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Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Erik Morales Trilogy
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Paul Williams vs. Santos Pakau (HBO)
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Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather Jr. (HBO-Excellent Quality)
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Jeff Lacy vs. Jerald Lowe
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Jeff Lacy vs Tony Pope
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Danny Mitchell
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Dennis Milton
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Antwun Echols I
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Antwun Echols II
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Glen Johnson
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Steve Frank
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Glen Johnson-Antonio Tarver I
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Zab Judah
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Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah
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Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Erik Morales Trilogy
1st Fight (439.96MB avi)
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2nd Fight (154.88MB avi)
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3rd Fight (132.3MB wmv)
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All English commentary
Paul Williams vs. Santos Pakau (HBO)
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Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather Jr. (HBO-Excellent Quality)
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Jeff Lacy vs. Jerald Lowe
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Jeff Lacy vs Tony Pope
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Danny Mitchell
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Dennis Milton
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Antwun Echols I
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Antwun Echols II
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Glen Johnson
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Bernard Hopkins vs. Steve Frank
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Glen Johnson-Antonio Tarver I
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Zab Judah
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Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah
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A fight between them would've been classic, but imo Leonard wins a 15rd decision. I'm a huge Floyd fan but if Floyd is smart Leonard was smarter, they are both fast with the edge in speed going to Floyd tho, power, Leonard mos definitely hit harder and had more heart, and Leonard fought Legends in their prime, which sadly Floyd never has done. Now these guys..........
I'm not too sure
A fight between them would've been classic, but imo Leonard wins a 15rd decision. I'm a huge Floyd fan but if Floyd is smart Leonard was smarter, they are both fast with the edge in speed going to Floyd tho, power, Leonard mos definitely hit harder and had more heart, and Leonard fought Legends in their prime, which sadly Floyd never has done. Now these guys..........
I'm not too sure
thanks for the barrera v. hamed fight.
i thoroughly enjoy watching that sorry yemeni convict get dominated.
that fight was one of the best examples of how casual sports fans get indoctrinated into popular sports myths.
as revealed during the fight 28 out of 30 dumb ass boxing "journalists" picked naseem hamed to defeat barrera. vegas oddsmakers made barrera a 3.5:1 underdog.
how could all those supposed "experts" be so foolishly wrong?
because morons get hypnotized by flash. they stupidly pick style over substance.
naseem hamed was outmatched and outclassed by a overwhelmingly superior fighter.
naseem hamed was exposed for having a feminine backhanded slapping jab. a one trick pony. an english queer with a big left hand who didn't know how to cut off the ring.
i thoroughly enjoy watching that sorry yemeni convict get dominated.
that fight was one of the best examples of how casual sports fans get indoctrinated into popular sports myths.
as revealed during the fight 28 out of 30 dumb ass boxing "journalists" picked naseem hamed to defeat barrera. vegas oddsmakers made barrera a 3.5:1 underdog.
how could all those supposed "experts" be so foolishly wrong?
because morons get hypnotized by flash. they stupidly pick style over substance.
naseem hamed was outmatched and outclassed by a overwhelmingly superior fighter.
naseem hamed was exposed for having a feminine backhanded slapping jab. a one trick pony. an english queer with a big left hand who didn't know how to cut off the ring.
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Couldn't agree with you more brother. Barrera completed his transformation from slugger to master boxer that night. People just aren't realistic. Like I'm a huge Floyd fan but I see the dangers of fighting a guy with a style like Miguel Cotto's. Regardless of what the hardcore Floyd fans say, that WILL be his most dangerous fight, homie is NOT slow. You don't slip punches and counter Shane Mosley effectively without speed, and you don't win rds with just a jab if you ain't got skill. This guy can fight anyway you ask him to. I believe Floyd sees what I see. He's waiting for the money to be too good to turn down, if there's a chance you might lose, might as well get paid out the azz!!!!
I took the weekend off and some sneaky muphuckas tried to take a ninja's place as the OFFICIAL boxing ninja on BGOL, looks like alotta ya'll need to bone up on your boxing history to come at a brother so here you are, watch and learn
Some boxing documentaries for all my boxing historians!
Beyond The Glory - Roberto Duran.wmv
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Boxing's Best - Joe Louis.avi
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In This Corner - Benny Leonard.avi
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In This Corner - Henry Armstrong.avi
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In This Corner - Jack Johnson.avi
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In This Corner - John L. Sullivan.avi
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In This Corner - Ray Robinson.avi
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In This Corner - Willie Pep.avi
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Sports Century - Jack Dempsey.avi
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Some boxing documentaries for all my boxing historians!
