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Damn, Jerry Jones is a marketing genius
No he's not; there's 30mill people living in the state of Texas...that's the main reason why it's worth so much.....
And a large fanbase without standards who support a shit product regardless if its competitive or not.
Beal absolutely is borderline.. Hes made two all star appearances in 7 years.. One season as alternate when Kyrie was out and the following season when Oladipo and Wall were out for the season. And again, money today>>>> potential money tomorrow. Advising someone to forego $111 in pocket today for a possible $115 or so two years down the line is fucking stupid.
Funny how you guys keep mentioning Wall while missing the blatant lesson his situation tells you.. If you aint a tier one superstar player, get all the money you can while you can.
As I mentioned in my previous post, with the cap being raised the money will be the same but go head and stand on that hill.
Beal averaged 26 and 5 last year but he's borderline.. Beal a top three Shooting Guard in the league. He'll get the max from the majority of the league
This dude act like players don't take less to try and win, or be happy. You just want him there cause nobody else wants to play there.
Put down the candy and let the little boy go mayne. Owner driving a pedo van with a sack of cash and Wall's torn ligaments in the back. No thanks cuzz.
Put down the candy and let the little boy go mayne. Owner driving a pedo van with a sack of cash and Wall's torn ligaments in the back. No thanks cuzz.
Unlike the NFL, NBA salary is guaranteed correct? Reasoning I'm asking is I heard that the contrary. School me
CaC KKKerr showing his true colors...”How dare these nigras play for anything outside of career ending injuries and massa’s prosperity”.
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They can trade a player and he will hear about it in the news. Anybody remember Derrick Rose getting treated video?
While it's good to support these mostly young and black NBA players being able to do what they want to do, is it exactly good for the product?
I suspect that a lot of people deep down suspect that it's not, especially when you break down this highly entertaining NBA off season and come to the realization that only a few teams really got in on the action.
I suspect that a lot of people deep down suspect that it's not, especially when you break down this highly entertaining NBA off season and come to the realization that only a few teams really got in on the action.
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Lessons learned from Wall and Cousins situtation.
However, Beal doesn’t owe that organization anymore of his time. What they are offering him, he will certainly get elsewhere. Plenty of teams will be willing to pay for him.
Yep but you can say that a lot of big markets i.e. NY...
Beal is a top 10 SG and trending toward top 5... he isnt nor will he ever be top 3.. And im a Beal fan who has seen him play more than most. And yea, he will get the max pretty much anywhere.. Im just saying he'd be a fool to turn it down now and wait two more years for it. Just doesnt make sense my man.
Who you got in your top 5 of shooting guards? And if he could get a max anywhere, why shouldn't he choose his destination?
Mama Call him Klay, McCullom, Harden, Olidipo, Spida Mitchell, Butler, Demarr, Booker are all better today. And again, for the 13th time, $111million today>>>>>> ......
Thanks bruh! She fine as hell to me. I never seen her before until the other day.
“...around the same age as me” he went on to say immediately after...and parker and ginobli were not elite despite their personal accolades
LOL @ Paul George pretending to have grown up a Clippers fan.
But Parker and Ginobli are no PG next to him and shouldn't even be mentioned when we're talking elites.
As for Duncan, Kawhi probably saw my NBA Mt. Rushmore threads and realizes how overrated that "best power forward" misnomer is.
Add to that the way Duncan skated off of reputation in his final years and I see why Kawhi would say that.
Led team to finals in year 15. Best player on title team in year 16. Robbed of Defensive player of year in year 17. All Star in year 18.. = "skated on reputation".As for Duncan, Kawhi probably saw my NBA Mt. Rushmore threads and realizes how overrated that "best power forward" misnomer is.
Olidipo isnt better than Beal, neither is Demarr or Booker; and you name Donovan Mitchell, who shot 32% in playoffs, 25% from 3, is laughable...
Mitchell, Demar and Olidipo have all led teams to postseason play as best player on team and won series. Vic and DeMarr, did it in the same conference Beal resides in.. In 7 seasons Beal has one postseason appearance where it can even be argued he was his teams best player. Without Wall the Zards went from a mediocre playoff team to barely winning 30 games while featuring Beal as lead guard.
