NBA 2018-2019 playoffs thread...finals is set..”Warriors vs Raptors 2-4” Raptors win the title!!!

Llano

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key word single cover and let him drive and then try to have help and stop him
compare that to trap him 35 feet away from the basket to get the ball out of his hands
see what I mean?
you started this by saying he couldn't do what harden did
so are you saying that if teams said we're going to let him drive to a side against single coverage he wouldn't murder them?

Bro they trapped Harden too soon as he got across half court lol. You can't trap a player every play, this is the NBA teams will adjust. Like I said they threw everything but the kitchen sink at Harden
 

Spectrum

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Curry is a better pure shooter.

Harden's is a more complete offensive player. I've posted articles on this. It's not even a debate.

And the idea that Curry (especially the last few seasons with Durant there) gets more defensive attention that Harden is borderline silly.

harden is a fucking choke artist though so he's the regular season gawd like Peyton Manning.
 

largebillsonlyplease

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All you have to do is go back and rewatch the 4th quarter and see how much of the scoring was done on Curry. He either lost his man or so easily allowed the switch to happen that he left his big man on an island with a small PG. Curry is your blind spot. Someone is going to make a video breakdown of it and I'm going to post it for you.



This is what I mean

If he has a lapse or a bad defensive game
It's an indictment on his overall defensive intensity and ability as a whole and it's just flat out not.

He can have bad games - every fucking body does
But his bad games are who he is
His good games are discredited as not being all that


Therein lies the problem
 

Llano

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He might on volume alone. I don't think that's their real problem right now (or Curry's real issue). He's going to score a lot of points next season.

The problem they have now is their two best perimeter defenders are out next season. So Curry won't be able to hide on defense. No one wants to talk about this (and I've been saying it for years) is that he's a bad defender but it doesn't matter because the Warriors team defense is excellent. Iggy, Klay, Durant, and Draymond are 4 of the best defenders in the league. Curry doesn't have to worry about defense as much. He's a lazy defender. If you go back and rewatch games there are just countless times where his man was getting easy shots because of Curry's lack of effort... either just letting them get into the lane or not even trying to fight through a screen. When the help defender is one of those 4, you get covered...but now... where is no switching him off on the least effective small scorer.

True that's part of the durability issue too. Bigger guards will make Curry work. He had the luxury to rest on offense playing with 4 elite defenders. Playing both ends of the court will take a toll on him so no way he's gonna average 40 a night.
 

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I hate how he was force fed as the face of the league and overhyped as a Lebron James level talent and top 3 PG all time too early. My stance was this from day one. When i was literally the only guy on here "hating" that team.
Force fed? Nobody force fed anything? How is it his fault he’s the greatest shooter of all time? The Face of the League is LeBron. The hell you talking about?
 

Spectrum

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This is what I mean

If he has a lapse or a bad defensive game
It's an indictment on his overall defensive intensity and ability as a whole and it's just flat out not.

He can have bad games - every fucking body does
But his bad games are who he is
His good games are discredited as not being all that


Therein lies the problem

Naw. I'm not talking about a bad defensive game. He's a lazy defender. YOU always talk about effort. He simply doesn't care to be a good defensive player. He's lazy on defense. He'll have no choice this upcoming season so we'll see if he step sup.
 

largebillsonlyplease

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Naw. I'm not talking about a bad defensive game. He's a lazy defender. YOU always talk about effort. He simply doesn't care to be a good defensive player. He's lazy on defense. He'll have no choice this upcoming season so we'll see if he step sup.
That's just not true
so its how you feel about him and that's ok it was him in the past before this run but it has not been the case for him for the past few years now
period
i call him out like anyone else if he isn't engaged or trying on defense.
 

Amajorfucup

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All you have to do is go back and rewatch the 4th quarter and see how much of the scoring was done on Curry. He either lost his man or so easily allowed the switch to happen that he left his big man on an island with a small PG. Curry is your blind spot. Someone is going to make a video breakdown of it and I'm going to post it for you.
Raptors point guards dropped 50 last nite. Prior to this series there was talk if Lowry and Van Fleet were NBA caliber starters. Lowry gets in this series and niggas are saying delusional shit about him being a HOF'er... They say Van Fleet started playing lights out when he had a baby..

