Sports Media: Pablo Torre & Bomani new ESPN show HIGH NOON Update: They BOTH GONE! Pablo new show on Meadowlark

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It’s on right now. I’m checking it out. I dig debate shows like this; especially between two thoughtful commentators.

I love Bomani and Pablo, but I’m not sure about this format. They’ve got this constant background track playing over them talking that gives it a trivia game show vibe. Kinda puts me in the mind of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Shits kind of annoying.
The background music is the first thing I noticed. Just a bad time to start a sports show NBA is almost over, best to start right before the football season. Once the Finals is over that is when PTI, Shannon Sharpe and Skip start taking vacations.
So the wife and I both decided to stay home and caught the show. Just like you two she said the background music is too distracting. More interesting is that she thinks the music choice is the problem.

So the show is PTI but with a younger vibe to it.
It'll get better no show starts off polished and finish they'll take the week look at the feedback adjust see what we like and don't like

They'll also do better once they discuss broader topics right now it's blood from a turnip with the nba finals.

agreed it WILL get better...

Yeah REALLY didn't like the background music, I get what they doing but it either is the WRONG music or just a bad idea.

This too are so sharp and the behind the scenes staff are pros..

I think how they will REALLY shine doing this "down" period in the sports calendar

(sidebar: does that even REALLY exist anymore? With draft, mini camp, free agency and sports TMZ I feel like its 365 sports news now)

becaose Pablo and Bo are really able to tie together sports pop culture music movies tv and social issues to sports in a way NO ONE else can

(damn I miss His & Hers)
 

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ESPN’s ‘High Noon’ felt simultaneously fresh and familiar in its debut hour
Is the show really here for the jokes? Monday's premiere sent some mixed messages, but showed some promising signs.
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ESPNBy Alex Putterman on 06/04/2018


“We’re all here for the jokes,” Bomani Jones said Monday during the opening block of ESPN’sHigh Noon (9 a.m. Pacific). (Yes, it is officially called that.)

Jones was specifically commenting on the viral video of LeBron James reacting to the Cavs not calling timeout late in Game 1 of the NBA Finals, but he was also making a point that seems essential to the future of his show with Pablo Torre.

“I feel like the beauty of social media in 2018 is that we have taken these things that the sports media would have otherwise gone way so hard and moralistic on and everything else, and we are wallowing in all the jokes,” Jones continued. “We are making the world a better place.”

High Noon, which debuted Monday more than a year after it was first announced, was at its best Monday when Jones and Torre were cracking jokes, giggling and generally having fun. It wasn’t just their uproarious laughter at the LeBron video. It was also Bomani’s quip about what people “around my way” would think about Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova’s relative beauty, Pablo’s light-hearted distress at the poor play of fellow Filipino Jordan Clarkson and the hosts’ joint love of a horse named Bofa Deez Nuts.


That kind of wisecracking was the most refreshing aspect of a show that, content-wise at least, often felt more like the average sports-talk program than we were conditioned to expect. There were two guys at a desk bantering about the NBA Finals. There were quick-hit conversations about the day’s various top sports stories. There were themed notecards (“QUOTE,” “NUMBER”) meant to stimulate discussion. There were even some provocative (dare we say, hot) takes, such as Torre arguing near the top of the show that LeBron James should be Finals MVP even if his team gets swept. If the show aspires to be more than “Pardon The Interruption for a younger crowd,” it’s probably not there yet.

Where High Noon mostly differentiated itself Monday, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse, was through its production. The show employed a variety of camera angles, including a skycam, cutting quickly from close-ups to wide shots to split-screens. In that way and others, High Noon eschewed live-TV convention, cultivating a cinematic veneer. It shot in 24fps. It used a widescreen aspect ratio. It even played dramatic music in the background for most of the show, as if the protagonists were preparing to clash with a castle-dwelling dragon.


That production made the show feel #important, in a way that might have been fitting for a long-awaited premiere, but one that also seemed to betray the hosts’ reputations for not taking sports too seriously.


It’s unclear how much of what we saw Monday is part of the show’s long-term plan and how much was rolled out specifically for the premiere, but some aspects of the debut hour would be difficult to sustain over weeks and months. The production was heavy-handed. The movie motif was intense. The conversation was fast-paced, occasionally to the point of leaving the viewer exhausted. In all senses, the show will probably have to slow down.

