The Official Denver Broncos Discussion

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Great win

The defense stepped up...got some turnovers finally....but they need stop with the fucking penalties..

We got some pressure,finally

The offense needs to stop turnovering the ball......I don't understand why this team have a problem with holding onto the ball...makes no sense at all...


Fox and Gase needs to chill with the passing and run the ball more...

Demariyus/Decker and Welker needs to stop looking for calls all the time....especially Decker

Our receivers needs to learn to get off jams,because teams will do that for the rest of the year...What's the point of having two big ass receivers,if they can't get off jams...makes no fucking sense at all...




And what the hell is wrong with this team plague with injuries,I've never seen this team have so many injuries....

 

[gutsdabeast]

9 turnovers on the season by Manning .... 4 today...


lets see Bronco fans crucify him like they did Hillman,but I doubt it....

You can tally up Manning turnovers every game. But I assure you if Denver has a shot at winning the Super Bowl it won't be because Ronnie Hillman held on to the ball.

We'll revisit all this QB negativity later in the season. I like that Manning takes chances. Unlike Alex Smith who's a game manager.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Gouk, bro you know Manning is untouchable. Cats like Hillman and Ball will always take the fall. Hillman got it because of the timing of his fumble.

My problem is that people would make all types of excuses for Manning and his turnovers and yet want crucify Hillman for one mistake and say they want him off the team...


Hillman actually played well last week,matter of fact he played better than Moreno and yet everybody want to concentrate on his fumble..

Manning have 4 turnovers today and it will get swept under the rug by fans...but let that be any other quarterback they'll be having signs wanting him off the team...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

why are people saying we play Kansas City when we come off the bye...when its San Diego..


Its at San Diego,Kansas City,at New England and then at Kansas City...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

You can tally up Manning turnovers every game. But I assure you if Denver has a shot at winning the Super Bowl it won't be because Ronnie Hillman held on to the ball.

We'll revisit all this QB negativity later in the season. I like that Manning takes chances. Unlike Alex Smith who's a game manager.

I have no problem with Manning,I just don't understand the hypocrisy..

If you're a person that hates it when your team turnover the ball..that's fine by me,but don't make excuses for the starting quarterback for his and then kill a running back for his turnovers...

Like I said,I didn't like Hillman fumbling the ball,but Im not kill him for it either...

 

[gutsdabeast]

I have no problem with Manning,I just don't understand the hypocrisy..

If you're a person that hates it when your team turnover the ball..that's fine by me,but don't make excuses for the starting quarterback for his and then kill a running back for his turnovers...

Like I said,I didn't like Hillman fumbling the ball,but Im not kill him for it either...

So playing the, "Well Manning did it to." game is going to change the way people feel about Hillman?

If Hillman was a great back, his errors would be forgiven. He is not yet. Manning is a great QB, so his mistakes are forgiven. Double-standard I know.

But when AP was fumbling a lot, the Vikings let him work through his issues. That's because he's a great back. Same with Tiki. When was the last you heard of David Wilson? Eli's still out though.

Show you have more talent than speed & you'll get second & third chances. Moreno sat half a season because he couldn't get it together. Yet here he is shining. Hillman may get another chance. But he's gonna have to show the COACHES he can get it done. Not the fans.

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

My problem is that people would make all types of excuses for Manning and his turnovers and yet want crucify Hillman for one mistake and say they want him off the team...


Hillman actually played well last week,matter of fact he played better than Moreno and yet everybody want to concentrate on his fumble..

Manning have 4 turnovers today and it will get swept under the rug by fans...but let that be any other quarterback they'll be having signs wanting him off the team...

When you throw 62%+ every year but your rookie year for 14 years, throw nearly 30 TDs or more and typically throw just about 10 picks every year and you're WINNING...your mistakes aren't really that much of a problem. Of course a guy like Manning isn't going to be ridiculed for every mistake that happens...he's a future HoFer and winning.

Plus you KNOW the tune changes with Manning come post-season anyway since that's when he struggles so that's when the ridiculing starts. But during regular season, there's no worries cuz he's getting you enough Ws to get to the next level (playoffs).

