Powerful conditioning
Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses & Nation Of Islam
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They used to have some fine goddamn sistas knocking on doors I know that. Looking sexy without even trying like damn!
Me and my fam used to ignore the knock until I started getting bold and questioning them. They would answer a few questions but they really don't like to be challenged.
Shit.. I had access to a new thing called the internet and I was a young teen and ready to argue.
Me and my fam used to ignore the knock until I started getting bold and questioning them. They would answer a few questions but they really don't like to be challenged.
Shit.. I had access to a new thing called the internet and I was a young teen and ready to argue.
Indoctrination... We were just following our parents. By the time you're old enough to think for yourself, you've been programmed not to question anything. I've been out for over 10 years but mentally gave it up after doing my own research.Powerful conditioning
Check out The John Cedars and Ex JW Critical thinker channels on YouTube. Very informative.
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I think the craziest thing about the indoctrination is that they been so much time isolating you from the entire world. They tell you that so-called worldly people are all involved in lying, cheating, stealing, fornication, adultery, murder, satanism, heavy drug use, and every other evil known to man.
I think that when a lot of people leave the JW's on at least some level they believe that this is how the world really is now they have to behave fit into it. As a result they end up fucking up their lives, come crawling back, and blame the bad experiences on "turning their back on Jehovah."
It makes me angry, but on the other hand it's also taught me to accept that there are a lot of good people out there regardless of their religion or lack thereof. I have also accepted that despite the terrible challenges facing out world, we as a human race have survived much worse. We are living longer healthier lives than ever before. There's less war and conflict around the world than ever before. If Jehovah wants to bring on the time of the end he's going to have to try a hell of a lot harder than this!
things may be fucked, but you can never lose hope because that's how you end up in a group like the JW's in the first place.
Similar experience
They used to knock on our door all the time mess up my cereal saturday cartoon time.
I started answering the door for this one older white lady and i was very young and into the church heavy and in catholic school so i would debate her. To the point they were bringing back up every week. Im talking like 3 or 4. My mom buying the books occassionly and laughing how i would debate them and have grown folks shook.
Finally my dad shut that sh&t down. He paying for catholic school and these folks trying to brainwash his kid.
Then YEARS later i found out she left her husband and the JWs before she died.
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In theory, what you're saying makes sense, but, I've come to believe that religion is just a mechanism to control the minds of people to do the bidding of the men who are in control. Period. Whether it's for money, knocking on doors, sex, etc.Like all tools used properly, religion isn't the problem and can be used to build or strengthen people's lives, minds and spirits.
Sadly though, when it's in the hands and mouths of the wrong people, it's used to harm, abuse and diminish others...
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. An imperfect man/woman in control over tens/hundreds/thousands of people in the name of religion immediately turns me off. Most people have it backwards. They are religious and not spiritual. Spirituality is the key. That's your relationship with whomever guides your moral and spiritual compass.
Long story short, any and all organized religion is a sham to me.
Cool.
If that's your truth.
Please, continue to run with it.
It doesn't work for me, but then again, it doesn't have to.
Peace.
I was there like 98 to 2000
I totally forgot about this brochure. I had to give it to the teachers as well. Well I mean I was supposed too. Never did..LOL..Then my mom found out and brought it to all my teachersReminds me I had to give this damn brochure to all my teachers at school
The books I hated the most where the Revelation Book, Live Forever Book, and My Book of Bible Stories. I tell everybody the first 30 years of my life where the worst.
This guy has some good stuff on his youtube channel about leaving JW. I find it helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKL75mqydHevP6iYxXtR5Vg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKL75mqydHevP6iYxXtR5Vg
Will check him out
Have you seen JT and Lady C Channel
ExJW Critical Thinker
We are former Jehovah's Witnesses helping others to use critical thinking when examining the teachings of the #Jehovah's Witnesses. This channel helps indivi...
I will check them out. ThanksWill check him out
Have you seen JT and Lady C Channel
ExJW Critical Thinker
We are former Jehovah's Witnesses helping others to use critical thinking when examining the teachings of the #Jehovah's Witnesses. This channel helps indivi...www.youtube.com
Mine was the young people ask book. It seemed like this book, the youth book and the school brochure was a license for every single adult in the congregation to pry into every aspect of your life.
I stayed in until about age 15 or 16. Those years and my experience leaving had a profound influence on the way I live today.
Most people who didn't grow up in the so-called "truth" have no idea what it's like to have everything you ever believed in and sacrificed for turn out to be a lie. To have every single adult, authority figure, and mentor turn out to be a fool. To have friends and family members suddenly become dead to you because they fucked around or smoked a cigarette.
PREACH!!!!!!