Devin Booker is a better scorer, shooter, passer, and ball handler than Beal and he is 3 years younger. Hes also taller and quicker. Beal is a better defender but thats about it.
Beal is not a better player than ANY of the guys i listed.
Stop arguing stupid shit.
shes ok but that make up sure helps
because he takes horrible shots and makes them dude is iso king....I hate watching him I live in the h and trust me i root for the other team. stepback 3 after dribbling for 19 seconds. no pass made, or drive to the basketball and shove the defender who your most of the time hes bigger than and lock your arms and get the whistle....dude is efficient as fuck i just don't like his game.
None of them "led" their teams to anything. Side note, that whole
None of them "led" their teams to anything. Side note, that whole "led" shit is stupid fans shit; its a team sport. Pacers made the playoffs and finished with the same record as the year before and Victor didnt even play the last 4 months of the season. All them that you claim, led their teams, all play on better teams than Beal and its not close. They teams are better managed, their organizations are light years ahead of the idiots that work for the Wizards; so the whole making the playoffs thing is stupid and not even a true source of comparing players. In 7 season A Davis has 2 playoff appearances; there are countless of good players, on variety of teams, that have had more in 7 seasons; does that make them better than AD
; put Beal on better teams with better management and see how he does then; Booker isnt a better passer or ball handler; dude rarely passes
; Beal is better shooter than all of them, except Booker; hes better in every other area than one dimensional Booker and its not close; Hes a better defender than Mitchel and Olidipo; Last Year, His advance stats, per, advance metrics were all higher then every player you named. Im taking Beal over all of except Klay and Butler....
I just read something that struck me as the exact opposite of this.
Everybody knows Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers but this is quite a tidbit regarding the 20 year LA legend who always said he grew up a Lakers fan. I was tempted to dismiss that as myth-making at first but I didn't remember Kobe acknowledging this as a possibility at the time (or even him re-signing the day after the Shaq trade).
Oh what might have been 15 years ago, had Kobe Bryant joined the Clippers
By ANDREW GREIF
LA TIMES
JULY 23, 2019
When Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are introduced Wednesday as Clippers, it promises to be a spectacle unlike any other for a franchise that had struggled since its arrival in Los Angeles 35 years ago to become an attractive destination for top players.
That all changed earlier this month in one league-shaking night.
On July 5, the Clippers secured a commitment from Leonard, the league’s most sought-after free agent after leading Toronto to its first NBA championship, and traded for George, who asked out of Oklahoma City after an MVP-caliber season in order to play alongside Leonard.
That two of the league’s biggest stars — both Southern California natives — gave the Clippers their stamp of approval led to recollections of what might have been 15 years earlier, when another top free agent came close to signing on.
“The deal was basically done,” said Ralph Lawler, the soon-to-be Hall of Fame broadcaster who retired in April after 40 seasons with the Clippers, recalling the summer of 2004. “Within the organization it was everywhere:
“Oh my god, we got Kobe Bryant.”
Though tempted by the Clippers’ pitch, Bryant ultimately re-signed with the Lakers and won two more NBA championships before retiring in 2016 after one of the most recognizable careers in league history.
For those who remember his free agency decision in 2004, Bryant’s near-union with the Clippers remains a fascinating, and agonizing, what-if moment in the history of the team and around the league.
It marked the second time the Clippers fumbled a chance to get Bryant.
Before the 1996 NBA draft, some people within the organization lobbied the team’s decision makers to use the seventh overall pick on the high school All-America from Pennsylvania, the son of former Clipper Joe “Jellybean” Bryant. The Clippers instead drafted Lorenzen Wright six picks before Charlotte took Bryant and quickly traded him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.
Bryant became a six-time All-Star and three-time league champion in his first eight seasons. In the same span, the Clippers produced one All-Star (not Wright) and zero winning seasons. Premium seats at Lakers home games were a status symbol. The Clippers, meanwhile, were a “tough draw,” said Lee Zeidman, the president of Staples Center, Microsoft Theater and L.A. Live.
But the stark differences between Staples Center tenants seemed to hardly matter as Bryant entered free agency in 2004. The Lakers were only a few weeks removed from a dispiriting loss in the NBA Finals that came amid public discord between Bryant, star center Shaquille O’Neal and coach Phil Jackson.
