merce77's Classic Boxing Thread, tape them hands up before you enter!!!!

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Okay here goes...

On the days leading up to the Mayweather/Hatton fight, Joe and B-Hop had a little confrontation to get more interest in them fighting in Yankee Stadium. Joe said after his win against Kessler (and after the Manfredo fight) that he would love to fight Hopkins in the US, so now that fight is in the works to be signed...They have to do it quick because like you said merce, Roy will be quick to call up Joe for a fight, especially if he performs well at MSG (which will have a lot of Tito fans there imo)

The 168 lb. division would welcome the addition of Taylor or Pavlik late in the year, while they already have Green, Bute, Bika, Kessler, and Mundine. Lacy has not been the same since that Calzaghe fight, as evidenced in his battle with Tsypko in Tampa where he injured his shoulder so bad that he barely could use it then (and should have lost that decision) and against Manfredo when he could've easily knocked Manfredo out. Next year may be questionable for him if he plans to get back in the title hunt. With his condition, I wouldn't be sure to favor him over Pavlik, Kessler, Mundine, or Bute. Lacy/Taylor or Lacy/Bika would be great matchups, and Green has called him out for over a year...

I'm not suprised that De La Hoya would fight Cotto on May 6th, he was thinking either Cotto or Hatton for that fight depending on who was going to be undefeated by then...I would favor Cotto in this one b/c Oscar doesn't seem to stick with his game plan throughout the fight (tires out in later rounds) and he hasn't had much success against the elite fighters...

Margarito has been caught between a rock and a hard place after his loss to Williams. The only fight I see in his immediate future is a rematch (I wonder why it didn't happen in Nov/Dec), but that's shot down because Paul's fighting Quintana...Cintron/Clottey is in line to happen for the IBF belt, and if Oscar/Cotto happens, then he's really in trouble...Who's left for him? Berto? Gomez? Judah? He loses out by taking on any of those guys...

 

[merce77]

Excellent boxing post. Hope you don'tmind if I put boxing news in here from time to time.

Mos definitely homie, do yer damn thing, if anybody wants to add anything pertaining to boxing, please be my guest

 

[merce77]

Okay here goes...

On the days leading up to the Mayweather/Hatton fight, Joe and B-Hop had a little confrontation to get more interest in them fighting in Yankee Stadium. Joe said after his win against Kessler (and after the Manfredo fight) that he would love to fight Hopkins in the US, so now that fight is in the works to be signed...They have to do it quick because like you said merce, Roy will be quick to call up Joe for a fight, especially if he performs well at MSG (which will have a lot of Tito fans there imo)

The 168 lb. division would welcome the addition of Taylor or Pavlik late in the year, while they already have Green, Bute, Bika, Kessler, and Mundine. Lacy has not been the same since that Calzaghe fight, as evidenced in his battle with Tsypko in Tampa where he injured his shoulder so bad that he barely could use it then (and should have lost that decision) and against Manfredo when he could've easily knocked Manfredo out. Next year may be questionable for him if he plans to get back in the title hunt. With his condition, I wouldn't be sure to favor him over Pavlik, Kessler, Mundine, or Bute. Lacy/Taylor or Lacy/Bika would be great matchups, and Green has called him out for over a year...

I'm not suprised that De La Hoya would fight Cotto on May 6th, he was thinking either Cotto or Hatton for that fight depending on who was going to be undefeated by then...I would favor Cotto in this one b/c Oscar doesn't seem to stick with his game plan throughout the fight (tires out in later rounds) and he hasn't had much success against the elite fighters...

Margarito has been caught between a rock and a hard place after his loss to Williams. The only fight I see in his immediate future is a rematch (I wonder why it didn't happen in Nov/Dec), but that's shot down because Paul's fighting Quintana...Cintron/Clottey is in line to happen for the IBF belt, and if Oscar/Cotto happens, then he's really in trouble...Who's left for him? Berto? Gomez? Judah? He loses out by taking on any of those guys...

Feel you. Good points. Margarito is the odd-man out right now in that division, and I am questioning why Williams didn't give him a chance to win his title back. But judging by how Williams looked in the later rounds of their fight when Margarito was all over him, I can see why. I think Williams is highly overrated, I see nothing but a volume puncher who outworks dudes, not the second coming of Tommy Hearns like a lot of fans are building him up to be. He's a big guy who doesn't like contact, he'll be exposed soon imo.
No smaller dudes at 147 want to fight him, which would mean that a move to 154 is inevitable for him, especially due to his height and his young age. I can see Vernon Forrest taking him apart right now, Vernon's looked stellar his last couple of fights which is why it's been so hard for him to get fights. Come to think of it, him and Oscar would make a great matchup, but a matchup that certainly doesn't favor Oscar, and very lil monetary gain for him when you look at the risk.
I also read something about Mayweather saying that even if he's active this year in boxing, he doesn't see any reason to fight Cotto. If it's confirmed that he said that, they should take his 147 title away, "say it ain't so May". The writer also said that if he continues to not fight the best fighters who aren't old or out of his division, then he deserves the trashing that he's going to get from the public.

 

[tp2001]

Lemme post some news that I found and then I'll analyze it all (or at least attempt it...)

Margarito Wants Cintron To Put Up or Shut Up

By Rick Reeno

After hearing about the recents comments made by trainer Emanuel Steward on BoxingScene.com, regarding Kermit Cintron (29-1, 27KOs) ordering him to line up a rematch with Antonio Margarito (35-5, 25KOs), Margarito's manager Sergio Diaz contacted BoxingScene with a response.

Diaz says Cintron, the reigning IBF welterweight champion, talks a good game, but if he really wants Margarito - he should stop with the press releases and the public challenges and let their promoters do the talking.

We have our promoter, Top Rank, and they have their promoter, Main Events. It's not about press releases and challenges made to us directly. Their promoter has to talk to our promoter. If the money is right, the fight will happen," Diaz said. "But first, he needs to talk to his promoter and they have to contact Top Rank. If it make sense it's going to happen. If it doesn't make sense, then we look for something else."
Margarito is slated to return in March or possibly April. Several names have been mentioned as possible opponents, including Zab Judah, but nothing is set in stone. Diaz says Margarito will fight anyone, whether it's Cintron or Judah or another big name.

