The jay cutler trade fucked us both
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I like how Stephen A says that the defense cost us the game and yet blatantly ignores that the offense went three and out 4 times......and couldn't get a first down...
I have my issues with the defense but to blatantly ignore the offense is ridiculous....
I have my issues with the defense but to blatantly ignore the offense is ridiculous....
I don't think it fucked up,because we would never had Manning on the team...
I like how Stephen A says that the defense cost us the game and yet blatantly ignores that the offense went three and out 4 times......and couldn't get a first down...
I have my issues with the defense but to blatantly ignore the offense is ridiculous....
It pisses me off these bastards look over Luck saying he really didn't have a good game. I looked at the TV like
. I"m starting to glance over first take more and more with the idiots commenting on the show who know nothing about the sport the speak of.
Y'all used our pics on Thomas and miller I think
Angelo fucked us with that trade
Just waisted love latter years
Angelo fucked us with that trade
Just waisted love latter years
It pisses me off these bastards look over Luck saying he really didn't have a good game. I looked at the TV like
I don't understand Skip's hatred of Luck....
The Chicago Bears acquired disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler in a trade on Thursday afternoon, giving up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 (18th overall) and 2010, along with a third-round pick (84th overall) in 2009 to do it.
To complete the trade, the Broncos had to give back a fifth-round pick (140th overall) in 2009. That pick was acquired by the Broncos from the Seattle Seahawks in a trade for wide receiver Keary Colbert.
The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback. The Broncos had made it clear they were asking for at least two first-round choices.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373
I had to make sure....
McDummy had two solid draft years,but the way he treated players his arrogance and his inability to make game adjustments got his ass fired....
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/9/5/1671051/mcx-draft-snapshot
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/9/5/1671051/mcx-draft-snapshot
Smfh
That was a lateral move
Y'all won a playoff game
We won a playoff game
That's it
That was a lateral move
Y'all won a playoff game
We won a playoff game
That's it
You gotta love Broncos fans....they'll crucify a young back for fumbling the ball and yet wont say shit about Manning's 2 turnovers.....
You gotta love Broncos fans....they'll crucify a young back for fumbling the ball and yet wont say shit about Manning's 2 turnovers.....
I would agree with you...if Manning turned the ball over every other touch. Manning doesn't fumble or throw interceptions with the same ratio Hillman does. Touches to turnovers. Besides both of Manning's turnovers yesterday were offensive line breakdowns.
The biggest glaring issue I saw yesterday was field position. Denver is paying Britton Colquit a lot of money & he is not delivering. I know he rusty but when you're need that ball needs to either be deeep or out of bounds. Indy damn near started on Denver side of the field every other possession.
Hillman only lost one fumble this year and fumble the ball twice...
Manning lost more fumbles than Hillman and yet nobody says nothing about Manning fumbling the ball....Hell,Manning has 5 turnovers to Hillman's one and yet people are crucifying Hillman...
Did you know that Hillman only lost two fumbles in his career so far(lost one fumble last year) and yet people acting like this kid has an issue holding the ball when he doesn't...
Hell,Montee lost two fumbles this year to Hillman's one...I don't understand where people get his idea that he has trouble holding onto the ball...but wont say shit to Manning's turnovers...
Manning has 5 turnovers and yet all Im seeing are excuses from people..
How many preseason fumbles? If he doesn't have a turnover problem...Why is he always in the doghouse? So in a 147 touches he has 4 fumbles 2 lost through 2 years. Doesn't seem that bad except it's during inopportune times. How many he's lost is irrelevant. Putting the ball on the ground is unacceptable regardless.
How do you compare a running back to a QB who avg 2.78 seconds with the ball before it's out of his hands. He has a total of 7 fumbles 5 lost & 14 int with 913 touches. You do the math. Both of Manning's turnovers were caused by breakdown on the line. What was Hillman's excuse? He didn't lose the game. It took a team effort to do that. But he was a part of the problem instead of a solution.
You talking about something that doesn't even count.....
So you're going to going the 2 turnovers that Manning had last night....especially when the quarterback touches the ball on every play...what's Manning excuse...
