I had thought that they played each other since they were teammates, so I didn’t understand Draymond saying what he said?
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I do not understand where this comes from between them but I don't think there is any excuse for it.
I remember EVERYONE was up in arms when people said Draymond needed therapy.
Okay... so now that means no more excuses for him. He did this DELIBERATELY and no matter the pleas he copping now?
It was malicious.
And he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
The trashiest.
it's true you been said that and I've defended Dray in the past for a lot for his continued foolishness. He not a good guy. Even his bullsh*t apologies are bad.
And he remains hyper critical and opinionated of others but never of himself.
That podcast line at the end was the height of sucker.
Wonder if Baron Davis really co signs this?
In the end I don't think that he was being malicious, he did deliberately mean to call KAT a pussy by "Ducking" Jimmy though.
He suffers from what many suffer from, he has a big ego and is unable to admit that he's wrong and apologize.
Why I say malicious?
His INTENT was to hurt Kat period and label him scared.
He COULD have have done the laziest fact check ever and consciously decided NOT to.
His main focus was to sh*t on Kat regardless. And hop on his platform to do it.
So to me that has malice.
Him being WRONG about everything just makes it more of a sh*tshow.
You’re right
Dumb ass Chris Broussard apparently co signed Draymond before confirming for himself...
Sad
Draymond Green’s grudge against Karl-Anthony Towns: Fact vs. fiction
The premise behind “The Draymond Green Show” has been clear from its inception. The podcast offered one of the league’s most outspoken players a chance to express himself and talk about the game directly to fans without the usual filter of the media to distort any of his thoughts or statements.
Straight from the baller’s mouth. The real stories of the game and its people from someone who lives it and understands it better than any member of the media who has never played the game ever could. The candor with which Green speaks, both on his podcast and in his interviews with basketball media, is refreshing. The conversations he has, including with co-host Baron Davis, can be both entertaining and enlightening.
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But there is a downside to a forum that allows him to pontificate without challenge or follow-up when someone who poses as the ultimate truth-teller spouts falsehoods so clearly and irresponsibly off base simply because it fits into some existing narrative that he believes to be true. Green let his contempt for Karl-Anthony Towns lead him to surmise that KAT’s absence from the New York Knicks’ game against the Golden State Warriors had something to do with his perceived fear of former teammate Jimmy Butler.
“Some would say he didn’t play because Jimmy was in the building,” Green said on his podcast. “I don’t know.”
Green’s unsubstantiated speculation spread far and wide, even hooking FS1’s Chris Broussard, who parroted the theory on the “First Things First” television show.
The truth is that Green’s second statement was the most accurate thing he said on his podcast with Davis about Towns’ absence. He didn’t know. That seems to call for an examination of the facts vs. the fiction about the latest incident of Green vs. Towns.
Fiction: “They say KAT didn’t play because Jimmy came into town,” Green said. “You know him and Jimmy had the infamous practice in Minnesota. I don’t know, I don’t know what was hurt. I didn’t look that deep into it to figure out what his injury was or nothing like that.”
Fact: Towns missed the game to be there for girlfriend Jordyn Woods and her family as they mourned the loss of a close friend to cancer. He was listed as out for “personal reasons,” not because of an injury. That designation is intentionally vague so the team does not have to force a player to divulge private family matters such as that. But whenever that phrasing is used, it is done so to signify that there could be a matter of much more consequence than a regular-season basketball game in early March. It would have taken Green less than 30 seconds to do an internet search and see why Towns was listed as out.
Fiction: Towns has some deep-seated fear of Butler, who tormented him when they were teammates in Minnesota, including during an infamously fiery practice not long before he was traded to Philadelphia in 2018.
Jimmy Butler, then with the Heat, defends against Karl-Anthony Towns in Miami on October 30, 2024. (Carmen Mandato / Getty Images)
Fact: Towns has not ducked Butler once since he was traded. His teams have faced Butler’s teams 14 times since the Wolves sent Butler to Philly. Towns has missed two of those games, each one because of legitimate injuries that caused him to miss long stretches of games. He missed one of the matchups against the Heat in 2020 in the middle of a 12-game absence because of a wrist injury.
He missed another game against the Heat in 2022 because of a calf injury that kept him out for three months.
The last time Towns’ team faced Butler’s came on Oct. 30 of this season, when the Knicks were in Miami to take on the Heat. Towns had 44 points and 13 rebounds in a Knicks win. His team’s record against Butler’s teams since the trade is 9-5.
