New Dave Chappelle Special” The Closer” October 5th

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I enjoyed it a lot. More so than his last couple of Netflix ones. I laughed a lot.

I don't give a fuck about trannies :dunno:

If you don't think your big ass in a dress and heels pretending to be a woman is funny, that's on you
Whoa, so you missed the joke and premise mother fucking entirely. Dave would throw you out the clubhouse for that shit.
 

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I think you're not getting it.

Pronouns are "he, she, them, her, him".
Its why he said "who's upset at me, one them or many thems"

Those are proper pronouns, the way these people identify themselves. Not a generalized term like "gay"

And he is calling out the ridiculousness of this culture that it was harder for Cassius Clay to change his name than Caitlyn Jenner was to become a woman. You can't say shit about gays or LGBTQRST without offending them. And the actual fact that they are trying to get his show canceled is comedy in itself, the very thing he spoke on, cancel culture in today's idiocracy.
It's they. Damn y'all fuckin up the jokes.

"They after you Dave!"

"Is it one they or many theys?"
 

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not Duran Duran hair....

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side note: & I loved the group Duran Duran, I'm not here for the Duran Duran slander but ..... :lol:
It was just a reference...they cool. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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What is so funny is ultimately Dave sends jokes at everyone....he flat out says my target isn't gays, Asians, Trans, Jews....etc.... "it's white people."

What was not said was

"But in the meantime ALl OF Y'ALL are gonna catch these jokes!"

And the fact that THEY (one "They" and many "Theys") can't take a damn joke is the joke!

"You want equality right?

Then I should be able to joke on you too!"

Because the moment they establish that jokes cannot be made, equality is off the table.
My only issue is at some point theres going to be a non black comedian who will go hard on BLM or some other black organization and various black people and blacks as a group and the question at that point the question becomes are we going to take it and say jokes is jokes or are we gonna be like :fuckyousay:

cuz cats around here get short memories or believe the world should only work in one way..
 

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My only issue is at some point theres going to be a non black comedian who will go hard on BLM or some other black organization and various black people and blacks as a group and the question at that point the question becomes are we going to take it and say jokes is jokes or are we gonna be like :fuckyousay:

cuz cats around here get short memories or believe the world should only work in one way..
It depends on the comedian;

Adam Corolla, fuck that cac.

Bill Burr, he gets some leeway.....

And the joke, cuz we all know that with some of these mfkrs "jokes" ain't really jokes. There's a lot of implied and covert racism in "comedy."
 

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It depends on the comedian;

Adam Corolla, fuck that cac.

Bill Burr, he gets some leeway.....

And the joke, cuz we all know that with some of these mfkrs "jokes" ain't really jokes. There's a lot of implied and covert racism in "comedy."
uh uh homie.... thats not what chappelle himself says....he talks about it in the first few minutes of his mark twain speech...



that means that corolla on stage or doing his podshow is in bounds... :dunno: this is what I'm talking about when I say that sword cuts both ways. Dave is defending his craft and we (black folks) laff because its someone else in the hotseat. I don't think some of us are mindful about what that means.
 

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uh uh homie.... thats not what chappelle himself says....he talks about it in the first few minutes of his mark twain speech...



that means that corolla on stage or doing his podshow is in bounds... :dunno: this is what I'm talking about when I say that sword cuts both ways. Dave is defending his craft and we (black folks) laff because its someone else in the hotseat. I don't think some of us are mindful about what that means.



Eeehhh....not so fast.

He says comedians watch civilians fight it out......but they don't do that to.each other. They talk it out. And while it may not be that serious to Dave....even he knows this "Cancel Coulture" train is firmly on its track.....
 

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Eeehhh....not so fast.

He says comedians watch civilians fight it out......but they don't do that to.each other. They talk it out. And while it may not be that serious to Dave....even he knows this "Cancel Coulture" train is firmly on its track.....

true but dave hates cancel culture over jokes regardless of how caustic they are or whose telling them. That was the whole point of the last special. AND dave also truly has questions and disagreements with the trans community. In certain ways he may as well be adam corolla to them.
 

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true but dave hates cancel culture over jokes regardless of how caustic they are or whose telling them. That was the whole point of the last special. AND dave also truly has questions and disagreements with the trans community. In certain ways he may as well be adam corolla to them.

In Dave's case I think they are totally wrong about him. There is no ill intent or maliciousness in his jokes.....A guy like Carolla, like Dave said, "He really means that shit."

Dave embraced one of their own and when he was canceled, he watched as they cannibalized that same person. All in the name of "canceling" Dave.......and his point on that was valid....

