AGENTS OF SHIELD CREATORS ON THE TEAM'S NEW UNDERDOG STATUS, MOCKINGBIRD AND MORE
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Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD: Season 2 debuted on ABC a couple weeks back, on the heels of the DVD and Blu-ray release of Season 1 of the series.
It’s been an interesting year for the first TV series set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which had a ton of attention when it debuted – and its fair share of criticism. Many -- myself included -- felt the show began to notably improve in the second half of Season 1 and got a big boost from the Captain America: The Winter Soldier plot twist regarding Hydra. And so far, Season 2 has been very well received, as its introduced a very different dynamic to the series in a compelling and involving manner.
I spoke to two of the shows creators and executive producers, Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen, about SHIELD’s story so far and how the show has evolved. The husband and wife team discussed how the Hydra twist affected the series, the big changes to the team in Season 2 – which has turned SHIELD into a vigilante force, wanted by the government – the upcoming introduction of Bobbi Morse/Mockingbird (Adrianne Palicki) and more.
Spoilers follow for the first two episodes of Agents of SHIELD: Season 2.
IGN TV: Looking back at Season 1, have you thought about how different things might have been if that Captain America 2 twist wasn't happening?
Jed Whedon: We would have approached it differently. We knew from the get-go that that was in place, so it was always in the DNA of what we were trying to create.
Maurissa Tancharoen: It would have been a completely different show.
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IGN: But have you considered that "What if...?" conversation about "Where would we be right now if SHIELD hadn't blown up?"
Whedon: Truthfully, we probably would have done something along the same lines in terms of some sort of conspiracy within the agency, you know, spy versus spy.
Tancharoen: I don't think there's really any time to explore the "What if...?" of it. [Laughs] Our brains are already fully occupied by the task at hand. But I do think, yeah, within a spy organization, the theme of "trust no one" is something that interests us. I think that would have been inevitable for that to come up, regardless of the Cap 2 fallout.
IGN: I have a bit of a "chicken or the egg" question here with Ward. I'm curious, having him be one of the core team that was going to betray them, how did that come about? Did you have the character of Ward in mind and you thought, "Ooh, what if he's Hydra?" Or did you think, "We need to have somebody be Hydra," and then you came up with Ward?
Whedon: We had fleshed out the characters, but we knew at some point someone was going to have to turn and, early on, decided it was Ward. But we didn't create the character -- you know, we tried to create the team to fill in different pieces of the puzzle or the pie. I felt like we didn’t set out to have him be the baddie, but pretty early on, we knew that someone was going to turn and we figured it would be him.
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IGN: When I’ve talked to your fellow EP, Jeff Bell, he’s mentioned how it's an interesting time in TV and figuring out what is the right idea with pacing story across 22 episodes. How much did you debate the eternal question of the serialization versus the procedural aspects?
Whedon: Because of the amount of episodes, a procedural is easier. [Laughs] We always, even still, want a little bit to split the difference in that we want every story to have its own beginning, middle and end, and not be completely dependent on having to know the mythology. That being said...
Tancharoen: I think we'll always have a serialized element to every episode, even if an episode may feel a bit more standalone. It will still be part of the overall mythology, you know, laid within it.
IGN TV: With Skye, how much did you discuss how much you wanted to reveal in Season 1 -- knowing that you had a lot of plot to deal with in the second half with Hydra -- versus how much you should hold off for Season 2?
Whedon: You'll see coming up, we'll reveal more of her story. It was never really a debate in terms of how quickly we'd move with it, because we knew where we wanted it to land. But yeah, some things are slow plays, and some things are long plays, and this was a long throw, so now we're starting to get into the meat of it.
Tancharoen: I do think coming into Season 2, Skye's character is one where you notice a shift. She has the most drastic shift in her character. We also put her through a lot in Season 1. Now, coming in to Season 2, there's this mystery surrounding her that we'll fully unravel.