But for all of that, there were plenty of moments Monday when it seemed that this fairly ambitious idea — PTI, except live and twice as long — could very much work. Jones and Torre are smart, funny and well-rounded, and it’s clear they genuinely like each other. They have fresh, entertaining takes on everything from the Serena-Maria rivalry to the Jerry Colangelo burner-account scandal to MMA fighters with swastika tattoos. High Noon has a chance to be extremely watchable — especially if the show is truly here for the jokes.

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Trusting the ESPN Process: Can Bomani Jones and Pablo Torre Create a New Version of Sports Talk TV?
The producing guru behind ‘Pardon the Interruption’ and ‘Highly Questionable’ is doing everything he can to make it happen. But it won’t be easy in 2018.
By Bryan Curtis Jun 4, 2018, 6:00am EDTSHARE
“In texting with Sam Hinkie last night …” Pablo Torre began, looking straight into the camera.

Texting with Sam Hinkie,” Bomani Jones grumbled under his breath.

“… he did not confirm what I’m about to announce to you,” Torre said. The Philadelphia 76ers, Torre said grandly, should “bring Sam Hinkie back from the dead and make him the general manager again.”

When it was his turn, Jones stared into another camera. “Here’s my announcement,” he said. “Burner accounts are the lamest thing in the world.”

For the producers of High Noon, the new ESPN studio show, the Bryan Colangelo story was a dream come true. They were almost sad to waste it on Wednesday’s dress rehearsal. The story accentuated the roles Torre thought the hosts would settle into: Jones would be the voice of skeptical experience and Torre, a chronicle-acolyte of Hinkie’s Process, would play the bratty millennial.

Torre and Jones went at it. Torre said Colangelo was “bad at generally managing how to get information out” since nothing came of the tweet-suggestions. Jones said, “If you need to do it that bad, homie, get you a journal!”

After 16 minutes, the hosts heard a voice in their ears from High Noon’sWashington, D.C., control room: “How’d that feel, gentlemen?”

The voice belonged to the show’s creator, Erik Rydholm. In need of a hit, ESPN has turned to Rydholm and allowed him to develop High Noon almost without interference. “They have left Erik alone in a way that you might leave a director on 30 for 30alone,” Torre told me. Asked why Rydholm got such a wide berth, Norby Williamson, the ESPN executive in charge of studio shows, said: “I don’t give wide berths to people who don’t deserve it. When you have a track record—when you’ve made doughnuts and those doughnuts are selling very successfully—to me it’s not much of a risk.”

Everything else at ESPN seems like a risk. Last year, the network was buffeted by cord-cutting, two rounds of layoffs, increased helicopter parenting from the Walt Disney Company, and the occasional blast from the Trump administration. The same day Torre and Jones rehearsed for High Noon in the show’s New York studio, Sarah Huckabee Sanders stood in the White House briefing room and complained that Disney had apologized for Roseanne’s tweets but not Jemele Hill’s.

Yet despite High Noon’s endless gestation period (its existence was reported as early as October 2016), there was little doubt the show would reach the air. The reason was Rydholm’s track record. You can walk through his office in Washington and see ESPN’s entire 4:30 to 6 p.m. block. Start in the pod for Pardon the Interruption, where Tony Kornheiser is asking someone to explain the finer points of a burner account.Walk straight ahead to Around the Horn, the 16-year-old series that acts as a retirement fund for sports columnists. Hang a left and you find Highly Questionable, which turned Dan Le Batard and his septuagenarian father, Gonzalo, into TV stars. Rydholm also created Desus & Mero for Viceland before leaving the show in April.

With High Noon,ESPN is once again relying on Rydholm’s approach to hit-making. Most sports shows—think First Take—pit virtual strangers against each other in chyron-induced combat. Rydholm’s idea is different. He wants to take people who know each other off-screen and re-create their relationship as a TV show.


Rydholm is a happy mix of contradictions: at once philosophical and practical, an auteur who can rattle off pretentious film references but is deferential to the talent. “My job, in short, is just to honor who they are—who they are as individuals and who they are together,” he said.

Rydholm’s voice grew dreamy when he talked of taking temporary custody of Pablo and Bomani’s friendship, just as he had Mike and Tony’s and Desus and Mero’s. “I love Bomani and I love Pablo,” he said. “I love everyone who’s working on the show. We should be able to do something with all that love.” To advertise High Noon, Rydholm didn’t want a raft of TV ads but wanted the hosts to tweet photos of themselves as young men. It reminded Rydholm of the montages you see projected on a screen at a wedding.