"Tony told me, 'whoever they say I'm going to fight, I'll fight. Whoever Top Rank puts in front of me, I'm going to fight. I'll fight anybody, whether it's a big fight or a tuneup fight, that's what I'm going to do.'

http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=11850

 

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Paul Williams Camp: "Kermit Cintron is Heartless"

By Rick Reeno

There is no shortage of drama in the welterweight division. Several months ago, WBO welterweight champion Paul Williams (33-0, 24 KOs) and IBF champion Kermit Cintron were trading words in the media. After a few weeks of verbal back-and-forth, the promoters of the two fighters, Goossen Tutor and Main Events, came together to make the fight happen. Shortly thereafter, a deal was stuck and the fight was agreed upon for a main event slot on a February 2 tripleheader. HBO was scheduled to televise.

There was one final hurdle before the fight could move forward, Cintron had a title defense scheduled for November 23 against unheralded Jesse Feliciano. As most had expected, Cintron won, but the fight was much tougher than anyone could have predicted. Following a final combination of punches in the tenth-round, which forced the referee to stop the fight, Cintron was walking back to his corner when he abruptly crumbled in pain. It was later found that Cintron had suffered severe ligament damage in his right hand and he withdrew from the Williams fight. Williams will now face Carlos Quintana in the main event of an HBO televised card on February 9.

Cintron recently issued a press release, calling out Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto, but one name was missing from his list of challenges - Paul Williams. Emanuel Steward, trainer of Cintron, told BoxingScene.com that his fighter has issued a direct order to make a rematch with Magarito. Steward said "his preference is for a fight with Margarito."

Williams, trainer/manager George Peterson, and promoter Dan Goossen are outraged over Cintron's recent challenge of Margarito.

Speaking with BoxingScene.com, Williams feels that Cintron is looking for any exit to avoid a fight with him.

"He's looking for a lifeline. He still had an opportunity to fight me on February 9," Williams said. "He said he wants to unify the titles, Margarito has no title. He don't want to unify the titles. He had the hand flu and his hand flu is just about over. What's his next excuse?"

Promoter Dan Goosen was equally upset and broke down the negotiations while speaking with BoxingScene.

"Sometimes they say a picture says a thousand words. In his press release, there were seven words 'I don't want to fight Paul Williams.' I found it amusing that we had a agreement in place to fight on Feb. 2 and then he got injured. We were willing to give him the time to heal until March 29 and gave him that opportunity and they said he wouldn't be ready," Goossen said.

“Now we see this press release that he wants to fight the guy that Paul just beat. He's trying to distance himself from Paul Williams as much as possible. That tells us as much as we need to know. No fan or champion respects what he just did. I hear he's been given the go-ahead to begin training in January and he would of been available for the March date. I don’t want ever demean a fighter, but when you come with something so transparent, I have to comment on it. This is something that goes way past ducking. This is an agreement we had in place, a date we had in place and a deal with HBO we had in place. This isn’t ducking, this is running at light speed to distance himself from Paul Williams.”

While some may say Goossen was being a bit hard on Cintron, others may consider his words as being kind, at least when comparing them to outrage felt by Peterson. Peterson doesn’t buy the seriousness of Cintron’s injury and in his opinion, Cintron was never going to fight Williams in the first place.

“We knew all along the fight would never happen. Cintron did all that drama when he fought Jesse Feliciano. He’s trying to save face on the website. He trying to win people over by saying he wants to fight these people. He could be fighting Paul right now,” Peterson said. "We knew it was never going to take place. He realized after the fight that he still had Paul and went into theatrics and falls on the mat and rolls and rolls and rolls. He never mentioned Paul Williams again, everyone could see right through that.”

“He gets on the internet and calls out people. That's not how fights gets done. He has a problem. He has no heart, he’s heartless. He needs to go back to Sesame Street, Kermit The Frog. He looked lesser than an amateur against Feliciano. He looked terrible. He was about 30-seconds away going into his theatrical moves. Feliciano would have won that fight. Cintron would have quit in another 45-seconds. Cintron was leveling them punches and showed no handicap with that right hand whatsoever. He can't fool nobody. He needs to be arrested for felony fraud for putting on that kind of drama in the ring.”

Cintron was far from the only fighter that Williams pursued for the February date. Goossen tells BoxingScene that former welterweight champion Zab Judah was approached and wanted no part of Williams. They also went after Margarito, who also turned down the fight.

“I was reading something the other day, where Zab Judah acted like we didn’t even pursue him for the fight. Our first choice after Cintron pulled out was Zab Judah and not only did we try to make the fight and they said no, I came like Howie Mandell, the host of Deal or No Deal, with all the cash I was ready to give away to make the fight happen,” Goossen said.

“After Zab, then it was Margarito. He said he was robbed so we were ready to do the rematch immediately and he didn't want to do it. Quintana was one of the few who accepted the fight. He’s only loss is to Cotto, who many feel is the best welterweight in the world. If you lose to Cotto, there is no shame it. He’s certainly a man showing that he's willing fight anybody.”

Article continued at http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=11854

 

[tp2001]

Here's what I'm looking at with these news posts I just put down...

Paul Williams is talking a lot of noise...He (or his promoter/trainer) is saying that he offerered to fight Margarito in a rematch or Cintron for belt unification and both turned down...A couple years ago, it was Margarito that couldn't get the title holders or big name fighters to fight him. If Paul beats Quintana, then the door is basically open for him...A Mosley fight looks good, and one that Shane may take since he never backs down from anyone, so that may be Paul's next fight in 2008.

Margarito doesn't mind a rematch with either Cintron or Williams. He may end up fighting Cintron by April...He has to fight somebody soon, or he'll be right back to where he was in 2005 when he beat Cintron the first time...Looking for people to fight but there are no takers...