IGN: You guys aren't doing a meta type of show, but is it fun when you can sneak in something like imaginary Simmons' recent line about people wanting answers right away?
Tancharoen: That they have to be patient? I don't know what you're talking about, man! [Laughs]
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IGN: With many new shows, it's going to take a little time to figure out what it's going to be and what's working and what's not working. Was it especially challenging that this was a show where the attention was going to be there right from the beginning? You weren't going to be able to have a "No one's paying attention to us” scenario for a little while, because of the plusses and minuses of having a brand that people are so interested by.
Whedon: Yes, we knew there would be a lot of eyes on it, and we knew that we couldn't please everyone. We were also battling -- especially early on -- the fact that this is the first live-action television program that Marvel has made. It was marketed so aggressively to tie in with The Avengers. "After The Avengers comes the --" We knew there was going to be an expectation there that was going to be hard to live up to, so there were a lot of eyes. It was a blessing and a curse to have everybody watching the show, for sure.
Tancharoen: And I think at the end of the day we made a show that we set out to make from the beginning and wasn't adored by everyone right away -- not necessarily, but enough people tuned in every week that it got us here to Season 2. So we're just happy we're here telling the story that we've been planning to tell all along. We're excited for everyone to see where it goes.
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IGN: It somewhat had to happen because of the whole Hydra storyline, but in Season 2, you're making a big shift that shows would either never do or take a few seasons to do. Even looking at Joss's work, it was Angel: Season 5 where they did the, "Oh, let's completely change the dynamic" plotline. Is it exciting for you, a year in, to really get to take a very different look at these characters and how they're operating?
Whedon: Sure. I mean, it's very much fun. I think we want things to keep feeling new and keep feeling good for us. This was a great excuse to do that. I can't imagine this show ever falling into a pattern of episodes where you know what you're going to get each week. We're having a blast with the new paradigm.
IGN: And Coulson, he's very different right now from when we met him. Even though I don't think he's an unemotional person now, he was very "heart on his sleeve" last season, and now we're seeing him make some very different, harder-edged decisions. What can you say about where his mind is at this year?
Whedon: Yeah, it's a different role, and for someone who's always been the "never leave a man behind" kinda guy, this position won't sit too well with him.
Tancharoen: Right, I think these decisions he has to make definitely take a toll on the kind of man he is. We'll see that over the course of this season. But yes, being director, he's faced with a hell of a lot more. It's not just his ragtag team on the plane that he needs to protect. He always had the mission at hand that was there for the greater good of things, but now he truly is in charge of the greater good. So he has to weigh the options.
IGN: In the second episode, we got to see more of Hunter and Mac and how they interact with the rest of the group. Obviously Elizabeth is still on the show, but because Simmons is not on the team and Ward is not on the team, it is a different energy with these different members. Going forward, clearly there are some reasons for the ream to have some trepidation about someone like Hunter. How well are they going to work alongside each other?
Tancharoen: I think you'll have to wait and see, but as of now, it is a really nice change in the dynamic. If anything, it's really great for Fitz, who sort of has this new budding relationship with Mac, a guy who's very blunt and to the point.
Whedon: Yeah, the opposite in a way.
Tancharoen: Yeah, Mac doesn't tiptoe around like everyone else does. It'll be interesting to see how Fitz responds to that over time. Also, there's sort of a guy's guy vibe to both Mac and Hunter, which I think adds a new shade to the team. We weren't comprised of just women before, but there is a stronger male presence there now with those two guys.
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IGN: I have to ask about Mockingbird, who’s a personal favorite character of mine. She’s pretty notable, just because she's the first character you're introducing who, in the comic books, is an Avenger. There are a lot of possibilities there.
Whedon: Yeah, we're excited about the character too, for all the reasons you stated. One thing that's fun for us is we sort of get to reinvent SHIELD this season, and we're being given that license with all our characters. With her, we're allowed to explore her in our own way. So I think that you will be interested in our take on her, and we're coming at her a little bit differently.