The hosts, in turn, talked of Rydholm as something between a producer and a life coach.“I’ve basically entrusted the entirety of my career to his judgment,” Jones said.

On Wednesday, Rydholm wore a denim jacket and had a vintage, “non-racist” Indians cap pulled over his bald head. He put thick black glasses on and pulled them off again. Some sports TV producers sit nervously while a show unspools; Rydholm tends to stand in a creative slouch.

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You could feel a slight sense of uneasiness in the control room. Five days before High Noon went on the air, Rydholm felt the show’s first segment, or A block, was a little off. During the previous day’s rehearsal, the hosts had gone back and forth on the Rockets’ meltdown in Game 7 of the Western Conference finals. It was recognizably a Rydholm show, except twice as long at one hour and—a first for his studio shows—live.

The problem was, the “real” Pablo and Bomani weren’t coming through the way Mike and Tony do on PTI. It was like the difference between observing a friendship and participating in it. “I didn’t get, as a viewer, enough on the feel side,” Rydholm told me. “I didn’t feel connected enough to them.” Today, Rydholm would reassert himself as a producer. In the, uh, process, he would do something more than try to make a good show. He would navigate the tension between friendship and television.



Rydholm’s great insight was to understand that a lot of us are both attracted to and repulsed by sports debates. We want to have the Jordan vs. LeBron GOAT argument. We really do. We just don’t want to feel terrible about it. Rydholm was able to reproduce that duality on TV better than anyone.

A Chicago native, Rydholm spent the early years of his career in the low rungs of TV and then became a founder of the early digital investment site The Motley Fool. In 2001, after the dot-com bubble burst, Rydholm and his partners had to lay off nearly 200 employees. After that, Rydholm vowed to stay a half-step behind the technological curve. “So often what people try and do is they try and figure out where the audience is going to be,” he said. “I’d just rather play to where they are.”

In 2001, Rydholm got a call from an ESPN producer named Jim Cohen, who told him he was developing a show with Washington Post columnists Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon. Rydholm submitted an 18-page memo—with Ruthian swagger, he predicted the show could run for 20 years—and he was hired as coordinating producer.

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But Rydholm shrugs off these adornments. “The show is their relationship,” he said. “That’s the show. If we didn’t have a single clock or rundown, it would still be a good show.”


“It’s really important for everybody to understand that we love each other,” Kornheiser told me, “that this is a relationship that goes beyond the 30 minutes on TV. They didn’t throw us together and say, ‘Act like dogs going after the same bone.’”

From its 2001 debut, PTI was hailed as both a successful specimen of sports TV and antidote to it. Kornheiser and Wilbon, an early Daily Varietyreview noted, “make up for the industry’s other blowhards who mouth off way too much.” (The cycle would repeat itself: Every Rydholm show was saving sports TV from itself.) Like its creator, PTI was self-deflating; the hosts seemed to be looking at the screen and saying, I can’t believe this is a show! As Jones told me admiringly of Rydholm, “He’s made Tony Kornheiser into a lovable man on television.”

In his manners, Rydholm is the opposite of a screaming, cajoling producer. He likes out-there metaphors: A show is a pomegranate, the rough outer skin hiding the wonders beneath; viewers, Rydholm once said, have a “wallet full of time.” Other TV producers’ favorite word is “fuck!” One of the words Rydholm uses most often is “delightful.”

Around four years ago, Rydholm turned his producing talents to brunch. Every Sunday morning, he gathered creative types whom he thought should know each other at a Brooklyn restaurant in which he’s an investor. The initial group included Torre; Ezra Edelman, who would direct the Oscar-winning documentary O.J.: Made in America; Wyatt Cenac, who now has his own HBO show; and the Grantland writer Rembert Browne. “I felt like I was putting together a blind date,” Rydholm said. “Are they interacting? Are they talking to each other? I hope it works out!

Now, the group meets every week. The guest list has grown to include the journalist James Surowiecki, the TV writer Cord Jefferson, and Jason Sudeikis. Asked if the brunch is sports TV’s answer to the Algonquin Round Table, Alan Yang, an attendee and cocreator of the series Master of None, said, “It’s kind of like that, but we’re also talking about LeBron’s hairline.” Cenac told me: “Erik is a much more social person than I am.” Rydholm created a chatty brunch for people who don’t aspire to chatty brunches—essentially pulling off the same trick as he did with his debate shows.

