The Godfather EPIC
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Its one of my favorite flicks. Especially the uncut version.
The part about the body guard who placed the bomb in Michael's car, killing his Bride in Italy. The way it traces him to America. He is now running a bakery. But eventually gets hollerd at for his treacherous actions.
The part where Michael volunteers to kill McCluskey and Silatso is epic. Not the actual murder. But the conversation where he suggests it. Everyone is initially against it but quickly come around. You saw Micheal transform into the GODFATHER, in that scene.
Oh, yeah and part when Kay is at the crib after the divorce, visiting the kids. Micheal comes home and Kay is trying to rush out and is caught at the doorway. She attempts to say something and Michael just slams the door in her face like "BITCH YOU BET NOT!"
Its one of my favorite flicks. Especially the uncut version.
The part about the body guard who placed the bomb in Michael's car, killing his Bride in Italy. The way it traces him to America. He is now running a bakery. But eventually gets hollerd at for his treacherous actions.
The part where Michael volunteers to kill McCluskey and Silatso is epic. Not the actual murder. But the conversation where he suggests it. Everyone is initially against it but quickly come around. You saw Micheal transform into the GODFATHER, in that scene.
Oh, yeah and part when Kay is at the crib after the divorce, visiting the kids. Micheal comes home and Kay is trying to rush out and is caught at the doorway. She attempts to say something and Michael just slams the door in her face like "BITCH YOU BET NOT!"
Dude! Shit has me gripped right now. Seven muhfuggin hours!
The Fabrizio scene. I remember seeing it in the eighties when they played it on television. Back in those days in order to fit it into a television time slot very would add some of the deleted scenes to make it fit the time and I saw Fabrizio get taken out.
And you are exactly right. The scene where Michael said that he would kill both the Turk and McCluskey... That was boss. His eyes turned and everyone knew at that moment who he was.
One of my other favorite scenes was after he was struck by the Thunderbolt and he and the two guys spoke to an old man who became angry because he realized they were talking about his daughter. The Godfather and him became evident there as well. I might go watch that tonight
Speak on it. I don't remember this. Oh, is that because they thought that he was in on it when they found out Paulie was involved. That's why they used Tessio's men to guard the compound.
I tell you what, one of the best games I've ever played was The Godfather game on PlayStation 2 it was a direct recounting of the movie. It was damn good and spot on, and they used many of the voices including Marlon Brando before he passed
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The scene with Vito & Mike is in the old LincolnHospital in the Bx.
This scene is playing right now as I had to turn from the fucking Thunder giving the game away @ home.
The scene with Vito & Mike is in the old LincolnHospital in the Bx.
Reading all your replies you seem to be in the minority. Most of the so called film critics say the two movies cut like this loses much of what made the Godfather movies great because its played in chronological order and it lacks the entertainment of seeing the young Vito and Michaels correlation to rise to the Godfather at the same time. For me personally I enjoyed this cut. It was like seeing something familiar but new at the same time. But that 7 hr run time fucked my Saturday up
So just for a quick recap. Why was Roth trying to take out Mike so early in the Godfather 2? Was it because of Moe Green? Did Roth ever show signs of trying to double cross Vito before he tried killing Mike? Did Clemenza really not trust Roth from way back like Frankie said?
Ima check this out. Ive never seen the god father movies as an adult. I remember my parents rented it as a kid. But I dont remember shit from none of the movies. Back then long ass movies made a brotha fall asleep.
NO! Do no not watch The Godfather Epic first. You've got to see it in it's original form - unless they're saying The Epic now replaces the original release officially. Then check the book then check The Epic. The book is incredble.
I agree. Got build your endurance up first and go into training with the regular movie. The book? I sheepishly admit to not having gotten there yet myself.
alright. Im probably going have to order Part 1 and 2 somewhere. Ill check out The Godfather epic later.
Great questions. I'm still trying to figure out stuff from One. That's what makes this movie the GOAT.
I hate when I ask young people what's the best movie ever made and they come back with some Coming to America bullshit or something.
The only place the movie fucked up in my opinion is not giving more shine to Luca Brasi. In the book Luca Brasi was a bad mother fucker. I'm not going to spoil it for those who have not read it, but either get the book or the audio book. If you have more than a half hour drive to work the audio book really works ( most of us don't have the time to read once we get home)
Yeah Luca Brasi gave zero fucks.