This is why Irsay made the comments,because everything he said was correct....Manning folds under pressure...which he did last night...
You talking about something that doesn't even count.....
So you're going to going the 2 turnovers that Manning had last night....especially when the quarterback touches the ball on every play...what's Manning excuse...
This is why Irsay made the comments,because everything he said was correct....Manning folds under pressure...which he did last night...
I see the QB gets the praise & the blame for everything. No praise for making the makeshift oline look competent but takes 100% of the blame when they let players blow by them like they don't exist.
That's fine we have differing opinions on Manning's 2 turnovers. But I didn't factor in anything other than pass attempts & Manning runs. But if I was to factor in every snap the disparage would be even greater.
By the way I not taking any blame from Peyton but does the guy have to be superhuman all the time? How exactly did he fold last night? Was it with the long fields? Or how about the dline collapsing the pocket every other play? Or was it D Thomas getting eaten alive by Vontae Davis. Maybe it was the 3 yards per rush? I know perhaps it was the Colts at home against a depleted defense?
Manning didn't get the job done,just like he don't get the job done in the playoffs
You would think someone like Manning,who is suppose to be all smart would recognize that the Colts weakness was the run,but he kept passing the ball....
Even I was surprised that we didn't run the ball enough,because the Chargers had no problem running against that defense,last week...
If we don't win a Superbowl,this Manning experiment has been failure and some of the blame goes on him,because how does a Hall of Fame quarterback not recognized a team weakness and yet keeps passing the ball...
I find it hilarious that people kept their mouths shut when McGahee fumbled all the dayum time,especially last year and yet when want to crucify a Hillman....
I'm not sure if you are serious or not. But you realize the team ran 19 times right? For an avg of 3.4 yards. So now Peyton Manning throwing the ball against man coverage is the wrong option. Funny thing is you sound exactly like Jim Irsay. Kinda funny.
You must've thought Elway was a failure for 14 years. 3 Super Bowl appearances 0 wins. What a failure. Dan Marino was the biggest loser of them all. Only 1 appearance & a donut. Such a joke QB. Must've been the ultimate choke artist. All you need is an elite QB & rings rain down. I mean Dilfer, Williams, Johnson. All Hall of Famers. Give me those clutch QB's over Manning any day.
You might be one depressed person because nothing is guaranteed to anybody. Denver's offense doesn't mean automatic championship. Especially when the defense gets 0 pressure on the opponents QB. But you're right. They don't win, it's Manning's fault & his alone. I've said enough & I concede.
It looks like we're trying to get a DE,before the trading deadline...they brought somebody in today to take a look,but didn't sign him and we was one of the teams that tried to get Joe Thomas during the Trent Richardson trade....
Many said,the Broncos also trying to get Jared Allen.....
Many said,the Broncos also trying to get Jared Allen.....
Look at the stats and injuries. Rules....agreements....the league is so fucked up right now.
Btw....
Holla at me when the Chiefs or Broncos play a team worth mentioning.
I bet the Broncos get knocked out in their first playoff game.
Payton usually blows it around that time.
Btw....
Holla at me when the Chiefs or Broncos play a team worth mentioning.
I bet the Broncos get knocked out in their first playoff game.
Payton usually blows it around that time.
Its not the Broncos fault that their opponents are shitty.....
Ronnie Hillman's ball-security issues have earned him penthouse arrangements in John Fox's doghouse.
The Denver Post reported Friday that Hillman will not dress when the Broncos host the Washington Redskins on Sunday. Running back C.J. Anderson will be active in Hillman's place.
The decision comes after a Hillman fumble imploded a Broncos comeback attempt in their 39-33 loss to the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday night. Ball security was an issue for Hillman during the preseason, and fumbles in back-to-back weeks have all but sealed his reputation as A Guy Who Can't Be Trusted.
Anderson will slot behind Knowshon Moreno and Montee Ball on Sunday. It might take injuries along the depth chart for Hillman to get his shot at redemption.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-hillmans-fumbles-take-him-out-of-broncos-mix
Down goes Hillman.
