THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL

[Upgrade Dave]

If Cena doesn't do it, then HHH definitely will. Remember, if Hunter wants it, Vince makes it so.



IMO.....UT should not "end" his streak....but get to 20, and announce his retirement.

That would be even worse. He needs the rub even less and he's only got a few more years left in him his damn self.

My "old schoolness" just thinks guys should go out looking up at the lights. Taker losing at SummerSlam or Night of Champions doesn't mean much but the guy who beats him at Mania would have to be taken as a serious top guy. They have plenty of time to put Alberto Rios or maybe Punk in that position. They need new superstars with HHH and Taker winding down and Edge, Orton, and Mysterio being fragile.

I read on another forum that they will have only one brand. That may end up in some talent cuts.

It'll definitely lead to talent cuts.

 

[BCAA2009]

They need new superstars with HHH and Taker winding down and Edge, Orton, and Mysterio being fragile.

Edge has already mentioned he wanted to retire.

Orton is meh now.......he used to be one of my favs....but his gimmick is becoming stale as a tweener. He needs to stay as a heel.

Mysterio needs to go heel, even though he's the mexican "cena".

Cena needs to take a year off and come back like Samoa Joe, beating everyone's ass with no explaination.

 

[chrislee]

Taker is one of the guys that Vince has the most respect for. If taker want's to keep his record in tack Vince will let him. Taker has almost as much pull backstage as HHH.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Edge has already mentioned he wanted to retire.

Orton is meh now.......he used to be one of my favs....but his gimmick is becoming stale as a tweener. He needs to stay as a heel.

Mysterio needs to go heel, even though he's the mexican "cena".

Cena needs to take a year off and come back like Samoa Joe, beating everyone's ass with no explaination.

Have you seen AJ Styles as a heel? That would be Rey: uncomfortable and ill-fitting. The only way a smaller guy should be a heel is if he can really talk and Rey isn't that level of talker. He's Spiderman to Cena's Superman.

I feel the exact same way on Orton. He used to be really sharp but I'm not a fan of "Stone Cold" Randy Orton.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Taker is one of the guys that Vince has the most respect for. If taker want's to keep his record in tack Vince will let him. Taker has almost as much pull backstage as HHH.

And he's the one guy HHH and Shawn didn't play their games with.

 

[BCAA2009]

And he's the one guy HHH and Shawn didn't play their games with.

I can imagine the meeting going like this...

HBK: Vince, I think I should end takers streak.

HHH: Yeah Vince, Mark had a good run, let Shawn end the streak. Mark, you and Michelle want some time off right? Let's say HBK hits you with the sweet ch.....


Then UT gives them a look like.........

HBK: Umm....You're right Mark, I should lose at Wrestlemania.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I can imagine the meeting going like this...

HBK: Vince, I think I should end takers streak.

HHH: Yeah Vince, Mark had a good run, let Shawn end the streak. Mark, you and Michelle want some time off right? Let's say HBK hits you with the sweet ch.....


Then UT gives them a look like.........

HBK: Umm....You're right Mark, I should lose at Wrestlemania.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Yeah Barrett's finisher is one of the lamest that I've ever seen. Also the black dude with the mask, what the fuck does the mask suppose to represent?

Hell yeah I hate that fuckin' mask. Especially when you can see him put it on on-camera, it takes away from the effectiveness (I guess it's supposed to make him look more menancing) but he might as well keep it on the whole time. I'd rather him get a whole mask, though.

 

[AOD]

Looks like WWE heard our complaints and are bringing in some hot looking ladies to NXT! Smart move!

Also, we get to see more Alicia Fox, now that she's a pro... Sweeeetttt!!!

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

I don't think they should end Taker's streak because they don't have anyone who could carry the torch for the next generation of superstars yet. If you think about all the people UT's beaten at WM all these years, if he were to lose, it would make whoever beat him the top guy in the WWE for the next few years.

They need to spend the next year or two molding some new talent to be the new top face.

The only way I see them pulling off Taker's loss at WM is bringing back HBK and have him win and they both retire for good. It needs to be someone young or someone who's been in the WWE just as long as him, who can still put on a good match, who needs to retire as well.

I would hate it if Cena, Sheamus, Kane or Swagger did it. Triple H either because it would feel like it was his idea.

 

[c_commander]

Hell yeah I hate that fuckin' mask. Especially when you can see him put it on on-camera, it takes away from the effectiveness (I guess it's supposed to make him look more menancing) but he might as well keep it on the whole time. I'd rather him get a whole mask, though.