Jackson and the Lakers had already agreed to part ways by the time free agency opened, and O’Neal had requested a trade. Bryant was less than two months from the scheduled start of a trial in Colorado on allegations of felony sexual assault.
Determined not to spoil a second chance at Bryant, the Clippers hoped to take advantage of the Lakers’ turmoil.
As free agency opened, then-general manager Elgin Baylor told reporters he was “prepared to do whatever is necessary to make this as easy a decision as possible for him. ... We think that we represent the perfect option for him.”
Soon Baylor, coach Mike Dunleavy, owner Donald Sterling and team president Andy Roeser met with Bryant at a luxury hotel in Newport Beach near Bryant’s home, Lawler said. The broadcaster, who after four decades with the Clippers considers himself something of an unofficial team historian, did not attend but said he learned details of what transpired through conversations with each of the Clippers officials who were present.
“They made their pitch to Kobe and it was a very strong one because it seemed apparent to everyone at that point that Kobe and Shaq just could no longer co-exist,” Lawler said. “Then it’s time for Kobe to excuse himself and go and Donald Sterling walks him to the door expressing concern. ‘Is this really going to happen?’
“Kobe turned to him and — this is an exact quote that I’ve had repeated to me by multiple people — he said, ‘Don’t worry, I’m a Clipper.’ So he walked out the door and [the Clippers] are all high-fiving each other thinking, ‘By God, we’ve done it.’
“If anybody denies any of that,” Lawler added, “ they are of faulty memory or they just don’t want to acknowledge it because that is what happened in that meeting in that hotel room.”
A second Clippers employee also told The Times that Baylor directly told him Bryant had verbally committed. (That employee has since left the team and agreed to speak only under the condition of anonymity.) There was enough confidence within the team that preliminary discussions began about how to best welcome Bryant at a ceremony in Staples Center.
A representative from Bryant’s company did not respond to an email requesting an interview with Bryant, but the 20-year Laker has acknowledged being open to the Clippers’ pitch.
“I felt comfortable over there,” Bryant said during a 2004 news conference to announce his return to the Lakers. “I could see myself playing for the Clippers.”
In 2016, Bryant said the combination of the team’s young players, a high pick in a draft stocked with prospects he liked, and the desire of Clippers executives to turn around the fortunes of a perennial loser appealed to him.
“At no point in time did I get a real clear feel for what direction this was heading,” then-Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said in 2004. Bryant paused before putting pen to paper on a deal with the Clippers worth more than $100 million over six years. He spoke with Jerry West, the former Lakers executive — and current Clippers consultant — who’d traded for Bryant in 1996. And, lastly, he called Lakers owner Jerry Buss.
Bryant initially couldn’t reach Buss by phone amid the owner’s European vacation, but when they ultimately connected the conversation resonated.
“At the end of the day,” Bryant said in 2016, “Jerry Buss trumped it all.”
The Lakers traded O’Neal to Miami on July 15. The following day, Bryant announced a seven-year, $136-million deal to return to the Lakers.
Said the former Clippers employee: “It was like, ‘Wow, this is really happening.’ And then the carpet just being pulled out from under you when it didn’t.”
Rob Pelinka, Bryant’s former agent who is now the Lakers’ general manager, declined to comment through a spokesperson. Kupchak, now Charlotte’s general manager and president of basketball operations, declined to comment through a Hornets spokesman. Dunleavy and Baylor did not respond to messages.
Zeidman doubted that Bryant signing with the Clippers would have shifted “the dynamics of those 16 [Lakers] banners that are hanging in Staples Center.” However, he added, “It clearly would have shifted, I believe, what would have transpired in Staples Center as it relates to who could have potentially been the dominant team back then if Kobe would have left.”
The Clippers eventually added stars through other means. They drafted future all-NBA players Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan and traded for Chris Paul, who re-signed with the team as a free agent in 2013. Yet the team never succeeded in attracting the game’s biggest free agents away from other teams. LeBron James met with the Clippers in 2010 but never seriously entertained the thought of joining.
All the while, Bryant remained the big one that got away.
It took 15 more years for the Clippers to sign Leonard, the biggest prize in free agency, and add George, another of the league’s best all-around players.
The Clippers can breathe easy this time. The ink is dry on both contracts.
He is efficient?
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