"Y'all want equality, love and inclusion but are willing to sacrifice one of your own as long as it means punching down on me." He subtlety pointed out how they are doing what they accuse him of doing.


And what's wild is conservatives are loving this. There are quite a few think pieces and reaction videos talking about Dave's special shows that everyone but "liberals" can take a joke......

"How Sway?!"

Yet none of those mention that conservatives won't even acknowledge their existence. Conservatives don't respect them and do everything in their power to restrict even the appearance of equality for the LBGTQ community.
 
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My only issue is at some point theres going to be a non black comedian who will go hard on BLM or some other black organization and various black people and blacks as a group and the question at that point the question becomes are we going to take it and say jokes is jokes or are we gonna be like :fuckyousay:

cuz cats around here get short memories or believe the world should only work in one way..
thats bullshit
lisa lampanelli has said plenty of fucked up black people jokes and we said fuck it its comedy
not once have we tried to cancel her
fuck those trannies
 

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thats bullshit
lisa lampanelli has said plenty of fucked up black people jokes and we said fuck it its comedy
not once have we tried to cancel her
fuck those trannies
She was like 15 years ago?....when was the last time anyone seen her in stand up ?
 

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dont change the rules to your argument
thats bitch shit
I'm not changing the rules of the argument. but audience reaction from 2008 to 2021 is completely different. Also chappelle said some things that went beyond just mocking what trans say or how they act.. he mocked and questioned their existence period. Lampenelli never did that. She may have made of how they dress or acted or fucked but she never questioned why they exist...even then and again that queen of mean thing she did in 08 isn't something she's doing in 2021.
 

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I'm not changing the rules of the argument. but audience reaction from 2008 to 2021 is completely different. Also chappelle said some things that went beyond just mocking what trans say or how they act.. he mocked and questioned their existence period. Lampenelli never did that. She may have made of how they dress or acted or fucked but she never questioned why they exist...even then and again that queen of mean thing she did in 08 isn't something she's doing in 2021.

Where did he mock and question their existence in The Closer?
 

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Where did he mock and question their existence in The Closer?
Dave went in on trans thru out his whole netflix run so its no just one time in closer but here's an example.



I'm not saying dave shouldn't have the right to say it at all... I'm saying should anyone be surprised they took exception to that?

people forget that chappelle is a muslim so even tho he's funny AF his values and perceptions may not align with alot of people.

on another note...just saw this..




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Dave went in on trans thru out his whole netflix run so its no just one time in closer but here's an example.



I'm not saying dave shouldn't have the right to say it at all... I'm saying should anyone be surprised they took exception to that?


I can see why one would have an issue with that joke.
 

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Netflix’s Ted Sarandos Tells Staff That Dave Chappelle’s Special Doesn’t Cross ‘Line on Hate’
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Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos told staff that Dave Chappelle’s comedy special The Closer does not cross the streaming service’s “line on hate” in an October 9 memo obtained by Variety. “I recognize, however, that distinguishing between commentary and harm is hard, especially with stand-up comedy which exists to push boundaries,” Sarandos wrote. “Some people find the art of stand-up to be mean-spirited but our members enjoy it, and it’s an important part of our content offering.” Chappelle’s special has been criticized as anti-trans by LGBTQ+ groups and individuals, including trans Netflix software engineer Terra Field, who spoke out against the special on Twitter and has reportedly since been suspended with two other employees for crashing the company’s quarterly business review without an invite. (Netflix said no employees were suspended for tweets about the show.) According to Variety, Sarandos addressed concerns about Chappelle’s special during the business review and sent the memo after the event.
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In the message, Sarandos noted that Netflix has a long-standing deal with Chappelle, adding that the comedian’s last special, Sticks & Stones, was also controversial and has garnered more views and awards than any of the streaming service’s other stand-up specials to date. Referencing some of Netflix’s other controversial titles, such as Cuties and 13 Reasons Why, Sarandos said that Netflix strives to support “creative freedom — even though this means there will always be content on Netflix some people believe is harmful.” The co-CEO stated that the company is committed to inclusion and is proud to offer shows like Sex Education and Young Royals. However, he said, “particularly in stand-up comedy, artistic freedom is obviously a very different standard of speech than we allow internally as the goals are different: entertaining people versus maintaining a respectful, productive workplace.”

I wanted to follow up on The Closer – Dave Chappelle’s latest special – as several of you have reached out following QBR asking what to say to your teams. It never feels good when people are hurting, especially our colleagues, so I wanted to give you some additional context. You should also be aware that some talent may join third parties in asking us to remove the show in the coming days, which we are not going to do.

