The Godfather EPIC
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I haven't had the nerve to watch it yet because of the bad reviews I've heard. I don't want it to tarnish my mind. LOL
Epic is longer because of the additional scenes.
Just 1 and 2
It's not a bad movie, just not up to the grand drama of #1 & #2. There are a couple of scenes that are spectacular but on the whole, t's just, okay. I've watched #3 once but #1 & #2 countless times.
Coppola's daughter straight destroyed that movie. Her acting was terrible and stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the cast.
Her presence brought down every scene she was in and fucked up the pacing of the film. It woulda been a legitimate (not classic) sequel w/ Winona Ryder as originally planned.
well GF3 was unnecessary because 1 and 2 said everything..so there really wasn't much else to do or tell.
Sophia Coppola didn't destroy that flick...even winona ryder couldn't have saved it.
1. not getting robert duvall back as tom hagen was huge blow to the chemisty of the original cast.
2. the immobiliare/pope storyline was convoluted and uninteresting.
3. vincent mancini was only kinda compelling as sonny's bastard kid coming on the scene.
As a whole the 3rd GF story doesn't really advance the corleone saga much at all. The Godfather was about the changing of the guard in the crime family from father to son while trying to balance life between personal family and crime family.
Godfather II showed us the origins of the Corleones and how they became a criminal organization and Michaels efforts to extract himself from it while simultaneously trying to keep it intact at the same time trying to maintain his personal family and failing on many fronts.
Godfather III doesn't really do much of anything but go over old territory with some new faces. Michael is still the head of the crime family and his personal family is fractured. Nothing happens that changes those things any real way.
Well thats juts my opinion..you and others see better things in it than I did..so yeah if youre into the GF saga you should give 3 a chance.
BS. But to each his own. She was a goddamn train wreck. Note. I never said it was on par with the originals, only potentially legitimate...like the Wall St. sequel.
Immobiliare was just a natural extension of a family that has acquired massive wealth and controlled politics for generations. No different than Mike's rendezvous with Roth and the other bigwigs in Cuba.
How could a seasoned, legendary filmmaker produce such a flop?....I'll tell you how. Trying to promote FAMILY! It's happened before with the best.
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Coppola's casting Sofia in "Godfather III," an action that earned him widespread ridicule, occurred only because Winona Ryder dropped out of the part due to illness. And he hadn't wanted to cast Shire as Connie, thinking she was too pretty to play a mob kingpin's daughter, a woman who seemed to attract opportunists less interested in her as a woman than as a member of a wealthy and powerful family. But Shire wanted the part, and producer Robert Evans liked her, so she got the part.
http://www.moviefone.com/2012/03/22/the-godfather-francis-ford-coppola-family/
But that doesn't matter in any case since females in the Godfather movies aren't so much pivotal characters with meaty parts. Theyre either love interests or victims of abuse or violence.
GF1
Connie is beaten by her husband
Lucy Mancini is Sonny's side chick
Appolonia is killed in a car bomb
Mama Corleone is a silent matriarch
Kay is love interest to Michael
GF2
Connie is jumping from man to man
A hooker is murdered to set up a congressman
Kay aborts Michael's child and gets the shit slapped out of her for it
(I think he accidentally slapped her for real because she keeps her arm up blocking the camera for a second as if to try to recover quick to continue the scene. )
GF3
Connie becomes a stern bitch
Lucy Mancini has Sonny's kid but is still a side chick who plays no role part 3
Vincent uses a female reporter he was fucking as bait to set up 2 hit men sent to kill him
Mary, Michaels daughter, is a love interest for Vincent
Mary gets killed.
The women in the Godfather world play no roles of consequence in the movies. To say that Winona Ryder in the role of Mary would have made the film better is just pure speculation based on Ryder's popularity at the time. Unless theres some draft of the script where Mary was supposed to take over the family in some Machiavellian way like Michael did in the first film and the role was reduced when Ryder dropped out thus changing the course of the film in its entirety then a case could be made that Ryder dropping out altered what could have been possibly a great story..if Winona was suppose to play the role the same way Sophia did then it would have made no difference to the rest of the film.
IMO the immobilaire plot was more dense than the cuban casino plot.
Last time I watched this was around 1993-94
Now re watching it....2020
Now re watching it....2020
I'ma watch as soon as it's available via streaming services. Hopefully in FeauxK.
QUESTION: How would the Godfather saga be affected if Michael's first wife Apollonia wasn't killed???
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Yall better not answer this here and write a real outline instead.
QUESTION: How would the Godfather saga be affected if Michael's first wife Apollonia wasn't killed???
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It would be a crazy insane flip for her to have been secretly alive this entire time unknown to anyone.
That's a novel right there.
Best seller.
as a grotesque burn victim??? she was blown up in the 60s early 70s??
I ain't giving it up
this is a really good idea and writing exercise especially as sample of work
I agree, if I have time I'm going to try and flesh it out.
And if you research right?
There is a pocket you could fit her survival in quite nice
And it could make sense a couple different ways to say how and who exactly got involved in the cover up.
I remember there was a writer who wanted to try to save Sonny.
This actually makes way more sense
okay she survives the explosion....but what does she DO?? how would that change anything??
I toyed with the idea that the carbomb was a dud and shes not injured so Mike brings her back to the states. What does he say to Kate..remember that she was his SO before he went into exile....now he comes back WITH A WIFE?!?!?!! Apollonia would be wifely in the vein of his mother Mama Corleone but where Vito and his wife were both immigrants... Michael is urban American citizen while Apollonia is very much old world Sicilian steeped in the ways of the Camorra old world mobsters who are considered savages by their American counterparts. So she may be tough and resourceful in ways Michael never thought she'd be.