Beyond The Glory - Roberto Duran.wmv
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SC3VJP5H
Boxing's Best - Joe Louis.avi
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=69QVPMFI
In This Corner - Benny Leonard.avi
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In This Corner - Henry Armstrong.avi
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In This Corner - Jack Johnson.avi
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In This Corner - John L. Sullivan.avi
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In This Corner - Ray Robinson.avi
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In This Corner - Willie Pep.avi
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Sports Century - Jack Dempsey.avi
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One of the greatest fighters of the lower weight classes.
Some early Marco Antonio Barrera fights (that's for you Cranrab)
Barrera vs. Federico Lara 1990-8-4 avi 68 MB
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Barrera vs. Juan Facundo Lopez 1991-4-13 avi 28 MB
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Barrera vs. Sergio Aguila 1991-8-31 avi 17 MB
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Barrera vs. Miguel Pina 1991-12-7 avi 28 MB
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Barrera vs. Esteban Ayala 1992-11-9 avi 99MB
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Barrera vs. Justo Zuniga 1994-3-1 avi 64 MB
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Barrera vs. Jesus Sarabria 1994-10-22 avi 90 MB
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Barrera vs. Maui Diaz 1995-7-15 avi 46 MB
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Barrera vs. Luiz Freitas 2000-6-16 avi 24 MB
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Some FOTY for ya'll. Fights of the Year.
1990-03-17 Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Meldrick Taylor I (1990 FOTY)
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1994-09-17 Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Meldrick Taylor II
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2001-07-13 Micky Ward vs. Emanuel Burton (2001 FOTY)
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1999-06-26 Paulie Ayala vs. Johnny Tapia (1999 FOTY)
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I got these ninjas reeling, the ref should stop the fight
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HOLD UP A MOTHER FUGGING MINUTE SIMP ASS. MY THREAD BEEN POPPING BEFORE YOURS. LIKE I TOLD YOU, YOU STOLE THIS SHIT FROM ANOTHER SITE. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU PIONEERED THIS BOXING HISTORY THREAD. JUST FOR THAT NEWBIE, YOU GETS NO LOVE UNTIL APOLOGIES GIVEN, FUCK THAT!!!
OH BY THE WAY, HERE'S MY ORIGINAL POST!!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=195311
SAD THAT MY 700TH POST HAD TO BE CATERED TO SIMP ASS NEWBIE'S
LOOK AT THE DATE!!!!!
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HOLD UP A MOTHER FUGGING MINUTE SIMP ASS. MY THREAD BEEN POPPING BEFORE YOURS. LIKE I TOLD YOU, YOU STOLE THIS SHIT FROM ANOTHER SITE. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU PIONEERED THIS BOXING HISTORY THREAD. JUST FOR THAT NEWBIE, YOU GETS NO LOVE UNTIL APOLOGIES GIVEN, FUCK THAT!!!
OH BY THE WAY, HERE'S MY ORIGINAL POST!!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=195311
SAD THAT MY 700TH POST HAD TO BE CATERED TO SIMP ASS NEWBIE'S
LOOK AT THE DATE!!!!!
From your backyard?
Anyway, no offense, I don't take this shit seriously homie, more like a mock-boxing match, read my last comment. And that's as much an apology as you'll get, I gives a fuck if I'm a "newbie" my post still knocks your shit the fuck out, half the links on this whole fucking site are transplanted from somewhere else so like I said who the fuck cares, I DO do my homework, so whats your point, don't try to create no smokescreen with dates and shit and how many posts you got like I or anybody else gives a fuck, it don't matter if you did your shit first or if I did mine first, proof is in the pudding so don't try to take attention away from that shit. That being said, props for at least being one of the few real boxing ninjas on BGOL, happy now?
Hold up muphucka, you stole alot of your links too, and on top of that alotta them shits don't work, damn homie, at least my "newbie" links work. And I got my shit from a boxing archive, Boxing Banter, I'm a member and I've uploaded alot of shit into their archive through Megaupload. Next time take your own advice and do your homework, which Russian sit you used Ninjashoes? They take their shit from th Boxing Banter archives, MOST boxing posts do, so again, next time take your own advice and do homework.