I also saw that Forrest may fight Mayorga since Ricardo beat Vargas...Oscar is just looking for the big money fight now...He's gunning for Cotto at 147 when Forrest and Wright could fight him at 154. This could be his last fight (Oscar) because after Cotto there's no other fighters that could generate that much revenue in the US, other than maybe Hatton...

A division that is getting slept on now is the 140lb. division since Hatton went up to fight Floyd. Witter seems like he will hold out until Ricky fights him (and Hatton should fight him after calling out Floyd), D-Hop is on the rise, Malignaggi/Ngoudjo is coming up, and Torres will defend his title in February.

 

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Like mentioned before, Forrest is looking for a big-money fight with De La Hoya, but may have no problem fighting Mayorga instead.

Forrest Unleashed, Wants To End Mayorga's Life

Former United States President Teddy Roosevelt once asserted that if you “speak softly and carry a big stick, you will go far.” For most of his career, WBC Super Welterweight champion Vernon Forrest has adhered to Roosevelt’s moniker.

Today, Forrest continues to speak thoughtfully and with sophisticated eloquence, especially when referring to his resurgence in 2007. Finally able to train properly after years of dealing with a painful shoulder injury, Forrest called the recent year “gratifying,” adding that wins over Carlos Baldomir and Michele Piccirillo solidified his best year since 2002.

Viewed in the eyes of many as the “Comeback Fighter of the Year” in 2007, Forrest believes there is much more to accomplish in 2008. With renewed confidence in his patented right hand and a spring in his slippery step, “The Viper” is convinced that he will continue to shake things up this year. However, while he is eager to move forward with fights in the New Year, he can’t help but to look into his past for possible opponents.

Citing a long-standing desire to fight the Golden Boy, Forrest did not hesitate to name Oscar De La Hoya as his ideal next opponent. While many are hopeful that they will be chosen by the cash cow De La Hoya as his next opponent, “The Viper” argues that a clash between he and Oscar would feature an entertaining contrast in styles. Forrest added that since Oscar prefers to fight another marketable opponent, he should look no further than the Georgia native for his May contest.

“De La Hoya is looking to fight in May and I think he’d be the perfect fight for me,” Forrest said. “De La Hoya has always had a problem with slick fighters. He’s just had problems with mobile fighters. I pose a great challenge for him in terms of what I’m capable of doing. I am slightly bigger than he is and it would be his left hook vs. my right hand.”

Even though some would argue that Forrest lacks the drawing power to entice De La Hoya, it is hard to debate that Forrest could present problems for Oscar. For starters, Forrest has the ability to slip punches with ease and does not resist the urge to fire back with straight right hands. Moreover, given that De La Hoya has a love-hate relationship with his jab over the course of a bout, the opportunity for a well-conditioned Forrest to control the middle to late rounds is great. Thanks to a knack for pouncing on foes that switch to cruise control midway through a fight, Forrest would be a dangerous opponent for De La Hoya.

With that said, though, Forrest is cognizant of the fact that De La Hoya dissects future opponents largely based on their earning power. Still, while some would argue that Miguel Cotto, fresh off a victory over Shane Mosley, is a better opponent for Oscar, Forrest hopes that no one has forgotten what he has done in the ring. After all, he owns victories over “Sugar” Shane, too.

“It used to bother me greatly when I couldn’t get the marquee fighters,” Forrest said, adding that outside of Mosley and Ricardo Mayorga, the obstacles of landing big fights have always been present. “My whole career I’ve fought the risk fights. I’m now a marquee guy trying to fight other marquee fighters.”

To no one’s surprise, Forrest makes no bones about his desire to fight Mayorga for a third time if a bout with De La Hoya cannot be made. Often reserved in his commentary, the usually charitable Forrest chose not to speak so softly this time, verbally teeing off on Mayorga unlike ever before. Still miffed over the venom Mayorga spewed prior to their bouts in 2003, Forrest offered only one precise statement regarding “El Matador.”

“When I say this, I mean it in all sincerity,” Forrest said, speaking slowly to add effect. “When and if Mayorga and Forrest fight again, in the trilogy, I’m not trying to win the fight. I’m trying to end his career.

“No,” Forrest corrected himself. “I’m trying to end his life.”

When pressed to explain his rather bold statement, Forrest offered that no other person besides Mayorga would receive such harsh words. Yet in light of two emotional fights with the Nicaraguan, Forrest hinted that there was more at stake. As he spoke, it became clear though that it had little to do with the actual nuts and bolts of their last, hotly contested bout.

“He said some things that you shouldn’t say to other human beings,” Forrest said, choosing not to elaborate. “I shouldn’t and wouldn’t say that statement to other human beings, but I’ll say it to him.”

Although his motives for fights with De La Hoya and Mayorga are starkly different, Forrest considers either necessary in cementing what he hopes is a Hall of Fame career. While he cannot change the outcomes of the two Mayorga bouts or erase his battles with injuries, Forrest can work toward regaining the momentum he had in 2002 when he was named “Fighter of the Year.”

“I know that I can fight better than I have been fighting,” Forrest said confidently. “To me, this is all about winning championships. At the end of the day, I want to be considered one of the best. Some of my peers seem to be heading for the Hall of Fame and I’d like to go in with them.

“2008 is going to be even bigger than 2007 for me.”