Chappelle is one of the most popular stand-up comedians today, and we have a long standing deal with him. His last special, Sticks & Stones, also controversial, is our most watched, stickiest, and most award winning stand-up special to date. As with our other talent, we work hard to support their creative freedom – even though this means there will always be content on Netflix some people believe is harmful, like Cuties, 365 Days, 13 Reasons Why, or My Unorthodox Life.

Several of you have also asked where we draw the line on hate. We don’t allow titles on Netflix that are designed to incite hate or violence, and we don’t believe The Closer crosses that line. I recognize, however, that distinguishing between commentary and harm is hard, especially with stand-up comedy which exists to push boundaries. Some people find the art of stand-up to be mean-spirited but our members enjoy it, and it’s an important part of our content offering.

In terms of our commitment to inclusion, we’re working hard to ensure more people see their lives reflected on screen and that under-represented communities are not defined by the single story. So we’re proud of titles like Sex Education, Young Royals, Control Z and Disclosure. Externally, particularly in stand-up comedy, artistic freedom is obviously a very different standard of speech than we allow internally as the goals are different: entertaining people versus maintaining a respectful, productive workplace.

Today’s conversation on Entertain the World was timely. These are hard and uncomfortable issues. We all bring different values and perspectives so thank you for being part of the conversation as it’s important we’re clear about our operating principles.

-Ted
 

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Trans activists, comedians grapple with Dave Chapelle's 'complicated' Netflix special




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Tue, October 12, 2021, 5:43 PM·11 min read


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Dave Chappelle is in hot water after making what some are calling "insensitive" jokes about trans people in his latest special. But others have come to his defense. (Photo: Stacy Revere/Getty Images)
It’s been a tumultuous week for comedian Dave Chappelle, whose release of his latest Netflix special, The Closer, didn't land as smoothly as some may have hoped.
The sixth and final special in the comedian’s multi-million dollar deal with the streaming giant, which was released globally on Oct. 5, was met with a slew of backlash from queer activists and allies who argued that his jokes about the LGBTQ community were incendiary, disrespectful and dangerous, especially for transgender women of color.
What happened?
During the special, Chappelle touched on several hot-button issues including DaBaby’s recent off-base comments about HIV, J.K. Rowling’s controversial anti-trans statements in 2019, cancel culture as a whole and his personal experience with the trans community — including the loss of a dear friend who died by suicide after being bullied online for defending him.
“You know a lot of the LGBTQ community doesn’t know DaBaby’s history, he’s a wild guy,” Chappelle said in the special. “He once shot a n****… and killed him — in Walmart. Oh, this is true, Google it. DaBaby shot and killed a n**** in Walmart in North Carolina. Nothing bad happened to his career. Do you see where I am going with this? In our country, you can shoot and kill a n**** but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings.”
For context, DaBaby fueled HIV misinformation onstage by suggesting it was a “deadly sexually transmitted disease” that will make you “die in two, three weeks,” which is anything but true. In fact, people living with HIV live long, healthy lives and cannot transmit the virus to others so long as their viral load is suppressed. Following his comments, the rapper was bombarded by critics and has since apologized.
“Remember, taking a man’s livelihood is akin to killing him. I’m begging you, please do not abort DaBaby,” Chappelle later quipped in The Closer.
Cancel culture was also a recurring theme throughout the special. When discussing the backlash against Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, who has been under scrutiny by trans activists following comments she made about gender identity that were viewed as divisive and triggering for trans women, Chappelle was no-holds barred.
“They started calling her a TERF,” Chappelle said of the acronym for a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, or a feminist who believes that biological sex determines gender, which contradicts the argument trans and nonbinary activists have made to affirm their existence — that gender identity is more complex and nuanced than one’s biological sex.
“I didn’t even know what the f*** [TERF] was, but I know that trans people make up words to win arguments,” Chappelle said onstage. “I’m team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact... Every human being in this room, every human being on earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. That is a fact.”
Chappelle’s comments were unwelcomed by some trans activists and allies, including some at Netflix, who criticized the streaming platform for publishing content they deemed was harmful to their community.
Last week, Terra Field, a queer/trans senior software engineer at Netflix, called out Chappelle on Twitter, arguing that his jokes have real-life ramifications.

“Promoting TERF ideology (which is what we did by giving it a platform yesterday) directly harms trans people, it is not some neutral act,” Field wrote. “This is not an argument with two sides. It is an argument with trans people who want to be alive and people who don't want us to be.”