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A fight between them would've been classic, but imo Leonard wins a 15rd decision. I'm a huge Floyd fan but if Floyd is smart Leonard was smarter, they are both fast with the edge in speed going to Floyd tho, power, Leonard mos definitely hit harder and had more heart, and Leonard fought Legends in their prime, which sadly Floyd never has done. Now these guys..........
I'm not too sure
I know you've been puttin it down on these boxing threads, but you have doubts about Mosley and Robinson??!!! That nearly stopped me cold...
Shane was a beast at lightweight...He won just one fight by decision in that weight class; every other fight was won by KO. He beat the biggest non-heavy boxing draw in history twice...Thing about him is that he is not much of a boxer as most think he is...That's why Forrest always had his number and when he gave Winky a shot at the 154 belts, he couldn't solve Wright's defense...He's still one of the best fighters today...
Sugar Ray Robinson was just the man...just watch his fights and you'd be amazed at his skill...You say that Leonard had Hearns, Hagler, and Duran....well Robinson had LaMotta, Gavilan, Basilio, and Fullmer. And back in his day they fought about as frequent as a month between fights...Shoot, you might as well question Archie Moore and his place in boxing history...
I feel you about Mosley but no matter how many highlight films I watch of Robinson, I'm just not that impressed about him fighting all those white boys. It's like Floyd getting to fight Gatti every fight. Gavilan out of that group was the best boxer with true skill, but the rest were just brawlers, not too skilled. He fought mostly slow plodding white guys and I guess thats why I don't give him as much props as Leonard. Mosley I saw fight alot at lightweight and I believe at that weight Mosley or Duran takes Floyd but since Floyd is at welter right now I was pretty much basing my question on him fighting these guys at welter. Look I'm a big fan of Floyd's but I'm not too impressed with him lately. He's gotten all this credit this year for beating two guys who were outside of his divison. There is too much talent at welter for him to go fight an old superwelter and an undersized Brit light welter. Cotto on the other hand KO'ed Zab Judah which Floyd didn't do and he beat Mosley, a guy Floyd has been avoiding for years. I think if Coto was to fight Hatton, tht fight wouldn't last 5 rds. I mean Floyd did his damn thing against Ricky but what the fuck was up with Cortez taking a point from Hatton for "rabbit punching" (Floyd loves to turn his back on dudes) and letting Floyd elbow and forearm the shit outta that boy? I mean I'm a fan but I don't lie to myself. The hardest fight of Floyd's career will be with Cotto, he'll outpoint him but it's going to be very hard, that dude Cotto can do it all and he's NOT slow like all these Floyd fans who lie to themselves think. I don't think that fight is going to happen, the past few years Floyd has been fighting dudes he knows he can beat, safe opponents, there is a whole mess of talent at welter and for some reason Floyd don't wanna fight them. Now he's moving to MMA?!?!? C'mon Floyd say it ain't so!
I'm an "80's baby" so I can't say that I've seen Robinson's fights, but the Bert Sugar's and Teddy Atlas' of the world will tell you how good he was...I enjoy the highlights of him, Louis, Johnson, Moore, Patterson, and Ali...Robinson may have faced some brawlers, but Basilio, Maxim, Olson, and Graziano are Hall of Famers so either way he's faced some of the best all-time...
Cotto may be faster than most give credit for, but if Mayweather faced him and beat him (which I'd think he would), then what? I think Floyd should just sit on what he has now...Floyd earned about 25 mil in one year...He shouldn't have to prove much else at the welterweight division. He's paid his dues already, beating Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, and Hatton...Cotto may have KO'd Judah, but that type of fight asked for one of them to get KO'd...
Cotto-Hatton is a better draw, and Williams should have fought Cotto this year since he beat who was supposed to fight Miguel in November (Margarito). If Floyd even thinks about fighting again, it won't be until June/July and it should be against Williams/Mosley.
Cotto may be faster than most give credit for, but if Mayweather faced him and beat him (which I'd think he would), then what? I think Floyd should just sit on what he has now...Floyd earned about 25 mil in one year...He shouldn't have to prove much else at the welterweight division. He's paid his dues already, beating Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, and Hatton...Cotto may have KO'd Judah, but that type of fight asked for one of them to get KO'd...
