NBA 2018-2019 playoffs thread...finals is set..”Warriors vs Raptors 2-4” Raptors win the title!!!

[Spectrum]

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats...&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0&page=1

Not true, stop letting a 11 minute YouTube clip years ago and social media cloud your judgment.

Harden was in the top 50 in advance defensive stats this year. Curry was ranked 84th . Harden was 2nd in the league in steals and 1st in deflections. All this while playing the most minutes in the league and throwing up almost 40 a night with a depleted roster for about half the season.

There's plenty articles detailing his improvement.
https://hoopshabit.com/2019/03/28/houston-rockets-james-harden-progress-on-defensive-end/

Iverson often led the league in steals but he was a bad one on one defensive player. Stats can be misleading on the defensive end because you can be a leader in steals (cheating the lane because you're often defending the worst offensive player). Magic used to lead the league in steals too and he was a defensive liability on the perimeter. Harden is a fucking garbage defensive player.

 

[Spectrum]

You can't shit on Curry and praise extra-smedium choking ass Harden. Harden is one of the best offensive players in the league until the games actually start to matter.

And that's why he'll also lose in the playoffs unless they build a team around him that can cover for his defensive liabilities. That's why it was over for the Rockets when they lost Ariza. D'Antoni + Harden is a recipe for losing deep in the playoffs because of the defensive liability. That shit is fine in the regular season but not deep in the playoffs where you can't really hide defensive liabilities as easily because the competition is just much higher.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

What was learned from this Finals:

1. Klay, not Steph is the best player on the Dubs not named Durant
2. After 2015 they win no chips without Durant
3. Speaking of 2015, a full strength Warriors team was stretched 6 games by a Lebron team whose second best player was a guy named Matthew Dellavedova.
4. Draymond needs to kill those delusions that he's a max player or can carry a team. He better stay his ass in GS.
5. Steph learned what Kyrie learned this postseason when the burden of an entire team's fate is placed in your lap.

There's a reason Klay is so far behind Steph in so many categories... One series does not outweigh careers of work!

Kyrie has never been an MVP, there is so much wrong in this series of claims... Anybody who thinks this team without KD is the same as the 73 team win team is a basketball moron.

 

[Llano]

Iverson often led the league in steals but he was a bad one on one defensive player. Stats can be misleading on the defensive end because you can be a leader in steals (cheating the lane because you're often defending the worst offensive player). Magic used to lead the league in steals too and he was a defensive liability on the perimeter. Harden is a fucking garbage defensive player.

I didn't just point out steals as the only reason, I know that doesn't tell the whole story. Again he was 50th in advanced stats in the league. He had the highest usage rating in history when he was a one man show on offense. That's impressive no matter how you slice it to at least be in the top 50 on defense.

I'm not saying he's Pippen or Gary Payton but the narrative that his defense is trash is not true.

 

[Mr. Met]

There's a reason Klay is so far behind Steph in so many categories... One series does not outweigh careers of work!

Kyrie has never been an MVP, there is so much wrong in this series of claims... Anybody who thinks this team without KD is the same as the 73 team win team is a basketball moron.

1. Do they escape the 2016 WCF without Game 6 Klay?

2. Kyrie has never been an MVP, Steph has. So the burden is even heavier for Curry to bail them out.

 

[Spectrum]

I didn't just point out steals as the only reason, I know that doesn't tell the whole story. Again he was 50th in advanced stats in the league. He had the highest usage rating in history when he was a one man show on offense. That's impressive no matter how you slice it to at least be in the top 50 on defense.

I'm not saying he's Pippen or Gary Payton but the narrative that his defense is trash is not true.

Man those advanced stats for defense aren't reliable. You'll get outliers because of the way defense is constructed. Kyle Lowry is ranked #42 in the entire NBA based on those advanced stats. Kyrie is ranked #46.
Meanwhile Iggy, Butler, Durant, and Thompson are way down the fucking list

Shit has Lowry at the 42nd best defender but Klay Thompson at #130. That's how fucking stupid these types of metrics can be.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

1. Do they escape the 2016 WCF without Game 6 Klay?

2. Kyrie has never been an MVP, Steph has. So the burden is even heavier for Curry to bail them out.

Your first question evidences a warped perspective that fundamentally does not understand basketball.

There is no game 6 of the WCF in any of their runs without Klay. Or Steph. That's how a team works. This isn't boxing, man.

