Riiiiiight... so it's safe to assume you don't know how analogies work.Logic hard to follow? Nobody can prove there is non earth life in the universe but the odds are overwhelming there is based on trillions of galaxies with even more planets. But you can’t give definitive proof.
Nobody can prove LeBron cheated but the odds are overwhelming he has. What’s so hard to grasp ?
In everyday life you are right. Jay didnt need kellz or puff. That was a decision he made. He was chilling and working with them for years. Aint no way im going to hang around pedos or rapist.Everyone in the music entertainment business knew what is was and will be going on. Does that implicate everyone or make them guilty? No but maybe complicit! But again if one knows their boss is fucking someone they shouldn’t; is that one gonna say something if they got something to lose??
It is you that seems confused. Nothing I said is inaccurateRiiiiiight... so it's safe to assume you don't know how analogies work.
I hear what you're saying about Lebron and cheating it's just not at all analogous.
I do.t understand this line of argumentEveryone in the music entertainment business knew what is was and will be going on. Does that implicate everyone or make them guilty? No but maybe complicit! But again if one knows their boss is fucking someone they shouldn’t; is that one gonna say something if they got something to lose??
But it's not analogousIt is you that seems confused. Nothing I said is inaccurate
Who is making that case? Quote the poster so we can shame them all together.I do.t understand this line of argument
So if everyone knows Bambaata is raping boys Kells is fucking teenaged girls and Puff is date raping both sexes and or Russell Simmons is raping and molesting women...
How does that mean that Jay didn't fuck a 13 year old ? Or are you saying its ok for him to.fuck a 13 year old
I'm not a purist or super moral - we are on a porn board - but I don't get this rationale that somehow becuase other dudes did fucked up stuff and noone said anything that somehow it was ok ...its not ok to fuck a 13 year old girl no matter how.much other people around you say "its ok" and no.matter how down with it she may be ...
Weird shit happens in life. Weirder shit happens in the entertainment industry for sure! Some of it flat out disgusting!! I don’t know about Jay but a lot of rumors floating around! And we all know they be doing sick shit in that industry. I’m not accusing or vilifying Jay yet though…In everyday life you are right. Jay didnt need kellz or puff. That was a decision he made. He was chilling and working with them for years. Aint no way im going to hang around pedos or rapist.
They were all millionaires that didnt need each other.
You may not beWeird shit happens in life. Weirder shit happens in the entertainment industry for sure! Some of it flat out disgusting!! I don’t know about Jay but a lot of rumors floating around! And we all know they be doing sick shit in that industry. I’m not accusing or vilifying Jay yet though…
Are you ok seriously? Sometimes reading comprehension is what is needed! We are talking about Jay and puffy; big names and people within the industry! These people know what’s going on within the industry for sure! You accusing someone with no proof at all. I don’t know if he did it or not; I would bet you don’t know either…I do.t understand this line of argument
So if everyone knows Bambaata is raping boys Kells is fucking teenaged girls and Puff is date raping both sexes and or Russell Simmons is raping and molesting women...
How does that mean that Jay didn't fuck a 13 year old ? Or are you saying its ok for him to.fuck a 13 year old
I'm not a purist or super moral - we are on a porn board - but I don't get this rationale that somehow becuase other dudes did fucked up stuff and noone said anything that somehow it was ok ...its not ok to fuck a 13 year old girl no matter how.much other people around you say "its ok" and no.matter how down with it she may be ...
You may not be
But 50 is
Im not accusing - someone else isAre you ok seriously? Sometimes reading comprehension is what is needed! We are talking about Jay and puffy; big names and people within the industry! These people know what’s going on within the industry for sure! You accusing someone with no proof at all. I don’t know if he did it or not; I would bet you don’t know either…
Stop, it makes too much sense.Im not accusing - someone else is
And again my question is - you say they ( the big names ) in the industry know whats going on ...
So if Puffy is drugging and raping people like Pill Cosby Kells is banging underaged girls and Jay is in the company of those men ...how is it an unlikely thing that he had sex wit/ raped a 13 year old girl ??
are you saying people should give Jay (a big name ) the benefit of a doubt that he did nt do it - when other big names in the biz who have been accused shit turns out to be true??
Becuase im.sorry if a bunch of guys in a group of 4 or 5 that have a certain position all.seem to be involved in some not just freaky but illegal amd demented shit..seems to me its " birds of a feather "
Why should any rational person think - oh those other guys did sexually fucked up shit but Jay didn't....even tho what he is accused of is the same shit that those other guys did.
