"The Talk" commercial has CACS crying racism
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STOP!
I respect you told them the deal and called them on their privilege. Their tears told the deal.
At the same time, I don't want you to have to explain to HR why Becky felt "intimated by" you or how you were "aggressively" making your points.
Tread lightly fam...
I said I wasn't going to respond to these types of comments as it would just serve to derail the thread but I swear to God I'm tired of hearing everything turn into a bitch fest, black woman against black men, etc...
So the fact that women are primary caretakers isn't the reason that these women are having these conversations with their children? The fact that traditionally they would have been the ones home when children came home from school while the father was out working? The fact that mothers are more often the ones who calm, soothe, take care of boo-boos, cuts and scrapes? The ones who are often the ones there most of the times, who when they see their kids upset or hurting are the ones encouraging them to talk, express their feelings and tell her what is going on? Or that most likely this was partially put together by outside help such as the ad agency behind the video? https://twitter.com/BBDONY SMH. I'm not saying black men are absent from these roles or situations, but my parents were married 52 years before my dad passed, and my he was not the person I was running to when I was upset about something.
BGOL is famous for sprouting the 70% oow birth rate while advocating for men not to get married, spreading the gospel of gold diggers and women only having kids so they can hit you up for child support, yet some are upset that there are no men being vocal in the video. Seriously?
Y'all bitch about black women ALL the damn time. It never stops. BLM has too many black women and gays. Black women are excluding men. Black women are only in positions of power because white folks aren't scared of them. FUCK ALL Y'ALL. Y'all act like black women aren't catching hell in the work force. Instead of bitching and complaining about how black men are being portrayed, or the lack of such portrayal, why don't Y'ALL stand on the front lines and build something. Why not make your presence known and felt? Y'all get on my last damn nerves.
Although I grew up with both my parents I have no issue with this commercial. I don't think there was anything subversive about it. The message was more important to me than the "Where are the Dads" argument.
You're on a forum that probably 95% MALE MEMBERSHIP; what the hell do you expect?
And TRUST ME, black men give black women WAY more credit in this forum, which remember, was primarily a BLACK PORN Forum until the main board became a gathering point for more topics and the sub boards were created; WAY more credit is given than what you'll EVER see on LipStickAlley or other online retreats for where pseudo black feminist DECRY black men day in and day out. I've been on BGOL for 20 years and have seen just about everything that this Board has spit out.
You're a paying member like anyone else but you've got a lot of nerve calling out folks in here when literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars in FREE education, advice, software, technology and templates, just to name a few things, are provided by BLACK MEN who are members of BGOL and used to create businesss, jobs and create wealth and opportunity for blacks folks.
White people will NEVER get it. They do evil and still turn it around like we caused the shit
these comments man...
Powerful.
*two cents*
Damn! Tell her why you mad!
And go deeper. You might be addressing what some of us feel but may not be able to put into words.
*two cents*
This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
That's bullshit. You cherry picked a few responses; your feelings got caught up; you typed out your emotional response (unless "FUCK ALL YALL" is a phase of endearment); and now it's "absolutely nothing to do with....").....don't try and backtrack from that little rant about black men.....
Stand up and own it and whatever feedback you get because of it, don't punch and run.
If you're right it would be great. Here's hoping...
I've been on that forum a couple of times and it's all "dragging" , "receipts" and shitting on every woman that's lighter than a brown paper bag.
Oh yeah, and "#blackboyjoy"
cool
i actually liked the commercial overall
don't see why my observation had to negate their message (they could have easily shown a Black father briefly talking to a daughter por ejemplo) - optics matter
My boss is this California liberal white dude.... cool as can be... he jokingly called me racist one day and i told him it was impossible for me to be racist and that i might be prejudiced but never a racist. He pulled the dictionary definition of racist on his phone and read it to me, then i just casually asked him HOW MANY RACES OF PEOPLE ARE THERE? When he replied ONE i told him "well that makes your book learned definition of racism bullshit, huh?"
oh but they DO care...
like i always say
the worst thing you can ever call a racist white person?
Is racist.
proof...
read the comments
these are supposedly white folk who AREN'T racist.
yeah...
Ok
I then explained to him what racism REALLY is, explained the difference between racist and prejudiced, then told him he's racist whether he accepts it or not.
