Movie News: Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan - SINNERS - jim crow era vampire flick (SPOILERS OPEN!!!)

Artist Monk said:
Another two thing I was really curious about is the depiction AND efficacy of spiritual spellwork vs divinity.

Again, bringing up vampiric lore and tying it to direct interdiction from divinity, we see that vampires can't access a human created dwelling without permission. It is questionable as to why "God" would allow vampires to exist at all, but allow them to exist within confines of rules, that if they exercise proper judgement, they can thrive in, for as long as there is a "food source". While at same time, not allowing humans to know what these forbiddance things are as a race, which again favors the vampires.

It has to be assumed that divinity prevents them from simply rampaging through mortal homes, yet a simple uttered statement from a human can negate this "forbiddance". Also notice that the Asian woman doesn't directly invite any vampire in but is deemed by her word choice to having invited ALL vampires in, sight unseen! The question I had here, again due to Coogers Vamp-power depiction, is, are they all able to enter due to the Hivemind power, which has them being a collective, or is the elder Vamp able to fudge the rules?

The cross appears to be on no consequence whatsoever, even though it is considered a symbolic totem of God, somehow garlic is effective even though garlic also has nothing to do with divinity and or spiritual systems and originated in neither an African nor European region of the world.

The small satchel of spiritual items is somehow very effective even in close combat, while not being tied to divinity and at same time in direct opposition of this God's" edicts regarding "false idols/worship". And the source of her spiritual practice is African derived.

But the thing that really stands out is this, at the end, it appears Smoke is reunited with his woman who JUST transitioned and his child who transitioned well over 5 years ago, the symbolism depicts them in white, which is associated with Divine "Heaven", I wonder if he intentionally did that, cause then it means, whiteys God of wrath and jealously and vengeance is the REAL God. Or it means that he maybe thought we could only accept an afterlife depiction that we have been indoctrinated to process from colonizers.

The reason I say the latter is because she makes the statement of not wanting the smoke to get on the baby, the importance of that is in spiritual practices, communication with those who have transitioned is done via frequency foremost {why the elder wanted MILES in the first place, and shows that the Elder vampire is also a practitioner of a spiritual/supernatural belief] and libations, which includes liquor/drink, water and smoke. These are the things that can entice a non-corporal entity to seek to inhabit corporal form.

It also depicts that the infant regardless of the passage of human years since it died, WAS STILL AN INFANT IN THIS OTHER REALM! That in itself I think, would be a form of hell, if one stays in the state/form they died in, for eternity.

Again, just sharing what the movie made me think about.
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nice drop
 
WattDogs said:
"God" allows vampires because they are the undead. Not under God's eye, basically, because they are between life & death.

No, its not really divinity. A house is seen as your place of power. To have the damned cross your threshold requires permission. Think of it like how someone has to give an entity permission before being possessed. Unholy/evil things cannot cross borders without permission.
And technically, the Asian women (Helen, I think her name was) shouldn't have had the power to do such. It usually has to be the person that owes or resides in the house/building/area/etc.

It seems like a variation of the mind control power that vampires are supposed to have. Technically, vampires can make two creatures: another vampire that is independent of the one that bit them & a thrall. The thrall is the one that vampires have dominion over, which included mind reading & manipulation of the thrall. Elder vampires control new vamps with charms, usually. Apparently, Sinners changed the vampire rules a little.

I think that Remmick was so desirous of having a "family" again that he kept the connection open. That connection is a cheat code that allowed the lesser vampires to "hive-mind". Or it could be Remmick just "pushing" what he wants them to know into their mind. It seems like the vamps he made were a mix of thralls & regular vamps.

You got to have belief to go along with religious items. It's the belief that hurts them, not the item. Garlic has always been a ward against evil & impure things. You're leaning a lot on Judeo-Christian ideals, when vampyrs are more of a Slavic thing.

Again, it's the belief, not the item. Nothing to do with divinity. Nothing to do with Christianity. If this movie was in a bowling alley & Smoke had on his lucky socks & so happens to pull it off during the battle, it would hurt the vampire. Because of his belief in its luck.

Well, they always say that someone from the other side will bring you over. Think about it. His brother was the undead, which in his mind means he's gonna burn in hell (and yes, I know the truth...but....spoilers) & the only thing other than him he truly loved was Sammie & his kid. So, yeah, his kid's gonna be there. And Mary already told him she'll be there.

And it does represent heaven, but it doesn't mean that the Judeo-Christian God is the real God. I mean, what did you want? The Star Child scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Yep. There's a reason why they call liquor spirits. And you forgot oil. That's how they trapped genies/jinns.

