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The Catcher In The Rye

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Hmmmm....

I'm still unclear what exactly ESPN doing here.

They cutting folk but overpaying big voices which is exactly what they BEEN doing unsuccessfully

I wanted to just leave it at congrats because she is very unfairly hated on just for being a woman

But you raise a good point.

I bet ESPN could cap all salaries at a million dollars and not lose quality but actually be better by not sacrificing the people in the background who could all get raises instead of axes.

It's really a lot like the CEO pay issue.
 

playahaitian

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I wanted to just leave it at congrats because she is very unfairly hated on just for being a woman

But you raise a good point.

I bet ESPN could cap all salaries at a million dollars and not lose quality but actually be better by not sacrificing the people in the background who could all get raises instead of axes.

It's really a lot like the CEO pay issue.

I'm a big fan of Mina and she deserves every penny.

But so did Van Gundy and a few others.

I do not know these people off camera or the REAL CONTRACT numbers so I'm careful to criticize a firing from an uninformed position

But I UNDERSTAND the McAfee thing

And they have NO ONE to blame but themselves because since the birth of ESPN + talent there TRIED to tell these executives how to properly use, develop and monetize their insane market dominance.

Why didn't ALL THESE shows have podcasts as soon as that option became available?

They wasted so much money streaming edited versions of their shows because they didn't have the foresight to arrange permission to use footage.

Should have videotaped all podcasts and radio shows to stream later.

They could have created and OWNED a dozen McAfee types 5 to 8 years ago.

They stupidly blocked espn talent from going on other shows... in the past

But look how Pablo Bo and Mina did.

They SHOULD have did similar shared deals with other talent from jump

Sadly Bo didn't work out but they never supported his podcast properly. And used him the right way. Should have had a regular guest spot on a couple of shows.

But I digress.

Mina legit smart.

But what the Ringer and Meadowlark is now? SHOULD be what ESPN was aiming at with a more polished bigger budget.

They keep firing talent when they ain't really the problem...

It's BEHIND the camera
 

Complex

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I'm a big fan of Mina and she deserves every penny.

She deserves every penny?

For what?

You watch shows for Mina or are you already watching the shows?

I think she's cool, but replaceable and doesn't add anything special or signifiant.

They kept her, because she fits the asian demo. Unfortunately they only have so many asian voices, so they can't get rid of her or Pablo.
 

playahaitian

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She deserves every penny?

For what?

You watch shows for Mina or are you already watching the shows?

I think she's cool, but replaceable and doesn't add anything special or signifiant.

They kept her, because she fits the asian demo. Unfortunately they only have so many asian voices, so they can't get rid of her or Pablo.

Yeah she does so does McAfee Tony Mike Stephen A Greeny Scott etc etc

Don't matter if I like them or not

They negotiated they got paid so they "deserve it" on that level. But she EARNED IT.

Mina works damn hard. Knows football better than most of these so called experts and made sure to have a strong social media presence

And yes I watch shows specifically for her and listen to her podcasts.

You don't like her that's fine its ALL subjective but she put in the work and actually knows what she is talking about.

Wtf more is there?

She was not gifted her spot.

Now Katie Nolan? Beadle?

Ok I get that argument.
 

shaddyvillethug

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She deserves every penny?

For what?

You watch shows for Mina or are you already watching the shows?

I think she's cool, but replaceable and doesn't add anything special or signifiant.

They kept her, because she fits the asian demo. Unfortunately they only have so many asian voices, so they can't get rid of her or Pablo.
????

Kevin Ngahdi been on the network for a long time

They have had multiple Asians of Al flavors

Mina kimes getting paid as much as SAS is a abomination

Bitch never played a down of football in her entire life and gets paid to talk about it

Why isn’t the black inside Josina Anderson getting paid 3 million????
 

XXXplosive

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Hmmmm....

I'm still unclear what exactly ESPN doing here.

They cutting folk but overpaying big voices which is exactly what they BEEN doing unsuccessfully
It looks like ESPN's strategy is to pay (overpay?) for personalities and folks with large social media followers that can hopefully pull in extra viewers while letting go of folks who are just "traditional" reporters and talking heads.
Who knows if it will work in the end, but that appears to be their strategy.
 

playahaitian

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It looks like ESPN's strategy is to pay (overpay?) for personalities and folks with large social media followers that can hopefully pull in extra viewers while letting go of folks who are just "traditional" reporters and talking heads.
Who knows if it will work in the end, but that appears to be their strategy.

I got that...

But I still don't "get" it as a good plan.
 

XXXplosive

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She deserves every penny?

For what?

You watch shows for Mina or are you already watching the shows?

I think she's cool, but replaceable and doesn't add anything special or signifiant.

