Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses & Nation Of Islam

darth frosty

Dark Lord of the Sith
BGOL Investor
Sometimes I wonder how much of this comes from the elders not being properly educated on how to deal with a flock. Dogma aside, there's a whole skill set that goes behind managing a congregation.
THEY HAVE NO EDUCATION IN DEALING WITH PEOPLES PROBLEMS!!!

all they have are some bullshit watchtower and awake mags to rely on.

Good info and insight can be found here


JT,
I normally understand everything you write, and get what you mean, but I have been trying to figure out your CHEESE CRACKER men expression? Help me, please?
Danny
The Cheese Cracker Men who are they??

In my view understanding who these men are will help a person who is considering DAing himself or meeting with these men- these men are the elders



you see at Walmart you have persons who hand out cheese when you come in for a living, now in and of itself there is nothing wrong with doing this for a living, it is honest work but the problem is typically speaking a person who does this for a living generally is not one who then turns around and makes decisions about folks very lives, their self worth or determine thier relationship with god, yet that is what elders do-



so when a person meets with the elders either for a judical meeting or give them a DAing you are meeting with CHEESE CRACKER MEN-



NOW WHY allow anyone want to allow such a person do determine thier self .



No one ever meets with the real movers and shakers with in the org, guys from Service or Writing, instead all jw meet with the Cheese Cracker men



take bill bowen, while we understand that he was making a point about the judical system, even he didn't get a hearing before anyone from NY instead we all saw the 3 Cheese Cracker Men coming out of the Hotel that met with him



I often think of the dear women on this board who have personally expericnce the Cheese Cracker Men



imagine telling someone on their job who is a non jw that they meet with 3 guys who work at walmart handing out Cheese and they asked her if she sucked on a man Peter

yes 3 men who many times have not even finished High School are asking women questions about the most personal things one can imagine,

one person stands out in my mind-- there is a Dr. in my old Hall --she has to submit to MS who are uneducated due to being a woman,



at work she commands entire staffs of men and watching her submit herself under the belief that this is jah will is so sad-



I will tell anyone who is considering leaving, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME dealing with Cheese Cracker men- they are below you and don't give them the time of day- this is one of the reasons why i Will Never write a DAing letter- I Refuse to Dignify their Title or Position by sending them anything.

I don';t need that type of Closure in my life, I closed out my days as a jw the night i turned in my Flock book and walk My Black A$$ out the door. If anyone want me they will have to come to me-

It is so important to me esp for women to understand this concept because it will empower them-

these guys have no right to question any woman about the subjects that elders feel they are entitled to.



We often think about the elders found in the western countries, what scares me is when you get into 3rd or underdeveloped countries - they don't even have the Cheese , just Crackers- smile



Looking back on being an elder it is now a Joke- it's sorta like we were on the Andy Griffin Show and we were all Barney ---

the wt has created one of the greatest pull the wool, where they take reg old guys like me and others



tell us that god appointed us, tell the members that god appointed us and then put us in charge NO QUESTOINS ASKED-



Yes I too was a Cheese Cracker Man

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305

Rising Star
Registered
cmon bro, Black people are in these religions. Not knowing one means you not black. The real question is anyone know a Hasidic Jew
 

RoadRage

the voice of reason
BGOL Investor
As a certified critical thinker I choose not to outsource reasoning to people or organizations that may not have my best interest at hand.
And if you cannot prove what you are saying with falsifiable evidence then I file all the bullshit under superstition and mythology.
But hey some people are not able to properly think critically and are dependant on other opinions to guide them through life..... Yeah, good luck with that!
 

3rd__Optic

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Had a jehovahs witness legit use SEX as a selling point, couldn't believe it.
No offense to practicing Jehovah's Witnesses but I personally know a family whose women are some of the finest Ho's. I knocked off 2 of my home's cousins and his sister (I ran across some home grown pics the other day ). Those were the days Man!!!
 