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Netflix's response
Days later, it was reported that Netflix allegedly suspended three employees — including Field — for reportedly “crashing a meeting of its top executives” in protest. The company later denied that the employees were suspended for tweeting about the special but rather for “attending a recent leadership meeting without proper clearance,” according to reports, telling the Los Angeles Times, "Our employees are encouraged to disagree openly and we support their right to do so."
In the wake of the controversy, Netflix's co-CEO Ted Sarandos sent out a memo siding with the comedian in defense of creative freedom, writing, "Chappelle is one of the most popular stand-up comedians today, and we have a long standing deal with him," adding of internal concerns, "As with our other talent, we work hard to support their creative freedom — even though this means there will always be content on Netflix some people believe is harmful."
'Now the victims have become the bullies'
Jaclyn Moore, showrunner of Netflix’s Dear White People, and a trans woman, called for a boycott of Netflix over the insensitive jokes, telling Variety that while she “never loved Dave’s trans material before,” it was the “first time I felt like, ‘Oh, people are laughing at this joke and they’re agreeing that it’s absurd to call me a woman.’”
Trans activists are making their voices heard, too. Raquel Willis, a Black trans activist, writer and thought leader, says that Chappelle’s views are part of a larger “structural barrier” that keeps Black trans people from being “masters of their own narratives.”
“We see a lot of folks who are not within that demographic being allowed to be the mouthpiece,” Willis tells Yahoo Entertainment. “For all of the discussion around ‘intersectionality’ being a buzzword over the last decade, there seems to still be a fundamental lack of understanding around this concept. There continues to be a lot of ‘oppression Olympics’ when it comes to discussing race and gender, and so many other dimensions of identity and experience. And so you can have someone who in one way is marginalized — like Dave Chappelle as a Black man — be able to use that as a shield to further the marginalization of other people, i.e. the LGBTQ-plus community, and particularly the trans community.
“I think that that is one of the major failures of Chappelle’s work,” she adds. “There's this idea that you can just flatly equate gender and race, and kind of switch them out amongst these other conversations around ‘Who's the most oppressed?’ And it's actually a lot more complicated than that.”

Furthermore, Willis argues, despite the trans community becoming more “visible” in recent years, it doesn’t mean that real progress has been made — socially, culturally and politically — toward justice and equity. “People have this idea that we have won so many fights that we actually haven’t,” she says. “Winning over more visibility does not mean that we actually have as authentic representation out in the world as people think."
Meanwhile, Flame Monroe, a Black trans standup comic who’s been working for nearly two decades, tells Yahoo Entertainment, “I see all facets of the Chappelle controversy. As a comedian, I don't want to be censored. As a trans woman, I want to be treated fairly in this country. And as a Black person, I want the equal rights that we've been promised. But I'm a fair person. I see the whole world and not half of the world.”
Monroe continues, “The safest place for comics to be is on a stage with a microphone and a willing audience. If you start censoring [comics], you're going to miss out on so many things. A comedian’s job is not only to make you critically think, but it's also to talk about things that make you uncomfortable, that are happening in the world — you may not be able to say it because you might lose your job. But my job is to bring information to you. My job is to bring it to the light.”
Other comedians, such as Damon Wayans agree, recently telling TMZ that Chappelle “freed the slaves,” referring to comedians. “We were slaves to PC culture and he just, you know — as an artist he’s Van Gogh. He cut his ear off. He’s trying to tell us it’s OK.”