Part of the reason that Towns is on the winning side of the ledger so convincingly in head-to-heads against Butler’s teams is that Butler is the one who often has not been present for the games. He sat out six of the 14 games, with only one of those absences coming in the middle of an extended stretch on the sideline because of an injury. He sat out two games at Target Center, one in 2019 and one in 2023, even though both came just three games into Miami’s season.
Fiction: Towns is soft, as a person and a player. That is the implication that Green’s remarks carry, extending a long-running narrative against Towns.
Fact: Towns does have a completely different personality than players like Green and Butler, who pride themselves on talking about toughness and have used that persona to great success in the playoffs. Green has won four championships with the Warriors. Butler carried the Heat to two NBA Finals appearances.
Towns has always displayed a more fun-loving quality than a player like Green. He is big on connection and family and views basketball as a stage for himself, but not what defines him.
It always felt like the great divide between Butler and Towns came from Butler’s view that Towns never dealt with hardship like he did growing up. Indeed, Towns was never homeless as a kid like Butler had been. KAT grew up with two loving parents, was a big-time recruit in high school and went to powerhouse Kentucky for a year before being drafted No. 1 overall by the Wolves in 2015.
Butler and Green took more winding roads to stardom. Butler went from junior college to Marquette and then was a late first-round draft pick by the Bulls, needing to scratch and claw for playing time before emerging as an All-Star. Green was a second-round pick, discounted because of his lack of size and was stuck behind David Lee early in his career before he became one of the best defensive players in league history.
But Towns has shown ample amounts of toughness in his career. He lost his mother and several people close to him to COVID-19 during the pandemic. He returned from knee surgery late last season, then was integral in playoff series wins over Phoenix and Denver — the first time in 20 years that the Wolves had advanced out of the first round. A different kind of toughness, but toughness nonetheless.
Fiction: Green’s apology, when confronted about it after a win over the Nets, was sufficient. “Oh, man, That’s unfortunate. I’m sorry to hear that. That sucks,” Green told reporters in Brooklyn after he was told why Towns missed the game. “But my comments that I made, was that ‘what I heard was this. And that’s what I heard.’ So I do send my well wishes to him and his family. We all experience death in one way or another, and we’ll all experience it the same way one day. So it’s unfortunate. You never wish that on anybody. But the ‘Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis’ must go on. I definitely wish them well and wish their family well. You know, we all go through that. And it’s never easy for anyone. But the ‘Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis’ will go on.”
Fact: That feels like the kind of response that would draw a strong rebuke from Green were the shoe on the other foot. It was disingenuous. He did not take ownership of his mistake. Instead, he insisted that his podcast would continue even though no one was saying that it should end. The lack of accountability and quick pivot to self-promotion was not a good look.
Fiction: Green is the heir apparent to Charles Barkley. Green has been trying to position himself as the next former player to become a “fearless” truth-teller on television. He sat in on the set during the playoffs last season, a strong signal that he was gaining consideration for one day taking over for Barkley, who has openly discussed retirement for several years. Barkley is an icon, having made untold millions while delivering bombastic comments for Turner Sports for decades. He is part of the best studio show in sports history, sitting alongside Ernie Johnson, Shaquille O’Neal and Kenny Smith. It is a property so valuable and important to the NBA product that ESPN orchestrated a groundbreaking trade with TNT Sports to bring the show over after the NBA leaves TNT following this season.
Fact: Green is unabashed in his analysis of the game and the league, which is in some ways admirable because he is still an active player. But his analysis lacks much of the endearing, self-deprecating cheekiness that makes Barkley so popular. His criticisms often feel less grounded in clear-eyed evaluation of the game and more on settling scores. The razor-tongued excoriation of the league for including a Rising Stars team at All-Star Weekend this year did not come off as boldly speaking truth to power. Instead, it felt like he was bullying a bunch of young players who one day hope they could be relied upon to take the torch when Steph Curry, LeBron James and Kevin Durant retire.
Last season, he turned the Western Conference playoffs postgame shows into a nightly roast of Rudy Gobert and the Timberwolves, whether it was warranted or not. The Athletic reported after the Wolves lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the conference finals that Green’s criticism felt so personal at times that the team decided as a whole to not send a player to join the show after winning Game 4. KAT, of course, was a member of that Minnesota squad.
If Green does want to take over for Barkley one day, he does not have to eliminate the cutting commentary. That will get attention and clicks and engagement, which is the currency of our time. But he will have to find a way to connect with the audience on another level. It is one thing to be the ornery uncle, but fans have to know there is a heart somewhere under all of that grousing. Pettiness will only get you so far.