Asked this earlier- you'd belive in a guy who is accused of doing the shit his other 3 friends have been involved in doing? would you let your teen sister or your daughter hang with a guy whose other associates are all criminal.sex offenders???
Damn fam. I'm a big Hov and Beyonce fan. But you are on fucking point.Im not accusing - someone else is
And again my question is - you say they ( the big names ) in the industry know whats going on ...
So if Puffy is drugging and raping people like Pill Cosby Kells is banging underaged girls and Jay is in the company of those men ...how is it an unlikely thing that he had sex wit/ raped a 13 year old girl ??
are you saying people should give Jay (a big name ) the benefit of a doubt that he did nt do it - when other big names in the biz who have been accused shit turns out to be true??
Becuase im.sorry if a bunch of guys in a group of 4 or 5 that have a certain position all.seem to be involved in some not just freaky but illegal amd demented shit..seems to me its " birds of a feather "
Why should any rational person think - oh those other guys did sexually fucked up shit but Jay didn't....even tho what he is accused of is the same shit that those other guys did.
Asked this earlier- you'd belive in a guy who is accused of doing the shit his other 3 friends have been involved in doing? would you let your teen sister or your daughter hang with a guy whose other associates are all criminal.sex offenders???
Yup, but these other cats on this thread can't handle the truth.Damn fam. I'm a big Hov and Beyonce fan. But you are on fucking point.
I don’t believe any of them nor do I think any are innocent! The entertainment business as a whole is guilty of numerous crimes and other disgusting shit! So fuck them all. I don’t know any of the big ones personally nor been around them; so there private affairs I can’t speak on until they are proven to be what it is; so they may or may not be guilty of said shit! It will be determined and come out eventually…Im not accusing - someone else is
And again my question is - you say they ( the big names ) in the industry know whats going on ...
So if Puffy is drugging and raping people like Pill Cosby Kells is banging underaged girls and Jay is in the company of those men ...how is it an unlikely thing that he had sex wit/ raped a 13 year old girl ??
are you saying people should give Jay (a big name ) the benefit of a doubt that he did nt do it - when other big names in the biz who have been accused shit turns out to be true??
Becuase im.sorry if a bunch of guys in a group of 4 or 5 that have a certain position all.seem to be involved in some not just freaky but illegal amd demented shit..seems to me its " birds of a feather "
Why should any rational person think - oh those other guys did sexually fucked up shit but Jay didn't....even tho what he is accused of is the same shit that those other guys did.
Asked this earlier- you'd belive in a guy who is accused of doing the shit his other 3 friends have been involved in doing? would you let your teen sister or your daughter hang with a guy whose other associates are all criminal.sex offenders???
Thats fair. All Im saying is if metro booming dont trust ya.... lolWeird shit happens in life. Weirder shit happens in the entertainment industry for sure! Some of it flat out disgusting!! I don’t know about Jay but a lot of rumors floating around! And we all know they be doing sick shit in that industry. I’m not accusing or vilifying Jay yet though…
Like these clowns.Its coming undone ....
And mind you the same shit dudes are saying now is the same shit they said about Kells ...until proof came out
The shit started comin out about Diddy and dudes was like nah that's not true ...until it was
Aaron Hall was taking ass hanging around with Puffy and Kells
But somehow Jay who has fucked with young underaged chicks ( cough cough Rhianna ) somehow wasn't ficking any underage girls ...except for the chick he got pregnant apparently at 15....
" Jay Z Drama Explodes: Now Scandal Scarred Rapper's 'Secret Son' Claims His Mom was 15 and Jay was 22 … at Time of His Birth "
Jay Z Drama Explodes: Now Scandal Scarred Rapper's 'Secret Son' Claims His Mom was 15 and Jay was 22 … at Time of His Birth
The rapper's 'secret son' has opened up about his late mother's romance with the 99 Problems rapper amid his bombshell lawsuit.radaronline.com
What the fuck is this shit
Tony Buzbee is supposed to be a legit lawyer?
What the fuck is this shit
Tony Buzbee is supposed to be a legit lawyer?
A friend drove her to Radio City Music Hall in New York City, she said in the lawsuit. People thronged into viewing areas outside the venue, which was decked out for the awards. Crowds roared when J.Lo arrived. Eminem performed on the street.Jay-Z rape accuser comes forward to NBC News, acknowledges inconsistencies in her allegations
The woman told NBC News she came forward because “you should always advocate for yourself.” When asked about inconsistencies in her account, she added, “I have made some mistakes.”www.nbcnews.com
NBC News traveled to Houston to interview the woman, who declined to be identified, at her attorney’s office earlier this week.