It's complicated
To that point, Chappelle spoke directly to the LGBTQ community at the end of his set. “I’m not telling another joke about you until we are both sure that we are laughing together,” Chappelle said. “I’m telling you this is done. I’m done talking about it. All I ask from your community, with all humility, will you please stop punching down on my people?”
Monroe argues that even within the LGBTQ community, “context and research” are often missing when comedians make certain jokes, leading to a useless “tug of war” over who’s right and wrong.
“It is hypocrisy. Now the victims have become the bullies,” she says. “The LGBTQIA community keeps asking for inclusion — 'see us, accept us' — but not in our own community. The tug of war is not with us and them. The tug of war is in our own community.
“The rainbow flag is beautiful in the front but look at the back of it,” Monroe points out. “There are cracks, potholes, racism, ageism, classism, sexism, right there in the community. We can't ask to be repaired outside of our community when we won't fix what's going on in our own community, which is why we keep lashing out at everybody else who doesn’t speak like us.
“As a transgender person, he didn't say anything that was a lie,” she adds, explaining that while online critics “went after” his jokes, “no one pointed out his heartbreak” over the loss of his friend, Daphne Dwarman.
Later in the special, Chappelle gave a touching tribute to Dwarman, a young trans comic who he described as “the coolest person I ever met.” Soon after they met, he asked Dwarman to be the opening act for his shows each time he stopped in San Francisco. It was an opportunity of a lifetime for Dwarman, though her first night was anything but a showstopper. “This b**** bombed for 45 minutes straight,” Chappelle quipped in the special.
Regardless, their friendship continued to grow, and eventually Dwarman “blew the roof off the place," he acknowledged. Even when the trans community “dragged” him on Twitter over distasteful jokes from his prior special, Sticks and Stones, Dwarman rose up to defend him by acknowledging their friendship and the huge risk he took in hiring her.
“The hardest thing for a person to do is go against their tribe if they disagree with their tribe, but Daphne did that for me,” he said of Dwarman, who eventually became a target on Twitter for defending the comic.
Days later, Dwarman died by suicide. “My heart was broken,” Chappelle recalled of hearing the news of her death. “I don’t know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her [on Twitter] didn’t help. I was very angry at [trans activists]. I was very angry at her.”
Chappelle would later start a fund to support Dwarman's daughter, which Dwarman's family confirmed. “Empathy is not gay. Empathy is not Black. Empathy is bisexual. It must go both ways,” he said in the special. “And I don’t know what the trans community did for her but I don’t care, because I feel like she wasn’t their tribe, she was mine. She was a comedian in her soul.”

While Dwarman’s story is indeed heartbreaking, Willis argues that it shouldn’t be considered “evidence that [Chappelle] understands the trans experience enough to be an authority on us to share with the world.”
Monroe, who’s had a ring of successful Netflix specials including Tiffany Haddish’s They Ready and the series Netflix Is a Joke, reiterates that comedy is meant to push boundaries because its purpose is to show that we’re more alike than we are different. “We all go through the same thing," she says. "And that's what Dave Chappelle said in his special."

 

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Damon Wayans says Dave Chappelle’s Netflix special freed comedian ‘slaves’





“Someone needs to look us in the eye and say, ‘You’re no longer free in this country,’ ” Wayans said of backlash to “The Closer”
Comedian Damon Wayans told TMZ that the latest Dave Chappelle Netflix special, The Closer, “freed the slaves.”
“The comedians. We were slaves to PC culture,” Wayans opined in an impromptu interview, when asked about his longtime friend’s controversial stand-up offering. “As an artist, he’s Van Gogh with his ear off. He’s trying to tell us, ‘It’s okay.’ ”
In this Feb. 2004 photo, comedians and friends Damon Wayans (left) and Dave Chappelle (right) hang out at the New York Knicks versus Cleveland Cavaliers NBA game at Madison Square Garden. (Photo: Ray Amati/Getty Images)

“I’ve always been free,” Wayans noted, but he felt that Chappelle was saying, “all that I have, I’m not afraid to lose it for the sake of freedom of speech.”
“You can’t edit yourself,” said Wayans. “Comedians … we’re like … Mercedes makes a great car, but they gotta crash a lot of them before they perfect it.”

Asked about the backlash The Closer has received — the comedy special features several minutes of jokes about transgender people — he responded: “I can’t speak about the content of the show. But what I say is there’s a bigger conversation we need to have. Someone needs to look us in the eye and say, ‘You’re no longer free in this country. You’re not free to say what you want; you say what we want you to say. Otherwise, we will cancel you.’ That’s the discussion we need to have.”
Chappelle, said Wayans, is a “unicorn and amazing.”
In The Closer, Chappelle states, “Gender is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. That is a fact.”
In an email to employees, Ted Sarandos, the co-CEO of the streaming giant Netflix, which has presented several of Chappelle’s comedy specials, wrote: “Several of you have also asked where we draw the line on hate. We don’t allow titles on Netflix that are designed to incite hate or violence, and we don’t believe The Closer crosses that line.”
“I recognize, however, that distinguishing between commentary and harm is hard, especially with stand-up comedy, which exists to push boundaries,” Sarandos opined to staff. “Some people find the art of stand-up to be mean-spirited but our members enjoy it, and it’s an important part of our content offering.”
GLAAD, the LGBTQ media advocacy organization, has condemned the special and issued a statement about it on Monday, writing, “Netflix has a policy that content ‘designed to incite hate or violence’ is not allowed on the platform, but we all know that anti-LGBTQ content does exactly that. While Netflix is home to groundbreaking LGBTQ stories, now is the time for Netflix execs to listen to LGBTQ employees, industry leaders, and audiences, and commit to living up to their own standards.”
 
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