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bxclark

Rising Star
Platinum Member
No offense to practicing Jehovah's Witnesses but I personally know a family whose women are some of the finest Ho's. I knocked off 2 of my home's cousins and his sister(I ran across some home grown pics the other day ). Those were the days Man!!!
That is common. Jehovah witness women are sexually repressed and are probably some of the easiest to drop their panties if they haven't been completely brainwashed. While I was a "practicing" JW, I had my fair share...
 

neptunes007

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
We evolved from primates. Any who denies that is an idiot. If a person denied scientific fact then they should not be using anything that contains an electric circuit or pulse.

I believe in science- our reasoning of how this physical reality was created by God, Allah, Gia, or whatever you call the Supreme Being.
 
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bxclark

Rising Star
Platinum Member
This channel has helped me a lot!

I was born into the religion, I stopped going and faded away 27 years ago..



Same here. I've thought about reaching out to JT and Lady C to take them to dinner since they live in the DMV area.

I was born in as well, got disfellowshipped and always had a small part of me that held on to going back. Until I read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz and started watching JT, ExJW Fifth, Lloyd Evans, etc.

My favorite was bridgetfromAZ

She would call kingdom halls and eviscerate folk who would pick up with opposing doctrine.

I don't consume as much as I used to but I'm glad I'm out. The majority of my immediate family is still in though. Sad situation. Anyway.. appreciate you sharing bro. Good to know there is another cult escapist/survivor on the board.. lol!
 

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
BGOL Investor
Will check him out

Have you seen JT and Lady C Channel


I really like JT. With the way he talks you can tell that he must have had a perfect report card in the theocratic ministry school. He sounds like he's still on the platform lol.

What I appreciate the most is that he tells it like it is without giving in to bitterness or anger. It was a big chapter in his life and now that it's over he just talks about it. Good and bad.

Because at the end of the day the organization and belief system is so counterproductive and illogical that's all you really need to do. Lay out the facts and encourage people to think about them.
 

BigBlack31

Rising Star
BGOL Patreon Investor
Just reading this thread again and never saw this. @Dannyblueyes you are so right when you finally realize it was all a lie. When I finally took down that spiritual fake wall down and got to know the so called “worldly” people they treated me better then the so called brothers and sisters.

For me I will admit I had to do therapy. I was so fucked up how my family instantly cut me off. Like you love a god more than your own kid? You let fake ass white men control your life? I just couldn’t understand and it really had me fucked up.
Plus for me and I still struggle sometimes. Having a normal conversation with someone I never met before. Like I was so trained and brainwashed that I never learned how to talk to someone regular. Meaning a conversation not pulling out the Bible or just talking JW stuff.
Yeah like others said though, it’s just not fair if your born into it. Or if your younger and your parents join and you have no choice.

‘what else is crazy @Dannyblueyes I am a DJ too. I stopped for a lil bit but getting back into it hard now. I have done a few parties out, but was always nervous. I am getting through it now though. It has been about 11 years I’ve been gone, and I can finally say I’m getting right. People always like man I just would of left. There no way I would of stayed. But they just don’t understand. Especially if your born in.





That was the one thing about JW life that was always hard to to get my head around.

You're always hearing from the platform how evil and wicked worldly people are. They use drugs, have premarital sex, they lie, cheat, steal, worship Satan, watch R rated movies and some even wear jeans to church.

Thing was that I grew up in a Bible belt community. Most of the kids I went to school with had pretty much the same values I was raised with. When I brought "My book of Bible stories" to show and tell in the first grade I was shocked to find out most kids already had a copy. Their version was a different color and replaced the Jehovah's with Jesus and God's but aside from that it was the exact same book. one of the reasons I don't have any friends from school is because I let petty differences get in the way.

The hardest part is that once you realize you've been lied to your entire life, how do you go about making up your own mind? You have years of elders and governing bodies telling you what's right or wrong how do you decide for yourself? You've suddenly learned that some wrathful bastard isn't going to destroy the world before you turn 30 so what do you do with the rest of your life?

It's ironic, but I found my calling and genuine fulfillment and playing parties. every Friday and Saturday I'll bring my speakers and lights down to a house, community center, or a school, crank them up as loud as fuck, and encourage everybody to drink party and enjoy themselves. it warms my heart to know that they're having the time of their lives and creating moments that will never leave them.

