Offshore Trusts, Accounts & Tax Arrangements: Best solution for Black entrepreneurs/businesses

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
see what I mean?:giggle:
you watched the vid and still don't comprehend the power of trusts

wills and trust funds are what most avg people in general have been using for years
those are the weakest forms of a trust

a good number less people use living trusts to pass on assets without estate taxes, or establish care instruction in case of mental incapacity etc...

VERY few people including professionals understand that when properly constructed and executed a trust can be sovereign and immortal.
With many tools provided in the local laws of multiple nations (central banks made sure of this)

I have no problem admitting that I didn't understand it on the international level. But your statement of waaaaay more people being aware of cryptos isn't true. Most people aren't, and those who are have less understanding of the game than I do of how to use trusts on an international level.

Just saying that a person with deep knowledge of both at this point of time. Well, you get the picture.
 

ViCiouS

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I have no problem admitting that I didn't understand it on the international level. But your statement of waaaaay more people being aware of cryptos isn't true. Most people aren't, and those who are have less understanding of the game than I do of how to use trusts on an international level.

Just saying that a person with deep knowledge of both at this point of time. Well, you get the picture.
there is no international... o_O

for the guys playing at that level off shore, crypto is nothing special or new... I already gave a warning in the Bitcoin thread a few days ago.

look there are much more people on this board aware of crypto than the use of trusts...
Its the same in the real world for one very effective reason

In general people that understand trusts don't advertise whats existing or possible and they do not share the information for free.
no message boards, no youtube videos, no mining communities, no public exchanges, no startups, no minergate.com sites and apps :cool:
 

gene cisco

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BGOL Investor
there is no international... o_O

for the guys playing at that level off shore, crypto is nothing special or new... I already gave a warning in the Bitcoin thread a few days ago.

look there are much more people on this board aware of crypto than the use of trusts...
Its the same in the real world for one very effective reason

In general people that understand trusts don't advertise whats existing or possible and they do not share the information for free.
no message boards, no youtube videos, no mining communities, no public exchanges, no startups, no minergate.com sites and apps :cool:

You're missing the point. Crypto has made people a lot of money who might not know about trusts.

I believe I mentioned trusts in my 'divorce horror stories' thread years ago. I was in crypto when most people on this board knew more about trusts that crypto and that was just 4 years ago. LMAO It was @Spectrum and a few others in the crypto threads back then. Meanwhile, how many folks knew about trusts?

Trusts been a tool for people. And you say o_O to international, but folks who have them don't always think that way just like crypto folks don't.
 

ViCiouS

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You're missing the point. Crypto has made people a lot of money who might not know about trusts.

I believe I mentioned trusts in my 'divorce horror stories' thread years ago. I was in crypto when most people on this board knew more about trusts that crypto and that was just 4 years ago. LMAO It was @Spectrum and a few others in the crypto threads back then. Meanwhile, how many folks knew about trusts?

Trusts been a tool for people. And you say o_O to international, but folks who have them don't always think that way just like crypto folks don't.
nah -I got you -
everything I typed went over your head- if they don't think that way - its because they lack comprehension
so, ok...
 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
nah -I got you -
everything I typed went over your head- if they don't think that way - its because they lack comprehension
so, ok...
The same can be said about you. Don't get how this is a discussion. Folks in crypto will be trying to move gains like the vid I quoted. Folks who knew the trust game been doing it for their kids, significant others, international level, or other cases.

You were just in the crypto thread the other day and had no idea what you were talking about and you're an intelligent poster. Shit happens.
 

ViCiouS

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BGOL Patreon Investor
The same can be said about you. Don't get how this is a discussion. Folks in crypto will be trying to move gains like the vid I quoted. Folks who knew the trust game been doing it for their kids, significant others, international level, or other cases.

You were just in the crypto thread the other day and had no idea what you were talking about and you're an intelligent poster. Shit happens.
my perspective and extent of knowledge is exactly the same in both of these subjects /threads...
leave it or take it as you please.
 