It helps Tarver stand out since his wrestling won't do it.

Looks like WWE heard our complaints and are bringing in some hot looking ladies to NXT! Smart move!

Also, we get to see more Alicia Fox, now that she's a pro... Sweeeetttt!!!

It's good to see that Alicia Fox is going to get more exposure. I'm just surprised that they decided on an all diva version of NXT.

I don't think they should end Taker's streak because they don't have anyone who could carry the torch for the next generation of superstars yet. If you think about all the people UT's beaten at WM all these years, if he were to lose, it would make whoever beat him the top guy in the WWE for the next few years.

They need to spend the next year or two molding some new talent to be the new top face.

The only way I see them pulling off Taker's loss at WM is bringing back HBK and have him win and they both retire for good. It needs to be someone young or someone who's been in the WWE just as long as him, who can still put on a good match, who needs to retire as well.

I would hate it if Cena, Sheamus, Kane or Swagger did it. Triple H either because it would feel like it was his idea.

I don't think that the streak ever needs to end. If he decides to leave just have him lose at some other point and let the streak be a huge part of his legacy.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Looks like WWE heard our complaints and are bringing in some hot looking ladies to NXT! Smart move!

Also, we get to see more Alicia Fox, now that she's a pro... Sweeeetttt!!!

would be a trip if there ended up being a all-female version of Nexus..jerry lawler would probably have a stroke

 

[dadon1one]

That new 6'9" chic is gonna win and be a champ by the end of the year i promise

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

That new 6'9" chic is gonna win and be a champ by the end of the year i promise

damn..

i bet if she ends up on Raw santino would be having nightmares

 

[c_commander]

damn..

i bet if she ends up on Raw santino would be having nightmares

She looks like the seed of Chucky.

 

[AOD]

If she has any good wrestling skills, I see her and Beth Phoenix going at it for a while!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I don't think they should end Taker's streak because they don't have anyone who could carry the torch for the next generation of superstars yet. If you think about all the people UT's beaten at WM all these years, if he were to lose, it would make whoever beat him the top guy in the WWE for the next few years.
They need to spend the next year or two molding some new talent to be the new top face.

The only way I see them pulling off Taker's loss at WM is bringing back HBK and have him win and they both retire for good. It needs to be someone young or someone who's been in the WWE just as long as him, who can still put on a good match, who needs to retire as well.

I would hate it if Cena, Sheamus, Kane or Swagger did it. Triple H either because it would feel like it was his idea.

That's actually my exact point. The Streak has become as important as either of the top titles at Mania. It's the one thing the Taker can give to a younger guy to make him a main guy going forward. Taker can always get the win back at one of the spring or summer ppvs but that guy will always be the guy who ended The Streak. It's already part of his legacy and a loss won't besmirch it, it would be him doing business. I thought he should have lost to Flair before The Streak was a big deal but since it has I thought he should have lost to Batista and Edge. I would hate for it to be Cena or Kane (this feud will have burned out before Survivor Series so he's not even on the list) or HHH. I don't think Sheamus needs it but I wouldn't be against him being the guy since he's young and proven to be a good, strong heel. If they hadn't fucked Swagger so bad with his shitty World title run, I wouldn't be upset with him. My personal pick would be CM Punk or Alberto Rios but definitely not Drew McIntyre.

WWE Reportedly Unifying All Major Titles


http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/article/285275691.php

This is a good and bad situation. We will get to see new rivalries and storylines but also theres gonna be alot more of under used talent.

They better not let Cena beat Taker at Wrestlemania to win the unified title or they will have to turn his ass heel from all the backlash.

If they unify the women's title, expect Michelle McCool to end up with it. That chick is to the Divas what Shawn Michaels was in the late 90s.

 

[chrislee]

The Real Reason RVD Is Gone From TNA Right Now

As reported earlier, TNA's deal with Rob Van Dam was running out of dates and they ran this angle to explain his absence. His contract with TNA called for him to earn more money per match if they started to go over the limit of dates he agreed to. So they decided to run the Abyss attack angle instead of paying more with costs being cut virtually everywhere in the company. You can read into that what you will. RVD will be back down the line.

Both Sting and Kevin Nash have been booked sparingly as well because of the company trying to keep costs low. Ric Flair has the same kind of deal with TNA and it is believed that that they are coming close to going over the amount of dates he agreed to. However, in Flair's case the belief is that will continue to pay his price for going over dates.