Though Rydholm says his motives were purely artistic, his brunch table has become an annex to the ESPN green room. One morning, Jones came to Rydholm with an idea: If he ever had his own TV show, he wanted to do it with Torre. A few weeks later, Torre said the same thing about Jones. It was the ultimate validation of the Rydholm method. High Noon, as it came to be called, wasn’t a show that suggested a relationship. It was a relationship that suggested a show.



Last Tuesday, Torre and Jones were crammed into two cubicles at the new ESPN office near New York’s South Street Seaport. “Welcome to our process,” Torre said with mock grandeur. The white-walled ESPN office, located near embarkation point for the Circle Line tour, will one day become a “content factory,” in the words of executive Connor Schell. But within the network it’s seen as a way for ESPN to come to the talent. “This is Connor saying we’re not going to get the best and brightest producers to move to Bristol anymore,” one source said.

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On Tuesday, Torre was wearing a Childish Gambino T-shirt, a windbreaker, and Adidas UltraBoosts; Jones wore a navy sports coat and gray slacks. Torre and Jones are well-known characters in the ESPN expanded universe—between them, they’ve appeared on Around the Horn 933 times. While working on Highly Questionable in Miami, they became friends, and their long talks about sports and politics and everything else convinced them that they might be better together. “I feel like we have made a bet jointly that we are the ones that will unlock the other,” Torre said.


Torre, who is 32, has the classic problem of a smart young guy at ESPN, which is that no one can stop thinking of you as the smart young guy. Hired as a magazine writer in 2012, he quickly became a bullpen arm on shows from Around the Horn to Olbermann. The act, he said, went something like this: “Here’s Li’l Sparky, he’s gonna show off how many words he knows.” Two years ago, when Kornheiser, Le Batard, and Tony Reali helped Torre re-create a Wolf of Wall Street GIF at his wedding, Torre was officially a made man. When I told Kornheiser he’d become Torre’s surrogate uncle, he replied, “I think I might be Pablo’s surrogate grandfather!”

On TV, Torre has always been cast as the junior partner. (On Le Batard’s radio show, his pronouncements are accompanied by lute music.) He sees High Noon as a chance to leave the knee of Kornheiser and Le Batard—to grow up, in TV terms. “On all these other shows, it’s a mentor-mentee kind of relationship,” Torre said. “This is not. I’m a colleague and a peer.”

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Jones, left, on Highly Questionable.
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For his part, Jones wants to convince Torre that the status symbols he flashed on his ascent through ESPN—the Harvard degree, the vocabulary—are no longer necessary. People like Pablo, full stop. Underneath all that, there’s a person that everyone really likes. When he gets done with Torre, Jones said, he will be “your friend who uses all these big words.”

Though Jones was the costar of Highly Questionable—“I spent four years laughing at animal videos”—he feels, at 37, that he is weirdly and unfairly lumped together with Stephen A. Smith. The two couldn’t be more different. Smith likes to throw wild roundhouses; Jones, despite talking fast and for long stretches, specializes in the pinpoint jab. Jones thinks he’s almost too controlled. “I have a therapist,” he said. “You know one of the things we work on? Getting me to be OK with acting all feely.”

Jones has a twice-a-week podcast and hosted an ESPN Radio show for two years. “On radio, he can fill four hours like nobody you’ve ever heard,” said one producer who has worked with Jones. “On television, you get the feeling that he’s a little fidgety. That leads you to believe he’s a little self-aware, that he doesn’t feel as if he has as much freedom.”

Jones more or less agrees with that. When Schell offered him what he thought was too little money to host High Noon, Jones told him, “I don’t think you have any idea how good I can be at television, because I don’t think that you have had any opportunity to see how good I could be at television.” Torre wants to give Jones a comfort level he has previously lacked—he told me he’s most happy when he makes Jones laugh.

The Torre-Jones friendship is a merry game of intellectual one-upmanship. (Matt Kelliher, the coordinating producer of High Noon, has joked the show should be called Bomani and Pablo Talk Down to You.) During rehearsals last Tuesday, Torre seized on Kobe Bryant’s tweet about the LeBron vs. Jordan GOAT debate. Bryant, Torre said, was shoving his way on stage with the GOAT front-runners and pitching himself as an alternative. Kobe was Ross Perot.