 

[merce77]

Thanks for adding on to the post ya'll, been away for a few days so I couldn't check in, but the Vernon article was especially entertaining. He wants to "end his life"?!?! Wow, didn't think I'd ever hear "the viper" get so personal. He's always been one of my favorites tho and so has Oscar, it's a fight I've been waiting to see for years.
I always wondered after Vernon put it on Mosley, how Oscar would do against him, I do believe he'd do much better than Shane did but I'd put my money on Vernon for all the reasons the article mentioned. But u have to wonder with Oscar telling everyone and their mom that he's moving back to 147, how this fight can be made. I think Oscar knows the style matchup isn't in his favor and I'm seriously doubting that he's going to stay at 154 and scrap with Forrest, but we can dream, right? Oscar would have a better chance with Cotto because his jab is perfect for controlling smaller guys, but Cotto is a very mobile dude who can fight any style of fight and he's 27 while Vernon is more Oscar's speed at 35 years old.
One big reason why Oscar underachieved against elite fighters was the public. Let's not forget that he gave Tito a nice walk to school for like 9 rds before he got on his bicycle and ruined his chances of being p4p #1 in the world. He fights Shane right after and fights totally the wrong fight, following Mosley around the ring, dispensing with the jab, and fighting flatfooted with little head movement, regardless what anyone says, Oscar could have used his boxing skills and won the fight, just look at the rematch where Oscar was clearly robbed. He wanted to prove to the public that he had heart and would stand and trade with anyone, that's why he lost that 1st fight, I always said he had more boxing skills than Shane. Also let's see, against Floyd he made it close to the tune of 115-113 and he was 34 at the time, I'm almost convinced that a young lightning fast Oscar with a piston jab beats Floyd. I actually didn't know that to this day, the fastest man timed on the speedbag is Oscar, never knew that.
In the end I think Oscar suffered from being too pretty and everyone wantoing a piece of him, if he'd been a ugly mofo, he would have been popular, but none of those other doors would have been open to him which would have allowed him to concentrate solely on boxing.
Back to Vernon tho, if he can get fights with Oscar and Mayorga, this might be the "year of the Viper".

 

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I always thought that Oscar could not beat those who had either better defense than him or were faster to the punch than he was...It had nothing to do with how he looked to the the public, especially before he got his first title shot. To this day, I believe he lost his match against Sweet Pea...Whitaker made him look like a fool...Mosley was just faster than him, and Hopkins was too big. Don't forget that he scathed by Felix Sturm before fighting B-Hop.

As for Forrest, he isn't known for talking that much trash, but in Mayorga's case, he doesn't mind at all. He's hell-bent to prove that Ricardo does not belong in the ring with him.

 

[merce77]

I always thought that Oscar could not beat those who had either better defense than him or were faster to the punch than he was...It had nothing to do with how he looked to the the public, especially before he got his first title shot. To this day, I believe he lost his match against Sweet Pea...Whitaker made him look like a fool...Mosley was just faster than him, and Hopkins was too big. Don't forget that he scathed by Felix Sturm before fighting B-Hop.

As for Forrest, he isn't known for talking that much trash, but in Mayorga's case, he doesn't mind at all. He's hell-bent to prove that Ricardo does not belong in the ring with him.

Watch Mosley/Oscar 1 again, this was right after the Tito fight, he tried to stand and trade which wasn't his fight. Mosley was only slightly faster than Oscar by the way, Oscar followed Shane in a straight line, no head movement, no jab, just straight power punches, he fought Shane's fight. To prove my point, Oscar did all the things he should, jab, box, in the second fight and got robbed, remember the look on Shanes's face when they announced him the winner, he was shocked he got the decision. But you're right, they robbed Sturm against a chubby-azz Oscar that night, but you also gotta give Oscar crdit for outboxing B-Hop for the first six rounds, Bernard was just too big.
As for Vernon, I mean I remember a round in the first fight with Mayorga where Vernon landed about 75 out of ninety-somethin punches, the majority were power punches. In my opinion he never should've lost to Ricardo the first time and he got robbed the second time. I hope he does beat Mayorgas ass. BTW I just don't see a Vernon/Oscar fight happening, not enough $$$$ involved.

 

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As for Vernon, I mean I remember a round in the first fight with Mayorga where Vernon landed about 75 out of ninety-somethin punches, the majority were power punches. In my opinion he never should've lost to Ricardo the first time and he got robbed the second time. I hope he does beat Mayorgas ass. BTW I just don't see a Vernon/Oscar fight happening, not enough $$$$ involved.

I agree...Those four fights that Vernon had against Mosley and Mayorga may be the biggest fights that he'll get. And I have a feeling that it may be the same fate for Winky (Hopkins, Shane, Tito, and Taylor) unless Pavlik wins that rematch...

The Viper could easily be the undisputed or Ring Mag champ at 154...I think he's better than all of the other beltholders in that division.

 

[footluva]

this is a great post. thank you.

 

[merce77]

I agree...Those four fights that Vernon had against Mosley and Mayorga may be the biggest fights that he'll get. And I have a feeling that it may be the same fate for Winky (Hopkins, Shane, Tito, and Taylor) unless Pavlik wins that rematch...

The Viper could easily be the undisputed or Ring Mag champ at 154...I think he's better than all of the other beltholders in that division.

Yeah mayne, in my mind he's already the #1 154lb fighter in the world, would like to see Paul Williams move up and try to take it to Vernon. I think he'd get schooled. Any more boxing news would be much appreciated, good lookin out tp.

 

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The Real Light Heavyweight Fights Begin in 08

By Jake Donovan

Chad Dawson has been calling out all of the top light heavyweights ever since he moved up from the super middleweight division two years ago. Glen Johnson has long lived by his most famous quote of not being the best but still wanting to fight the best, with 10 of his last 16 fights coming against light heavyweight opposition universally ranked Top-10 or better.

It's only fitting that the two collide on April 12, ending a stateside drought of meaningful light heavyweight action pitting actual light heavyweights against one another. Glen Johnson's 8 th round stoppage of late replacement Hugo Pineda this past Saturday in Atlantic City helped seal the deal for a Showtime showdown against "Awesome" Chad Dawson, to take place April 12 live on SHOWTIME.

The venue has yet to be confirmed. The St. Pete Times Forum, in Tampa, FL, has been the most oft-rumored site, but certainly not finalized. Nor has the event's suggested co-main event, between cross-town rivals Antonio Tarver (Tampa, by way of Orlando) and St. Petersburg's Jeff Lacy, which for the moment has yet to advance beyond the rumor mill.

Wherever it lands, it's only fitting that SHOWTIME airs the bout, as America's #1 Boxing Network presented the last stateside fight between top light heavyweights, when Chad Dawson recovered from a 10 th round knockdown to otherwise put on a boxing clinic in dominating Tomasz Adamek in Kissimmee, FL on the eve of the Super Bowl.