OAN, The Godfather Returns and The Godfathers Revenge are decent books also. They attempt to move the story along further. They dont hold up to the original novel, but I enjoyed them both.
There are some movies, that I watch all the time. I have them on old DVD/blue-rays, digital downloads, whatever... shit, they come on TV and next thing I know I'm watching the TV broadcast for the whole thing. The Godfather I and II fall in into this category for me. Though the plot was a bit far fetched, III was OK. More than anything, I(and I think most Godfather fans) feel it suffered from poor execution and casting. Anyways, that's another discussion for another time.
It's cliche, but you really do pick up a new subtle detail every single time you watch these flicks.
There was some thought given to having the script play out where Michael personally executes Fabrizo after they track him down, but the idea ended up getting scrapped:
But yeah, Michael is an amazing character. We see him evolve into a cold hear-ted shrewd Don, but this evolution results in him losing the one thing he tries SO HARD to retain... his family. Vito Corleone understood that discretion is the bettor part of valor. Though we see that everything he did, was with the intention of protecting the family, in the end he alimented everyone(shit.. his paranoid bitter ass told Tom Hagen you can either ride with me or get the fuck out..TOM.. his "surrogate" brother!) and had his blood brother killed. Yeah, Fredo was a fuck up, but he was BLOOD. Perhaps he could have had him exiled, but we're not in his(Mike's) shoes.. we don't know what it feels like in our gut, to know our own blood's actions almost got us and our family killed. This is why I love these movies so much. Trying to get into the heads of all these characters, leads you in a millions different directions, on any given day.
I don't know that they were considering killing Clemenza. It was more that they knew someone had betrayed them and/or would try to make a move on the weakened family. As we saw, it ended up being Tessio. "It was the smart move. Tessio was always smarter". Even in the cut scenes back to the days of young Vito Corleone, you see that Clemenza wasn't one to want to rock the boat. He was all about staying in a lane, and under the radar.
One of the central themes that always stands out to me, is that it's truly "just business". Even when Tessio was being led off to execution, you see that is wasn't personal. Dude was like, hey.. I understand. It's the life all of these men chose. It seems that when anyone made a decision that was PERSONAL, that's when shit hit the fan.
It's cliche, but you really do pick up a new subtle detail every single time you watch these flicks.
There was some thought given to having the script play out where Michael personally executes Fabrizo after they track him down, but the idea ended up getting scrapped:
But yeah, Michael is an amazing character. We see him evolve into a cold hear-ted shrewd Don, but this evolution results in him losing the one thing he tries SO HARD to retain... his family. Vito Corleone understood that discretion is the bettor part of valor. Though we see that everything he did, was with the intention of protecting the family, in the end he alimented everyone(shit.. his paranoid bitter ass told Tom Hagen you can either ride with me or get the fuck out..TOM.. his "surrogate" brother!) and had his blood brother killed. Yeah, Fredo was a fuck up, but he was BLOOD. Perhaps he could have had him exiled, but we're not in his(Mike's) shoes.. we don't know what it feels like in our gut, to know our own blood's actions almost got us and our family killed. This is why I love these movies so much. Trying to get into the heads of all these characters, leads you in a millions different directions, on any given day.
I don't know that they were considering killing Clemenza. It was more that they knew someone had betrayed them and/or would try to make a move on the weakened family. As we saw, it ended up being Tessio. "It was the smart move. Tessio was always smarter". Even in the cut scenes back to the days of young Vito Corleone, you see that Clemenza wasn't one to want to rock the boat. He was all about staying in a lane, and under the radar.
Part of it could be because of Moe, but I feel it was really about making sure Mike was not in the picture to throw a wrench in things. Mike was not going to fall in line to anyone or anything, as the other families were. He was a potential threat to take out Roth, if Roth didn't get him first.
One of the central themes that always stands out to me, is that it's truly "just business". Even when Tessio was being led off to execution, you see that is wasn't personal. Dude was like, hey.. I understand. It's the life all of these men chose. It seems that when anyone made a decision that was PERSONAL, that's when shit hit the fan.
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This is the business we've chosenThere are some movies, that I watch all the time. I have them on old DVD/blue-rays, digital downloads, whatever... shit, they come on TV and next thing I know I'm watching the TV broadcast for the whole thing. The Godfather I and II fall in into this category for me. Though the plot was a bit far fetched, III was OK. More than anything, I(and I think most Godfather fans) feel it suffered from poor execution and casting. Anyways, that's another discussion for another time.