Klay knows that he's great but Steph is greater. I think anybody who has watched this team over the last 5 years and isn't having a First Take/Undisputed-style insincere argument recognizes that. I have no further words on this because it's like debating whether the Earth is flat.

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

You offered a bet. I gave you one. Take it bitch and you like it bitch!

You are lottery scum you whore.

BitchIOwnYa.

Look at you...

You have no faith in your shitty organization

So sad... So angry

I guess 40 years of getting ass fucked by the entire NBA will do that...

Rep your shit... You're right all the time aren't you?

The warriors will have a better Record tha the wizards.

The warriors will make the playoffs.

The wizards will continue to be bums

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

Niggas hate LeBron because hes dark skinned, tatted up, 6'8 250. He makes a good villain. Colorism goes both ways homie.

Nigga that's the toe of man you're looking fornlol

This ain't plenty of fish you faggit

 

[Llano]

Man those advanced stats for defense aren't reliable. You'll get outliers because of the way defense is constructed. Kyle Lowry is ranked #42 in the entire NBA based on those advanced stats. Kyrie is ranked #46.
Meanwhile Iggy, Butler, Durant, and Thompson are way down the fucking list

Shit has Lowry at the 42nd best defender but Klay Thompson at #130. That's how fucking stupid these types of metrics can be.

You can't shit on Curry and praise extra-smedium choking ass Harden. Harden is one of the best offensive players in the league until the games actually start to matter.

And that's why he'll also lose in the playoffs unless they build a team around him that can cover for his defensive liabilities. That's why it was over for the Rockets when they lost Ariza. D'Antoni + Harden is a recipe for losing deep in the playoffs because of the defensive liability. That shit is fine in the regular season but not deep in the playoffs where you can't really hide defensive liabilities as easily because the competition is just much higher.

2 things... replace Harden with Curry on the Rockets team and tell me how many rings Curry will have the past 5 years? Talent trumps everything at the end of the day & GS was loaded. I'm not even saying that Curry is overrated too like some are saying in here.

I'm willing to bet you or anyone in this thread a $100 that Curry won't put up 35 plus points, rank in the top 50 for defensive efficiency and play minimum 75 games next year with Klay & KD out

 

[World B Free]

Congrats to Jeremy Lin, he was on the Raptors team. Y'all missed his highlights.....

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

Why are we even talking about LeBron?

That dude does nothing else. It's pathological. He's like Skip Bayless but he does it for free. 100% loser. You and everyone else should put him on ignore.

 

[Spectrum]

Your first question evidences a warped perspective that fundamentally does not understand basketball.

There is no game 6 of the WCF in any of their runs without Klay. Or Steph. That's how a team works. This isn't boxing, man.

Klay knows that he's great but Steph is greater. I think anybody who has watched this team over the last 5 years and isn't having a First Take/Undisputed-style insincere argument recognizes that. I have no further words on this because it's like debating whether the Earth is flat.

Yeah.

One thing that I think that does happen (and Klay doesn't seem to care) is that people really underappreciate how good he is. While Steph is breaking records for 3 point shooting, people miss that Klay is not just a really good shooter, he's on pace to be the second most prolific 3 point shooter in NBA history.

and percentage wise in the playoffs, he's even better than Curry.

That's why i didn't like Durant going there. It's literally 3 of the best pure shooters of all time in their prime on the same squad.

 

[playahaitian]

It's because he was a lil bro until he wasn't
It's all good they hate it lol they really do. He's an easy target. He doesn't clap back at them. He's nice. They enjoy doing this and that's OK.
Anyone with a basketball brain knows what Toronto did this series was the ultimate sign of respect. For all of the "all stars and all nba players still on the floor" Toronto said fuck all that we need to do everything we can to stop him and let everyone else do whatever they want.
Everyone else not named klay didn't do well at all I give BOOGIE a pass because he's on 1 leg so he def couldn't do the special things he's capable of as far as dominating down low and things. he can't walk lol

outside of that I'm good. It bothered me a few years ago now it doesn't I laugh and I state facts and I let it eat them up inside

Curry averaged 30/5/5 against the best defense in the league solely FOCUSED ON HIM

now let's bring out the caveats of how him averaging that really wasn't good even considering all I just said about double triple and box and 1 game plans for 6 straight games lol

I just dont get that.

