he wasn't in the avengers.
I'd never heard of scarlet witch or her brother, any of the guardians of the galaxy. In fact for the avengers I had only heard of Thor and the Hulk. I vaguely recalled the name doctor strange, but I wouldn't have been able to tell you anything about him. Or the villans they faced.
Spiderman, the flash, superman, Wonder woman, bat man, the wonder twins, the x men, all these I knew about from previous movies, cartoons and TV shows.
So while the purists get mad if a costume isn't perfect or a back story is changed, the majority of folks are just enjoying the telling of the stories. All this is new to me.
Thanks for the reply. You're basically the person I wanted to chime in.
You clearly knew about Hulk, even putting him in the same sentence as Superman, and had heard of Cap even if you couldn't recognize him. This basically confirms that those two characters were pretty iconic before the MCU.
You hadn't heard of Iron Man, I considered him more of a B-lister, and you didn't say if you heard of Aquaman or not, another character I would put on the B-list.
I had heard of aquaman. I still hear the sound in my head that they played when he communicated with the sea life. The first time I saw the herculoids I was like 10 or 14 visiting my big sis in Texas and they played them there. I don't recall them ever being on TV here in Ohio. Dick Tracy, Flash Gordon, Bionic man and woman, zorro and the lone ranger I had all heard of. I didn't hear of Blade until the Wesley Snipe movies. Shazam I had heard of also. There used to be a live action show for him and Isis.
Preach honeysuckle
I guarantee she knew of the hulk primarily by the live action TV show
And the fact no other character looked anything like him.
Before that?
I doubt it.
Even the iconic cartoon theme song was heard by kids who were into that stuff already and funny how I don't believe any of THOSE cartoons are owned by Disney.
Sidebar...
Do not under estimate the importance of toys cartoons and merchandise when trying to answer your query.
And I'd say Camille is the average American. Remember when Black Panther dropped? In so many black circles, I saw black women excited for a film with a character they'd never heard of. For many that was the first MCU film they'd ever seen.
There literally a drink named after Hulk!! He was always popular
I would say they saw those Winter Soldier clips
And all their husband's sons boyfriends nephews cousins etc
And by the time black panther dropped we were already in full MCU fandom crossing all lines
I doubt most CaCs would trip if they casted Gus.
Now if they were to go completely against type and cast Avon or Marlo in that role, Dwight would lose their collective minds.
I agree
but bro NEVER EVER underestimate stupid
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they started attacking Gus
they tried attacking the director of Prey cause he wasn't actually part of an indigenous people.
Wait what. Seriously.
Isn't the lead actress name Littlefoot Midthunder or something.
They could just be happy with that and STFU.
I guess the assumption is that Black comic book readers would be happy with this? Once they do this everybody should be good with Blade being a white boy or the next Black Panther being Bucky.
Right.
You could make the same argument with Wonder Woman. Mostly known through Lynda Carter's portrayal in the 70s.
She's still considered an A-lister and is considered the "trinity" for DC.
agreed
its REALLY tough discussion to have
cause you got Super friends cartoons too
but then Marvel had cartoons that become cult classics
this is a difficult argument
but its ALWAYS starts with the Trinity.