“You should always fight for what happened to you,” she said about why she is going public with her accusations now. “You should always advocate for yourself and be a voice for yourself. You should never let what somebody else did ruin or run your life. I just hope I can give others the strength to come forward like I came forward.”
The woman, who is now 38, told NBC News she was living in Rochester, New York, in 2000 and that attending the VMAs was “on my bucket list at 13. It was like, ‘Oh, my gosh,’ one of those things I’ve got to do.” She said she snuck out a window to evade her parents.
A friend drove her to Radio City Music Hall in New York City, she said in the lawsuit. People thronged into viewing areas outside the venue, which was decked out for the awards. Crowds roared when J.Lo arrived. Eminem performed on the street.
She didn’t have a ticket, and said in the suit she watched some of the show on a jumbotron outside. She also started chatting up limo drivers. “I’m trying to get in to try to stay back and get to an after-party and get invited in and meet some celebrities,” she told NBC News.
One limo driver said he worked for Combs and that she “fit what Diddy was looking for,” the suit said, and he told her to return later and he’d take her to an after-party. After about 20 minutes in the limo, she said in the suit, she arrived at a “large white residence with a gated U-shaped driveway.” She said in the suit she signed a document that she didn’t read.
Inside, she told NBC News, “I’m talking to, like, Fred Durst, Benji Madden, about his tattoo, because, you know, about his tattoo that’s ‘The Last Supper,’ because I have a religious background, so it was just something to talk about.”
After accepting a drink from a waitress, she told NBC News: “I started feeling funny. Tried to start looking for a place to lay down.”
She found an empty room with a bed in it, she said in the suit, and soon after, Combs, Carter and a woman entered the room. “You are ready to party!” Combs said, according to the suit.
Both Combs and Carter raped her, she said. “Jay-Z comes over, holds me down. I start trying to push away. He puts his hand over my mouth, tells me to stop it, to cut the sh!t, and then he rapes me like he had me overpowered,” she said.
Afterward, she said in the suit, she managed to flee the house and ran to a gas station.
“I was upset, and the person at the gas station could tell that I was obviously upset, and she let me use the phone. I called my dad because he was the only person I trust at that time. I told him I messed up and I needed a ride home,” she told NBC News. “We rode home in silence. He didn’t ask me what happened. He didn’t ask me what I did or where I was.”
She told NBC News she never told anyone about the alleged assault or wrote it down in a diary. “Even if somebody found out, who was gonna believe me? I mean, it was to the word of two celebrities against mine,” she said.
The years after were hard, she said. “I got severely depressed. I withdrew completely. My grades started slipping,” and she dropped out of school. She experienced homelessness, she said, and at one point suffered a head injury. She and her father also said she was raped later in life.
She now has two children, a son and a daughter. She served less than a year in the Army National Guard and left with the rank of private. She got her high school diploma and “got my Christian counseling certification so that I can help people who have gone through what I’ve gone through,” she said.
She also said she has her applied behavior analysis certification so she can help people with autism, which she says she has. “There are so little resources to moms that don’t have the proper amount of income,” she said.
Reaction was swift in the days since the woman went public with her allegations against Carter. The rapper released a statement calling the claims “idiotic” and “heinous in nature” and sharply criticizing her attorney.
There are some inconsistencies in her story about that night.
Her father told NBC News that he does not recall picking her up after the alleged attack, casting doubt on a key detail in her lawsuit.
According to their address at the time, her father would have driven more than five hours from their home to pick her up.
“I feel like I would remember that, and I don’t,” he said in an interview Thursday. “I have a lot going on, but I mean, that’s something that would definitely stick in my mind.”
The woman’s father, who said he learned of the alleged assault this week, added that he did remember once picking her up in the middle of the night. But, he said, it “was a local drive.”
Asked about her father’s account in a follow-up interview on Friday, the woman said she stood by her claim that he had picked her up and that it’s possible he had misremembered.
“There are a lot of things, and this is stuff that we argue about constantly, something he said or did back in New York around that time period he just doesn’t remember,” she said. “It actually causes a lot of fights sometimes in the household.”
Regarding her father’s recollections, Buzbee told NBC News, “We agree he states he doesn’t remember. ... His daughter explains that he was in no state to remember during that point in time due to personal issues he was having then. We are talking about a time frame more than twenty years ago.”
The woman also told NBC News she spoke with musician Benji Madden at the after-party.