Moving Target

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BGOL Investor
gene and vicious..thank you both for widening my understanding of international trusts. my dads former boss is jewish with a 3 companies and did really well during his time. he older now with cancer but has round the clock nurses and grat healthcare but is pitfully broke on paper. i overheard him say that he is living out of his business or trust as it were. i told my dad to ask him about that. maybe he could help him build up his business. my dad asked him about it and the old dude (keep in mind him and my dad knew each other for over 20 years) old dude said he would not discuss his business with my dad. i told my dad we should get the eff on and not come back to visit his invalid ass. but yeah mayne, when it comes to sharing info , these people are to tight with it. i am trying to set up something like that bc i have been to the caymen islands, curacao, and panama...so it wouldnt look funny for me to go back there for a few more trips. i dont mind paying fair taxes but these mofos like the current administration straight robbing and stealing in your face and these mofos are thanking them for it. well see when the ACA is gone, taxes are higher, and no healthcare/social security for the elderly...then we will see all those trump supporters crying or dying or both.

anyway ...keep posting this stuff man. we out here listening.
 

ViCiouS

Rising Star
BGOL Patreon Investor
gene and vicious..thank you both for widening my understanding of international trusts. my dads former boss is jewish with a 3 companies and did really well during his time. he older now with cancer but has round the clock nurses and grat healthcare but is pitfully broke on paper. i overheard him say that he is living out of his business or trust as it were. i told my dad to ask him about that. maybe he could help him build up his business. my dad asked him about it and the old dude (keep in mind him and my dad knew each other for over 20 years) old dude said he would not discuss his business with my dad. i told my dad we should get the eff on and not come back to visit his invalid ass. but yeah mayne, when it comes to sharing info , these people are to tight with it. i am trying to set up something like that bc i have been to the caymen islands, curacao, and panama...so it wouldnt look funny for me to go back there for a few more trips. i dont mind paying fair taxes but these mofos like the current administration straight robbing and stealing in your face and these mofos are thanking them for it. well see when the ACA is gone, taxes are higher, and no healthcare/social security for the elderly...then we will see all those trump supporters crying or dying or both.

anyway ...keep posting this stuff man. we out here listening.
I never understood why jews hate sharing knowledge... I've gotten gems from Mexicans to Scots but never from a jew

This is what the old man might have been doing -

Charitable Remainder Unitrust
https://www.estateplanning.com/Understanding-Charitable-Remainder-Trusts/

this works for any appreciating asset...
its IRS and judgment proof and if needed to hide the income he might be using an LLC from New Mexico (legally able to register without ever listing an owner)

@Mask - this isn't as "hidden"as off shore but its good
 

A to Dah K

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BGOL Investor
gene and vicious..thank you both for widening my understanding of international trusts. my dads former boss is jewish with a 3 companies and did really well during his time. he older now with cancer but has round the clock nurses and grat healthcare but is pitfully broke on paper. i overheard him say that he is living out of his business or trust as it were. i told my dad to ask him about that. maybe he could help him build up his business. my dad asked him about it and the old dude (keep in mind him and my dad knew each other for over 20 years) old dude said he would not discuss his business with my dad. i told my dad we should get the eff on and not come back to visit his invalid ass. but yeah mayne, when it comes to sharing info , these people are to tight with it. i am trying to set up something like that bc i have been to the caymen islands, curacao, and panama...so it wouldnt look funny for me to go back there for a few more trips. i dont mind paying fair taxes but these mofos like the current administration straight robbing and stealing in your face and these mofos are thanking them for it. well see when the ACA is gone, taxes are higher, and no healthcare/social security for the elderly...then we will see all those trump supporters crying or dying or both.

anyway ...keep posting this stuff man. we out here listening.
ThAts his right now to want to discuss his personal business.
 

Moving Target

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BGOL Investor
ThAts his right now to want to discuss his personal business.
yeah maybe so...but its our right to walk the fuck away...after all the shit my father has done for this man. i mean had access to his house to help his useless son get stuff done, helped him with setting up his business contacts, and providing him with connects in the city. he wouldnt be as successful as he is without my dads contribution. at after all these years he calls my dad his friend and confidant. i told my dad... this whole time, dude has been living his life looking at us as the help....thats why i told my dad to drop his as a customer and as a friend. im sorry but i cant call anybody my friend or confidant who aint into helping build my business too. the relationship has to be mutually beneficial.
my dad is one of the best most loyal people i know to his friends almost to a fault. i refuse to let him get used by this guy who is another undercover incidental racist. man you just got to know all the stuff my dad has come through and done for this cat. now he sitting in his beautiful home with round the clock cancer care. cant leave and calling my dad to come visit him. all the big shots he used to run with have dropped him since he got sick, now he wants to talk.
i told my father, he should go up there one day to visit his ass, then ask him for some gas money...LOL. just to see what he say.
 