The trick is in the novel if I remember right the family knows and uses that to get Kaye to back off Michael
But in the movies I don't think they do. So Kaye never knows.
So you got options.
Nah you going about it all wrong.
I'll say this.
It plays into the duality of Michael with Kay representating one aspect of the character and Appollonia the other which would set up that internal battle for Michael (in the 1st movie) which I think would really play out better in the 2nd movie between both women and Michael who is simultaneously fighting to go legit and return/stay true to who he was (with each woman being a physical manifestation of each version of him.)
elaborate please...
elaborate please...
Nah this is all you.
I'll just sit back and enjoy. I'm curious how you are going to mcguyver your way out this puzzle you've presented.
what puzzle?? I'm not aware I'm boxed in anything...in any case outlaw just gave a great side story to it for the saga,...the two women expressing different sides of Michael while simultaneously fighting for his love. I love it!
so kay is a side chick? a gommar??
Nah, not necessarily.
I think both could be main chicks who play different roles.
When you think of the time this takes place and his being married out of the country it could easily be explained that the first marriage isn't legitimate in the states.
Kay wouldn't go for thr side chick role but has to respect that he doesn't involve her in or discuss business with her.
His relationship with Appollonia would be more about the family business, tradition, alliances, etc.
This wouldn't be him on some player shit and would primarily transpire over the course if the second movie.
Essentially for most of the movie Michael utilizes the woman in the same way he does others in the Corleone family which is as chess pieces.
She would be around Mondee, Tuesdee, Wensdee...
QUESTION: How would the Godfather saga be affected if Michael's first wife Apollonia wasn't killed???
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“Till Death Do Us Part”: Michael’s Marriage to Apollonia and the “Corleone” Way
When Michael marries Apollonia, he is wedding himself not just to her, but to Sicily and his father’s values. He is also rejecting Kay and the American way: due to the chain of events prompted by the attempt on his father’s life, Michael is on the road to becoming the new Don, and he will need support from a suitable wife. Though the love between Michael and Apollonia is portrayed as gentle, patient, and true, Apollonia is certainly attractive to a future mafioso not just for her kindness and beauty, but for her subservience. Where Kay is white, nosy, and modern, Apollonia is Italian, submissive, and traditional.
Michael’s pre-Sicily relationship with Kay spoke to his rebellion against the “family business,” and when he trades Kay in for a more obedient model, Michael is no longer rebelling against, but rather fully embracing, his father’s lifestyle. He takes part in an Old-World style wedding, far more traditional than Connie’s, to shed the vestiges of his American ways and become a true Sicilian. By marrying Apollonia, Michael accepts the Corleone name, and everything that comes with it.
“Till Death Do Us Part”: Michael’s Marriage to Apollonia and the “Corleone” Way
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From Qoura
How would things be different if Apollonia was alive when Michael Corleone returned to New York?
He still would have become the Don of the family. He'd retain the same character he had before he left, and would not have become a hardened person since Apollonia is still alive. We never see Kay again, as he probably wouldn't think to visit her. He begins his family with Apollonia, and gets trained by Vito to learn the ropes of the trade.
His life in Godfather 2 and 3 becomes easier. No abortion, no arguments about whether the family is going legit, as Apollonia wouldn't mind keeping things status quo and would give him her undying love and support, which in turn helps his mindset. He ultimately becomes a better father and husband. I doubt he would kill Fredo, he could settle that another way. Godfather 2 doesn't end with him sitting alone in thought, but surrounded by his wife and kids in a joyful occasion.
Godfather 3 does not focus on his 'redemption' and pretentious ex Kate, but him comfortably retiring with Apollonia at his side while he watches either his son or Vincent take the throne. He dies in his lovely home and not alone. The story of a happy gangster. Someone should write a fanfiction about all this.
In the movie, The Godfather, what would happen if Apollonia was never killed and was with Michael in New York?
Michael would never have to talk to her about going legitimate with the business. He would not have to make that promise because Apollonia digs that about him. She and her family seem to like that he’s a boss and a strong, powerful man.
He would have a lot of kids. Maybe five or six. Likely all quite beautiful.
Apollonia would have a big allowance. LIke bottomless. Fun because she can shop all she wants and never worry about material things, unless she gets spoiled.
She would make the family big dinners. Mama Corleone would be very satisfied to have her as a daughter-in-law, and so would Vito. She is of their cultural background.
She would fit so neatly into the Corleone family. Her relatives might eventually begin to settle in America maybe. Big big family.
Now when Michael is nearly assassinated, and the family is in the living room together for safety with the children, Michael would look at her in this alternate universe just as he did with Kay. To measure her temperament. Kay shot him a hateful glare as if to say, “This is all your fault, you satan.” Apollonia would probably look to him for safety and assurance and he would respond to that and give her what she needed to make her feel safe again (basically, she accepted him for who and what he was.) Kay accepted him as her husband, but denied who and what he was in the world. She wanted to change him (good luck with that.) She was was done with Michael at that point. The assassination attempt broke their marriage. Clearly. He knew it and that is why he never could help resolve the tension between them.
I believe he might have been more even tempered living a life with Apollonia. He would still have a family to support him and depend on him. When he lost that, he became bitter and tried too hard to hold on to everything after that.
Apollonia’s death was also a major factor that caused him to be cold and businesslike with everything. If she had not died, he would be a different person. Heck, even Connie might never have hated him. He might have been more helpful with Fredo