Spike Jonze shoot a stunt film on The Tonight Show, he decided to shoot High Noon in 24 frames per second, instead of the usual 30 or 60. He hoped it would give the show the visual quality of a film. Rydholm also added letterboxing and an Ennio Morricone–style opening theme. At times, it felt a little like Quentin Tarantino had remade The Sportswriters on TV.

report by Shaun King, the journalist and activist, that “star” NFL players were thinking of sitting out if Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid didn’t have jobs next year.

When the cameras rolled, Torre and Jones treated the King story with polite skepticism. Torre said unless the boycotters enlisted a major recruit like Aaron Rodgers, NFL owners were likely to ignore them. Neither man thought NFL players necessarily should boycott, because their careers are so short. It was the model of a hard-headed discussion about a story that’s hard to get a handle on.

“What I want from segments like those is … I don’t want them to be advocacy,” Jones said later. He felt advocacy would tie him to the boycotting players rather than the arguments about the players. Plus, Jones said, it roped in ESPN: “This isn’t my network. I don’t own this thing.”

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Torre on Around the Horn.
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Not surprisingly, High Noon turns out to be different from the fever dreams of Clay Travis, who has already dubbed the show Everything Is Racist. What’s surprising is that the media has abetted such bad-faith attacks. In March, when Get Up!’s Jalen Rose gave The Hollywood Reporter an anodyne answer about covering Trump’s sports tweets, the paper reported the show would “wake up woke.” Mike Greenberg had turned into Alex Pareene. Last month, a Wall Street Journal headline claimed ESPN was “consumed by politics.”

“We’re labeling stuff ‘politics’ that really isn’t politics,” Torre said. “As Bomani has put it to me, ‘Do you want someone on-air who may authentically stand up for issues of human dignity that are personal to them?’ … As triggering as that might be for people, and uncomfortable as that might be for people, that’s not a political thing. That’s just being who you are in 2018 in this country.”

Torre added, “It’s not going to happen every day, with a ‘break glass in case of human dignity violation.’” Torre and Jones are confident they can figure out which stories work on High Noon. Last week, they rejected a segment about the booing of Rudy Giuliani at Yankee Stadium because they felt the discussion would be one-note. They talked about a video of a monkey drop-kicking a man in India instead.

Torre said he’s most bothered by people who cast every socially conscious person at ESPN as a member of a single, undifferentiated, liberal bloc. “That’s the thing that actually does rankle me—somehow I am Jemele [Hill],” he said. “For many reasons that Jemele should want, I am not her. We’ve all been flattened into teams.”

I asked Jones whether he cares about the flak he takes on Twitter. He said what annoyed him was people who knew what kind of person he is, but caricatured him “to try to curry favor with their audiences because they believe that their audiences dislike the opinionated black dude.”

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I've seen bits and pieces of the who
big fans of both

but even when I am off of work I am not in front of the tv at noon.
seems like they are in a position to fly under the radar because you have the morning shows & the afternoon shows...but who is appointment tv the noon show?
 

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I've seen bits and pieces of the who
big fans of both

but even when I am off of work I am not in front of the tv at noon.
seems like they are in a position to fly under the radar because you have the morning shows & the afternoon shows...but who is appointment tv the noon show?

I only saw it LIVE once

but it might be about the BEST hour on ESPN right now.
 

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IMO, I think they’ve found a nice groove. Still trying to dig out how it’s doing in the ratings but they already feel they’ve been at this for a while.

Bomani already has the cadence back that he had on the radio where he goes off script and cracks jokes then laughs so hard he can’t get to the next cue.
 

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I've seen bits and pieces of the who
big fans of both

but even when I am off of work I am not in front of the tv at noon.
seems like they are in a position to fly under the radar because you have the morning shows & the afternoon shows...but who is appointment tv the noon show?

I can't watch it live but I really like it, this and PTI?

I'm good

my baby Cari on Sportsnation...I TRY to watch when I can.

Still miss Jemele and Mike
 

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https://www.bgol.us/forum/threads/t...-to-debut-september-11.1013949/#post-19230319

New ESPN Weekday Afternoon Lineup To Debut September 11
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By Josh Krulewitz @jksports

Posted on August 9, 2018

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https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-...ekday-afternoon-lineup-to-debut-september-11/

Hour-long SportsCenter Added at Noon ET; HIGH NOON Moves to 4 p.m.