They kept her, because she fits the asian demo. Unfortunately they only have so many asian voices, so they can't get rid of her or Pablo.
I like Mina, but $1.7m per year is a lot of fucking money and I'm not sure she's worth that.
Plus she's about to have a baby (for the first time I assume) and will presumably be off the air for a bit.
I'm sure when she comes back off maternity leave they will work her like a dog and have her on damn near every show like Charles Barkley joked about.
 

Complex

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Yeah she does so does McAfee Skip Tony Mike Stephen A

Don't matter if I like them or not

They negotiated they got paid so they deserve it

Mina works damn hard. Knows football better than most of these so called experts and made sure to have a strong social media presence

And yes I watch shows specifically for her and listen to her podcasts.

You don't like fine its ALL subjective but she put in the work and actually knows what she us talking about.

Wtf more is there?

She was gifted her spot.

Now Katie Nolan? Beadle?

Ok I get that argument.

Difference is that McAfee, Stephen A, Skip.....carry shows and have real fanbases. She's a guest on other peoples shows. People don't come for her.
 

playahaitian

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I like Mina, but $1.7m per year is a lot of fucking money and I'm not sure she's worth that.
Plus she's about to have a baby (for the first time I assume) and will presumably be off the air for a bit.
I'm sure when she comes back off maternity leave they will work her like a dog and have her on damn near every show like Charles Barkley joked about.

Bro...

When it comes to these contracts?

unless it's coaches?

Sidebar: whose salaries should also be capped but that's another thread topic

It's what you negotiate

What do we care?

Cause trust me Michael Smith got more than that just to stay home.

And could name quite few others who don't work as hard as Mina who got more.

Again it's what you negotiate

But it's not like we can't look at her resume and make a good case.

You REALLY want to discuss WORTH with ANY of these talking heads?
 

Complex

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I like Mina, but $1.7m per year is a lot of fucking money and I'm not sure she's worth that.
Plus she's about to have a baby (for the first time I assume) and will presumably be off the air for a bit.
I'm sure when she comes back off maternity leave they will work her like a dog and have her on damn near every show like Charles Barkley joked about.

Yeah, Kimberly Martin was appearing on Get Up at 8am and then going directly to Jets camp

The biggest thing about Mina is she doesn't really have a personality, and personality is what drives TV and keeps people coming back
 

playahaitian

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Difference is that McAfee, Stephen A, Skip.....carry shows and have real fanbases. She's a guest on other peoples shows. People don't come for her.

ok...

But espn Disney see her value.

Be mad at them.

And if rating and views go UP when she is on those shows podcasts and social media platforms... that's an asset.

Because they do go up.

We live in the age where the hated and untalented have value just because the attention they garner can be potentially monetized.

I'd rather pay her because she is smart experienced works hard has a fan base a follow-up string social media presence

As long as it's not another cookie cutter loud white man I'm good.
 

Complex

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Bro...

When it comes to these contracts?

unless it's coaches?

Sidebar: whose salaries should also be capped but that's another thread topic

It's what you negotiate

What do we care?

Cause trust me Michael Smith got more than that just to stay home.

And could name quite few others who don't work as hard as Mina who got more.

Again it's what you negotiate

But it's not like we can't look at her resume and make a good case.

You REALLY want to discuss WORTH with ANY of these talking heads?

How does Mina work so hard when it's people who work football, basketball....

Mina's expertise is football

and how does she work so hard?

Let's take Max for example...in the morning he did radio with Jay Williams and Keyshawn

and in the afternoon he did his own show for an hour

Jalen would make appearances on Get Up, NBA Today, do Jalen & Jacoby and work NBA games

Mina makes appearances on Get Up, ATH and NFL Live...

So how does she work so hard?
 

playahaitian

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Yeah, Kimberly Martin was appearing on Get Up at 8am and then going directly to Jets camp

The biggest thing about Mina is she doesn't really have a personality, and personality is what drives TV and keeps people coming back

But that's your OPINION.

I've heard people claim Kimberly has no personality too. And doesn’t know what she us talking about. Basically everything you saying about Mina

And vehemently disagree.
 

Complex

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ok...

But espn Disney see her value.

Be mad at them.

And if rating and views go UP when she is on those shows podcasts and social media platforms... that's an asset.

Because they do go up.

We live in the age where the hated and untalented have value just because the attention they garner can be potentially monetized.

I'd rather pay her because she is smart experienced works hard has a fan base a follow-up string social media presence

As long as it's not another cookie cutter loud white man I'm good.

They go up? Where do you see that? She doesn't even have a show.

She just appears. There is no announcement that she's going to be on a show besides ATH....and are people turning away because Mina isn't up there today?