I didn't hate any of the books. I was indoctrinated but never allowed them to completely control me as a young man. I was rebellious but still believed. I got a lot of witness pussy while in. When I got reinstated the second time, I gave up control and allowed them to force me to comment at every meeting. When I didn't, they would make a b-line to chastise me for not doing so. This ended up causing me to develop performance anxiety, which I suffer with to this day. I am forced to push through the discomfort for the sake of my livelihood, but I blame giving up my control to the elders for dealing with that shit. When I got divorced and subsequently disfellowshipped, it still took several years for me to wake up and find that the religion was a crock of shit. I would say within the past 2.5 years is when I actually started doing research. All of the YouTubers mentioned in this thread were extremely helpful. If you have not already, please read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz.
Yeah my best friend got disfellowshipped and it was crazy how his family treated him. This was the real breaking point for me. I was like we been friends for 10 plus years and now he is supposed to be dead to me??? He didn’t kill nobody or do anything so wrong according to the world’s definition. But to the JW’s definition he is dead to them. I couldn’t grasp it and it made no sense to me. But we still hung out. Played ball together and everything. He is still disfellowshipped to this day, and we are still best friends. We hang out all the time and sometimes talk about how our lives wasted away.
for those of you who left, how do you deal with your family? I’m not disfellowshipped, but haven’t gone to a meeting in about 7 years. My mom still be on me when I go see her to come back. I just can’t and I think she knows it deep down. I miss my parents bad, but unless it’s important it’s like they don’t want me around. I think that is the worst and cruelest part of JW. If you ain’t one then they don’t want you around even if they are your family.
I left while the ministerial servant and I were studying for baptism. Because of that they couldn't disfellowshipp me and there was no real reason for anyone to shun.
My mom was devastated and told my father about it. He pulled me aside very privately and said "good for you son, I'm getting out too".
Since then my mom also left. The only JW's left of my family are my oldest sister and a handful of cousins. We talk now and then, but live very separate lives.
I was extremely lucky to be able to leave the way that I did. Can't even imagine how devastating it would be to go through it the way you and or your best friend did.
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You ben warned
There are other belief systems that are out there that are spreading like wildfire besides these religions.
Unfortunately, these religious groups are organizing and using their political power to persecute other beliefs. Jews, Muslims, Catholics, and Christians should uphold the Constitution and not use the political power to persecute other people like me.
I get death threats from mild mannered preachers down south to Catholics it's getting out of hand.
Unfortunately, these religious groups are organizing and using their political power to persecute other beliefs. Jews, Muslims, Catholics, and Christians should uphold the Constitution and not use the political power to persecute other people like me.
I get death threats from mild mannered preachers down south to Catholics it's getting out of hand.
My Mom and sisters don't speak much at all. I don't give it much thought anymore. It bothers me, but at this point I feel bad for them. It has been frustrating when trying to communicate with my Mom but they are so indoctrinated that I'm better off banging my head against a wall. My son's mom is a witness so I'm fighting off the brainwashing by showing them the other side of the coin. Boxing.. gun range.. movies.. etc. They will make their choice. Nothing about life is easy coming out that shit. I push forward and live my life and try to make the best of my time on this Earth.
damn feel sorry for y'all that grew up in those cults
There's so much wrong with this cult, I believe their presence and the damage they do to families is equal to any of the murdering slime out on the streets I too was victimized. They caused breakups within two branches of my family, one mine. Caused my ex and I to part ways.
For the life of me I can't see what supposedly normal people see in them. Leaders in divorce, broken homes, children leaving home too soon, runaways, incest, childhood pregnancies. I'm sure there's more. I've known many but can't ever say any of them were happy.
Much like the Mormons most new recruits are born in. The rest come from 3rd world countries where people haven't caught on to the hustle yet. Somehow they have developed the reputation of being a very "American" religion which play as well to a lot of people outside the country.
Quiet as kept... Suicide
Good friend of mine took a leap from his 20th floor balcony due to the fact certain elders were riding him over dumb bullshit like doing more 'more for jehovah'.
Hell in the last year I've heard of another 2.
I know two women who committed suicide. One of their daughters just did the same about 3 months ago.Quiet as kept... Suicide
Good friend of mine took a leap from his 20th floor balcony due to the fact certain elders were riding him over dumb bullshit like doing more 'more for jehovah'.
Hell in the last year I've heard of another 2.
Quiet as kept... Suicide
Good friend of mine took a leap from his 20th floor balcony due to the fact certain elders were riding him over dumb bullshit like doing more 'more for jehovah'.
Hell in the last year I've heard of another 2.
My childhood friend's girlfriend did the same. Afterwards he stopped going to meetings for a while and the elders came after him with that same shit.
He moved halfway across the country and faded out. For my mom that was the last straw. She faded out too.
Of course by this point she had already pretty much left after the elders stalked her asking questions about why her worldly boyfriend's car was parked in the driveway overnight.
Sometimes I wonder how much of this comes from the elders not being properly educated on how to deal with a flock. Dogma aside, there's a whole skill set that goes behind managing a congregation.