Cotto-Hatton is a better draw, and Williams should have fought Cotto this year since he beat who was supposed to fight Miguel in November (Margarito). If Floyd even thinks about fighting again, it won't be until June/July and it should be against Williams/Mosley.
I feel you bruh, but, the Floyd who beat Corrales, Castillo(Floyd lost the first fight dude!) ain't the same Floyd who's been pissing off fans(me!) by not fighting the best in HIS division. He's give himself too much credit for beating Bruseles(a nobody), Baldomir(need I say more?) and ancient Arturo Gatti. De La Hoya was an old man and still gave him a solid fight, and Hatton is a midget who had no business being in the same ring as Floyd. If Floyd were to retire today, and you checked his opponents during his prime years 26-32, the names on the list are hardly impressive, especially considering there were many other fighters he could've faced. And believe me, styles make fights, I used to box in my teens and early twenties, I definitely see the style matchup not favoring Floyd should he and Cotto step in the ring. Cotto can fight any which way u ask him to. He's a very skilled boxer and he has Floyd's kryptonite, a very quick stiff jab. It's like nobody's noticed how much trouble Floyd has avoiding a good jab, check the De La Hoya fight especially, Floyd was able to come on strong only after Oscar stopped using his jab for some reason(age and no legs). People also don't see how Floyd does not fight for the first 5 rds of the fight and lets you wear YOURSELF down by chasing him. A methodical dude like Cotto has the perfect style, size, strength, punching power, footwork and quickness to make it a very bad night for Floyd. Even as big a fan I am of Floyd and his whole fam, I see these things and believe me Floyd does too, and THAT is the only reason this fight hasn't happened yet. Floyd's whole reasoning is, "if I'm going to put myself in that much danger of losing they are going to have to pay me out the azz" and this fight ain't worth that much, YET. And yo I thought he made about 25mil this year and someone on Fox Sports told me it's more like 50mil off the 2 fights he had this year. Williams is a volume puncher with no heart who will be exposed soon. The real action matchup at welter right now is Cotto/Margarito. Cotto would kill Hatton and outpoint Oscar right now. And Robinson was great no doubt, but I just can't give him credit for beating a bunch of white boys who were nowhere near his level(even if they are in the HOF). That being said I think he's important bcause he left behind the blueprint for the modern style of boxing, he passed his style of boxing to dudes like Ali, Leonard, Mayweather, De La Hoya and alot of other fighters, would he beat every welter in Leonard's era(the greatest welter era), I doubt it.
walter smith jr gets my vote.
he fought for 25 years, had over 100 KOs and many people don't know that he fought without much of his eyesight in his later years. they simply thought that is skills had diminished due to AGE and moving up in weight class.
RIP sugar ray robinson, who died in los angeles not far from where i lived, in 1989
Walker Smith Jr.
Very true, gotta be great to KO a hundred muphuckas no matter who your fighting. My point is that historians call him the greatest p4p and I think Leonard or Hearns or even Sugar Shane would've beaten him. In my opinion the greatest p4p skills I've ever seen on a fighter is Roy Jones Jr. He had awesome speed tho, best skills I've ever seen all around on a not-so-fast dude is James Toney, that muphcka perfected that over the shoulder defense. For that era that he fought in he was the p4p best fighter in the world. And honestly Floyd never been in a life and death fight where he had to struggle to pull out a win, so theoretically ANY of those guys that I put on the vote could beat Floyd. Floyd would be great in any era, but in the past eras where you HAD to fight the absolute best fighters in your division like in Leonard or Robinson's era, he wouldn't be undefeated. Imagine him fighting a tall boxing master like Benitez or a long, quick deadly puncher like Hearns, or going to war at lightweight with a fast, whirlwind muphucka like Duran who could put your head out no matter how fast you were, or tryin to fight off the ropes with Aaron Pryor throwin shots at him from every angle. I love watchin Floyd fight, I appreciate his craftsmanship, the talking shit, all that, but when he says he's the greatest EVER, I find that shit kind of offensive,lol. I mean like you said bruh, if that's real, Ray fighting damn near blind and still winning, and we grew up seeing Leonard and Mosley doin their thing, then Floyd got a long way to go to build that kind of resume.
Congratulations to Larry Holmes on his induction to the Boxing Hall of Fame, bout time he got his dues, white folks never forgave him for that Rocky Marciano shit. Even though it was real.