The Denver Post reported Friday that Hillman will not dress when the Broncos host the Washington Redskins on Sunday. Running back C.J. Anderson will be active in Hillman's place.
The decision comes after a Hillman fumble imploded a Broncos comeback attempt in their 39-33 loss to the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday night. Ball security was an issue for Hillman during the preseason, and fumbles in back-to-back weeks have all but sealed his reputation as A Guy Who Can't Be Trusted.
Anderson will slot behind Knowshon Moreno and Montee Ball on Sunday. It might take injuries along the depth chart for Hillman to get his shot at redemption.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-hillmans-fumbles-take-him-out-of-broncos-mix
Down goes Hillman.
I hope all the fucking fans are happy now,because its fucked up that they'll crucify a back that's only lost one fumble this year,but havent say shit to a rookie that's already lost 2 and a quarterback that lost 2 also...but they want the back that lost one out of the line..
I don't want to hear shit when Manning,Ball,Anderson ,Moreno and any of the wide receivers loses a couple of fumbles...I don't want to hear it at all...
Manning leads the team with turnovers and yet nobody isn't freaking out over it,but somehow a back that lost one fumble,everybody is freaking out over it..makes no fucking sense at all..
Hell,DT lost 3 last year and nobody didn't go after him like they did with Hillman....
I hope every Bronco fan are happy,because I don't want to hear one person complain about turnovers,when the starting quarterback leads the team with 5....
I love the team,but sometimes I gotta question the fans when it comes to their football knowledge....
This is the last time I will speak on this.....
I don't want to hear shit when Manning,Ball,Anderson ,Moreno and any of the wide receivers loses a couple of fumbles...I don't want to hear it at all...
Manning leads the team with turnovers and yet nobody isn't freaking out over it,but somehow a back that lost one fumble,everybody is freaking out over it..makes no fucking sense at all..
Hell,DT lost 3 last year and nobody didn't go after him like they did with Hillman....
I hope every Bronco fan are happy,because I don't want to hear one person complain about turnovers,when the starting quarterback leads the team with 5....
I love the team,but sometimes I gotta question the fans when it comes to their football knowledge....
This is the last time I will speak on this.....
If Manning throws one more duck.........
yet...nobody wont mention that...but people want to freak out over a running back that lost one fumble this year...
What the hell happened to our defense,we was in the top 5 in all defensive categories and yet we can't defend the pass to save our lives....
Even when teams was scoring in garbage time last season,we shut the down pass for the most part...
I hope all the fucking fans are happy now,because its fucked up that they'll crucify a back that's only lost one fumble this year,but havent say shit to a rookie that's already lost 2 and a quarterback that lost 2 also...but they want the back that lost one out of the line..
I don't want to hear shit when Manning,Ball,Anderson ,Moreno and any of the wide receivers loses a couple of fumbles...I don't want to hear it at all...
Manning leads the team with turnovers and yet nobody isn't freaking out over it,but somehow a back that lost one fumble,everybody is freaking out over it..makes no fucking sense at all..
Hell,DT lost 3 last year and nobody didn't go after him like they did with Hillman....
I hope every Bronco fan are happy,because I don't want to hear one person complain about turnovers,when the starting quarterback leads the team with 5....
I love the team,but sometimes I gotta question the fans when it comes to their football knowledge....
This is the last time I will speak on this.....
You're right. The fans pressured John Fox & the Front Office into benching Hillman. Did you see that fire Ronnie Hillman billboard they just erupted. Enough of the sarcasm.
I don't think this has anything to do with the fans. This has to do with the Front Office seeing enough of Hillman in practice & games (preseason counts) to feel they can't trust him to not put the ball on the ground. Whether it's recovered by Denver is irrelevant. Fumble is a fumble.
You can't compare him to Peyton. Peyton drops back to pass 40+ times a game. Not including handing the ball off. Hillman gets a max of 10 touches a game. Besides you'll never see an elite QB benched for sack fumbles...ever. You're talking blind-side & full rush hits vs. in the pile stripped from your hand fumbles.