(Top photo of Draymond Green: Thearon W. Henderson / Getty Images)
Jon Krawczynski is a senior writer for The Athletic covering the Minnesota Timberwolves, the NBA and the Minnesota Vikings. Jon joined The Athletic after 16 years at The Associated Press, where he covered three Olympics, three NBA Finals, two Ryder Cups and the 2009 NFC Championship Game. Follow Jon on Twitter @JonKrawczynski
Straight from the baller’s mouth. The real stories of the game and its people from someone who lives it and understands it better than any member of the media who has never played the game ever could. The candor with which Green speaks, both on his podcast and in his interviews with basketball media, is refreshing. The conversations he has, including with co-host Baron Davis, can be both entertaining and enlightening.
Advertisement
But there is a downside to a forum that allows him to pontificate without challenge or follow-up when someone who poses as the ultimate truth-teller spouts falsehoods so clearly and irresponsibly off base simply because it fits into some existing narrative that he believes to be true. Green let his contempt for Karl-Anthony Towns lead him to surmise that KAT’s absence from the New York Knicks’ game against the Golden State Warriors had something to do with his perceived fear of former teammate Jimmy Butler.
“Some would say he didn’t play because Jimmy was in the building,” Green said on his podcast. “I don’t know.”
Green’s unsubstantiated speculation spread far and wide, even hooking FS1’s Chris Broussard, who parroted the theory on the “First Things First” television show.
The truth is that Green’s second statement was the most accurate thing he said on his podcast with Davis about Towns’ absence. He didn’t know. That seems to call for an examination of the facts vs. the fiction about the latest incident of Green vs. Towns.
Fiction: “They say KAT didn’t play because Jimmy came into town,” Green said. “You know him and Jimmy had the infamous practice in Minnesota. I don’t know, I don’t know what was hurt. I didn’t look that deep into it to figure out what his injury was or nothing like that.”
Fact: Towns missed the game to be there for girlfriend Jordyn Woods and her family as they mourned the loss of a close friend to cancer. He was listed as out for “personal reasons,” not because of an injury. That designation is intentionally vague so the team does not have to force a player to divulge private family matters such as that. But whenever that phrasing is used, it is done so to signify that there could be a matter of much more consequence than a regular-season basketball game in early March. It would have taken Green less than 30 seconds to do an internet search and see why Towns was listed as out.
Fiction: Towns has some deep-seated fear of Butler, who tormented him when they were teammates in Minnesota, including during an infamously fiery practice not long before he was traded to Philadelphia in 2018.
Jimmy Butler, then with the Heat, defends against Karl-Anthony Towns in Miami on October 30, 2024. (Carmen Mandato / Getty Images)
Fact: Towns has not ducked Butler once since he was traded. His teams have faced Butler’s teams 14 times since the Wolves sent Butler to Philly. Towns has missed two of those games, each one because of legitimate injuries that caused him to miss long stretches of games. He missed one of the matchups against the Heat in 2020 in the middle of a 12-game absence because of a wrist injury.
He missed another game against the Heat in 2022 because of a calf injury that kept him out for three months.
The last time Towns’ team faced Butler’s came on Oct. 30 of this season, when the Knicks were in Miami to take on the Heat. Towns had 44 points and 13 rebounds in a Knicks win. His team’s record against Butler’s teams since the trade is 9-5.
Part of the reason that Towns is on the winning side of the ledger so convincingly in head-to-heads against Butler’s teams is that Butler is the one who often has not been present for the games. He sat out six of the 14 games, with only one of those absences coming in the middle of an extended stretch on the sideline because of an injury. He sat out two games at Target Center, one in 2019 and one in 2023, even though both came just three games into Miami’s season.
Fiction: Towns is soft, as a person and a player. That is the implication that Green’s remarks carry, extending a long-running narrative against Towns.
Fact: Towns does have a completely different personality than players like Green and Butler, who pride themselves on talking about toughness and have used that persona to great success in the playoffs. Green has won four championships with the Warriors. Butler carried the Heat to two NBA Finals appearances.
Towns has always displayed a more fun-loving quality than a player like Green. He is big on connection and family and views basketball as a stage for himself, but not what defines him.
It always felt like the great divide between Butler and Towns came from Butler’s view that Towns never dealt with hardship like he did growing up. Indeed, Towns was never homeless as a kid like Butler had been. KAT grew up with two loving parents, was a big-time recruit in high school and went to powerhouse Kentucky for a year before being drafted No. 1 overall by the Wolves in 2015.
Butler and Green took more winding roads to stardom. Butler went from junior college to Marquette and then was a late first-round draft pick by the Bulls, needing to scratch and claw for playing time before emerging as an All-Star. Green was a second-round pick, discounted because of his lack of size and was stuck behind David Lee early in his career before he became one of the best defensive players in league history.