I separated this part from what you wrote because I don't believe that Remmick was a practitioner of anything. I think that he was a musician & once he became a vampire, he saw how music (i.e. frequency) can open the doorway to his ancestors. That explains his singing & his river dancing (which is also kinda ironic, being that vampires hate running water) & making the rest of vampires have a Irish ceilidh (think I spelled that right...).

But he lacked the SOUL. That's what keeps the doorways open & allows the ancestors to interact with you. Notice when Sammie did his thing, he connected to his future & past ancestry. The power of his song was so great, even the Chinese ancestors came through & connected with Bo & Lin. The pain of slavery & being black, made into music by first a hum, then a stomp. Merrick's ceilidh did nothing but kick up a whole lot of dust, because he had no soul.

The real question is, why did he want Sammie, when Delta Slim had a good 30+ years of experience & blues on him? I get that Sammie's singing is what attracted them, but the minute Delta Slim got turned, Merrick could've broke out & used him to do what he wanted.

Yeah, that is something to think about...
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i agree with this. this is vamp 101
 
bxclark said:
I honestly didn't love it. Great cinematography and some scenes were cool, but overall, it was average. I don't feel like doing an in-depth breakdown, but I give it a 5. I'm not mad I supported, but for me, I'd be lying if I said I loved it.
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but in all seriousness why didnt u like it?
cause i get i have my criticism too till i saw the budget
that made me understand the route he took
 
godofwine said:
My bad. I was just talking on how I bought a ticket for Sinners and went into The Accountant 2 and rambled on about how intentional Coogler was in his film making, and how this shit added shit that should have been left on the cutting room floor and we were debating that. That's all. I'm done. I'm sure he's done too. Don't yell at us anymore. We're sorry. So so sorry. Okay, you happy?
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cool cool

carry on.
 
godofwine said:
I don't know what this means
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Caligua was a big budget "mainstream" porn, there is a horrible sect of Kendrick fans who create deep hidden messages where there are none.

This movie is chock full of so many themes and meanings (to be near easter egg porn) that unfortunately certain people will try to attach everything and anything to it.
 
FINALLY got all chance to see it this weekend.

was trying my hardest to avoid this thread and real in depth discussions about it for the few days leading up to seeing it..

Man...so much to say about this film...to simply label it a vampire flick, or an action flick, a period piece etc. doesn't do it justice. It was a genre bending, intellectually and emotionally satisfying piece of visual art highlighting the rich tapestry of African American history, cultures, resilience, strength and power....

Wife went in to it with minimal knowledge of the plot, actors etc. I didn't let her know anything else...neither of us are fans of horror, vampire flicks etc. but we're pro-black and it was overstood that this would be so much more than just a vampire movie. she was clutching her pearls, grabbing my arm really for dear life, jumping out of her seat at times and emotional during others. She exclaimed "Now THATS how you make a movie!!" at the very end.

We decided to go at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon to a local theatre..we were initially gonna go to the 70mm Imax about 45 mins away but elected to go with the comfort of premium heated/cooling reclining seats, better popcorn and a private enclave viewing experience. The theatre was packed on a Sunday afternoon...3pm. Mixed crowd...a lil too much melanemic people for my tastes but it was expected in that area.

We left immediately wanting to watch it again and felt empowered and I also felt sad that there's so many people out there that may have viewed the film that dont have enough knowledge of self, history, or culture etc to connect with it on the level that a lot of us do....they don't know anything about sharecropping....Jim crow... Geechie Gullah....Hoodoo, our connection to our ancestors, the diasporic connective tissue in music, culture,struggle that links all of us in the global majority....the language....The south in the 1930's....the origin of blues...The importance of Gatekeeping our culture, and those who want to pilfer from it in a vampiric way... Mississippi..."Passing" and the One drop rule.... how other groups like the "chinese, and the irish used black people to fit into the whiteness that they needed to advance themselves....The trail of tears...the legend/myth of Robert Johnson...Creole,

Coogler is a genius and cementing himself among the Greats
 
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Artist Monk said:
There are very set rules, remember, vampirism is cursed and opposed by commandments from God.

The rules are what makes a vampire a vampire and a weakness a weakness.
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no, there are not.

no "institute of proper vampirism in media" was ever created. neither has there ever been official vampire lore that must be adhered to.

all of it is public domain, non copyrighted, mythological, and completely up to any author to make it into anything they want it to be.

you may get copyrights to your version, but nobody can tell you how to present it or dictate the rules to your story.

i just explained the law as it pertains to vampire lore.
 