You're inventing shit.

The hated draw a reaction which is an asset, Mina draws no reaction.
 

Complex

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But that's your OPINION.

I've heard people claim Kimberly has no personality too. And doesn’t know what she us talking about. Basically everything you saying about Mina

And vehemently disagree.

Do you watch Get Up or First Take?

and you think Kimberly Martin has no personality, despite her banter with Stephen A or Marcus Spears :hmm:

You're giving your opinion.
 

playahaitian

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How does Mina work so hard when it's people who work football, basketball....

Mina's expertise is football

and how does she work so hard?

Let's take Max for example...in the morning he did radio with Jay Williams and Keyshawn

and in the afternoon he did his own show for an hour

Jalen would make appearances on Get Up, NBA Today, do Jalen & Jacoby and work NBA games

Mina makes appearances on Get Up, ATH and NFL Live...

So how does she work so hard?

Max is my man I actually got to meet him a few times so you don't have to even say nothing to me about that.

And trust Max got paid.

and look what they did?

Mina isn't only a football expert though.

She does the car wash like the other heads PLUS her podcast and did debatable

you thinking being a lead football analyst on espn is NOT hard work?

And all the football folk the same level?

What you talking about?
 

playahaitian

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Do you watch Get Up or First Take?

and you think Kimberly Martin has no personality, despite her banter with Stephen A or Marcus Spears :hmm:

You're giving your opinion.

Yeah I'm done cause you not listening

I SAID I LIKE KIM

But they hate on her just like Mina.
 

Complex

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Max is my man I actually got to meet him a few times so you don't have to even say nothing to me about that.

And trust Max got paid.

and look what they did?

Mina isn't only a football expert though.

She does the car wash like the other heads PLUS her podcast and did debatable

you thinking being a lead football analyst on espn is NOT hard work?

And all the football folk the same level?

What you talking about?

She's not a lead anything

She makes appearances with a bunch of other football experts based on day

I'm wondering how appearing on TV for maybe two hours a day is such hard work

Especially compared to the workloads of some of the others. Hell, Malika Andrews does NBA Today, basketball and still does reporting
 

XXXplosive

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Bro...

When it comes to these contracts?

unless it's coaches?

Sidebar: whose salaries should also be capped but that's another thread topic

It's what you negotiate

What do we care?

Cause trust me Michael Smith got more than that just to stay home.

And could name quite few others who don't work as hard as Mina who got more.

Again it's what you negotiate

But it's not like we can't look at her resume and make a good case.

You REALLY want to discuss WORTH with ANY of these talking heads?
I'm surprised the amount she's making leaked out to the public.
Not sure I've ever seen that before where a media personality's salary is so widely known.
I wonder if that number is even accurate and how it got leaked.
I can see some of the other folks at ESPN who don't make that much demanding a pay raise now.
 

Complex

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I'm surprised the amount she's making leaked out to the public.
Not sure I've ever seen that before where a media personality's salary is so widely known.
I wonder if that number is even accurate and how it got leaked.
I can see some of the other folks at ESPN who don't make that much demanding a pay raise now.

It's been happening a lot recently. It used to just happen with the big names. Before it was just this person makes seven figures or over a million.

Look at what they did with Stephen A, Joe Buck, Aikman and Pat MacAfee

I think a lot of it is happening now, to get back at ESPN for their layoffs. You laid off these people, but gave these people this much....

Marcellius Wiley talks about salaries a lot also
 

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She deserves every penny?

For what?

You watch shows for Mina or are you already watching the shows?

I think she's cool, but replaceable and doesn't add anything special or signifiant.

They kept her, because she fits the asian demo. Unfortunately they only have so many asian voices, so they can't get rid of her or Pablo.
Man, you talking about ESPN and by extension Disney media. Expect a fucking clownshow. :lol: Man, you watching some blockbuster/blackberry shit in real fucking time. You see in this very thread people don't know what the fuck ESPN doing.

Call that shit BoomerSPN.
 

Complex

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Man, you talking about ESPN and by extension Disney media. Expect a fucking clownshow. :lol: Man, you watching some blockbuster/blackberry shit in real fucking time. You see in this very thread people don't know what the fuck ESPN doing.

Call that shit BoomerSPN.

It's obvious

I was wondering earlier this week why I was getting Dominique's pod twice in a row, and if it was my app and then I realized what it was. They pushed it to Bo's feed.

Bomani had the number two podcast on ESPN, but ESPN figured they can develop Domonique and he would maintain a lot of the black demo, especially since they had Foxworth Friday's and all of us are familiar with him. So cut the one making more money and they can send Domique through the turnstile since that's not really Bo's thing.
 
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