Mask

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Platinum Member
I never understood why jews hate sharing knowledge... I've gotten gems from Mexicans to Scots but never from a jew

This is what the old man might have been doing -

Charitable Remainder Unitrust
https://www.estateplanning.com/Understanding-Charitable-Remainder-Trusts/

this works for any appreciating asset...
its IRS and judgment proof and if needed to hide the income he might be using an LLC from New Mexico (legally able to register without ever listing an owner)

@Mask - this isn't as "hidden"as off shore but its good


Ok, will read to gain knowledge
 

Osca Lee

REALNA'MUTHAFUCKA
Registered
there is no international... o_O

for the guys playing at that level off shore, crypto is nothing special or new... I already gave a warning in the Bitcoin thread a few days ago.

look there are much more people on this board aware of crypto than the use of trusts...
Its the same in the real world for one very effective reason

In general people that understand trusts don't advertise whats existing or possible and they do not share the information for free.
no message boards, no youtube videos, no mining communities, no public exchanges, no startups, no minergate.com sites and apps :cool:

Truth...many have no idea about trusts and how they actually work.

The crypto thread is a great example because so many in there think they know everything since they are into crypto.
 

Osca Lee

REALNA'MUTHAFUCKA
Registered
I never understood why jews hate sharing knowledge... I've gotten gems from Mexicans to Scots but never from a jew

This is what the old man might have been doing -

Charitable Remainder Unitrust
https://www.estateplanning.com/Understanding-Charitable-Remainder-Trusts/

this works for any appreciating asset...
its IRS and judgment proof and if needed to hide the income he might be using an LLC from New Mexico (legally able to register without ever listing an owner)

@Mask - this isn't as "hidden"as off shore but its good

The mothership trust must be created first so it can protect all other trusts that are under it.

No need to hide anything at this point because your in private mode de jure instead of de facto.

But those who wont take time to read and research willl never understand how it truly works.
 

Osca Lee

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The same can be said about you. Don't get how this is a discussion. Folks in crypto will be trying to move gains like the vid I quoted. Folks who knew the trust game been doing it for their kids, significant others, international level, or other cases.

You were just in the crypto thread the other day and had no idea what you were talking about and you're an intelligent poster. Shit happens.

Gene stop it..

I told you straight up I didnt pay taxes on none of the crypto i cashed out on and you told me i was telling lies and i had to pay taxes and all the other bullshit along with them other bitch ass niggas in there thinking yall know every fucking thing.

Another poster came in and validated everything I had said to all you mfs about not having to pay taxes period.

I told you to read the IRS laws and rules but you didnt.

Seeing this thread and your replies to vicious is sad because trust me you have no idea about trusts. So please take time this time to listen to what some of us are saying instead of telling us we dont know what we are talking about
 

mailboxpimp

Rising Star
BGOL Patreon Investor
Gene stop it..

I told you straight up I didnt pay taxes on none of the crypto i cashed out on and you told me i was telling lies and i had to pay taxes and all the other bullshit along with them other bitch ass niggas in there thinking yall know every fucking thing.

Another poster came in and validated everything I had said to all you mfs about not having to pay taxes period.

I told you to read the IRS laws and rules but you didnt.

Seeing this thread and your replies to vicious is sad because trust me you have no idea about trusts. So please take time this time to listen to what some of us are saying instead of telling us we dont know what we are talking about
Dumb ass niggaahz too lazy too read & too drunk off the public school education & group thought / group action indoctrination to believe there is a way for you to not pay taxes. They gone off the shit white people want them to believe. The matrix is real.

How can you tell someone they telling lies when you dnt know the truth?
 

mailboxpimp

Rising Star
BGOL Patreon Investor
I meant to say Black owned businesses.