Beginning September 11, ESPN will showcase a new afternoon programming schedule designed to enhance and evolve the total-day presentation. The changes will include the addition of a live SportsCenter from noon to 1 p.m. ET and HIGH NOON shifting to a 30-minute format at 4 p.m. As a result of the modifications, the last edition of SportsNation (which previously aired at 4 p.m.) will be Friday, Aug. 24.

ESPN host Cari Champion will return to SportsCenter, co-anchoring the noon ET “Coast to Coast” edition from Los Angeles, along with Bristol, Conn.-based anchor David Lloyd. LZ Granderson, who worked on SportsNation with Champion, will continue to co-host a weekday radio program for ESPNLA 710 and contribute to other ESPN shows.

HIGH NOON, presented from ESPN’s New York Seaport District Studios, features commentary from co-hosts Bomani Jones and Pablo Torre.

Specifically during the football season, ESPN’s Monday schedule will include an expanded 90-minute SportsCenter leading into additional NFL-focused studio shows and commentary programs.

“We really like what we have with Bomani, Pablo, and HIGH NOON,” said Norby Williamson, ESPN Executive Vice President, Production and Executive Editor. “This move will provide a better time slot for HIGH NOON, grouping shows of similar genre in a strong, two-hour block.

“Additionally, SportsCenter is healthy and thriving. We are excited to return this successful franchise into the noon window.”

Burke Magnus, ESPN Executive Vice President, Programming and Scheduling, added, “Our research suggests that from a total day perspective, these changes will best serve sports fans and optimize the ESPN schedule.”

Regarding SportsNation, Williamson shared, “SportsNation has been a staple of our afternoon lineup for years and while we felt it was time for a change, the collection of talented, creative people and content associated with that show has been extremely impressive and groundbreaking in many ways.”

While some of the changes will take place in pockets prior to September 11, due to various live event commitments, the full new weekday schedule won’t debut until September 11.

The ESPN weekday schedule (as of September 11) follows:

Time (ET) Show
Noon-1 p.m. SportsCenter: Coast to Coast
1-1:30 p.m. Outside the Lines
1:30-3 p.m. NFL Live
3-4 p.m. The Jump
4-4:30 p.m. HIGH NOON
4:30-5 p.m. Highly Questionable
5-5:30 p.m. Around the Horn
5:30-6 p.m. PTI
6-7 p.m. SportsCenter


During football season only, the typical Monday ESPN schedule will be:

Time (ET) Show
Noon-1:30 p.m. SportsCenter
1:30-2:30 p.m. NFL Primetime
2:30-4 p.m. NFL Live
4-4:30 p.m. HIGH NOON
4:30-5 p.m. Highly Questionable
5-5:30 p.m. Around the Horn
5:30-6 p.m. PTI
6-8 p.m. Monday Night Countdown

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:lol: @ Bomani's reaction to "masculinity litigated through art"

They are a really good pair, in the conversation for best duo in sports media.

Infinitely smarter than First Take and Undisputed.
 

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It’s a Monday afternoon in New York City, and ESPN’s High Noon is about to tape at the worldwide leader’s swanky Seaport District Studios. Into the studio walks one of the two men whose names appear on the marquee.

Bomani Jones strides confidently, says hello to the small group (of which I am one) on hand to watch, and the production crew. He takes his seat on the set and scrolls through his phone nonchalantly as he awaits his co-host.

Pablo Torre emerges a few moments later, with a noticeable pep in his step and enthusiastically says hello and gets right to his seat. A few minutes later he tells us, “feel free to laugh if anything is funny.”

Jones quipped, “he means laugh at his jokes.”

That’s the dynamic of these two friends, that for over a year (the show debuted June 4th 2018) have led one of the most talked about ESPN studio shows in recent memory.

When the show debuted, it was a tense time for the company. The “stick to sports” mantra was trumpeted by ESPN’s harshest critics. You know, those right-wing bloggers that said the company had become too consumed with “politics.”

SC6, the re-imagined SportsCenter starring Jemele Hill and Michael Smith, had ended earlier that year (March 2018) amid a belief by some that too much air time was spent on protesting NFL players and not enough on the actual games on the field.

A studio show with Jones and Torre as the headliners was just what those critics needed to continue their misguided outrage.

Before the show aired it was being labeled.

Will it be the “smart” show? The “woke show”? Or the “non-sports sports show”?

In an interview with The Ringer, High Noon’s coordinating producer Matt Kelliher joked the show should be called Bomani and Pablo Talk Down to You.