What exactly has Hillman done to not be concerned about his fumbles? Is he your homeboy or sumin...? He has no track record to cover up his downfalls right now and is a work in process. On top of that, he's easily replacable right now with Knowshon and even Ball...not quite the same with Manning.​

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

So playing the, "Well Manning did it to." game is going to change the way people feel about Hillman?

If Hillman was a great back, his errors would be forgiven. He is not yet. Manning is a great QB, so his mistakes are forgiven. Double-standard I know.

But when AP was fumbling a lot, the Vikings let him work through his issues. That's because he's a great back. Same with Tiki. When was the last you heard of David Wilson? Eli's still out though.

Show you have more talent than speed & you'll get second & third chances. Moreno sat half a season because he couldn't get it together. Yet here he is shining. Hillman may get another chance. But he's gonna have to show the COACHES he can get it done. Not the fans.

When you throw 62%+ every year but your rookie year for 14 years, throw nearly 30 TDs or more and typically throw just about 10 picks every year and you're WINNING...your mistakes aren't really that much of a problem. Of course a guy like Manning isn't going to be ridiculed for every mistake that happens...he's a future HoFer and winning.

Plus you KNOW the tune changes with Manning come post-season anyway since that's when he struggles so that's when the ridiculing starts. But during regular season, there's no worries cuz he's getting you enough Ws to get to the next level (playoffs).

What exactly has Hillman done to not be concerned about his fumbles? Is he your homeboy or sumin...? He has no track record to cover up his downfalls right now and is a work in process. On top of that, he's easily replacable right now with Knowshon and even Ball...not quite the same with Manning.​

Again,yall is missing the point...I understand turnovers happens in a game that's how it is,but when you have a quarterback that commits 7 turnovers in 2 games and nobody says one word about it and yet kills a running and acts like he did it on purpose..I find the whole thing ridiculous..

Every single week,fans say the same question on why the team can't hold on to the ball and yet when Manning throws an interception and fumbles the ball,they're quiet and yet as soon as someone fumbles the ball,they want the player off the team..


I will guaranteed you two weeks from now that these same people that's quiet about Manning's 4 turnover performance is going to say the same fucking thing "Why the team can't hold on to the ball".... and yet wont say shit if Manning have another....



Again,I understand Manning is the best player on the team and our only shot of winning another Superbowl,but I find it ridiculous that you can't criticize the guy,especially when he's been throwing interceptions where nobody isn't near the area..

Forget about the interceptions,he leads the team in fumbles and yet nobody wont say jack shit about it...Why can't he hold on the like any professional,he's been in the league for atleast 14 years and yet he gets a pass for his fumbles...


I can't wait til he retires,because I guaranteed you these dumb ass Bronco fans will change their tune,if Oz does the same exact thing....


I will guaranteed you,if you we make the playoffs and Manning throws interception or fumble,these same people wont say shit about it...they will find another excuse on why Manning cost us a game....

 

[M.H.C.]

Jeez guys....

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Jeez guys....

no beef....just a small disagreement.....

 

[gutsdabeast]

Again,yall is missing the point...I understand turnovers happens in a game that's how it is,but when you have a quarterback that commits 7 turnovers in 2 games and nobody says one word about it and yet kills a running and acts like he did it on purpose..I find the whole thing ridiculous..

Every single week,fans say the same question on why the team can't hold on to the ball and yet when Manning throws an interception and fumbles the ball,they're quiet and yet as soon as someone fumbles the ball,they want the player off the team..


I will guaranteed you two weeks from now that these same people that's quiet about Manning's 4 turnover performance is going to say the same fucking thing "Why the team can't hold on to the ball".... and yet wont say shit if Manning have another....



Again,I understand Manning is the best player on the team and our only shot of winning another Superbowl,but I find it ridiculous that you can't criticize the guy,especially when he's been throwing interceptions where nobody isn't near the area..

Forget about the interceptions,he leads the team in fumbles and yet nobody wont say jack shit about it...Why can't he hold on the like any professional,he's been in the league for atleast 14 years and yet he gets a pass for his fumbles...


I can't wait til he retires,because I guaranteed you these dumb ass Bronco fans will change their tune,if Oz does the same exact thing....


I will guaranteed you,if you we make the playoffs and Manning throws interception or fumble,these same people wont say shit about it...they will find another excuse on why Manning cost us a game....