I may look like a Cotto hater here, but I don't see how he can beat Floyd. His old style where he walks down his opponents is tailor-made for Mayweather to jab him to death, and any body shots that Cotto throws gets either blocked or slipped off...He showed that against De La Hoya, who tried to make that his game plan, and against Hatton, which is always his game plan...Shoot, even Mosley was able to nullify that in the 2nd half of the fight against Cotto, then ended up stalking him...Which to this day is the reason why I say that Mosley won that fight.
I give credit to Mayweather now because we're in an age where great fights are fairly hard to come by thanks to the Kings and DiBellas and shaws of the world...There are/were so many chances that Floyd could've fought some named fighters in the division, but if you can criticize him, then the same has to go for Roy Jones Jr...
Larry Holmes is probably one of the most underrated fighters ever mainly because he ruled the post 70s era after Ali, Frazier, Foreman, and Norton...He may have been great inside the ring, but my favorite moment of him was outside of it...
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I give credit to Mayweather now because we're in an age where great fights are fairly hard to come by thanks to the Kings and DiBellas and shaws of the world...There are/were so many chances that Floyd could've fought some named fighters in the division, but if you can criticize him, then the same has to go for Roy Jones Jr...
Larry Holmes is probably one of the most underrated fighters ever mainly because he ruled the post 70s era after Ali, Frazier, Foreman, and Norton...He may have been great inside the ring, but my favorite moment of him was outside of it...
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I may look like a Cotto hater here, but I don't see how he can beat Floyd. His old style where he walks down his opponents is tailor-made for Mayweather to jab him to death, and any body shots that Cotto throws gets either blocked or slipped off...He showed that against De La Hoya, who tried to make that his game plan, and against Hatton, which is always his game plan...Shoot, even Mosley was able to nullify that in the 2nd half of the fight against Cotto, then ended up stalking him...Which to this day is the reason why I say that Mosley won that fight.
I give credit to Mayweather now because we're in an age where great fights are fairly hard to come by thanks to the Kings and DiBellas and shaws of the world...There are/were so many chances that Floyd could've fought some named fighters in the division, but if you can criticize him, then the same has to go for Roy Jones Jr...
Larry Holmes is probably one of the most underrated fighters ever mainly because he ruled the post 70s era after Ali, Frazier, Foreman, and Norton...He may have been great inside the ring, but my favorite moment of him was outside of it...
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Mosley nullified his power by clinching and holding, and he didn't win the rest of the fight, he was getting jabbed and counterpunched to death, so I don't see it. I mean when Floyd does what Cotto did the 2nd half of the fight, people call it "boxing", so why when Cotto does it it's running all of a sudden. You can stalk a guy all you want but if you're still outpointed......Cotto is alot younger than and quicker than Oscar is right now and he doesn't just come forward, he can box laterally or box moving backwards. Hatton doesn't have any skills or a jab or size so don't compare him to Cotto, and Oscar's plan with his jab was winning him rds, Floyd took over when Oscar stopped jabbing or the fight would've had a different outcome, Ricky doesn't jab at all, and Zab beat Floyd the first half of the fight with basically a jab. Floyd loves to jump in and throw combos, if you keep a jab in his face it offsets his timing. You guys are sleeping on that dude Cotto, I didn't say he'd win, I said the opposite in fact, but it will be Floyd's hardest fight.
And I always felt that about Roy, I just don't think he avoided anybody due to fear of losing, because in the divisions he fought in, minus heavyweight, I can't see anybody in history beating Roy throughout the middle, supermiddle, light-heavy and cruiserweight divisions, his skills were just fucking ridiculous. Remember what he did to Toney? And James was the p4p best in the world at that point. Mayweather's boxing skills don't really compare with Roy's, May got speed and reflexes but he's not really a boxer by traditional definition, May is strictly a defensive fighter, if you remove his speed, ain't much left, whereas you take a guy like J.M. Marquez and he's not fast but his boxing skills allow him to dominate dudes much faster and younger than him. Great timing can beat great speed.