Since then, Dawson has actively campaigned for a fight against any top light heavyweight willing to sign on the dotted line. There were apparently no takers, with the closest being undefeated Top-10 contender Adrian Diaconu, who was scheduled to face Dawson last September on SHOWTIME before an injury forced him to the sidelines just two weeks before fight night, the last of an injury-riddled month that all but crippled SHOWTIME's intended dream schedule.

Dawson wound up facing late replacement Epifanio Mendoza, who wilted in four rounds, having offered even less resistance than Dawson's previous opponent, Jesus Ruiz, who absorbed a beating before crumbling in the 6 th round of their SHOWTIME-televised bout three months prior.

It was the Ruiz bout where Dawson was paired up with comebacking former top light heavyweight Antonio Tarver, who decisioned Elvir Muriqi in the evening's main event. Dawson sought a fight with Tarver before and after their June doubleheader, and ever since, only for Tarver to play the status card, claiming the 25-year old was not only in any position to call him out, but wasn't even close to being on his radar.

Tarver would instead go on to face Contender Season Three reject Danny Santiago this past December, scoring a fourth-round knockout in a bout that drew stark industry-wide criticism before and after. Once again the offer was on the table for a Dawson-Tarver bout, only for the 39-year old Tarver to once again dismiss the fight as not being worth his time.

Luckily, another 39-year old Floridian took an active interest in a Dawson fight, when Glen Johnson threw his well-traveled hat into the ring. The two sides, along with Gary Shaw (who promotes Dawson) and Seminole Warriors Boxing (Johnson's reps) worked out a deal with Showtime, reserving the April 12 date.

All Johnson wanted, aside from a well-deserved significant payday, was a tune-up prior to, with his most recent bout having taken place last July, with a November fight falling through and no back-up plan in place. The request was granted last weekend, when Warriors landed Johnson a slot on the DiBella Entertainment-promoted show in Atlantic City, headlined by Paul Malignaggi's decision win over Herman Ngoudjo on Showtime.

News continued at http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=11963

 

[tp2001]

I am hoping that the Johnson-Dawson fight happens at the St. Pete Times Forum...I'll go if that happens...

The Tarver-Lacy fight has been talked about for many months but will not happen...If it does, then Tarver would put Lacy out for the count...A short guy like Lacy moving up in weight plus his shoulder will never be back IMO, so he won't get the movement that he needs to get the big punches in.

 

[merce77]

I am hoping that the Johnson-Dawson fight happens at the St. Pete Times Forum...I'll go if that happens...

The Tarver-Lacy fight has been talked about for many months but will not happen...If it does, then Tarver would put Lacy out for the count...A short guy like Lacy moving up in weight plus his shoulder will never be back IMO, so he won't get the movement that he needs to get the big punches in.

Yeah, I think Lacy's out. I never thought he had much skill but I enjoyed watching him hand out KO's. But Tarver would box circles around him, because let's be honest, Tarver wants NONE of "Bad" Chad Dawson. I like Dawson's slick boxing style, isn't he trained by Floyd Sr.? BTW thanx for the news brother.

 

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Floyd Sr. on Mayweather-Cotto, Hatton-Pacquiao

By Rick Reeno

BoxingScene.com spoke with trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr, father and former trainer of pound-for-pound welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr (39-0, 25KOs), on how a fight would play out between his son and unbeaten Miguel Cotto (31-0, 25KOs), who currently holds the WBA welterweight title. In the opinion of Floyd Sr, Cotto's aggressive style would make him an easy opponent for his son.

"I don't think Cotto would be in the fight to be honest with you. I think Cotto's style would make Floyd look great. I don't think Floyd would have any problems with Cotto. Floyd has too much skill for him," Floyd Sr. said.

He admits the jump in weight did wonders for Cotto, but in his opinion, the Puerto Rican icon does not want to fight his son. Because Floyd Jr has become a household name, Floyd Sr. says that Cotto is just looking for a payday.

"I think when he moved up in weight it was a good move for him. He was weak from the weight at 140. He looks much better at welterweight. He says he wants to fight Floyd, but he don't really want to fight Floyd. In my personal opinion, I don't think he really wants that fight. Oscar (De La Hoya) is still the money man, but Floyd is now the money man too. Cotto might get the money, but he might get an ass-whoopin too," Floyd Sr said.

Cotto is one of the frontrunners to land a potential fight with De La Hoya, who Floyd Sr says would win if the two of them fight at 154-pounds. Floyd Sr tells BoxingScene that De La Hoya has enough left in the tank to beat the younger, more active challenger in Cotto.

"I can tell you this, I think Oscar can beat Cotto. Oscar has got good range on Cotto and a good jab, and a good jab and range will beat Cotto. It's not like Oscar hasn't fought nobody," Floyd Sr said. "If they want that money they can move up, but Oscar will do his thing."

For the last few weeks, there has been talk of a year-end clash between Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao, currently campaigning at lightweight, would have to move up by two weight classes to fight Hatton at the junior welterweight limit of 140-pounds. Floyd Sr told BoxingScene that Pacquiao, who Floyd credits as being a very good puncher, is lacking the proper skills as a boxer to beat an opponent like Hatton. If Pacquiao really wants a challenge, Floyd Sr says that Pacquiao should step up and fight WBO super featherweight champion Joan Guzman (presently trained by Floyd Sr).

"Is he crazy? Hatton will beat the f**king socks off of Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao, that guy can't box. All that guy can do is punch. Pacquiao has been with Freddie Roach for all these years and he still can't box. They put him on the pound-for-pound, he should be on the clown-for-pound list. Let him fight Guzman and see what happens, Guzman has too many things for Pacquiao. They are scared as hell of Joan Guzman. Guzman will beat them all. Bob Arum doesn't want Pacquiao to fight Guzman. They say he moves too much. I like Bob Arum as a person, but all of those things are excuses," Floyd Sr said.