But then again whenever i say lebron averaged a triple double in the finals and got games on the best team ever without kyrie and love..

I get killed.

You CANNOT be a fan of basketball and NOT appreciate what Steph did...

It was the heart of a champion

And is everyone going to conveniently forget Steph was injured early this season.

That is why i didnt kill nurse for the box and 1

It was WORKING

That shows how vital Steph is.

I'm a boogie fan so i think he deserves praise period for his recovery, he wasnt supposed to play either!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I just dont get that.

But then again whenever i say lebron averaged a triple double in the finals and got games on the best team ever without kyrie and love..

I get killed.

You CANNOT be a fan of basketball and NOT appreciate what Steph did...

It was the heart of a champion

And is everyone going to conveniently forget Steph was injured early this season.

That is why i didnt kill nurse for the box and 1

It was WORKING

That shows how vital Steph is.

I'm a boogie fan so i think he deserves praise period for his recovery, he wasnt supposed to play either!

I'm out

 

[KingTaharqa]

Nigga that's the toe of man you're looking fornlol

This ain't plenty of fish you faggit

 

[thismybgolname]

Oh so GS had no injuries either? FOH

Not every year they've won a title they haven't.

 

[playahaitian]

Yeah.

One thing that I think that does happen (and Klay doesn't seem to care) is that people really underappreciate how good he is. While Steph is breaking records for 3 point shooting, people miss that Klay is not just a really good shooter, he's on pace to be the second most prolific 3 point shooter in NBA history.

and percentage wise in the playoffs, he's even better than Curry.

That's why i didn't like Durant going there. It's literally 3 of the best pure shooters of all time in their prime on the same squad.

Klay is the damn forgotten soldier

I always have to remind folks

That man is like jay z to biggie

If he aint a better shooter than Steph?

He the closest one.

Imagine Klay with Lebron?!?

Sidebar...

I dont f*ck with him too much more cause he backed the white man who pushed Lowry and predicted that would be bad luck.

 

[playahaitian]

I'm out

^^^^

Steph thought he was back at davidson

/thread

 

[Amajorfucup]

The warriors will make the playoffs.

Bet it then. Bet it or go back to stirring Massah Meyers iced tea .

 

[playahaitian]

This isn't true.

Game 1 25
Game 2 35
Game 3 21
Game 4 28
Game 5 31

Lebron had a decent series. It was WADE that was awful that series. He was awful that entire playoffs though.

It's a myth that Kawhi got that MVP solely for defense. He got that for his perimeter defense on wade and lebron, but it was mainly because it was only a 5 games series and he was their best defensive player but also led them in scoring the final 3 games.

Holy sh*t

I apologize i was going off memory

That was an egregious error.

he did average over 57% from the field though and 37 minutes a game and 30 points a game.

my overall point was Kawhi aint SHUT him DOWN.

put I was wrong.

 

[Spectrum]

I'm out

dawg..you can do this all day with good players. they all get help defenders sent at them. Curry is no exception

 

[Spectrum]

Holy sh*t

I apologize i was going off memory

That was an egregious error.

he did average over 57% from the field though.

Yeah. He was at or above 50% every game... wasn't like Lebron struggled..i remember that series clearly.. Wade is just done because of the injury to his knee... a shell... and it was actually on defense where they looked bad... they couldnt defend the perimeter. that ball movement killed them

 

[Dr. Truth]

Rob Parkers a Bitch ass hoe ass nigga who needs to shut his faggit ass up

 

[pookie]

Congrats to Jeremy Lin, he was on the Raptors team. Y'all missed his highlights.....

I’ve been seeing all over social media comments saying “Jeremy Lin got a ring”. I don’t know if it’s just for jokes or are they really being serious

 

[Dr. Truth]

Not every year they've won a title they haven't.

Every year yes. Steph missed mad games in the play offs.

 

[playahaitian]

Yeah. He was at or above 50% every game... wasn't like Lebron struggled..i remember that series clearly.. Wade is just done because of the injury to his knee... a shell... and it was actually on defense where they looked bad... they couldnt defend the perimeter. that ball movement killed them

I was still wrong, but that was my overall point.

he did average over 57% from the field though and 37 minutes a game and 30 points a game.

that is NOT shutting someone down.