To be fair, Jones and Torre are smart. But not because they have degrees from prestigious schools.

There is a level of intuitiveness and understanding both men possess that make them who they are, which in turn makes High Noon what it is.

Put plainly, they get it.

They are able to convey information and opinions about sports in a style that is their own, but in a way that any audience can receive it.

That’s the most important component to making good television, and make no mistake, that’s what Jones and Torre want to do first and foremost.

“It doesn’t matter if you can talk about sports in ways other people can’t, if the people that are listening can’t hear it. You know?” Jones told BET. “Relaying this stuff to the audience is of far greater importance than whatever idea of difference you have about yourself.”

Following the taping of the show we retreat to one of the offices inside the ESPN building and talk about their experiences as television show hosts: What it means to have minority representation in media. And what the future of the media business could end up being, if we’re not careful.

  1. You’ve said before that the win for you was just getting a TV show. But now that you’ve done that and it’s been going on for more than a year. Is the show going in a direction you thought it was going to go? What are your aspirations vis à vis we are different and we want to put something different out there?



    Jones: “Well for me going forward, you just try to make the best show that you can. Is it going the way we thought it would? Probably not. In large part because we started off doing a one hour show at noon and it moved on to being a half hour taped show at 4 o’clock. There’s a lot of differences you are going to have in terms of how a show is built and structured and the audience it has to serve and all of those things. So we definitely have to go about it differently than we initially had planned.

    But the game at this point is to make the show better. At every point you are just trying to make this into as good of a show as it can be. And I don’t know if there will ever be a point, in terms of how I’m wired, where I’m like ‘yeah that’s good enough.’ That’s probably not going to be it.”

    Torre: “Yeah, I agree with the whole we are constantly trying to be better and evolve. But I will say, something that I’ve hoped for and has been delivered is the reality that we are saying things and having conversations that I don’t hear on television period. Let alone on sports television. I’m deeply proud of that dynamic that we have where we tackle subjects that I just don’t hear otherwise.”

    It is their perspectives on issues around race and the societal impact of sports that both men handle with aplomb that sets them apart from others. There is a way they think and react to the game within the game, and what is at the core of many sports stories.

    There is obviously a perspective they share as members of an “other” or racialized minority. But for Jones and Torre it’s more than that. Their brains seem predisposed or conditioned to parse through clutter and noise and get to the elements that allow for an elevated discussion.

    “It’s both of our brains colliding as you saw today, and producing stuff that tends to be at it’s best, when it’s spontaneous and really energized,” Torre said. “That’s been the great gift for me, is that we get to do that. So it’s not having theTVt on mute and saying ‘look what they’re doing, look at what they look like.’ It’s, these guys are saying stuff that other people aren’t saying.”

    Still, two men of color leading a show on linear television is not common and something they are aware of.

    It’s been more than a year doing High Noon. What has that meant to you guys, in terms of being minorities having your own show and how it has been received?

    Jones: “I don’t know if I’ve really thought of it so much in that particular context. I suppose there are certain representation issues, and this is a show that looks a little different than most shows you’re going to see on television. But the biggest reason we got this show, at least I’d like to think so, is we’re pretty good at what we’re doing. So that for me has always been the primary thing. Is that for a long grind of trying to figure this out, to even be in a position to do this at all. There are but so many slots for anybody to do this, regardless of other circumstances.There aren’t many people with two feet that have something like this.”

    Torre: “I will say for me it’s all kind of novel. This is my first, five day a week co-hosting job and I get told a lot, and I feel it a lot that it means something for me to be an Asian dude. To be an Asian anything because that doesn’t really exist in many of these five day a week slots. So I have been enjoying what that is because that is something I have not felt acutely until now. When you realize ‘oh shit yeah’, that’s kind of different.”

    You said it’s more important that we have a show more so than the minority led element. But, there aren’t many people that look like us and have their own show with their names on the marquee. Sports that are mostly dominated by people of color, have an overwhelming majority of White people who are the authors of their history. Is it important to have people who look like the athletes talking about it?

    Jones: “Oh yeah. One thing about this industry, is that there are plenty of Black men who are in it. Overwhelmingly they are former players, so basically what you wind up with is those guys come on because they have an experience that is very particular. But then it becomes we can just find some White dude to talk about this other stuff. That’s what seems to be conveyed in that message.