But Floyd won't slip off or block too many body shots from Cotto, the best attribute Cotto has is that he's methodical and patient and he gets stronger as the fight gets deeper. Floyd let's dudes have the fiorst 5 or 6 rds and then he comes on, he's not going to be able to do that. I mean dude, just the fact that Cotto beat Zab and Shane in the same year and then Floyd says "I don't see any reason to fight Cotto", that's gotta let you know something. He said he fought Ricky because Rick called him out, if Cotto had called him out I wonder if he woulda come out his "retirement". If Floyd gets fighter of the year honors for beating Hatton and Oscar they will have robbed Cotto because beating Zab and Shane is tougher than beating an old man and a hobbit. Don't get me wrong, Floyd got nothing left to prove in my eyes he's already great, I just really want to see him fight the very best, like Oscar who only fights the best fighters whether he wins or loses. THAT'S what makes great fighters. But Yo the Berbick/Holmes fight outside the ring was fuckin classic! And R.I.P. to Trevor Berbick, last man to beat Ali.
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To me, Cotto suprised Mosley in the first few rounds with his speed and caught him with the jab...That's why IMO Cotto won 4 of the first 6 rounds. When Shane changed his game plan in the 7th by bouncing around and moving, Cotto took a couple rounds to adjust to it...Shane had a lot more success with power punches throughout the fight. When he tagged Cotto in the 9th and backed him up, Cotto was backing up the rest of the fight, which was opposite of what he usually does. In the 2nd half of the fight, the only round that I clearly gave to Cotto was the 10th.
The perception of Cotto "running" is because of his rep of stalking down his opponents. When Mosley ended up doing that to him in the last half, that's what gave Mosley the edge in most people's view.
Remove Floyd's speed and you get B-Hop. Both of those guys (along with Toney now) have an uncanny ability to see their opponents punches and slip them to give them less power than originally intended. I can say that I have never seen a fighter have that type of ability that Floyd has...Great timing can beat great speed? That might be the case at times, but Floyd has both...He showed it against Hatton, Baldomir, and Judah (who most say is faster than Mayweather). Roy and Floyd aren't similar because in Roy's day he was more of an offensive-minded fighter than Floyd is, but Roy probably is a better counter-puncher, and with the power that he had he could follow those punches up to knock down/out his opponents...
I kind of see what you're saying that Floyd should fight the best like Oscar did, but the difference is that the main reason that Oscar fought some of the best was because he was THE attraction in boxing since 1994. It didn't matter who he fought...sure he made the decision on who he wanted to fight, but he could've fought a real life Glass Joe and still sell out Mandalay Bay, MGM Grand Garden, or the Staples Center. As far as selling tickets, you can put Oscar with Hatton in England and Calzaghe in Wales. If Floyd had more of an engaging style like De La Hoya, Trinidad, or Mayorga, more "casual" fans would be interested in going to his fights...
I feel you about Mosley but, you can come forward all you want, if you're getting effectively counterpunched....anyway, I only had Cotto by 1 point, he tired himself out by trying to break from those clinches instead of staying cool and letting the ref do his job. He didn't expect Shane to be as strong as he was or stronger. And I've always said the same thing about Floyd, not since the Corrales fight has he really shown his full arsenal. Listen, people say he's a drawing card, I disagree. When he fought Arturo Gatti in Atlantic City, most of those people who were in the sold-out arena were there to see Gatti, the hometown hero, the Oscar fight is a no-brainer as to who was the draw, and all those Brits who came to see Hatton is what sold out the place. I found out that Floyd has never sold out an arena based on just his popularity and he never will, if Floyd changes his style he has to take more chances and I think May is too in love with his undefeated record. I'd love to see him fight Cotto but not if he's going to run around the ring elbowing and forearming the shit out of Cotto. We caught glimpses of the old Floyd in the Hatton fight but it was a sloppy fight on both ends. The fight I'm waiting for right now is J.M. Marquez vs Manny Pacquiao.
I really didn't want to go into this thread, because I knew if I did, I'd watch every match. But now that I have the next few days off, I will visit this thread frequently. Thank you very much.
BTW- Thanks for the Barrera/Hamed fight. Would you happed to have the two Junior Jones/Barrera fights?
BTW- Thanks for the Barrera/Hamed fight. Would you happed to have the two Junior Jones/Barrera fights?
I really didn't want to go into this thread, because I knew if I did, I'd watch every match. But now that I have the next few days off, I will visit this thread frequently. Thank you very much.
BTW- Thanks for the Barrera/Hamed fight. Would you happed to have the two Junior Jones/Barrera fights?
You're quite welcome bruh, I'ma be kinda busy next couple of hours, with my relatives finally going home
so when I get back from JFK I'll get those fights and post'em. By the way what do ya'll think about Old Man Roy vs Old Man Tito. I say Tito still can't fuck with Roy even at his age but one shot lands flush from a dude like Tito and Roy's going to be asking "yo,what happened?"