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/article/284769565.php

TNA need some backers with serious cash. Until they get their money up, they can't seriously compete with the WWE.

 

[THE DRIZZY]

damn..

mehh, Awesome Kong would use her as a toothpick. We probably will not see this in the U.S. Japan would make it happen though.

She would be a great "girlfriend" for the Big Show. Imagine them double chokeslamming male and females.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

mehh, Awesome Kong would use her as a toothpick. We probably will not see this in the U.S. Japan would make it happen though.

She would be a great "girlfriend" for the Big Show. Imagine them double chokeslamming male and females.

So you already see how they're going to use her, too?

 

[FamoBenton]

So TNA gave RVD the strap without taking that into consideration, huh?

TNA might be the stupidest internationally-televised wrestling company in history. I'm surprised they got this far.

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

1st time seeing this

 

[theegokiller]

I really wish TNA would focus in on making consistent story lines that build as the weeks go on. They have an amazing talent pool, and if they could just streamline the show, it could easily out perform WWE. Also, is it just me, or does Sting and Abyss have the exact same storyline going on at the exact same time?

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

im calling it..at sunday's TNA pay per view"They" that abyss keeps referring to
will be paul heyman and some other wrestlers he might bring with him

 

[c_commander]

So TNA gave RVD the strap without taking that into consideration, huh?

TNA might be the stupidest internationally-televised wrestling company in history. I'm surprised they got this far.

Actually the problem was that they used him at too many house shows which ate up the dates that he signed for. I've heard a couple of shows where they criticized TNA for using at house shows in small towns instead of saving him strictly for the major shows,TV, and PPVs. Allegedly, Jeff Hardy may be close to running out as well.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

So TNA gave RVD the strap without taking that into consideration, huh?

TNA might be the stupidest internationally-televised wrestling company in history. I'm surprised they got this far.

I like TNA but they do some seriously stupid shit. I get them giving RVD the belt but how do they lose track of his appearances?

Actually the problem was that they used him at too many house shows which ate up the dates that he signed for. I've heard a couple of shows where they criticized TNA for using at house shows in small towns instead of saving him strictly for the major shows,TV, and PPVs. Allegedly, Jeff Hardy may be close to running out as well.

Hardy's been doing a lot of house shows so I wouldn't be surprised.
When this came up, why do the whole injury story instead of having him drop the belt to Abyss, who they have built back into a monster. Hell, he's more of a serial killer than a typical monster.

I really wish TNA would focus in on making consistent story lines that build as the weeks go on. They have an amazing talent pool, and if they could just streamline the show, it could easily out perform WWE. Also, is it just me, or does Sting and Abyss have the exact same storyline going on at the exact same time?:dunno:

It's a Russo weakness. He's so bereft of ideas, he not only recycles old ones (not a problem if done well) but he uses one story for two different different sets of wrestlers. He did a couple years ago when AJ and Kurt were feuding over Karen while Jay Lethal and Sonjay Dutt feuded over SoCal Val.

im calling it..at sunday's TNA pay per view"They" that abyss keeps referring to
will be paul heyman and some other wrestlers he might bring with him

Paul's not coming in to be a character. I think it would be great if he does, but I'm doubting it at this point.
They don't even need Heyman, fire Russo and Bischoff and make Tommy, Bubba, and bring back Savio Vega or use Al Snow for the Knockouts.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Did TNA change bookers since last spring or something? Didn't Abyss dominate Dr. Stevie almost all last year but now Stevie's not only going toe-to-toe with him in a fight but beat him clean in the middle of the ring. What? And it's not like they're going to push Stevie into the main event picture after this so what was the point? This is far worse than them squashing the FBI to Beer Money last week.

 

[chrislee]

With TNA signing guys to dates, it makes me wonder how many guys are under contract.

 

[dtownsfinest]

That's some of the dumbest shit in regards to how they sign guys. Its impossible to have any effective storylines when you're sitting here worried about "dates". Its why TNA will always be a joke. They might as well just develop talent and push their "own" talent and let niggas like Hardy and RVD walk if they can't afford it. Its hurting their brand.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I think his mask is one the best things about him personally. Makes him look menacing.

Yea I agree. His mask is about the only thing he has going for him. Looks pretty good in ring too. But the nigga has like 3 moves. All those NXT dudes only got 3 moves. WWE or whoever responsible for that is really holding them back.

It was the 900th show and all we get is the same ole tired bullshit we've been getting. No surprises or nothing.