    But it is necessary, generally, to have a broad range of insights on these matters because all of us in our personal experiences will give us insight that allow us to see things differently than perhaps the next person can. So, there’s going to be a lot of topics where in part because of my background, I’ll have insight on.

    But another reason why I’ve got the insight on those things is because I put in a lot of work to know and understand what those things are. So, it is not simply to me about the value of having somebody that looks like me or has the experiences there it’s having the insight that is particular to the experiences of those people. It just so happens that you are more likely to have that, if you’re a member of that group, because in all likelihood that is what has moved you to pay more attention to the matters that are there.”

    Torre: “It’s also crucial to have credibility in the world of sports. Bomani has a long resumé that goes beyond sports. But he also knows sports history as much as any human being that I have ever met. He was a columnist on ESPN’s Page 2, in the era of David Halberstam and Ralph Wiley. I come from Sports Illustrated where I learned magazines and was a reporter. For us, it’s as much about having the credibility and the resumé and then synthesizing that through the particular perspectives that we have, and that’s why you land on a show that actually is doing stuff that may feel kind of new and different.”



  2. In discussing the importance of representation in sports media, Jones look back at what has historically been the paradigm within sports talk radio.

    “It becomes important to have Black people in these spaces because what we don’t want is what the history of sports talk radio has basically been, which is White dudes complaining about Black dudes on the radio, right? If you listen to who the hosts are, and it trickles down to who the callers are and it becomes this circular thing, and this same set of people are hammering this other group of people. That brings out the worst very often in the people that are doing it. It is very important to have people who have more in common with the athletes there because otherwise this could turn into something we don’t want it to be.”

    There is an allure to sports that is hard to resist. For most people, the chances of playing professional sports is infinitesimal. If you are a person of color the chances of becoming a member of the sports media, while not as small, aren’t that great either.

    The push by heads of media platforms to produce more and more quantitative based sports content is on the rise. You see it in the way, football, basketball and baseball are covered. Not having a quantitative background could be a huge barrier for people of color.

    Black and Latino students are less likely to pass Algebra I and less likely to attend schools that offer advanced math classes than their White and Asian peers according to data.

    If math isn’t going so well for you in middle school and high school, what are the chances you decide to pursue an undergraduate degree in a math related field?

    “The problem that is at play there is not one that the [media] industry is equipped to fix. The industry can help in some ways. But the industry can’t change the fact that education in this country by and large has discouraged non-White males, with the obvious glaring exception of Asians. Everybody else is being discouraged from engaging in mathematical type of stuff,” said Jones.

    “I do worry about a wall of access being denied because of the quantitative stuff. But the quantitative stuff is symptom. The disease...if it ain’t that, it’s going to be something else.”

    “But there’s a wrinkle to the quantitative stuff,” Torre retorted. “So one irony I think, and one correction. I don’t think anyone is encouraging Asians to get into math outside of their own families.”

    “Yes, just nobody’s keeping them out!” Jones remarked.

    The cameras have long been turned off and we’ve been talking for almost 30 minutes. That’s the kind of authentic banter both men would engage in if they were having brunch on a Sunday, or while watching a game, or on the set of their show.

    “As much as I agree with the broad strokes. Something that is true about the quantitative analytics thing, is that it enables certain people who also never had access to this stuff. That’s the other side of the coin,” Torre said. “There is a disease here. But I think it’s also important to note there is complexity within said disease, in terms of the trickle down to all the people who may or may not be getting jobs in general.”

    Jones and Torre took different paths to arrive at the same destination. No one path better or easier to navigate than the other. But they know what they’ve done is largely not replicable.

    However, acquiring the knowledge and having the diligence to go beyond the surface can give you the opportunity to make it in this business.

    “Learn how to write and report as a basic skill set,” said Torre. “Develop taste. Know what you like and why you like it. Know what the person you like is doing, so that you can break it down structurally.”

    “Knowing what you’re talking about matters more than anything else,” Jones said. “They’re tuning in to find out about sports. If they think you’re opinions about sports are compelling, you got a chance to stick around. If you don’t know the sports, you have no chance.”
 

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“I will say for me it’s all kind of novel. This is my first, five day a week co-hosting job and I get told a lot, and I feel it a lot that it means something for me to be an Asian dude. To be an Asian anything because that doesn’t really exist in many of these five day a week slots. So I have been enjoying what that is because that is something I have not felt acutely until now. When you realize ‘oh shit yeah’, that’s kind of different.”

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