(May 24 2023) - Another Sandy Hook just happened

cli-terminator

Retired ManWhore
BGOL Investor
Federal red flag laws, universal background checks, and safe storage laws would be a good place to start.
I'm still waiting for a clear description of what universal background checks involve & how they'd be different from the background check system in place now. Will it fix the communication issues between depts that allows so many people to slip through the cracks because 1 dept had no idea another dept had a person under investigation. If that's the case then that would be a huge help
 

cli-terminator

Retired ManWhore
BGOL Investor
Yeah the first paragraph you stated, I said earlier, I think we can all agree that we are all being watched, recorded and tracked. It's no conspiracy no more. Been proven in the news time and time again. I believe they have these measures in place already. Doing something about it is the issue.

And unlicensed sales can happen anywhere. Has nothing to do with a show or dealer. It's just like me selling you one of my guns. I guess it can be somewhat regulated by recording the sale.

But again, yeah the shooters in Buffalo and this bought it legally. But majority of illegal owners just don't. They gonna get them by any means.

I just want to know what changed since when I was growing up til now. I've never seen shootings on a mass scale like this present day. Madness
I echo your sentiments
 

Gods_Debris

Rising Star
Registered
I don't have the answers. All I know is many in control want to use tragedies like this to further gain control of the people.

All those countries where guns have been removed, so were their rights.

The whole base of what the constitution was written is so govt worked for the people. Not using the people to enrich the govt and giving up our rights of freedom.

Covid was a test of how far they could push the world. They're meeting now in Davos and over 150 countries intentions are to give up their sovereignty to the World Health Organization.

I'm not with that.
Bullshit it was written for white land owners. You are lying about this countries histories and documents.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
I'm still waiting for a clear description of what universal background checks involve & how they'd be different from the background check system in place now. Will it fix the communication issues between depts that allows so many people to slip through the cracks because 1 dept had no idea another dept had a person under investigation. If that's the case then that would be a huge help
Proposals for universal background checks would require almost all firearms transactions in the United States to be recorded and go through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), closing what is sometimes called the private sale exemption. Universal background checks are not required by U.S. federal law, but at least 22 states and the District of Columbia currently require background checks for at least some private sales of firearms.
Universal Background Check
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
Yeah the first paragraph you stated, I said earlier, I think we can all agree that we are all being watched, recorded and tracked. It's no conspiracy no more. Been proven in the news time and time again. I believe they have these measures in place already. Doing something about it is the issue.

And unlicensed sales can happen anywhere. Has nothing to do with a show or dealer. It's just like me selling you one of my guns. I guess it can be somewhat regulated by recording the sale.

But again, yeah the shooters in Buffalo and this bought it legally. But majority of illegal owners just don't. They gonna get them by any means.

I just want to know what changed since when I was growing up til now. I've never seen shootings on a mass scale like this present day. Madness
We're being watched, recorded, and tracked more by private corporations, who wish to sell our data, than we are by the government. The FBI still hasn't identified the guy who planted bombs before January 6th. So much for surveillance.

Unlicensed sales should be tracked. These are lethal weapons. No responsible society would throw up their hands and say nothing can be done. Hell, we sent guns into Mexico could be tracked.

A lot has changed since you've grown up. There's social media, no assault weapons ban, many states, particularly red ones, have eased on gun control, there are politicians and news channels capitalizing on white fear. This isn't the country you grew up in.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
So basically one of the biggest system flaws will continue to go unresolved
It's flawed because it's not done federally. A patchwork of states who decide to do it and others who don't or do it half-assed isn't exactly a failure of the concept but of the execution.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
Bullshit it was written for white land owners. You are lying about this countries histories and documents.
Bingo.
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cli-terminator

Retired ManWhore
BGOL Investor
It's flawed because it's not done federally. A patchwork of states who decide to do it and others who don't or do it half-assed isn't exactly a failure of the concept but of the execution.
I was referring to consistent communication between fed state, city & county. The frequency for how many times a person is under investigation by a dept but the other depts are outta the loop is inexcusable. That itself needs to be addressed
 

RoadRage

the voice of reason
BGOL Investor
If they really wanted to do something, the first thing they would do is take a study on how TV, aggressive adds, social media, and other mass media plays into the psyche of a baby born into this society. The reason why they would never do this, because it would fuck up foks 401k's and our fragial economy! Its all connected, but not in the ways most folks are comfortable addressing!
 

RoadRage

the voice of reason
BGOL Investor
We rather point fingers at the racist whites, the militant blacks, crazy women, mad Hispanics, and mentally deranged gays, instead of looking in the mirror and seeing that's a systematic problem that crosses all groups, races, genders, and sexual orientations, maybe it's due to the system of mind fuck games that places feelings above thinking in order to get us to love products that they are selling!
Perhaps the same forces that cause us to love a phone like its precious one year, only to look at it as a piece of junk the moment the newer shinner model is introduced, are also responsible for these nuts feeling convinced that the answer to their problems is doing something radical. Both are founded on irrational reasoning while emphasizing on self-feeling, so yeah I believe there is some form of correlation that they are doing everything in their power to hide!
 

cli-terminator

Retired ManWhore
BGOL Investor
I'm still waiting for a definitive definition for what an assault weapon is to finally be established. According to congress it's any semi-automatic weapon that accepts detachable magazines yet any time there's talks of an assault weapon ban the only rifle talked about is the AR15.