You know I thought about this. But then it actually hit me. What significance does the 900th episode actually represent? I mean I can see 100th. I can see 500th. I can see 1000th. But 900th? Just a reason to get a ratings boost IMO.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

With TNA signing guys to dates, it makes me wonder how many guys are under contract.

Their contract structure isn't really that different from how guys used to get signed. Guys signed for a certain amount of days/weeks in the territory days and re-upped or left when the time was up. TNA is still mainly a tv based company that does some house shows. The problem isn't the way they sign, it's the sloppiness in how they handle them. When you sign RVD, Anderson, and Hardy and add them to Abyss, Angle, AJ, and Joe, you should have a steady diet of guys to work on top of small to medium size venues on the house show loop. I think it's better to sign guys who do work house shows than signing vets who don't or do so sparingly(Nash, Sting, Foley, Flair, and Hogan). I think the EV2.0 guys are there for the duration of the angle and to work the old ECW Arena date and the Hammerstein Ballroom show (which ROH sells out routinely so I'm interested to see if TNA can as well).

The Real Reason RVD Is Gone From TNA Right Now


http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/article/284769565.php

TNA need some backers with serious cash. Until they get their money up, they can't seriously compete with the WWE.

They have big money backers, that's how they've stayed in business for years while they were losing money. Panda Energy is a major energy company in Texas that came in and saved TNA went it nearly closed in 2002.
They should not worry about competing with WWE. That thinking has hurt them with the money they blew moving to Monday night and going live every other week.

That's some of the dumbest shit in regards to how they sign guys. Its impossible to have any effective storylines when you're sitting here worried about "dates". Its why TNA will always be a joke. They might as well just develop talent and push their "own" talent and let niggas like Hardy and RVD walk if they can't afford it. Its hurting their brand.

They can afford them but they need to use them better. I'm glad I got to see him live but RVD doesn't need to be at a show in front of 1000 people in Concord, NC especially with Jeff and Ric Flair already booked to appear. Jeff Hardy and AJ main eventing would have gotten them the same crowd. But TNA kicks in extras for the top guys because they do a thing where they take pictures with fans for $20 after the show and you know the wrestler has to get at least half of that.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Yea I agree. His mask is about the only thing he has going for him. Looks pretty good in ring too. But the nigga has like 3 moves. All those NXT dudes only got 3 moves. WWE or whoever responsible for that is really holding them back.

With only 3 moves, he could be WWE champion (see Hogan, Warrior, Cena).
It's the WWE style: keep it extra, extra simple. The only guys who can show how good they are are the ones who're veterans have tons of experience (Rey, Punk, Jericho). I'm hoping Del Rios can get on that list but I have little hope for the Nexus guys.

You know I thought about this. But then it actually hit me. What significance does the 900th episode actually represent? I mean I can see 100th. I can see 500th. I can see 1000th. But 900th? Just a reason to get a ratings boost IMO.

You know we get this every 100 episodes.

 

[BCAA2009]

I have little hope for the Nexus guys.

Hopefully Kaval/Low Ki will change that. A few more small guys and Vince can bring back the cruiserweight belt.


Get Homicide, Jack Evans, Chris Hero, and ECW era Tajiri...turn that shit wayyy up.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Hopefully Kaval/Low Ki will change that. A few more small guys and Vince can bring back the cruiserweight belt.


Get Homicide, Jack Evans, Chris Hero, and ECW era Tajiri...turn that shit wayyy up.

Vince will probably never bring it back. If he does, it'll be back for a little while and then go back to obscurity. The only reason he brought the light heavyweight title is WCW was fucking him up with their cruiserweights. Any time he brings in a belt for the smaller guys, it never lasts because he doesn't care about them. He could have a great lighter weight division right now (Bourne, Guerrero, Cody, Rey, Daniel Bryan, Joey Mercury, and Gabriel) and chooses not to.

 

[BCAA2009]

oh well, so much for the 6'9" chick.......


From WWE.com:

WWE Pro Vickie Guerrero has fired her NXT season three Rookie Diva, Aloisia.

Various sources are reporting that Guerrero, the temperamental Official Consultant of SmackDown, had an argument with her 6-foot-9 Rookie Diva over Vickie's influence over Aloisia.

The news has left WWE NXT season three shaken before it's even started. But when reached for comment, Guerrero stated she would reveal her new Rookie Diva on the WWE NXT season three premiere this Tuesday night at 10 p.m. ET on Syfy.