The only problem I have with everything is the Hillman should not have been in the game in that situation. He's not that type of back. Either the NCAA touchdown leader should have gotten that carry or Moreno. So I don't think John Fox gets enough blame for having him in there.
If Manning throws one more duck.........
I think Brock Osweiler throws a tight spiral. I say we see what the 2nd year QB has.
It was all good before the Cowboys game when all he threw were wobbly TDs. Man 1 loss & this place is like a bitch fest.
You would think Denver was guaranteed a Super Bowl around here.
Say bro, you show up every now and then on here, Calm down. I'm worried about his arm considering he's had all those neck surgeries and nerve issues. Don't act like he's been throwing ducks all season because he hasn't. He's been taking a lot of punishment and he rarely even tested that Colts defense when he's been lighting folks up all season.
Does that not strike you as strange?
Didn't mean to offend. Just the tone of this place has gotten awfully negative lately. Thought you were complaining.
I'd be more concerned if it was any other QB. I don't think Peyton would risk his legacy if he couldn't throw the ball effectively. Wobbly ducks & all. His streak is over & if he's not healthy I would hope he wouldn't jeopardize the entire season when he the bigger picture is playoffs. Not TDs.
We'll see. I think he missed practice this week. See how he performs against the 'Skins.
That was before people realize how bad our pass defense is...
I don't know what it is,but we have a few new starters and yet we having trouble stopping the pass....This was not a problem last year...
We didn't give up a 300 yard in the air,until the playoff game and now gave up 5 300 yard games already in the season...
I hope they fix that shit during the bye week....
Champ is out for Sunday's game...
Anyone think the Broncos will do anything on defenseto get a pass rush....before the trading deadline...
It seems like Shaun Philips/Ayers/Von are the only three who can get a pass rush...
Von didn't get a sack,but he did get pressure on Luck...
They need to fix what wrong with the defense,because we will be playing the teeth of our schedule with San Diego twice,the Chiefs twice, and New England...We need to go 6-2 or better the rest of the way to get home-field and hope New England and Kansas City lose atleast 2 games each....just in case we split with KC and lose to New England...
Let's not forget we will be mostly on the road,after the bye......5 road games and 3 home games....
It seems like Shaun Philips/Ayers/Von are the only three who can get a pass rush...
Von didn't get a sack,but he did get pressure on Luck...
They need to fix what wrong with the defense,because we will be playing the teeth of our schedule with San Diego twice,the Chiefs twice, and New England...We need to go 6-2 or better the rest of the way to get home-field and hope New England and Kansas City lose atleast 2 games each....just in case we split with KC and lose to New England...
Let's not forget we will be mostly on the road,after the bye......5 road games and 3 home games....
I think if we could pry Jared Allen off the Vikings for no more than a 3rd I'd make the move. He would instantly help our pass rush.
For his first game back Von was getting after Luck. Been surprised by Shaun Phillips.
Im not surprised about Philips,he had a good season San Diego,but probably got fed up with the offense not producing...
He's on his way of having the best season of his career....his career high in sacks are 11.5 and he has 6.5 already...
I think part of the problem is we score so fast on offense that the defense don't get a chance to rest...I remember watching the Eagles game,the defense made Michael Vick go three and out and we march down the field with ease and score and after they kicked a field goal on their second possession,Holliday score on a kickoff return...
I was like dayum...the defense didn't get a chance to rest....
And I don't understand why people say our running game isn't effective when Moreno is playing well,for the most part...Just because the coaches went brain dead against the Colts doesn't mean is not effective at all...
Still don't understand why we didn't run the ball more in that game...knowing full well the Colts can't stop the run to save their lives...
But...but Manning can't do no wrong...
Manning 6 fumbles....lost 4 of them on the year....lost 1 today...
lets see if fans are going to crucify him like they did Hillman,but I doubt it...
Manning 6 fumbles....lost 4 of them on the year....lost 1 today...
lets see if fans are going to crucify him like they did Hillman,but I doubt it...
Peyton with a pick 6 to DeAneglo Hall. What's goin on Bronco fans?
Make that one fumble lost and an interception on Manning today.....