If there really is a God that loves each and every one of us he wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
 

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
BGOL Investor
Just reading this thread again and never saw this. @Dannyblueyes you are so right when you finally realize it was all a lie. When I finally took down that spiritual fake wall down and got to know the so called “worldly” people they treated me better then the so called brothers and sisters.

For me I will admit I had to do therapy. I was so fucked up how my family instantly cut me off. Like you love a god more than your own kid? You let fake ass white men control your life? I just couldn’t understand and it really had me fucked up.
Plus for me and I still struggle sometimes. Having a normal conversation with someone I never met before. Like I was so trained and brainwashed that I never learned how to talk to someone regular. Meaning a conversation not pulling out the Bible or just talking JW stuff.
Yeah like others said though, it’s just not fair if your born into it. Or if your younger and your parents join and you have no choice.

‘what else is crazy @Dannyblueyes I am a DJ too. I stopped for a lil bit but getting back into it hard now. I have done a few parties out, but was always nervous. I am getting through it now though. It has been about 11 years I’ve been gone, and I can finally say I’m getting right. People always like man I just would of left. There no way I would of stayed. But they just don’t understand. Especially if your born in.

Good to see you out there rocking parties. Hopefully a lot of Christmas parties, birthdays, and whatever the hell else these crazy pagans get up to these days. Eventually it stops feeling rebellious and you start to understand the real joy of bringing people together no matter what the occasion is.

It's really cruel fucked up that your parents shunned you. I hope they come to their senses one day.

My dad was disfellowshipped when I was a kid. We had to go to the Kingdom Hall 15 minutes late, sit in the bag, leave during the last song, and not so much is make eye contact with people we were calling brothers and sisters a few months before

He eventually got back in, but I never forgot what that was like. Might have been why I left right in the middle of studying for baptism. Back then they didn't shun inactive publishers.

Eventually my dad faded out. My mom did the same. The last straw was when the elders basically stalked her and her "worldly" boyfriend. Asking why she had a strange car parked in her driveway overnight.

The rest of my family is half in half out. We have an unspoken agreement where we don't shun them, they don't shun us, we don't invite them to Christmas they don't open their bibles.

It takes a long time to get there, but it's possible. My ex-girlfriend was six years disfellowshipped when we met and her family works the same way.
 

joneblaze

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
I left the JW organization in 2003 .Everyones story is different . I know some have had painful experiences with pedophiles,rape and being disowned by their families. I never had those experiences but i saw the hypocrisy,the love and care started fading away especially if you werent attending the meetings on a regular basis. They are just as human as the next person so of course there was sex before marriage,people doing things that were forbidden like seeing R rated movies or watching shows that had an Rated vibe. One sister wouldnt even watch Disney movies because she felt Disney promoted beastiality.(Beauty and the Beast) I will always say there are still good,loving caring people within the religion that still have my back even though i left 20 years ago. It's interesting to hear various stories of other former JW experiences. I still believe in Jehovah and i still believe all of the things in the Bible will and are coming to pass. I dont think a person as imperfect as me should tell me how to live my life though.
 

bxclark

Rising Star
Platinum Member
I left the JW organization in 2003 .Everyones story is different . I know some have had painful experiences with pedophiles,rape and being disowned by their families. I never had those experiences but i saw the hypocrisy,the love and care started fading away especially if you werent attending the meetings on a regular basis. They are just as human as the next person so of course there was sex before marriage,people doing things that were forbidden like seeing R rated movies or watching shows that had an Rated vibe. One sister wouldnt even watch Disney movies because she felt Disney promoted beastiality.(Beauty and the Beast) I will always say there are still good,loving caring people within the religion that still have my back even though i left 20 years ago. It's interesting to hear various stories of other former JW experiences. I still believe in Jehovah and i still believe all of the things in the Bible will and are coming to pass. I dont think a person as imperfect as me should tell me how to live my life though.
Thanks for sharing. As a former JW, I agree with most of what you said. I am more agnostic these days, but respect everyone's choice. My JW fam sees me and shakes their heads and I shake mine right back.. Crazy situation..
 
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