But a representative for Madden confirmed that neither Benji nor his brother Joel attended the 2000 VMAs and that they were on tour in the Midwest at that time. (The woman did not accuse the brothers of any wrongdoing.)
“Honestly, what is the clearest is what happened to me and [the] route that I took to what happened to me. Not all of the faces there are as clear,” the woman said in the Friday follow-up interview. “So I have made some mistakes. I may have made a mistake in identifying.”
The woman also could not provide further information about the after-party she said she attended.
Professional images reviewed by NBC News show Combs and Carter were among the celebrities who attended a VMAs after-party at the Lotus nightclub in New York City. It is not clear what time those images were taken, or if Combs and Carter attended any other after-parties.
The building that housed Lotus, now closed, does not match the description of the house the woman described in the lawsuit and interview.
“I didn’t know exactly where we were going or even how long it took,” the woman said when asked Tuesday where she thought she was taken that night. She added that she had guessed about the length of time the trip had taken in the lawsuit.
Buzbee said, “We have attempted to confirm the correct location. We have never suggested the location was the Lotus club. Our client has been very specific and detailed about the description of the venue she says she was taken to, and she has never stated it was the Lotus Club.”
He added, “We won’t speculate on whether there was an after-after party, because again, she doesn’t know that.”
Also among the woman’s allegations that could not be corroborated is how she made it to New York City that night.
One of her attorneys provided NBC News with the name and birth date of the friend she said drove her, who would have been 20 at the time. That person appears to have since died. NBC News’ attempts to reach the person’s relatives were unsuccessful.
What the fuck is this shit
Tony Buzbee is supposed to be a legit lawyer?
So let me get this right......nevermindJay-Z rape accuser comes forward to NBC News, acknowledges inconsistencies in her allegations
The woman told NBC News she came forward because “you should always advocate for yourself.” When asked about inconsistencies in her account, she added, “I have made some mistakes.”www.nbcnews.com
NBC News traveled to Houston to interview the woman, who declined to be identified, at her attorney’s office earlier this week.
“You should always fight for what happened to you,” she said about why she is going public with her accusations now. “You should always advocate for yourself and be a voice for yourself. You should never let what somebody else did ruin or run your life. I just hope I can give others the strength to come forward like I came forward.”
The woman, who is now 38, told NBC News she was living in Rochester, New York, in 2000 and that attending the VMAs was “on my bucket list at 13. It was like, ‘Oh, my gosh,’ one of those things I’ve got to do.” She said she snuck out a window to evade her parents.
A friend drove her to Radio City Music Hall in New York City, she said in the lawsuit. People thronged into viewing areas outside the venue, which was decked out for the awards. Crowds roared when J.Lo arrived. Eminem performed on the street.
She didn’t have a ticket, and said in the suit she watched some of the show on a jumbotron outside. She also started chatting up limo drivers. “I’m trying to get in to try to stay back and get to an after-party and get invited in and meet some celebrities,” she told NBC News.
One limo driver said he worked for Combs and that she “fit what Diddy was looking for,” the suit said, and he told her to return later and he’d take her to an after-party. After about 20 minutes in the limo, she said in the suit, she arrived at a “large white residence with a gated U-shaped driveway.” She said in the suit she signed a document that she didn’t read.
Inside, she told NBC News, “I’m talking to, like, Fred Durst, Benji Madden, about his tattoo, because, you know, about his tattoo that’s ‘The Last Supper,’ because I have a religious background, so it was just something to talk about.”
After accepting a drink from a waitress, she told NBC News: “I started feeling funny. Tried to start looking for a place to lay down.”
She found an empty room with a bed in it, she said in the suit, and soon after, Combs, Carter and a woman entered the room. “You are ready to party!” Combs said, according to the suit.
Both Combs and Carter raped her, she said. “Jay-Z comes over, holds me down. I start trying to push away. He puts his hand over my mouth, tells me to stop it, to cut the sh!t, and then he rapes me like he had me overpowered,” she said.
Afterward, she said in the suit, she managed to flee the house and ran to a gas station.
“I was upset, and the person at the gas station could tell that I was obviously upset, and she let me use the phone. I called my dad because he was the only person I trust at that time. I told him I messed up and I needed a ride home,” she told NBC News. “We rode home in silence. He didn’t ask me what happened. He didn’t ask me what I did or where I was.”
She told NBC News she never told anyone about the alleged assault or wrote it down in a diary. “Even if somebody found out, who was gonna believe me? I mean, it was to the word of two celebrities against mine,” she said.
The years after were hard, she said. “I got severely depressed. I withdrew completely. My grades started slipping,” and she dropped out of school. She experienced homelessness, she said, and at one point suffered a head injury. She and her father also said she was raped later in life.