Dude face got beet red, he stormed out my office and as he got to the door screamed WELL IF I WAS A RACIST I WOULDN'T HAVE HIRED YOUR BLACK ASS!!!
I just laughed at him extremely loud so he'd hear me rubbing it in. Dude didn't speak to me for a couple days. I've never seen him that triggered. But to his credit, he did come to me, man to man, offer an apology, and said that what i told him opened his eyes to some things and he's been reading up on it more to try and gain more of an understanding. And he's asked more questions, read more, and is honestly putting forth an effort to see where I'm coming from and why i think the way i do. I genuinely think by challenging him i opened his eyes to some things.
This made me laugh...i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing tho...
That's bullshit. You cherry picked a few responses; your feelings got caught up; you typed out your emotional response (unless "FUCK ALL YALL" is a phase of endearment); and now it's "absolutely nothing to do with....").....don't try and backtrack from that little rant about black men.....
Stand up and own it and whatever feedback you get because of it, don't punch and run.
First of all, I didn't quote you. Now in the past women have been told that if something doesn't apply to us don't pick it up, that no one is going to type disjointedly to reassure every little cupcake that they aren't the ones being spoken about. I realize I said fuck all y'all, but I can guarantee certain stable minded members didn't take offense because they knew it didn't apply to them. The fact that you did must mean you harbor some of those mindsets. Fine.
I'm on a site 95% male. What do I expect? Better of my black brothers than you obviously. I absolutely appreciate all the content that I get from here. That still has nothing to do with this topic. You're basically saying I benefit from black men, a fact I've never denied, so I need to be quiet. I've posted content here too. It may not be content YOU are interested in, but I've contributed in the past. You emphasize all the educational info that is available here, but seem ok with embracing ignorant attacks on black women. If something being 95% black and male means that it is 100% ignorant there is a problem. I realize not everyone is on the same level, and personal experiences color responses and actions. However, I don't believe black men are incapable of rational, reasonable, compassionate thought. I have real life examples that prove they are, so I expect better. It's a shame that you don't.
As I said before, the benefits I receive here have nothing to do with this discussion. Some folk are dead set shitting on anything a black woman touches. We have a video that has gone viral about a very real and painful truth that almost every black family lives, and the first thought is not to share it, or praise it, it's to attack the creators, to find fault with it. We talk about white folks being sick in the head, but imo it takes an equally diseased mind to attack what can only benefit your own children and black families in general.
Black men and women being treated differently is a valid discussion. It has nothing to do with the message of the video. Erasure of black people in general, black men specifically is a valid discussion. Thought they were present, just not to the degree some would like. It still has nothing to do with the message of the video. I have issues with the video to some degree. It irks me to no end that stuff like this is necessary to humanize black folks to white people. All of it is a double edged sword to some degree, but I'm not going to shit on the video, the creators of it. The reaction from white folks alone should be enough to rally around it, defend it, share it, but SOME of y'all still can't get on the same page.
SOME of y'all are as bad as some Trump voters. Just like they would rather die than get healthcare from a black man, SOME of y'all would rather see black children continued to be shot and abused rather than see a black woman get credit for saving one of them. (Emphasizing SOME for the SLOW folks)
And as I said you got caught up in your feelings because a couple of folks pointed out that the commercial, which easily could have portrayed the black FAMILY as a unit confronting the issue, instead only focused on the mom. But because the commercial made YOU feel warm and fuzzy that good ole P and G confronted the issue (and it was a good commercial) then when some folks pointed out it's shortcomings, your feelings led you to post that little toddler rant capped off by telling black men that we need to "stand on the front line and build something"? But since we "get on your damn nerves" (this comment was made to the MASSES, not just the "stable minded members", why do you pay to be a member? I mean, what RATIONAL woman would not only want to be on, but PAY to be on, a message board where the members, both "stable minded" and none, "bitch about black women ALL the damn time?"
But keep on backtracking to try and legitimize your little rant.
And what's even worse; of the comments made about the lack of the black father, NOT ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN ANY WAY DISPARAGED BLACK WOMEN. NOT ONE. Your emotions and the amount of bullshit you typed in your response wasn't even warranted by some disparaging remark. Just absolutely Fucking ridiculous.
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Thats what up!!!!
