** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **
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I may have to watch it again, but, I'm pretty sure they don't say anything. I think they just acknowledge each others presence.
Changing of the guards.
they dont say anything to each other. Marlo whispers something to the guy sitting next to him. He and Avon never speak during the sentencing.
Great Catch!
Avon mouths "Marlo?" and Marlo nods at him. Then Avon turns around, defeated.
I've watched the wire many times, I'm actually going through my third go round and I'm up to season 4. Each time you notice something different. The first rewatch I noticed that season 2 wasn't as much of a dropoff as I initially felt, in fact it was very good. This time around I find Avon to be a much more interesting character than Steiger, and I sympathized with him much more than stringer also.
The only thing stringer was right about was tryingto stop beefing and be diplomatic. But even that he was Partially wrong about. If Avon listened to stringer a guy like Marlo would have kept coming until he got killed.
I've watched the wire many times, I'm actually going through my third go round and I'm up to season 4. Each time you notice something different. The first rewatch I noticed that season 2 wasn't as much of a dropoff as I initially felt, in fact it was very good. This time around I find Avon to be a much more interesting character than Steiger, and I sympathized with him much more than stringer also.
The only thing stringer was right about was tryingto stop beefing and be diplomatic. But even that he was Partially wrong about. If Avon listened to stringer a guy like Marlo would have kept coming until he got killed.
He said "Marlo?" and Marlo gave a lil nod like "Yeah nigga".
Yeah but the Vonda wasn't the main man, the Greek was. You best believe he cared about his name.
Kats up in here trading Wire passages like Professor Crawford and Jamal....
You better know your shit or get you head taken off.
He wanted to remain unknown but he wanted his name to be known. The name is the warning. It doesn't matter whether you see the person but it does matter that you know the person/organization's reputation. That's to keep folks from fucking with you or your organization person/property.
Yeah that's because they did business around the world. Yet he still went by a name that people knew of. Without your name/reputation you have nothing to hold the barbarian at the gangs from rushing in.
Kats up in here trading Wire passages like Professor Crawford and Jamal....
You better know your shit or get you head taken off.
Man I know the Wire like the back of my hand.
What? What gangs? Who rushing the Greek? Niggas didn't even know what he looked like. Niggas barely knew where he hanged at. The only people in the WHOLE city who knew were Vondas, George Glekas, Prop Joe, and Sergei. Nobody else knew who he was. They only knew a name. You're not making any sense.
The Greek's name didn't mean shit to him. Neither did Vondas'. That was the point. While niggas worry about their name and rep, the real players worry about the money. It's all about the money.
Oh and Frank and Nick Sobotka knew what the Greek looked like.
Man, I forgot how cold Levy was. That nigga was underrated. Made millions off the back of drug dealers. Made more money selling sealed court documents to dealers. Was willing to sell out his clients (he knew Herc gave the police Marlo's cell phone number and rewarded him). And got NO time.
Man, I forgot how cold Levy was. That nigga was underrated. Made millions off the back of drug dealers. Made more money selling sealed court documents to dealers. Was willing to sell out his clients (he knew Herc gave the police Marlo's cell phone number and rewarded him). And got NO time.
You think Escobar, the Queen and any other major supplier didn't give a fuck about their names? Of course they cared about money but their names kept them getting money. You don't have to see the person in order to fear them. This is why their name/reputation is important to them on the streets and around the world. It's their brand. Don't fuck with it.
*sigh* Nigga, we talking about the Wire. Not real life. The Queen had goons in the streets. The Greek does not. The Queen could be touched. The Greek could not. Pablo Escobar worrying about his name is what got him dead. Niggas in the street didn't even know his name was the Greek. You know what they called the nigga? "The connect". That's all his name was.
He didn't have a brand. Prop Joe had a bigger rep in the streets for the good dope. When Stringer was running dry in Season 2, he didn't try and seek out the Greek. He didn't even have a name. He went to, you guessed it, Prop Joe because that was the person known in the streets for having good dope. If you name dropped the Greek on Pinsey and Gold, niggas wouldn't know who the fuck you were talking about. They would ask you if you were talkin about the greek food place. That name rang no bells.
You can't compare Pablo Escobar to the Greek. The Greek had federal protection. The Greek had his hand in other shit, drugs was like a minor slice of that niggas revenue. That's why his name didn't matter. You're being shortsighted.