That fool said clown-for-pound

 

[merce77]

Floyd Sr. on Mayweather-Cotto, Hatton-Pacquiao

By Rick Reeno

BoxingScene.com spoke with trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr, father and former trainer of pound-for-pound welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr (39-0, 25KOs), on how a fight would play out between his son and unbeaten Miguel Cotto (31-0, 25KOs), who currently holds the WBA welterweight title. In the opinion of Floyd Sr, Cotto's aggressive style would make him an easy opponent for his son.

"I don't think Cotto would be in the fight to be honest with you. I think Cotto's style would make Floyd look great. I don't think Floyd would have any problems with Cotto. Floyd has too much skill for him," Floyd Sr. said.

He admits the jump in weight did wonders for Cotto, but in his opinion, the Puerto Rican icon does not want to fight his son. Because Floyd Jr has become a household name, Floyd Sr. says that Cotto is just looking for a payday.

"I think when he moved up in weight it was a good move for him. He was weak from the weight at 140. He looks much better at welterweight. He says he wants to fight Floyd, but he don't really want to fight Floyd. In my personal opinion, I don't think he really wants that fight. Oscar (De La Hoya) is still the money man, but Floyd is now the money man too. Cotto might get the money, but he might get an ass-whoopin too," Floyd Sr said.

Cotto is one of the frontrunners to land a potential fight with De La Hoya, who Floyd Sr says would win if the two of them fight at 154-pounds. Floyd Sr tells BoxingScene that De La Hoya has enough left in the tank to beat the younger, more active challenger in Cotto.

"I can tell you this, I think Oscar can beat Cotto. Oscar has got good range on Cotto and a good jab, and a good jab and range will beat Cotto. It's not like Oscar hasn't fought nobody," Floyd Sr said. "If they want that money they can move up, but Oscar will do his thing."

For the last few weeks, there has been talk of a year-end clash between Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao, currently campaigning at lightweight, would have to move up by two weight classes to fight Hatton at the junior welterweight limit of 140-pounds. Floyd Sr told BoxingScene that Pacquiao, who Floyd credits as being a very good puncher, is lacking the proper skills as a boxer to beat an opponent like Hatton. If Pacquiao really wants a challenge, Floyd Sr says that Pacquiao should step up and fight WBO super featherweight champion Joan Guzman (presently trained by Floyd Sr).

"Is he crazy? Hatton will beat the f**king socks off of Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao, that guy can't box. All that guy can do is punch. Pacquiao has been with Freddie Roach for all these years and he still can't box. They put him on the pound-for-pound, he should be on the clown-for-pound list. Let him fight Guzman and see what happens, Guzman has too many things for Pacquiao. They are scared as hell of Joan Guzman. Guzman will beat them all. Bob Arum doesn't want Pacquiao to fight Guzman. They say he moves too much. I like Bob Arum as a person, but all of those things are excuses," Floyd Sr said.

That fool said clown-for-pound

CLOWN FOR POUND!!!!!!!!!

 

[tp2001]

Cotto-Gomez, Margarito-Judah on April 26?

By Mark Vester

According to a recent report in El Nuevo Dia, a double-header is in the works to match WBA welterweight champion Miguel Cotto (31-0, 25KOs) against Contender star Alfonso Gomez (18-3, 8KOs) on April 26 in Atlantic City. Gomez has beaten Ben Tackie and Arturo Gatti in his last two outings. HBO would televise.

Cotto and his promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, have been waiting on Oscar De La Hoya's decision on his next opponent for May 3. According to sources talking with El Nuevo Dia, De La Hoya is now leaning towards a rematch with Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Their May bout in 2007 broke all pay-per-view records with a buyrate of 2.4 million.

A person close to the situation told the paper that a fight with Gomez "would help Cotto expand and get more exposure in the United States."

In the co-feature, talks are ongoing for a bout between former world champions Antonio Margarito and Zab Judah. The winner would be in position to fight Cotto in the summer.

"We are negotiating that fight," Yoel Judah said, father and trainer of Zab. Judah's promoter, Brian Young of Prize Fight Boxing, said he plans to meet with Arum (who also promotes Margarito) in the coming days.

http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=12013

 

[tp2001]

^^^

WTF

If this happens, then this screws up a LOT of possible fights for this year...

Let me get this straight, Margarito wanted a rematch with Williams and when Paul offered, he turned it down to fight Judah? Zab is my boy and all, but why would Antonio pass up a chance at a belt? Now watch him mess up and lose again...

Cotto-Gomez?!!! Now this would really fuck up Cotto's chances a either a title unification fight and/or a big payday this year. I don't know what the hell happened with the talks of Cotto fighting De La Hoya, but if that fell through then he could have made a fight with Hatton either at New York or England...

If De La Hoya tries to sign another fight with Mayweather, then that would be an absolute bitch move

 

[jms]

Watch Mosley/Oscar 1 again, this was right after the Tito fight, he tried to stand and trade which wasn't his fight. Mosley was only slightly faster than Oscar by the way, Oscar followed Shane in a straight line, no head movement, no jab, just straight power punches, he fought Shane's fight. To prove my point, Oscar did all the things he should, jab, box, in the second fight and got robbed, remember the look on Shanes's face when they announced him the winner, he was shocked he got the decision. But you're right, they robbed Sturm against a chubby-azz Oscar that night, but you also gotta give Oscar crdit for outboxing B-Hop for the first six rounds, Bernard was just too big.
As for Vernon, I mean I remember a round in the first fight with Mayorga where Vernon landed about 75 out of ninety-somethin punches, the majority were power punches. In my opinion he never should've lost to Ricardo the first time and he got robbed the second time. I hope he does beat Mayorgas ass. BTW I just don't see a Vernon/Oscar fight happening, not enough $$$$ involved.

I remember that De La Hoya vs. Whitaker fight. Sweet Pea embarrassed him. He made Oscar act out of character (which was usually focused) as well as making him switch 2 southpaw. Even though Whitaker dominated the fight & knocked Oscar down (1st time ever), he still got robbed.
Is that fight here?