I think you are really lost. Besides Hillman, who else has been criticized for fumbling?

You keep comparing Manning to Hillman. How can you even make these comparisons. Now your comparing Oz to Peyton. Even IF Oz starts after Peyton the odds of him having anywhere close to the impact of Peyton is highly unlikely.

Nobody's saying you can't criticize Peyton's bad mistakes but as a QB who takes chances you will get an int or two...or three. Please show me a QB who throws as much as Peyton who doesn't throw ints or fumble the ball. I can show you countless RBs who go seasons between fumbles. With 10x the talent as Hillman. This argument has gotten ridiculous.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I wish the offense would do more of this...because teams are going play physical against our receivers...

And how come we got two big receivers and yet both of them aint physical....especially DT...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I thought the defense played well yesterday.....anyone think the defense is turning the corner......

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The most surprised player:


Kayvon Wester....I didn't expect him to be this good


The most disappointing player:


Wolfe....I wouldn't say he's been disappointing,but I think that injury he suffered is still bothering him..

Things we need to improve:



Stop turnovering the ball
We need to run the ball more



Player that must have an impact in the second half:


Von Miller
Montee Ball,he needs to take the pressure off of Knowshon,because we're going to need Knowshon in the playoffs



Grade Fox in the first half of the season:


CC

How can Fox improve as a coach:




Stop being so conservative
Stop challenging stupid plays,but I blame it more on the people that's suppose to look at the play though



Thoughts on Gase play calling:


I knew he wanted to play fast,when we promoted him,but I didn't expect this....If we can stop turnovering the ball we would be almost unstoppable..

He needs to slow the offense down just a little bit so our defense can catch their breaths

And needs to be balance,it don't have to be 50/50 but he needs to run the ball alot more....imo

60/40


Thoughts on Del Rio play calling:


Del Rio and Fox needs to stop being so conservative on defense.

I understand we can't play straight man all the time and blitz,but come on,playing zone for most the second half when we have a big lead is ridiculous...


They needs to fix the pass defense....

Thoughts on the first half of the season:


I like how well the offense is playing,but the pass defense is horrible,after watching the Redskins game,I hope we turned the corner and become an elite defense again like we was last year....

Also the receivers needs to stop playing so dayum soft,Decker and Thomas are the biggest receivers on the the team and yet they can't get off of bump and run....They need to use their height to their advantage

Also they need to stop looking for calls,the past few weeks they're stopping in the middle of their routes and expecting the referees to go their way and the balls are getting intercepted....

I think the defense will come around,but stop with the conservative play calling Fox....

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I wish the offense would do more of this...because teams are going play physical against our receivers...

And how come we got two big receivers and yet both of them aint physical....especially DT...

We need to do alot more of this,because it will confuse the defense and it will make corners get out of press coverage...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

As for gutsdabeast ,I wasn't trying to beef or anything...I had an opinion about something and so did you.....I hope things are cool....

 

[gutsdabeast]

As for gutsdabeast ,I wasn't trying to beef or anything...I had an opinion about something and so did you.....I hope things are cool....

We're good. I don't mind disagreements.

Hopefully this team can avoid injuries this week & get healthy. Peyton's ankles should be better before the Chargers.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

We're good. I don't mind disagreements.

Hopefully this team can avoid injuries this week & get healthy. Peyton's ankles should be better before the Chargers.

Its a good thing JT isn't hurt badly,hopefully he can get close to 100% after the bye,if not I see Dreessden playing alot more....

 

[gutsdabeast]

Its a good thing JT isn't hurt badly,hopefully he can get close to 100% after the bye,if not I see Dreessden playing alot more....

Yeah. That injury is a silent dagger. Joel & Tamme are decent TE. But they can't stretch the field like Julius.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Yeah. That injury is a silent dagger. Joel & Tamme are decent TE. But they can't stretch the field like Julius.

That's true,but have you notice when Dreessen was in the game,the running game was effective...


Dreessen is our best blocking TE....I hope JT develop this later on,but right he's fine right now..


So what are your thoughts on the first half of the year and do you think we need to do more shifts like on the goal line to get our receivers open,since they can't get off of press coverage....