It's cliche, but you really do pick up a new subtle detail every single time you watch these flicks.
There was some thought given to having the script play out where Michael personally executes Fabrizo after they track him down, but the idea ended up getting scrapped:
But yeah, Michael is an amazing character. We see him evolve into a cold hear-ted shrewd Don, but this evolution results in him losing the one thing he tries SO HARD to retain... his family. Vito Corleone understood that discretion is the bettor part of valor. Though we see that everything he did, was with the intention of protecting the family, in the end he alimented everyone(shit.. his paranoid bitter ass told Tom Hagen you can either ride with me or get the fuck out..TOM.. his "surrogate" brother!) and had his blood brother killed. Yeah, Fredo was a fuck up, but he was BLOOD. Perhaps he could have had him exiled, but we're not in his(Mike's) shoes.. we don't know what it feels like in our gut, to know our own blood's actions almost got us and our family killed. This is why I love these movies so much. Trying to get into the heads of all these characters, leads you in a millions different directions, on any given day.
I don't know that they were considering killing Clemenza. It was more that they knew someone had betrayed them and/or would try to make a move on the weakened family. As we saw, it ended up being Tessio. "It was the smart move. Tessio was always smarter". Even in the cut scenes back to the days of young Vito Corleone, you see that Clemenza wasn't one to want to rock the boat. He was all about staying in a lane, and under the radar.
Part of it could be because of Moe, but I feel it was really about making sure Mike was not in the picture to throw a wrench in things. Mike was not going to fall in line to anyone or anything, as the other families were. He was a potential threat to take out Roth, if Roth didn't get him first.
One of the central themes that always stand out to me, is that it's truly "just business". Even when Tessio was being led off to execution, you see that is wasn't personal. Dude was like, hey.. I understand. It's the life all of these men chose. It seems that when anyone made a decision that was PERSONAL, that's when shit hit the fan.
There are some movies, that I watch all the time. I have them on old DVD/blue-rays, digital downloads, whatever... shit, they come on TV and next thing I know I'm watching the TV broadcast for the whole thing. The Godfather I and II fall in into this category for me. Though the plot was a bit far fetched, III was OK. More than anything, I(and I think most Godfather fans) feel it suffered from poor execution and casting. Anyways, that's another discussion for another time.
It's cliche, but you really do pick up a new subtle detail every single time you watch these flicks.
There was some thought given to having the script play out where Michael personally executes Fabrizo after they track him down, but the idea ended up getting scrapped:
But yeah, Michael is an amazing character. We see him evolve into a cold hear-ted shrewd Don, but this evolution results in him losing the one thing he tries SO HARD to retain... his family. Vito Corleone understood that discretion is the bettor part of valor. Though we see that everything he did, was with the intention of protecting the family, in the end he alimented everyone(shit.. his paranoid bitter ass told Tom Hagen you can either ride with me or get the fuck out..TOM.. his "surrogate" brother!) and had his blood brother killed. Yeah, Fredo was a fuck up, but he was BLOOD. Perhaps he could have had him exiled, but we're not in his(Mike's) shoes.. we don't know what it feels like in our gut, to know our own blood's actions almost got us and our family killed. This is why I love these movies so much. Trying to get into the heads of all these characters, leads you in a millions different directions, on any given day.
I don't know that they were considering killing Clemenza. It was more that they knew someone had betrayed them and/or would try to make a move on the weakened family. As we saw, it ended up being Tessio. "It was the smart move. Tessio was always smarter". Even in the cut scenes back to the days of young Vito Corleone, you see that Clemenza wasn't one to want to rock the boat. He was all about staying in a lane, and under the radar.
Part of it could be because of Moe, but I feel it was really about making sure Mike was not in the picture to throw a wrench in things. Mike was not going to fall in line to anyone or anything, as the other families were. He was a potential threat to take out Roth, if Roth didn't get him first.
One of the central themes that always stand out to me, is that it's truly "just business". Even when Tessio was being led off to execution, you see that is wasn't personal. Dude was like, hey.. I understand. It's the life all of these men chose. It seems that when anyone made a decision that was PERSONAL, that's when shit hit the fan.
Explained expertly!
I picked up the Godfather Returns at my library for $1 a year ago, never got around to reading it. Is it really that good?