Their product is what made them who they are. On the streets, fear and rep might make a difference. When you're in the rarefied air of The Greek, you strive for anonymity and to develop a few sect connects to ensure your product gets to market. Everything else will take care of itself. It's about money period. At THAT level.
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Perfect.
"You're from the streets, the streets don't concern us."
The nigga doesn't even know the name Greek, he only knows Vondas. He sitting there right by the head nigga and don't know.
"Two lines, season 2 and season 5 show a great difference of mentality the suppliers have vs the street."
This is what I was responding to. In this sentence he's translating it to real life.
Vondas is an representative of the organization (The Greek). Shit most people didn't know who Barksdale was but they knew Stringerbell the representative for the organization. Given time The Greek would have been found out too.
The greek def didnt worry about his name, this is why we never know it. He didn't care about his rep in the streets. he didnt need a rep he just wanted the money. When omar & co pulled off the heist and got them for all of their dope, the greek didn't say well that's my name out there! he said either we need to have better security or we need to fuck with someone else cause this can't happen again. just like how he fucked with prop joe, then marlo came along he said fuck it. the money is the same let's do it, vondas was apprehensive but the greek didnt care.
the greek has fbi people tipping him off of busts and shit he's worried about bmore streets? drugs is his side hustle remember they ran in women and stolen goods too.
the dope spoke for itself. they had a monopoly on the dope. they didnt care about all of that stuff. the people you're naming had competition so they had to carry something behind their name to uphold it. the greek had no competition. they were the only shop in town so no they didnt really care because you have to buy dope from them whoever it may be. the product is tested approved and always on time.
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that's where you're wrong. barksdale's entire family went hand in hand with the whole entire baltimore drug scene. his uncles his cousins his brothers and sisters ALL OF THEM grew up and in one way or another took part in the drug game. they were ALL KNOWN. the police didnt know but the streets knew. he laid low when the police were on him yes but even then he wasnt someone who if you saw on the street you wouldnt recognize him.
marlo came into the little shop that the greek and vondas hung out at, dropped off the money told someone to give a message to the greek about the money, and left while the greek was sitting right there sipping tea and he didn't even know who the greek was or how he looked like.
that was one of the major gripes d'angelo had. he felt like even if he wanted to be something else he couldnt be something else because everyone in his family expected him to be exactly what he was.
yes vondas was a representative but he didnt represent any bravado he just conducted business and went about his way. nothing more nothing less.
On the SHOW. Not in real life nigga. This thread about the Wire.
Most people didn't know Barksdale? Man did you watch the show? Barksdale was 3 generations deep in the dope game. Everyone in the streets knew who that nigga was.
Wasn't anyone finding the Greek out. He was too detatched. People thought Vondas was the boss. Try watching the show.
Not true.
Along with everything else that has been said, there is value in keeping the name of the connect a secret. For one, the streets have to come to you, i.e. Marlo; and number two, the streets have to keep you alive, because without you, no good dope.
Marlo bogarted his way to a meet with Prop Joe and Vandas. If Prop Joe had not introduced Marlo to Vandas, Prop Joe would still be alive.
Who knew the Greek and vondas? Prop Joe, Marlo, Nick, ziggy, and frank sobotka.
They were known to the people they DIRECTLY did business with. Their names didn't ring out like marlo's did. Sure they weren't completely unknown, but even then the name vondas wasn't even his real name to begin with! The Greek wasn't even Greek!
Completely different than Marlo. So my statement stands.
They were known to the people they DIRECTLY did business with. Their names didn't ring out like marlo's did. Sure they weren't completely unknown, but even then the name vondas wasn't even his real name to begin with! The Greek wasn't even Greek!
Completely different than Marlo. So my statement stands.
Agreed. Season 2 is so necessary on so many levels.
Agree to disagree on this one. The Greek didn't give two shits what people called him. Average person will get mad if you fuck up their ethnicity. As long as the CLEAN money came in, The Greek didn't care.
It wasn't voice recognition, what it did was pull cell phone numbers that are in use (during a particular time period) from the air.
So if you know what time the cellphone is being used you can find that persons cell phone number. The first time they used it, there were thousands of numbers in use at that time. The second time they used it there were also thousands of numbers in use but only hundreds (or less) were also in use the first time. The third time even a fewer number of cell numbers are in use all three times. Thus, it led to them finding out String's number.
You talking about season 2 when they were on the boat? Or season 2?