Its a little known secret of how whites are getting wealthier by the day.

when I say “offshore,” I obviously am not referring to offshore oil drilling. I am also not talking about “offshoring,” which is what happens when a company moves a manufacturing plant or, say, a call center from the United States to India or China, perhaps to save on labor costs.

When I say “offshore,” I am talking about the artificial movement or use of moneyacross borders, and about the jurisdictions, commonly known as tax havens, that host and facilitate this activity. Once the money has escaped offshore, it is reclassified in an accountant’s ledger and it assumes a different identity—and that means, very often, that the forces of law and order will never find it.

One of the first things to understand about offshore business is that it is, at heart, about artificially manipulating paper trails of money across borders. To get an idea of how artificial it can be, consider the banana.


A bunch of bananas typically takes two routes into your home: a real route and an artificial offshore paper trail.







On the first route a Honduran worker, say, is employed by Big Banana, a U.S. multinational I’ve just invented, to pick the bananas, which are then packaged and shipped to Britain, sold to a supermarket, and sold on to a customer.


The second route—the accountants’ paper trail—is different. When a banana is picked in Honduras and shipped to Britain and sold, where are the final profits generated? In Honduras? In the British supermarket? In the multinational’s U.S. head office? And how do you work this out? How much do the corporation’s management expertise, or the brand name, or the insurance, or the accounting business, contribute to profits and costs? Which country ought to tax each component of the final profit? Nobody can say for sure, so the accountants can, up to a point, decide for themselves.


Here, in simple form, is what they might do. They advise Big Banana to run its purchasing network from, say, the Cayman Islands, and put a financial services subsidiary in Luxembourg.


The Big Banana brand might be parked in Ireland; its shipping subsidiary in the Isle of Man; it might locate certain parts of its “management expertise” in Jersey, and its insurance arm in Bermuda. All are tax havens.


Next, each part of this multinational charges the other parts for the services they provide.


So Big Banana’s Luxembourg finance subsidiary might lend money to Big Banana Honduras, then charge that Latin American subsidiary $10 million per year in interest payments for that loan.

The Honduran subsidiary will deduct this $10 million from its local profits, cutting or wiping out its local profits (and consequently its tax bill) there. The Luxembourg finance subsidiary, however, will record this $10 million as income—but because Luxembourg is a tax haven, it pays no taxes on this.


With a wave of an accountant’s wand, a hefty tax bill has disappeared. Who is to say that the $10 million charged by Big Banana Luxembourg is the real going rate—or just an accountant’s invention? Quite often it is hard to tell, although sometimes these prices are adjusted so aggressively that they lose all sense of reality:

A kilo of toilet paper from China has been sold for $4,000, a liter of apple juice has been sold out of Israel at $2,00, and a ballpoint pen has been recorded leaving Trinidad valued at $8,000.


Though most examples are far less blatant than this, the cumulative total of these shenanigans is vast. About two-thirds of global cross-border world trade happens inside multinational corporations. And it is poor countries in particular, with their underpaid tax officials, that always lose out to multinationals’ aggressive, highly paid accountants.

What Big Banana has done here is transfer pricing (or mispricing), a common offshore trick...or one can call it the corporate equivalent of the secret offshore accounts of individual tax dodgers.

The general idea is that by adjusting its internal prices a multinational can shift profits offshore, where they pay little or no tax, and shift the costs onshore, where they are deducted against tax. In the banana example, tax revenue has been drained out of a poor country and into a tax haven and funneled through to the wealthy owners of a multinational corporation.

So why should black owned businesses play by the rules while the entire game has been rigged?

Can you present / post a step by step guide for this interested in setting something like this up? If you have the info readily avsilable but dnt have the time, you can send it to me & ill make the thread. I REALLY want to do this!!!
 
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Osca Lee

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Dumb ass niggaahz too lazy too read & too drunk off the public school education & group thought / group action indoctrination to believe there is a way for you to not pay taxes. They gone off the shit white people want them to believe. The matrix is real.

How can you tell someone they telling lies when you dnt know the truth?

Its sad our people are lost...

Bgol put me up on game but now i realize much of that was to keep me on a dead level.

Damn oath takers...they sold us out
 
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