 

[tp2001]

I remember that De La Hoya vs. Whitaker fight. Sweet Pea embarrassed him. He made Oscar act out of character (which was usually focused) as well as making him switch 2 southpaw. Even though Whitaker dominated the fight & knocked Oscar down (1st time ever), he still got robbed.
Is that fight here?

Man Sweet Pea straight schooled him, son. I remember that vividly...De La Hoya never had a tough time beforehand, then he met the defensive wiz...

The original link still works http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6YN2XG68

 

[tp2001]

I just watched the Whitaker-De La Hoya fight again...And I was upset about it back then, but I am really furious about it now...If this type of scoring happened today, then I would have quit watching boxing and went to MMA...

HOW THE FUCK was this bout scored 115-111 and 116-110 twice? Lemme break it down here...

Taking away the point deductions for the headbutt and the knockdown, it would make it 116-112, and two 117-111 scores for Oscar...

Now I have fairly good vision....There is no way, I mean NO WAY Oscar won FIVE rounds. I have trouble finding four rounds that he won in that whole fight...Especially when Whitaker controlled the bout with his jab and his defense...He ran circles around Oscar's punches in round 2 (I'll make a gif out of that) and most flurries that Oscar threw, he only landed like 2 punches...

Check out the punch stats...

Whitaker landed 232 out of 582

De La Hoya landed 191 out of 557

Whitaker outjabbed De La Hoya 160-45

Okay, now how does a fighter who outlands his opponent in jabs an average of 13-4 only win 3 rounds total? I don't know any boxing fan that can answer that question correctly.

This pretty much sums up how Oscar won the fight before it started...

"Oscar was far more skillful offensively and defensively. He landed the harder, crisper punches and he wanted the fight more. That last round, I don't know what Whitaker was thinking. It didn't lose him the fight, but he didn't do a thing." - Judge Dalby Shirley

 

[thetipisthick]

Nice a lot of these and more are on boxing torrents you have a lot in foreign languages did you get those from that boxing chat room it's like kazaa but i can't remember the name of it.

 

[merce77]

Nice a lot of these and more are on boxing torrents you have a lot in foreign languages did you get those from that boxing chat room it's like kazaa but i can't remember the name of it.

Nah, check the archives of this spot called boxingbanter.com. Myself and alot of heads have uploaded mad fights, I didn't post'em all...yet. I've been neglecting my duties as custodian of the thread, but I got stuff cookin tho, just give me a minute, shit is real busy lately, peace, good lookin for all the news TP. Whitaker wuz robbed, but the worst was the Chavez/Whitaker fight.

 

[tp2001]

Jones beat Trinidad this past weekend (yawn)...Here's more news concerning Margarito

Vernon Forrest Tells Margarito: "Let's Get it On"

By Rick Reeno

It didn't take long for WBC junior middleweight champion Vernon Forrest (40-2, 29KOs) to answer the call of Antonio Margarito (35-5, 25KOs). During an earlier interview with BoxingScene.com, Sergio Diaz, manager of Margarito, said his fighter would be willing to move up to 154 and fight Forrest.

"I see Vernon Forrest talking all this trash that nobody will fight him. Margarito will move up to 154-pounds and fight him. He's always wanted the green belt. Margarito will fight anyone," Diaz said.

A few things would have to happen before the fight could even begin to take shape. Margarito is slated to fight Zab Judah on May 3. But, Judah is having issues with his promoter, Prize Fight Boxing, and those very issues could eliminate him from the fight. Margarito is also slated to fight WBA welterweight champion Miguel Cotto in the main event of a July pay-per-view.

The bout with Judah is a tough stepping stone to the Cotto date. Taking a fight with Forrest is a big risk with a shot at Cotto hanging in the balance. Margarito is certainly a risk taker. In 2007, also with a pay-per-view shot at Cotto hanging in the balance, Margarito accepted the challenge of undefeated Paul "The Punisher" Williams. Williams won a close unanimous decision. It's hard to see Top Rank letting this one happen when Margarito is the opponent of choice for Cotto first pay-per-view of 2008.

Forrest tells BoxingScene that he's accepting the challenge with open arms, and doesn't see the fight being a close one.
"Margarito's people know how to get in touch with me. They know my promoter. They know Al Haymon. I'll beat the dogsh*t out of Margarito. He can get a Southern style ass-whooping that will send him right back to 147. I'll whoop his ass ten-times worse than Paul Williams did," Forrest said.

http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=12228

 

[merce77]

Jones beat Trinidad this past weekend (yawn)...Here's more news concerning Margarito

Vernon Forrest Tells Margarito: "Let's Get it On"

By Rick Reeno

It didn't take long for WBC junior middleweight champion Vernon Forrest (40-2, 29KOs) to answer the call of Antonio Margarito (35-5, 25KOs). During an earlier interview with BoxingScene.com, Sergio Diaz, manager of Margarito, said his fighter would be willing to move up to 154 and fight Forrest.

"I see Vernon Forrest talking all this trash that nobody will fight him. Margarito will move up to 154-pounds and fight him. He's always wanted the green belt. Margarito will fight anyone," Diaz said.

A few things would have to happen before the fight could even begin to take shape. Margarito is slated to fight Zab Judah on May 3. But, Judah is having issues with his promoter, Prize Fight Boxing, and those very issues could eliminate him from the fight. Margarito is also slated to fight WBA welterweight champion Miguel Cotto in the main event of a July pay-per-view.

The bout with Judah is a tough stepping stone to the Cotto date. Taking a fight with Forrest is a big risk with a shot at Cotto hanging in the balance. Margarito is certainly a risk taker. In 2007, also with a pay-per-view shot at Cotto hanging in the balance, Margarito accepted the challenge of undefeated Paul "The Punisher" Williams. Williams won a close unanimous decision. It's hard to see Top Rank letting this one happen when Margarito is the opponent of choice for Cotto first pay-per-view of 2008.