IGN: Again, here's where I'll see how much you can say, but the description of her did say something about” Hydra security”? That was interesting I thought! [Laughs]
Whedon: It's a complicated world.
Tancharoen: [Laughs] It's a complicated world we're operating in, and it gets even more complicated when things are publicized in ways that you don't imagine. [Laughs]
IGN: The first two episodes this season very strongly established pretty big villainous presences with Reed Diamond's character and Kyle McLachlan’s character. Is one maybe going to be more notable than the other, or are we going to be seeing these two growing threats that the team is going to have to deal with simultaneously?
Tancharoen: We can say that you'll see both of them. In the evil threat department, we have our hands full.
IGN: I'm a huge Twin Peaks fan, so I was so excited when I heard that Kyle was coming on. We're used to him often playing pretty likable and even goofy guys, but he seems pretty damn intimidating in this.
Tancharoen: Good! Well, we love him on Portlandia. [Laughs] And everything else he does, but yes, he's very intimidating and scary, and there's blood on his hands. But there's a quality that Kyle just naturally brings. It makes you want to know the "why" of who he is. There's a vulnerability in his eyes that never goes away. So even in his scariest moments, you feel for him -- or at least we hope you will feel for him.
IGN: We don’t know the full story about Simmons leaving, but Skye makes it pretty clear she’s upset about it and doesn't see it as just, "Oh, I understand why she left." What could make her have such a big change from what we know?
Tancharoen: Right. Well, if anything, there are all these questions. Why does she leave? Where does she go? What do people on the team know about where she went? [Laughs] There are questions to your questions.
Whedon: But I think it's safe to say, their relationship was going to change regardless after the events of the finale.
Tancharoen: I think the change is exacerbated by the reasons as to why she left.
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IGN: Jeph Loeb mentioned how you are doing this split with Season 2, with Agent Carter airing in the middle. Are you almost conceiving it as two mini-seasons? He talked about how there will be some storylines wrapping up by the mid-season break, though not all. Are you approaching it a little differently knowing that it's going to be presented in that way?
Whedon: Yeah. Regardless, whenever we're going to be off for a little while, we always try to do something to make you want to come back. But in this case, there are two very significant chunks. There's a significant chunk of time where we won't be around, so there is a little bit more of that approach. It's still a single season, but we definitely have that big gap in the middle that we're very aware of.
IGN: With Lucy Lawless guest starring, even at the end of that episode, there were people immediately saying, "Oh, we'll find out in the next episode she's not really dead." Well, in the next episode, she's buried. But, hey, the last thing that happened to her was she was holding a weird object that was changing her body. You know, it's the Marvel Universe. Anything you can say about poor Izzy?
Tancharoen: It's the Marvel Universe. Is anybody ever really dead? I mean, at the center of our show is a dead guy. [Laughs]
Whedon: In our minds, she is six feet underground, but as far as the idea behind the creation of that character, you never know.
IGN: Lastly, going back to the changes this season, in the second episode, Talbot directly calls them vigilantes. Is it fun for you to really change what they're doing and the fact that last season they were part of this big machine? Now they're trying to help people, while at the same time they're potentially being hunted down by their government. Does that just make a very exciting, different dynamic for you guys writing them?
Whedon: For sure. There's nothing better than an underdog. Last year, we were anything but. So it adds to the pressure that we're under, because everything is twice as hard to pull off for the team. But it also adds to the cool. You're not really rooting for a guy who has everything at his fingertips. Now, Coulson's really stringing things together.
Tancharoen: Yeah, the fact that Coulson and the team -- they have to cobble things together now in order to get things done. It's more fun. It's more stressful for them, and it takes more of a toll on them, but I don't know. It's a more interesting journey to follow.
IGN: The more stress your characters are having, the more fun it is for the writers?
Tancharoen: Yep! Exactly. We like putting them in pain. [Laughs]
IGN: That is the Whedon-related mantra, isn't it?
Tancharoen: Yes. [Laughs] "Pain is good."