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I really didn't want to go into this thread, because I knew if I did, I'd watch every match. But now that I have the next few days off, I will visit this thread frequently. Thank you very much.
BTW- Thanks for the Barrera/Hamed fight. Would you happed to have the two Junior Jones/Barrera fights?
Aiite here's that fight you wanted bruh, having trouble tracking down the 2nd fight so if anyone gets they hands on it, please post.
Barrera vs Junior Jones 1st fight good quality, great KO.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T7HO40P5
So what ya'll think about this rematch.......
I think sparks are going to fly all over again, Jermain beat himself the first fight, he had homie basically KO'ed and just went crazy and punched himself out. Jermain has to prove that he's not a simple minded dude, and come in with a plan and carry it out. I think Taylor has been getting over with athleticism more than skill. He's never really beaten another good fighter decisively. Pavlik has to prove he ain't no one-trick pony with a glass jaw, so they both have alot to prove. But like Israel Vazquez did this summer I think ?Jermain will redeem himself in the rematch.
I think sparks are going to fly all over again, Jermain beat himself the first fight, he had homie basically KO'ed and just went crazy and punched himself out. Jermain has to prove that he's not a simple minded dude, and come in with a plan and carry it out. I think Taylor has been getting over with athleticism more than skill. He's never really beaten another good fighter decisively. Pavlik has to prove he ain't no one-trick pony with a glass jaw, so they both have alot to prove. But like Israel Vazquez did this summer I think ?Jermain will redeem himself in the rematch.
Jones vs. Trinidad - As much as I don't like RJJ, I favor him in this match due to him being able to handle the weight...Tito is jumping two weight classes and hasn't fought in two years. I really don't know if he has changed his game since then, because his style would be to Roy's liking, as he loves to couterpunch...
Taylor/Pavlik - I have Pavlik again in the rematch...Taylor has proved nothing in 6 fights as far as defense goes, his left hand is down by his waist all the time, and all that had to happen was for someone with power to continually exploit that (which Pavlik did) to finish him. Jermain had a Hall of Fame trainer in Emanuel Steward at his corner and didn't listen to him...I remember the fight against Spinks when Manny was cussin him out for not following directions. Now w/o Manny, I think Taylor may be out even sooner this time around.
Taylor/Pavlik - I have Pavlik again in the rematch...Taylor has proved nothing in 6 fights as far as defense goes, his left hand is down by his waist all the time, and all that had to happen was for someone with power to continually exploit that (which Pavlik did) to finish him. Jermain had a Hall of Fame trainer in Emanuel Steward at his corner and didn't listen to him...I remember the fight against Spinks when Manny was cussin him out for not following directions. Now w/o Manny, I think Taylor may be out even sooner this time around.
I feel u mayne, but don't be too quick to forget that Pavlik was basically out, Jermain had never really been in a big fight with another taented fighter like Pavlik, he hurt Pavlik bad in the second round and didnt get him out of there because of inexperience and overzealousness, had it been a more experienced fighter in there with Kelly he wouldn't be champ right now, so they BOTH have alot to prove, but you're right, he didn't listen to Manny.
Me personally, I never thought Jermain and Steward had good chemistry from the jump, and although I respect Manny to death I just didn't feel he was right for Taylor personality wise. Birmingham is a more in-your-grill dude, which a quiet, respectful dude like Jermain needs. I think Pavlik is the truth, the only thing that I found alarming was his lack of speed, but other than that, he's good all around and most importantly we know he has the heart to get off the canvas and win. Jermain has to prove he still has his heart and that Pavlik didn't take it back to Ohio with him along with Jermains belts.
I think Roy at this point in his career is too crafty, the only thing that could hurt him against Trinidad is the fact that his legs have completely failed him in his "old age", being that Tito WILL take his power with him up the ladder, Jones will have to do alot of fighting off the ropes and he will take punches, but lucky for him Tito is allergic to throwing body shots, but all it takes to KO Roy is one lucky shot and if Tito is anything he's accurate with his punches. Also is the issue of weight with Roy, can he fight comfortably at 170, he is 39 years old, I'll bet Tito will handle the weight better than Roy. He won't lose any speed, can't lose what you never had.