Fuck them CACs.
What's the name?
Actually I didn't have warm fuzzies over it. I was shocked and distraught to the point of tears and a nosebleed seeing those scenarios reflected in that video. All the shit black folks have been going through over the years, especially the last few years with black men and women being gunned down on video, not getting justice and to come in here seeing black men being PETTY. Hell yeah I was upset and emotional. Having emotions does not automatically mean there is a lack of reason though. That is something men try to pull over women to avoid confronting the truth. I'm not going to apologize for it. I don't see that as a fault. The fact some here appear to have no emotional response, other than to lash out at black women, is disturbing though.
When someone criticized it and said they were not being blatant enough using "bias" instead of "racist" to describe the actions, I had no problem with the comment, and offered the most logical reason why that was the case. As I've said that I also have issues with the video. If someone had said great video, but I would like to have seen black men front in center in the conversation, I wouldn't have said a word other than to agree. But that didn't happen. Not only were black women vilified and attacked, someone went to the website to prove and intent and anti black man agenda that black men were PURPOSELY excluded because this was a part of P&G created by black women, and the pile on was getting ready to begin.
As I said initially I probably shouldn't have commented on the trash comments to begin with, but SOME of y'all couldn't let the video breathe 24 fucking hours before going off on some BS.
listen, i could give a fuck what a racist thinks about this commerical. that the same ones that believe the "odds are against them". equal rights opportunity act a.k.a. affirmation action is a slide by easy pass for black folks. like chris rock said, " when people say oh we're getting progessive as a country. that's white folks who's getting progressive. we've been the same since we been here". oh and on a sidenote since it's james baldwin birthday, black l.g.b.t. should recognize regardless to what your sexual preference or identity, their folks in those same groups that racist. when gays was trying to get i believe prop21 passed (same sex marriage) and it failed , white gays protesting were lashing out at blacks walking by the protest calling them all types of *******. a couple of the passer byers happened to be gay. roseanne bar was on tv talking about " african americans should know what it feels like to be discrimination against. them should of voted for it". they don't do that shit with the jewish folks. sorry ...i went a bit off course
Off the top, fair credit to you for the above response. It's logical and pretty fair.
But who lashed out at black women in this thread? And who stated anything other than facts (and we likely BOTH can agree that a lot of non factual shit can get posted here)? I counted THREE responses that could be considered off the path and NONE was trashing black woman and the one about the origins of the campaign was not only fact but answered the questions about why no black man were in the spot? Tell me what I'm missing; I'm all ears (well, eyes) and won't respond in a confrontational way!
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You've been here long enough to know that all it takes is one comment and then others keep piling on if you don't nip it in the bud.
Explain to me how an organization being started by black women is PROOF that that is the REASON why there was not a larger male presence? Does anyone who has posted here personally know the women or anyone working at the ad agency behind the commercial? I've only been able to watch the video one time and I've been saving, but I haven't read any of the pieces on it yet so has it been specifically stated that black women made the final decision on the video as opposed to someone white and corporate at P&G? Or that black women proposed it as opposed to someone at the ad agency? How is that you can accept it as true that black men being excluded because it was put out by a division started by black women, but none of the other reasons I gave such as women being the primary caregiver? How many men appear in diaper commercials, something usually dominated by white women who people all assume are married? Until recently with swifter commercials you didn't even see them often in cleaning or laundry commercials. Care of home and children are traditionally seen as a woman's domain. It's only been the past year or two that you see men in these types of commercials, and it's not a lot of them.
I apologize for going off, maybe I did go overboard. I'm just tired of all this. It never ends and all I see is other people justifying the nonsense.
respect. appreciate reading this type of measured reply (w/ valid points)
you did go overboard earlier - no one you quoted disparaged Black women in this thread (or any other for that matter speaking for myself)....hell, the main observations were simply ad agency related not targeted at sisters
in the end it's still a powerful video
peace
Excellent observation. Look for Kimberly Clark to take notice.
This has been edited since I first saw it. I have no desire to call out specific members beyond what I've quoted. Assigning malicious motives to black women without proof was imo disparaging black women. Saying that there are no black men because the division was started by black women was attacking black women, not the ad agency. I'm finished with this conversation though. It's pointless.
This is how feel about humans, period.