Sinners​


Sales for the Ryan Coogler film only dropped 6% from its opening last weekend.​


By Emma Keates | April 28, 2025 | 12:21pm
Photo: Warner Bros. Entertainment
Film News Box Office


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Sinners shatters box office record in second weekend


Sinners isn’t going anywhere. In an A.V. Club investigation of the racial bias apparent in the caveat-filled reporting on the film’s massive first weekend, Craig D. Lindsey wrote, “Maybe a strong second weekend will make both Hollywood and media outlets realize this isn’t a fluke, and that Coogler should join the untouchable ranks of superstar auteurs like Nolan, Tarantino, and Peele.” Well, that’s exactly what happened. The film brought in a jaw-dropping $45 million this past weekend, a mere 6% decline from its $48 million opening. That’s one of the smallest second weekend drops in the history of cinema for a movie playing outside the year-end holidays, per The Hollywood Reporter.

More specifically, Sinners now holds the record for smallest second-weekend drop of any film opening to more than $40 million since 2009’s Avatar, and any R-rated film, period, the outlet reports. The $90 million title’s domestic tally has now surpassed $120 million, while its worldwide total sits at an impressive $162 million as of this writing. That’s great news for both Warner Bros. and, of course, Ryan Coogler himself, who will own 100% of the movie after 25 years thanks to his unorthodox deal with the studio.





naw for real @Tdot_firestarta i'm stealing that shit :lol:
 
tallblacknyc said:
My guy said he wasn’t entertained by cac tap


When I saw it I laughed cause it reminded me of the river dance commercials that was unintentional comedy
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^^^^

That's crazy...cause I saw white folk get MAD UNCOMFORTABLE when the river dance started.

VERY UNCOMFORTABLE

You KNOW them vampires HATE it when they exposed as the culture vultures they are.

And notice how even though they TURNED the black folk? We aint do the LINE DANCE like the white folk were?

The Black people STILL had to do it THEIR way.

We REFUSE to assimilate completely no matter WHAT.

Because we birthed ALL that sh*t
 
Tdot_firestarta said:
FINALLY got all chance to see it this weekend.

was trying my hardest to avoid this thread and real in depth discussions about it for the few days leading up to seeing it..

Man...so much to say about this film...to simply label it a vampire flick, or an action flick, a period piece etc. doesn't do it justice. It was a genre bending, intellectually and emotionally satisfying piece of visual art highlighting the rich tapestry of African American history, cultures, resilience, strength and power....

Wife went in to it with minimal knowledge of the plot, actors etc. I didn't let her know anything else...neither of us are fans of horror, vampire flicks etc. but we're pro-black and it was overstood that this would be so much more than just a vampire movie. she was clutching her pearls, grabbing my arm really for dear life, jumping out of her seat at times and emotional during others. She exclaimed "Now THATS how you make a movie!!" at the very end.

We decided to go at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon to a local theatre..we were initially gonna go to the 70mm Imax about 45 mins away but elected to go with the comfort of premium heated/cooling reclining seats, better popcorn and a private enclave viewing experience. The theatre was packed on a Sunday afternoon...3pm. Mixed crowd...a lil too much melanemic people for my tastes but it was expected in that area.

We left immediately wanting to watch it again and felt empowered and I also felt sad that there's so many people out there that may have viewed the film that dont have enough knowledge of self, history, or culture etc to connect with it on the level that a lot of us do....they don't know anything about sharecropping....Jim crow... Geechie Gullah....Hoodoo, our connection to our ancestors, the diasporic connective tissue in music, culture,struggle that links all of us in the global majority....the language....The south in the 1930's....the origin of blues...The importance of Gatekeeping our culture, and those who want to pilfer from it in a vampiric way... Mississippi....The trail of tears...the legend/myth of Robert Johnson...Creole,
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ladies and gentlemen...

we officially have a new addition to the bgol lexicon

:cheers:
 
playahaitian said:
^^^^

That's crazy...cause I saw white folk get MAD UNCOMFORTABLE when the river dance started.

VERY UNCOMFORTABLE

You KNOW them vampires HATE it when they exposed as the culture vultures they are.

And notice how even though they TURNED the black folk? We aint do the LINE DANCE like the white folk were?

The Black people STILL had to do it THEIR way.

We REFUSE to assimilate completely no matter WHAT.

Because we birthed ALL that sh*t
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When that cac started river dancing all seriousness went out the window for a min..I was like ole boy did soulless cac tap that use to have me crack up growing up everytime I seen the commercials.. that guy had me laughing throughout the movie..great villain
 
tallblacknyc said:
When that cac started river dancing all seriousness went out the window for a min..I was like ole boy did soulless cac tap that use to have me crack up growing up everytime I seen the commercials.. that guy had me laughing throughout the movie..great villain
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No way can seriousness be taken once someone pulls out these moves
 
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