Whoever wins, I'd like to see them fight Pavlik or Calzaghe. I think Tito has the perfect style to take out Pavlik, tite defense, great chin, and explosive power in either hand, because Kelly's chin is suspect. Put it this way, had it been Tito in the ring instead of Jermain, Pavlik never would have made it out of the second round. I like Kelly and he'll probably win that rematch but I'll be rooting for Jermain.
I felt that Taylor knocked Pav down because Pav thought he could scrap with Taylor non-stop...Kelly dropped his guard and got caught with two good ones to set up the knockdown. Afterwards he knew to hold on to Taylor b/c Jermain didn't know how to finish...Kelly's too technically sound for Jermain and has the power (as we saw) to take him down, so that's why I favor Pavlik. Plus more contenders for the middleweight belt want Pavlik to win because they could get a better chance to fight him than Taylor, especially Winky Wright...
(Belts aren't on the line, but an undefeated Pavlik would be great for 160-lb. contenders. A win for Taylor delays the defense of the belts until July/August of 08...)
The winner of Jones/Trinidad may not fight Calzaghe if Joe does fight B-Hop next year. If that's the case, then the winner will SERIOUSLY be rooting for Calzaghe to win...B-Hop beat the crap out of Tito, and we all know about him and Jones...I really think that if Hopkins has any idea that if Jones beats Tito and he beats Joe, then there's nowhere for Roy to go other than to finally give Hopkins that rematch. Only then will I believe that Hopkins will hang it up if that happens.
(Belts aren't on the line, but an undefeated Pavlik would be great for 160-lb. contenders. A win for Taylor delays the defense of the belts until July/August of 08...)
The winner of Jones/Trinidad may not fight Calzaghe if Joe does fight B-Hop next year. If that's the case, then the winner will SERIOUSLY be rooting for Calzaghe to win...B-Hop beat the crap out of Tito, and we all know about him and Jones...I really think that if Hopkins has any idea that if Jones beats Tito and he beats Joe, then there's nowhere for Roy to go other than to finally give Hopkins that rematch. Only then will I believe that Hopkins will hang it up if that happens.
That's a sound analysis mayne, but Roy might throw a monkey wrench in Hopkins whole shit, I just saw a Friday Night Fights interview with Roy and he said the first thing he's doin after he whup Tito's azz is buy a plane ticket to Wales. Roy knows and we all know that a fight between him and Joe will generate more paper than a fight between Hopkins and Calzaghe because lets face it, these 2 are boring fighters as far as the general public goes, we who know the game appreciate the skill that it takes to fight at that level constantly.
Although Hopkins has built up his name in sports circles as a boxing legend, he's still not a main attraction-type dude, Roy is, a fight between him and Joe would be like Mayweather/Hatton all over again, only this time on British turf. Roy actually had flashes of brilliance in his last fight with Hanshaw, who is a pretty good young fighter. Plus by the time they do fight if it happens, Roy would be 40 years old and coming off of beating a legend in Trinidad, also Don King would be involved which would up the ante on the paper, not that Golden Boy is aving any problems generating paper but Don is the master of promotion even if he is as corrupt a muphucka as they come.
I don't know if Pavlik will be able to fight at 160 for too much longer. I think 168 is right around the corner for both of these dudes. Maybe we'll see a Pavlik/Lacy or Taylor/Lacy matchup, maybe Lacy/Trinidad, I mean sheeeet, Lacy could use a muphuckin handout right now and Golden Boy gotta try to recoup what they spendin on a bust like Lacy. But I give him mega-props for making me 1500 in losing to Calzaghe, thanks Jeff.
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I'm hearing things about a possible scrap between these two on May 5th
That's why I always gave props to Oscar man, no tune-up fights, he only fights the best, win or lose. And this is a fight I could see him winning. Although I can also see Cotto giving him a beating too though. Either way it would be a good fight at the very least. Both dudes always come to fight.
But it seems like everyone is forgetting this dude.
Margarito would give either Cotto or Oscar a very solid fight.
That's why I always gave props to Oscar man, no tune-up fights, he only fights the best, win or lose. And this is a fight I could see him winning. Although I can also see Cotto giving him a beating too though. Either way it would be a good fight at the very least. Both dudes always come to fight.
But it seems like everyone is forgetting this dude.
Margarito would give either Cotto or Oscar a very solid fight.
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Excellent boxing post. Hope you don'tmind if I put boxing news in here from time to time.