Loved the original book much more than the first film.
Another decent book was Omerta.
Those were the books written by the other guy not Mario Puzo correct? I'll pass if that's the case
Yes, I've heard Luca Brasi described as being almost demonic like. In the movie they even said they wouldn't be able to call Luca Brasi off of getting revenge for Vito's almost getting killed.
peace
Damn
Seen this shit so many times as its been passed down from generation to the next in my fam so I need some endurance or while I'm in the appropriate mood to thug through this shit for 6+hrs especially ending up with that SophiaCopolla shit just to catch those edited scenes.
I tried keeping up while doing something else, listening out for something different, but dozed off somewhere in down the line into the middle of the morn.
I'll try again or just d/l the whole thing.
Damn
Seen this shit so many times as its been passed down from generation to the next in my fam so I need some endurance or while I'm in the appropriate mood to thug through this shit for 6+hrs especially ending up with that SophiaCopolla shit just to catch those edited scenes.
I tried keeping up while doing something else, listening out for something different, but dozed off somewhere in down the line into the middle of the morn.
I'll try again or just d/l the whole thing.
I loved Omerta. The Sturtzo brothers, Rosie, the play...dope. The way the Don played it was smooth. Loved it - the audio book is abridged. Don't bother.
From the first to the third movie you see a story thats drenched in tradition and custom. But we see from GF 1 to GF 2 that Michael..while a smart tactician and ruthless is NOT like his father in terms of respect and grandeur.
In the opening of The Godfather we see the wedding of his daughter Connie and all the regalia that goes with it. Everyone is acting respectful and proper and no one dares to do anything to spoil this occasion for the Don.
The Godfather II opens on a party for Michael's son's first communion. Its as formal and traditional looking as the first one but there are cracks in the facade. First, Connie shows up and asks Michael for money in the most disrespectful way. The Senator who gives a speech at the party mispronounces the name Corleone, the band doesn't know ANY traditional Italian tunes, Michael is threatened and extorted by the same Senator who then sarcastically pronounces his name correctly. Fredos wife embarrasses him and the family at the grand dinner that night.
In the Godfather III we open on the reception after Michael receives a commendation from the Pope. Again we see the grand formality of the party and everyone is reveling in the fun but this time the fun is interrupted by the arrival of a clearly hated figure joey zsa zsa. And at the meeting behind closed doors a fight breaks out between vincent mancini (sonnys bastard child with his mistress from the first flick who CRASHED the party) and zsa zsa.
Could you imagine ANY of that shit happening if Don Vito were alive?? HELL NO. Such was the command of respect the old Don had. Its great that Coppola somewhat subtly slipped that in so that you FELT the change more or less.
In the opening of The Godfather we see the wedding of his daughter Connie and all the regalia that goes with it. Everyone is acting respectful and proper and no one dares to do anything to spoil this occasion for the Don.
The Godfather II opens on a party for Michael's son's first communion. Its as formal and traditional looking as the first one but there are cracks in the facade. First, Connie shows up and asks Michael for money in the most disrespectful way. The Senator who gives a speech at the party mispronounces the name Corleone, the band doesn't know ANY traditional Italian tunes, Michael is threatened and extorted by the same Senator who then sarcastically pronounces his name correctly. Fredos wife embarrasses him and the family at the grand dinner that night.
In the Godfather III we open on the reception after Michael receives a commendation from the Pope. Again we see the grand formality of the party and everyone is reveling in the fun but this time the fun is interrupted by the arrival of a clearly hated figure joey zsa zsa. And at the meeting behind closed doors a fight breaks out between vincent mancini (sonnys bastard child with his mistress from the first flick who CRASHED the party) and zsa zsa.
Could you imagine ANY of that shit happening if Don Vito were alive?? HELL NO. Such was the command of respect the old Don had. Its great that Coppola somewhat subtly slipped that in so that you FELT the change more or less.
I enjoyed them. You have to suspend disbelief a little bit and just accept it for what it is (his version of how the story continues). Tom and Michael's relationship is fleshed out a bit more, for instance. There are also a few new characters introduced, some of which are loosely based on real life individuals. They worked for me, but may not be for everybody.
Yeah, dude named Mark Winegardner
Man do true Godfather fans really tie the 3rd one into the story of the 1 and 2? Maybe I'm a minority here but the Godfather 3 sucked.
Thanks for the heads up. Recording now.