She now has two children, a son and a daughter. She served less than a year in the Army National Guard and left with the rank of private. She got her high school diploma and “got my Christian counseling certification so that I can help people who have gone through what I’ve gone through,” she said.
She also said she has her applied behavior analysis certification so she can help people with autism, which she says she has. “There are so little resources to moms that don’t have the proper amount of income,” she said.
Reaction was swift in the days since the woman went public with her allegations against Carter. The rapper released a statement calling the claims “idiotic” and “heinous in nature” and sharply criticizing her attorney.
There are some inconsistencies in her story about that night.
Her father told NBC News that he does not recall picking her up after the alleged attack, casting doubt on a key detail in her lawsuit.
According to their address at the time, her father would have driven more than five hours from their home to pick her up.
“I feel like I would remember that, and I don’t,” he said in an interview Thursday. “I have a lot going on, but I mean, that’s something that would definitely stick in my mind.”
The woman’s father, who said he learned of the alleged assault this week, added that he did remember once picking her up in the middle of the night. But, he said, it “was a local drive.”
Asked about her father’s account in a follow-up interview on Friday, the woman said she stood by her claim that he had picked her up and that it’s possible he had misremembered.
“There are a lot of things, and this is stuff that we argue about constantly, something he said or did back in New York around that time period he just doesn’t remember,” she said. “It actually causes a lot of fights sometimes in the household.”
Regarding her father’s recollections, Buzbee told NBC News, “We agree he states he doesn’t remember. ... His daughter explains that he was in no state to remember during that point in time due to personal issues he was having then. We are talking about a time frame more than twenty years ago.”
The woman also told NBC News she spoke with musician Benji Madden at the after-party.
But a representative for Madden confirmed that neither Benji nor his brother Joel attended the 2000 VMAs and that they were on tour in the Midwest at that time. (The woman did not accuse the brothers of any wrongdoing.)
“Honestly, what is the clearest is what happened to me and [the] route that I took to what happened to me. Not all of the faces there are as clear,” the woman said in the Friday follow-up interview. “So I have made some mistakes. I may have made a mistake in identifying.”
The woman also could not provide further information about the after-party she said she attended.
Professional images reviewed by NBC News show Combs and Carter were among the celebrities who attended a VMAs after-party at the Lotus nightclub in New York City. It is not clear what time those images were taken, or if Combs and Carter attended any other after-parties.
The building that housed Lotus, now closed, does not match the description of the house the woman described in the lawsuit and interview.
“I didn’t know exactly where we were going or even how long it took,” the woman said when asked Tuesday where she thought she was taken that night. She added that she had guessed about the length of time the trip had taken in the lawsuit.
Buzbee said, “We have attempted to confirm the correct location. We have never suggested the location was the Lotus club. Our client has been very specific and detailed about the description of the venue she says she was taken to, and she has never stated it was the Lotus Club.”
He added, “We won’t speculate on whether there was an after-after party, because again, she doesn’t know that.”
Also among the woman’s allegations that could not be corroborated is how she made it to New York City that night.
One of her attorneys provided NBC News with the name and birth date of the friend she said drove her, who would have been 20 at the time. That person appears to have since died. NBC News’ attempts to reach the person’s relatives were unsuccessful.
A friend drove her to Radio City Music Hall in New York City, she said in the lawsuit. People thronged into viewing areas outside the venue, which was decked out for the awards. Crowds roared when J.Lo arrived. Eminem performed on the street.
Who is this friend & what was he doing driving a 13 year old to Radio City that night and leaving her there? Sounds like her pimp but lets get his side of the story. The story doesn't hold water, there was too much going on, right on 6th Avenue near the Jumbotron. They also had barricades on the parking lanes, no Limo's were parked there. Limos might have been parked on the side streets 50th & 51st Street but if I recall the production trucks were lined up on both sides of Radio City.
A friend drove her to Radio City Music Hall in New York City, she said in the lawsuit. People thronged into viewing areas outside the venue, which was decked out for the awards. Crowds roared when J.Lo arrived. Eminem performed on the street.
Who is this friend & what was he doing driving a 13 year old to Radio City that night and leaving her there? Sounds like her pimp but lets get his side of the story. The story doesn't hold water, there was too much going on, right on 6th Avenue near the Jumbotron. They also had barricades on the parking lanes, no Limo's were parked there. Limos might have been parked on the side streets 50th & 51st Street but if I recall the production trucks were lined up on both sides of Radio City.