 

[Spectrum]

I was still wrong, but that was my overall point.

he did average over 57% from the field though and 37 minutes a game and 30 points a game.

that is NOT shutting someone down.

Lebron played well... it just that they lost a step that year... the peremeter defense was bad and they couldnt get past the wade injury. Wade was so bad that playoffs that he was sitting against the Bulls and complaining about minutes

 

[Spectrum]

I was still wrong, but that was my overall point.

he did average over 57% from the field though and 37 minutes a game and 30 points a game.

that is NOT shutting someone down.

Iggy and Kawhi getting MVPs when primarily defending Lebron was mainly because they didn't allow Lebron to completely destroy them. Lebron destroyed the Warriors in 2016.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

Jordan's adversity to overcome in the Finals was food poisoning before a game. How trivial is that compared to the 2019 Warriors?

Yes and No. In his case he was also the offense for the Bulls. Golden State’s loss of offensive was staggering. It was a defensive windfall for Toronto who could double and triple team Curry because there wasn’t anyone else to consistently pick up the slack.

That said you have to question Kerr’s choice to not play a more athletic player like Bell more of Jerko(?). He elected to go small when size would have mattered.

 

[Mr. Met]

 

[HeathCliff]

Not a single thing he said was a lie

 

[playahaitian]

Lebron played well... it just that they lost a step that year... the peremeter defense was bad and they couldnt get past the wade injury. Wade was so bad that playoffs that he was sitting against the Bulls and complaining about minutes

facts..

but its crazy how these fans are now...

Its like you CANNOT appreciate Steph Lebron KD and Kawhi.

but they use the same metrics to defend one and hate on another.

Remember when EVERYONE killed lebron who will probably go down in league history as playing the MOST minutes because of Olympics playoffs and finals and world championships for LOAD MANAGEMENT?

But Kawaii took off damn near 20 games this year... crickets.

EVERYONE conveniently forgets Steph was seriously injured this season.

And that Boogie was coming off his SECOND major injury?

Steph lost KD and Klay..

but Lebron lost Kyrie and Love before and no one wanted to acknowledge it.

Steph has NEVER played in the playoffs WITHOUT an injury...

this is FACTS.

My point is ALWAYS the same.

This is the NBA

EVERY SINGLE DAMN CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM HAS DEALT WITH THESE FORMS OF ADVERSITY...

its NOT excuses

its FACTS

but that doesn't INVALIDATE your win or excuse your lost

but its ALL part of the process.

What Steph Klay and KD did was courageous

why does the public need BLOOD to acknowledge these players greatness?

(I will not go into how these fans HATE black athletes and dehumanizes right now , its Friday)

 

[Lower9Nupe]

Here we go wit the "only Steph sees double teams in the NBA, its a testament to his greatness" Warrior homer logic.

This ain’t rocket science Bruh. I will assume you’ve played some form of sport in your life. If so, you know (maybe you haven’t and you don’t) but I have played multiple and we always knew who was the biggest threat and devised plan for that person. As I said earlier, taking out the PG is an easy one. Especially one that opens things up the way Steph does. Don’t let your light-skin hate eliminate you from sane conversations.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

facts..

but its crazy how these fans are now...

Its like you CANNOT appreciate Steph Lebron KD and Kawhi.

but they use the same metrics to defend one and hate on another.

Remember when EVERYONE killed lebron who will probably go down in league history as playing the MOST minutes because of Olympics playoffs and finals and world championships for LOAD MANAGEMENT?

But Kawaii took off damn near 20 games this year... crickets.

EVERYONE conveniently forgets Steph was seriously injured this season.

And that Boogie was coming off his SECOND major injury?

Steph lost KD and Klay..

but Lebron lost Kyrie and Love before and no one wanted to acknowledge it.

Steph has NEVER played in the playoffs WITHOUT an injury...

this is FACTS.

My point is ALWAYS the same.

This is the NBA

EVERY SINGLE DAMN CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM HAS DEALT WITH THESE FORMS OF ADVERSITY...

its NOT excuses

its FACTS

but that doesn't INVALIDATE your win or excuse your lost

but its ALL part of the process.

What Steph Klay and KD did was courageous

why does the public need BLOOD to acknowledge these players greatness?

(I will not go into how these fans HATE black athletes and dehumanizes right now , its Friday)

Those aren’t basketball fans. They’re LeBron fans when it comes to Golden State. (lol)