Little did we know... the baby was............

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Spectrum

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That's just not true
so its how you feel about him and that's ok it was him in the past before this run but it has not been the case for him for the past few years now
period
i call him out like anyone else if he isn't engaged or trying on defense.

Naw. My critiques on him as a player have nothing to do with my feelings about his shimmy antics.

Like I said, as soon as someone makes the video (it's probably already out there), I'm going to post it here so you can "see" it. He was absolutely horrible in game 6.
 

largebillsonlyplease

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harden might be one of the worst defenders I've ever seen. Curry just average to slightly below average at times. Harden is garbage.

Nope he just came through with the he's hidden by 4 elite defenders argument
so I'm asking him is he thinking Harden is a good defender.
we in here talking about Curry's defense
logically he is an average defender. like i said in the beginning.
That's strictly the tools to be an elite defender he doesn't have PHYSICALLY
but he damn sure tries to defend.
If you have to pick someone to go at its him and that's not a slight on fucking him its that everywhere else is elite defense so you go after average.
 

largebillsonlyplease

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Naw. My critiques on him as a player have nothing to do with my feelings about his shimmy antics.

Like I said, as soon as someone makes the video (it's probably already out there), I'm going to post it here so you can "see" it. He was absolutely horrible in game 6.

I'm not even talking about shimmy antics I'm not throwing everything else into it just simply feeling on defense nothing else.
He could very well have been horrible in game 6 and again game 6 isn't who he is as a whole because there were a ton of games this playoffs where he was NOT defending bad
that is all I have ever said
 

Amajorfucup

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Force fed? Nobody force fed anything? How is it his fault he’s the greatest shooter of all time? The Face of the League is LeBron. The hell you talking about?
Right. The face of the league is Lebron.. But in 2015, there was a concerted effort to pass that baton to Steph and promote him as such. League is a entertainment entity so its understandable. But the shit got out of hand quick. And people started really entertaining him as part of GOAT discussion and on par with Lebron in terms of on court impact. Shit was ridiculous.
 

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The Coaching became irrelevant due to injuries. Can’t think of one team who won a Conference or NBA Final in today’s NBA with a missing starter. The position doesn’t even matter.

1) Lakers vs Bulls
2) Celtics vs Lakers
3) Celtics versus Heat
4) Sacramento vs Lakers

Besides talent you need luck; especially when it comes to injuries. Jordan’s Bulls? Zero injuries.

Six games with some won and lost in the final seconds missing Kevin Durant, a broken bone in Looney’s chest, missing Klay entirely for one game (a true gimme) and then losing him entirely during Game 6? Too much to overcome. Game 7 would have been a wrap.

Jordan's adversity to overcome in the Finals was food poisoning before a game. How trivial is that compared to the 2019 Warriors?
 

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Raptors point guards dropped 50 last nite. Prior to this series there was talk if Lowry and Van Fleet were NBA caliber starters. Lowry gets in this series and niggas are saying delusional shit about him being a HOF'er... They say Van Fleet started playing lights out when he had a baby..

Little did we know... the baby was............

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He puts up zero resistance on screens. Although he runs hard on offense, he's used to resting on defense so often he just lets his man get away because the help defense is so great. Usually he's matched up on a subpar offensive player so he can get away with it. And this series, the matchup for him wasn't bad on paper. However, those cats came to play...so when he was letting them go... they weren't throwing up bricks.. they were hitting those shots. It's inexcusable for VanVleet to come off the bench and do what he did.... they got 50 out of the PG position and in the 4th, all the did was target the Curry matchup because Klay was hurt.

That whole 4th quarter was driven by targeting Curry + Boogie. They would get those two isolated and you know if curry was isolated, you got an easy look... if they switched, you got the PG on Boogie..another easy shot. Klay being out was way too big of a loss on the defensive end.
 

Tha Great Muta

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He shouldnt have been. And he never was. All that other stuff, i dont know about. But Steph was NEVER the best player in the league.. and that was part of the problem. He was elevated above where he should have been .

Not hopefully they stop playing that annoying ass Facebook commercial talking about "He broke the game" fuck outta here......and hopefully his fat faced wife will go away for a while.
 