This clearly needs to be better defined since as of right now, the vast majority of firearms would qualify as assault weapons. And if they do filter it down, are they gonna filter it based on caliber or weapon design.

That's part of why none of Biden's nominations for director of the ATF have been successful. Even they can't come up with a clear definition for what an assault weapon is.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
I was referring to consistent communication between fed state, city & county. The frequency for how many times a person is under investigation by a dept but the other depts are outta the loop is inexcusable. That itself needs to be addressed
I agree. We have to push elected officials to get off their ass and do something about it. They love defending law enforcement but not doing anything to improve it. That goes for both parties.
 

Simply_Black

International
International Member
If they really wanted to do something, the first thing they would do is take a study on how TV, aggressive adds, social media, and other mass media plays into the psyche of a baby born into this society. The reason why they would never do this, because it would fuck up foks 401k's and our fragial economy! Its all connected, but not in the ways most folks are comfortable addressing!


That's good... but I think the first thing to do is to have counselling session for students who have been suspended or expelled from school or suffered bullying. Notice that majority of the kids who do the school shootings have previously either been suspended or expelled or traumatised from being bullied. Ignoring kids like that is like ignoring a ticking time bomb... setting up personal and confidential counselling sessions at school or away from school premises is essential.... and more importantly don't wait for the kid to came to 'you' find out where they are and go to help them.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
I'm still waiting for a definitive definition for what an assault weapon is to finally be established. According to congress it's any semi-automatic weapon that accepts detachable magazines yet any time there's talks of an assault weapon ban the only rifle talked about is the AR15.

This clearly needs to be better defined since as of right now, the vast majority of firearms would qualify as assault weapons. And if they do filter it down, are they gonna filter it based on caliber or weapon design.

That's part of why none of Biden's nominations for director of the ATF have been successful. Even they can't come up with a clear definition for what an assault weapon is.
This is how the '94 ban defined "assault weapons":
Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, the definition of "assault weapon" included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[14]

A semi-automatic Yugoslavian M70AB2 rifle.
An Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an assault weapon under federal law.
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and has two or more of the following:
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
  • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
  • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
  • Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
  • A manufactured weight of 50 ounces (1.41kg) or more when the pistol is unloaded
  • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
  • Folding or telescoping stock
  • Pistol grip
  • A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
  • Detachable magazine.
 

RoadRage

the voice of reason
BGOL Investor
That's good... but I think the first thing to do is to have counselling session for students who have been suspended or expelled from school or suffered bullying. Notice that majority of the kids who do the school shootings have previously either been suspended or expelled or traumatised from being bullied. Ignoring kids like that is like ignoring a ticking time bomb... setting up personal and confidential counselling sessions at school or away from school premises is essential.... and more importantly don't wait for the kid to came to 'you' find out where they are and go to help them.
Counseling is great for psychological problems or problems or individual problems, but what's going on is really a social problem meaning it's a mental pandemic. To better illustrate this point just imagine if we were to deal with Covid this way, and instead of doing the social distancing and vaccines, they told us to isolate after we got sick and treat the infected only after being infected, and not look at the situation as a pandemic where the best action was avoiding the virus from spreading. In this case, it's true that helping the infected is better than nothing, but this course of action does very little to thwart the actual spread of the virus.
So I will agree that what you are suggesting is necessary for the individuals but if we want to fight against the actual disease or causative agent, then our course of action should be much more proactive.

The real question is, do we really want to stop it, and risk the economic ramifications, or do we just want to pacify the American public until the outrage goes away?
 

code_pirahna

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Federal red flag laws, universal background checks, and safe storage laws would be a good place to start.
And these are all feel good measures that wont stop shit.

None of those laws could stop a person who has a legally owned firearm from grabbing it out of their safe going and shooting up their local bus....
 

code_pirahna

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
There are no background checks for gun shows and most gun owners support having them there. 65% of Republican gun owners want background checks for private gun purchases and gun shows.
They call in the federal government when you buy a gun from a gun show.

Yall listen to too much TV.
 

cli-terminator

Retired ManWhore
BGOL Investor
And these are all feel good measures that wont stop shit.

None of those laws could stop a person who has a legally owned firearm from grabbing it out of their safe going and shooting up their local bus....
Facts. Buffalo proved that with the shooter modding his NY purchased rifle to no longer be NY compliant
 

code_pirahna

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
And what you keep saying but don't want to admit is that you and the other gun cultists in this country are ok with kids getting slaughtered as long as it means you keep your guns. Because the rest of the world shows how to stop these killings.

Also it's not the will of the voters why the laws don't change. It's the money of the NRA.
Stop with the name calling its beneath you. Sad reality is that you can t settle in your mind that the society you live in and the American you call neighbors and friends deep down will not give up their guns because some crazy people are doing crazy and stupid things.

Its not the NRA....thats the bullshit you and the media tell yourselves to feel good.

Its your fellow Amerivan citizen who wont go for that "get rid of my gun bullshit"

And you all can t face that reality that in a democracy where majority vote rules

THE MAJORITY VOTE TO KEEP THEIR GUN.
 
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