But Towns has shown ample amounts of toughness in his career. He lost his mother and several people close to him to COVID-19 during the pandemic. He returned from knee surgery late last season, then was integral in playoff series wins over Phoenix and Denver — the first time in 20 years that the Wolves had advanced out of the first round. A different kind of toughness, but toughness nonetheless.
Fiction: Green’s apology, when confronted about it after a win over the Nets, was sufficient. “Oh, man, That’s unfortunate. I’m sorry to hear that. That sucks,” Green told reporters in Brooklyn after he was told why Towns missed the game. “But my comments that I made, was that ‘what I heard was this. And that’s what I heard.’ So I do send my well wishes to him and his family. We all experience death in one way or another, and we’ll all experience it the same way one day. So it’s unfortunate. You never wish that on anybody. But the ‘Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis’ must go on. I definitely wish them well and wish their family well. You know, we all go through that. And it’s never easy for anyone. But the ‘Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis’ will go on.”
Fact: That feels like the kind of response that would draw a strong rebuke from Green were the shoe on the other foot. It was disingenuous. He did not take ownership of his mistake. Instead, he insisted that his podcast would continue even though no one was saying that it should end. The lack of accountability and quick pivot to self-promotion was not a good look.
Fiction: Green is the heir apparent to Charles Barkley. Green has been trying to position himself as the next former player to become a “fearless” truth-teller on television. He sat in on the set during the playoffs last season, a strong signal that he was gaining consideration for one day taking over for Barkley, who has openly discussed retirement for several years. Barkley is an icon, having made untold millions while delivering bombastic comments for Turner Sports for decades. He is part of the best studio show in sports history, sitting alongside Ernie Johnson, Shaquille O’Neal and Kenny Smith. It is a property so valuable and important to the NBA product that ESPN orchestrated a groundbreaking trade with TNT Sports to bring the show over after the NBA leaves TNT following this season.
Fact: Green is unabashed in his analysis of the game and the league, which is in some ways admirable because he is still an active player. But his analysis lacks much of the endearing, self-deprecating cheekiness that makes Barkley so popular. His criticisms often feel less grounded in clear-eyed evaluation of the game and more on settling scores. The razor-tongued excoriation of the league for including a Rising Stars team at All-Star Weekend this year did not come off as boldly speaking truth to power. Instead, it felt like he was bullying a bunch of young players who one day hope they could be relied upon to take the torch when Steph Curry, LeBron James and Kevin Durant retire.
Last season, he turned the Western Conference playoffs postgame shows into a nightly roast of Rudy Gobert and the Timberwolves, whether it was warranted or not. The Athletic reported after the Wolves lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the conference finals that Green’s criticism felt so personal at times that the team decided as a whole to not send a player to join the show after winning Game 4. KAT, of course, was a member of that Minnesota squad.
If Green does want to take over for Barkley one day, he does not have to eliminate the cutting commentary. That will get attention and clicks and engagement, which is the currency of our time. But he will have to find a way to connect with the audience on another level. It is one thing to be the ornery uncle, but fans have to know there is a heart somewhere under all of that grousing. Pettiness will only get you so far.
(Top photo of Draymond Green: Thearon W. Henderson / Getty Images)
Jon Krawczynski is a senior writer for The Athletic covering the Minnesota Timberwolves, the NBA and the Minnesota Vikings. Jon joined The Athletic after 16 years at The Associated Press, where he covered three Olympics, three NBA Finals, two Ryder Cups and the 2009 NFC Championship Game. Follow Jon on Twitter @JonKrawczynski
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Very sad
Agreed
Centel’d
Draymond was just backing up his new teammate, there’s nothing wrongly malicious in insinuating KAT was scared to play him.
Once the unfortunate circumstances became clear, Green should have done a better job of apologizing. It was a rare misstep from him. Pobody’s nerfect. Onward!
Once the unfortunate circumstances became clear, Green should have done a better job of apologizing. It was a rare misstep from him. Pobody’s nerfect. Onward!
These fools and their inability to recognize and failure not to spread fake news is the real scandal of the week.
Why I can’t stand this guy. Never takes any accountability but can’t wait to open his dick sucker!!
I'm sure she is fucking around to get insider info but dating, I doubt that. Duran too goofy and low level for her.
I just remembered Chris did this before and checked by Cuban
So the old media just as unprofessional as the new media
Trying to doge the NBA
Wow and good for him!
Can't stay healthy for shit
Tatum is invisible right now
One basket
One basket