Spectrum

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I'm not even talking about shimmy antics I'm not throwing everything else into it just simply feeling on defense nothing else.
He could very well have been horrible in game 6 and again game 6 isn't who he is as a whole because there were a ton of games this playoffs where he was NOT defending bad
that is all I have ever said

I don't think it was just game 6 though... but game 6 was just ridiculous. The thing that stands out is not that he gets beat. The thing that stands out is the lack of effort. Curry might be undersized in terms of weight..but he's fast and really not undersized in terms of height considering his opponents in this finals. But often, you just see his man beating him and he just lets him go and watches the play.
 

KingTaharqa

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Right. The face of the league is Lebron.. But in 2015, there was a concerted effort to pass that baton to Steph and promote him as such. League is a entertainment entity so its understandable. But the shit got out of hand quick. And people started really entertaining him as part of GOAT discussion and on par with Lebron in terms of on court impact. Shit was ridiculous.

The result is too many Warrior fans put their entire identity into trashing Bron and his legacy. Go read the Steph is overrated thread and see how many cats tried to deflect his shortcomings by speaking on Bron exclusively or marginalizing his career to cape for Steph. When Steph fails or doesn't do something, the first go to is to bring him up. Hes the greatest anti LeBron ever which led to him being presented as better than he was at 1 point.
 

Amajorfucup

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ut he's fast and really not undersized in terms of height considering his opponents in this finals.
Thats the other thing.. and its something i was telling someone a few weeks ago... They paint a picture as if hes some CP3 sized over achieving PG. Hes the same height or taller than Wall, Westbrick, Conley, Lillard, etc..
 

playahaitian

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Wow...

I'll say this...

Lebron not making the playoffs?

Was the best thing for his career

Cause now people going back in time snatching crowns.

Sidebar...

Kawhi got finals mvp for defending Lebron

Last 3 games Lebron had 40+ in each

Just saying.
 

Dr. Truth

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Right. The face of the league is Lebron.. But in 2015, there was a concerted effort to pass that baton to Steph and promote him as such. League is a entertainment entity so its understandable. But the shit got out of hand quick. And people started really entertaining him as part of GOAT discussion and on par with Lebron in terms of on court impact. Shit was ridiculous.
You be imagining shit
 

Spectrum

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Kawhi got finals mvp for defending Lebron

Last 3 games Lebron had 40+ in each

Just saying.

This isn't true.

Game 1 25
Game 2 35
Game 3 21
Game 4 28
Game 5 31

Lebron had a decent series. It was WADE that was awful that series. He was awful that entire playoffs though.

It's a myth that Kawhi got that MVP solely for defense. He got that for his perimeter defense on wade and lebron, but it was mainly because it was only a 5 games series and he was their best defensive player but also led them in scoring the final 3 games.
 
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Rembrandt Brown

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I said it before...

They should give Demarr a ring much like Boston did for Nomar.

https://nesn.com/2014/08/nomar-garciaparra-cherishes-2004-despite-red-soxs-devastating-trade/

"Garciaparra was traded by the Red Sox to the Chicago Cubs on July 31, 2004, roughly three months before Boston captured its first World Series title in 86 years. It was a disappointing day for the former Red Sox shortstop, who had become a fan favorite in his eight-plus seasons with the organization."

Damn, I forgot about that. I also thought he was there longer than eight full seasons out of his 14.

Demarr is the Raptors all-time leading scorer. He's a lot more deserving of an honorary ring than Nomar was.
 

Llano

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harden might be one of the worst defenders I've ever seen. Curry just average to slightly below average at times. Harden is garbage.

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats...&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0&page=1

Not true, stop letting a 11 minute YouTube clip years ago and social media cloud your judgment.

Harden was in the top 50 in advance defensive stats this year. Curry was ranked 84th . Harden was 2nd in the league in steals and 1st in deflections. All this while playing the most minutes in the league and throwing up almost 40 a night with a depleted roster for about half the season.

There's plenty articles detailing his improvement.
https://hoopshabit.com/2019/03/28/houston-rockets-james-harden-progress-on-defensive-end/
 
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