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The NFL flexed our first Kansas City game to Sunday night....and then after that we get our regular Sunday night game at New England....

We get 2 Sunday night games in a row...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

The NFL flexed our first Kansas City game to Sunday night....and then after that we get our regular Sunday night game at New England....

We get 2 Sunday night games in a row...

take them all please!

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

take them all please!

 

[gutsdabeast]

The NFL flexed our first Kansas City game to Sunday night....and then after that we get our regular Sunday night game at New England....

We get 2 Sunday night games in a row...

The Sunday night flex schedule is one of the few things I like that's been implemented during the Goodell era.

I think in terms of Denver's record, the first half was very successful. 6-0 with during Von's suspension. Can't ask for better than that.

Injury-wise Denver took some major L's on the offensive line. Clady, Franklin, Koppen were all huge. But somehow managed to navigate through that.

As far as getting the receivers free. I think Peyton needs to go to the RB more if the defense plays press man. Shifting would work if the receivers could still find holes in the coverage & are on the same page as QB.

I think 6-2 second half gets Denver a bye. Get Von further in football shape & avoid injuries. Could have an even better record than that after bye this week.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The Sunday night flex schedule is one of the few things I like that's been implemented during the Goodell era.

I think in terms of Denver's record, the first half was very successful. 6-0 with during Von's suspension. Can't ask for better than that.

Injury-wise Denver took some major L's on the offensive line. Clady, Franklin, Koppen were all huge. But somehow managed to navigate through that.

As far as getting the receivers free. I think Peyton needs to go to the RB more if the defense plays press man. Shifting would work if the receivers could still find holes in the coverage & are on the same page as QB.

I think 6-2 second half gets Denver a bye. Get Von further in football shape & avoid injuries. Could have an even better record than that after bye this week.

Alot of people had us at 3-3 without Von,so Im pleased with the 7-1 start

I think CJ Anderson and Montee needs to step up,because we are going to need Knowshon in the playoffs...


Its a good thing we have a bye this week,because we are going to need Franklin in both Chiefs games...


I will not be surprised if the coaching staff has been preparing for the Chiefs and Patriots games....more so the Chiefs...

I hope we start to get healthy,because we going to need our horses for the final 8 games and playoffs...

The one person that's surprised me on the offensive line is Manny Ramirez,he couldn't block to save his life last year at the guard spot,but now he's done a magnificent job at center....

And our defense needs to step up for the rest of the season..

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Fox is in the hospital...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

sound like Fox is okay....

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Looks like Fox wont be coaching for the rest of the season....


Adam Schefter
8 minutes ago
Latest on Broncos HC John Fox and heart valve surgery he needs that could sideline him up to two months

 

[M.H.C.]

Get well Fox. Hopefully this motivates the squad even more.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Get well Fox. Hopefully this motivates the squad even more.

Hopefully,Del Rio wont change the offense....

Im assuming he's going to be the interim coach....

 

[gutsdabeast]

Hopefully,Del Rio wont change the offense....

Im assuming he's going to be the interim coach....

I think if it's Del Rio, Denver will be fine. He ran out of talent his last years in Jax.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

It will be interesting to see,how the team respond in the second half of the season...

I read that Fox talked to all the captains yesterday...


Everybody can't get sloppy,because Del Rio won't accept turnovers....

 

[M.H.C.]

Time to get back to it Squad!!!

Reports say Fox coming back before the Playoffs?!?! After open heart surgery? Ok...

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Time to get back to it Squad!!!

Reports say Fox coming back before the Playoffs?!?! After open heart surgery? Ok...

going to be interesting to see how the team respond,if they get down early..

We're a second half team and without Fox,I have no clue how this team will react

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The offense was bad in the second half...

DT stepped up today.....He's our best receiver and he hardly get any touches,so its nice to see him have a great game....

The defense played good,but need to step up on 3rd down...I don't understand why we have a problem on 3rd down this year....We was #1 last year....

And Im not going to comment on the fumble....

That fumble snuff all the momentum we had....


Next week will be our biggest test and the offense needs to step up,because the Chiefs will put pressure on us....They need to put a tight end on Clark's side or have a running back chip the defensive end.....can't have Mannning hurt...