Forrest tells BoxingScene that he's accepting the challenge with open arms, and doesn't see the fight being a close one.
"Margarito's people know how to get in touch with me. They know my promoter. They know Al Haymon. I'll beat the dogsh*t out of Margarito. He can get a Southern style ass-whooping that will send him right back to 147. I'll whoop his ass ten-times worse than Paul Williams did," Forrest said.

http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=12228

As far as the Tito/Roy fight, it was pretty entertaining man, Tito most definitely looks like he has more left in the tank than Roy, but 170 is just too much for him, put it to you this way...if he were to go back down to 154, I can't see Margarito, Oscar, or Vernon beating him. He went in with a good plan and stole the early rounds but Roy is too big and too fast. The biggest issue for Tito in that fight was the fact that he couldn't hurt Roy (for which i'm sure Roy is grateful), he was putting together some wicked combos to the body especially but they had little to no effect on Roy. If I were Tito I'd try to get back to 154, there's some good money to be made there.
Vernon/Margarito huh? I really think Vernon is going to whup that ass, but can't count Margarito out, he's relentless even when he's getting his socks boxed off, and he's always dangerous due to his power. It'll be entertaining. I still wanna see Forrest/Mayorga, shit, come to think of it Mayorga/Margarito would be all out war. Good looks on the news bruh.

 

[PLASMA CANNON]

MAN THIS IZ A FIRE AZZ THREAD 4 SHO..THANX PLAYA

 

[merce77]

MAN THIS IZ A FIRE AZZ THREAD 4 SHO..THANX PLAYA

We aim to please bruh.

 

[tp2001]

put it to you this way...if he were to go back down to 154, I can't see Margarito, Oscar, or Vernon beating him. He went in with a good plan and stole the early rounds but Roy is too big and too fast. The biggest issue for Tito in that fight was the fact that he couldn't hurt Roy (for which i'm sure Roy is grateful), he was putting together some wicked combos to the body especially but they had little to no effect on Roy. If I were Tito I'd try to get back to 154, there's some good money to be made there.

There is so much that could be done at 154 if Tito came down...I'll give him the first two, but if Forrest is at 100%, no way Trinidad beats him...Hell, I'll even say that an 80% Forrest beats him....

Vernon/Margarito huh? I really think Vernon is going to whup that ass, but can't count Margarito out, he's relentless even when he's getting his socks boxed off, and he's always dangerous due to his power. It'll be entertaining. I still wanna see Forrest/Mayorga, shit, come to think of it Mayorga/Margarito would be all out war. Good looks on the news bruh.

You feel the same way about Mayorga/Margarito as I do about Cotto/Hatton...Those would be great "money makers"....Who cares if the matchup may not be good, it would make lots of dough no matter where it is (esp. Cotto/Hatton)

I'm wondering if HBO will show the replay of Taylor/Pavlik II with the live broadcast of Klitshcko/Ibragimov. If so, that would be pure greatness

 

[merce77]

Wow, we usualy agree but look if Roy couldn't hurt Tito, Vernon definitely will not, if he can't hurt him, he'll get KO'ed. Tito is not the same fighter he once was, he's much more adept at slipping punches and I doubt that Forrest's handspeed can match Roy's, plus Vernon's legs are 36 years old, Vernon would win more rounds but I believe late in the fight once Tito has him timed and tired, Vernon would be shark bait, plus Tito is now a body puncher all of a sudden, with that tall skinny frame on Vernon? Damn. Still, there is money to be made out there for all parties but 3 heads in boxing seriously need to retire and let all these young hungry dudes get it on, Mayweather, Roy Jones and Oscar need to hang it up. Floyd's become a coaster who's getting by with easy fights, Roy was always that and Oscar is calling it quits this year. Man I'ma PM you with the live stream of all these fights man. I won't go public with them shits tho because mofos with slow connections try to log on and fuck it up for all of us, but I'ma put you on tho. Pavlik/Taylor II, Marquez/Pacquiao II, Vazquez/Marquez III, this is going to be a good couple of months for fight fans. Cotto would knock Hatton out in half the time it took Floyd, if Floyd was too strong and too big for Ricky, Cotto would destroy him. He loves that rough in-fighting shit and he's physically a bit stronger than Floyd and hits harder, would be a brawl tho for however long the fight would last. The more I think of it, the more I now want to see Margarito/Mayorga, that shit would not be artistic, it wouldn't be Floyd vs Pernell, but it would be entertaining than a mofo.

 

[merce77]

Ain't that a bitch, Mosley vs Mayorga sometime in May. Should be a brawl but Shane KO's him in 8.

 

[tp2001]

I agree with the Mayweather, Jones and Oscar thing...If Oscar was seriously going into promotion, then he needs to get some fights going with his guys....He just got Pacquiao who at the 130-135lb division will bring in those big money draws starting with this Marquez fight...Jones needs to hang it up...If he can't make 168, then he has little to no shot at those in the 175lb. division. Mayweather is just out there to get a check now...He won't fight Mosley or Williams, so he goes for the fight that he knows will garner him the most money with little risk.

The Mayorga/Mosley fight could be real good since the Mosley/Cotto fight got good ratings, but we'll see how much both have left in them...I've yet to see the Mayorga/Vargas fight, which ended up being a sleeper fight.

Edit: Speaking of Jones, did anyone see him commentating on Friday Night Fights? He was a trip especially after the main event

 

[irealize]

u r a fan of tha game good shit

 

[merce77]

Yeah man, Roy is very entertaining as a commentator, I liked him alot more on HBO than Emmanuel Steward who is crazy biased in his commentary.
What you think about Pac/Marquez? I think Marquez figured that dude out after the 2nd or 3rd round of the first fight. I really believe after watching Marquez beat up a dangerous much younger Rocky Juarez, that Marquez is going to box Pac's socks off, he gonna hit that boy everywhere except the bottom of his shoes. Plus he got MUCH more left in the tank than Barrera or Morales had. Morales showed everybody how to outbox that kid with Agressive boxing. Like May said, that kid been with Roach how long? Still can't box and especially not going backwards. "Clown for pound". Hahahahah!!