U.S. Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe vs. Wade
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Man, you know that any kind of rally will bring out the freaks!
Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) says Black women cannot be trusted to choose
In an opinion piece for the Washington Post, Sen Tim Scott (R-SC) says “Abortion is not the way to help single Black mothers.” First, can he get any more patronizing? Some guy, who has never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, swans into the room...
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So I guess this 14yo should be forced to have the baby if she ends up pregnant in a right wing america
Playing the role of conservative idiot: It's gods will I'm sorry but she must keep it.
Nobody wants what’s coming, so nobody wants to see what’s coming.
On the eve of the first civil war, the most intelligent, the most informed, the most dedicated people in the United States could not see it coming. Even when Confederate soldiers began their bombardment of Fort Sumter, nobody believed that conflict was inevitable. The north was so unprepared for the war they had no weapons.
The next US civil war is already here – we just refuse to see it
The right has recognized that the system is in collapse, and it has a plan: violence and solidarity with treasonous far-right factions
The second American civil war is already happening
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I see it coming I've been saying it.Nobody wants what’s coming, so nobody wants to see what’s coming.
On the eve of the first civil war, the most intelligent, the most informed, the most dedicated people in the United States could not see it coming. Even when Confederate soldiers began their bombardment of Fort Sumter, nobody believed that conflict was inevitable. The north was so unprepared for the war they had no weapons.
The next US civil war is already here – we just refuse to see it
The right has recognized that the system is in collapse, and it has a plan: violence and solidarity with treasonous far-right factionswww.theguardian.com
The second American civil war is already happening
Stop killing babies
From 2018:
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Want fewer abortions? Regulate dicks, not wombs. Suck on that, Alito. The Village 6-1-22
One of the greatest disappointments of my adult life was coming to realize how stupid you can be and still sit on the US Supreme Court. Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett… These are not ...
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Supreme Court leak investigation heats up as clerks are asked for phone records in unprecedented move
Supreme Court officials are escalating their search for the source of the leaked draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade, taking steps to require law clerks to provide cell phone records and sign affidavits, three sources with knowledge of the efforts have told CNN.
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Republican-packed Iowa Supreme Court reverses recent precedent, ends state abortion protections
In 2018, the Iowa Supreme Court upheld strong legal protections for abortion in the state constitution. In 2019, the Republican-led Iowa legislature passed a new law giving the state’s governor the power to steer the state Supreme Court to the right by...
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The frustrating part about the pro-choice vs pro-life debate is that the extremes are the only thing considered. It's quite possible to be against abortion, but make concessions for rape, incest, and health complications. It is quite possible to be pro-abortion, but place reasonable limits regarding when and how many abortions a person can have.
Until mature adults from both side of the debate sit down at the table to come up with rational, amicable, compromising solutions, the US political parties will continue to use the extremes to stoke fear as encouragement to vote.
Wake up...its not extremes or fear stoking........these folks are trying to make it illegal for abortions for all reasons including rape an incest.
Have you not seen what Alabama proposed in 2019???
Stop downplaying what these folks really want to do my man because it is exactly what that tweet is saying.
And what I am saying is that the majority of people exist somewhere in the middle.
Regarding Alabama:
Under the Human Life Protection Act, a doctor who performs a banned abortion in the state of Alabama would be guilty of a Class A felony, and could be sentenced to life imprisonment.
No matter what side a person is on, if a law is in place, any person who breaks that law should be punished. I'm not sure what the issue is here.
You see the issue and you re trying to cherry picking the facts to try to make a point
Alabama abortion ban: Republican state senate passes most restrictive law in US
Law bans abortion except if there is a ‘serious health risk’ to the mother, with no exceptions for rape and incest
Actually, I'm not. In my previous post I specifically stated that there needs to be sensible concessions and specifically mentioned rape and incest.You see the issue and you re trying to cherry picking the facts to try to make a point
Alabama abortion ban: Republican state senate passes most restrictive law in US
Law bans abortion except if there is a ‘serious health risk’ to the mother, with no exceptions for rape and incest
The reason due dates are an educated guess is that they have no way of knowing when fertilization/conception ocurred
That is the reason that all previous abortion laws rely on viability.
That is the reason that all previous abortion laws rely on viability.
You see the issue and you re trying to cherry picking the facts to try to make a point
Alabama abortion ban: Republican state senate passes most restrictive law in US
Law bans abortion except if there is a ‘serious health risk’ to the mother, with no exceptions for rape and incest
@Tito_Jackson will “both sides” everything until we’re back in the fields picking cotton. There’s literally no use engaging with the guy lol. This decision (along with the other theocratic-adjacent, fascist decisions handed down by this court recently should be alarming af for anyone not interested in living in Gilead.
Anyone “both sides!”-ing this incredible bullshit is completely lost and delusional
@Tito_Jackson will “both sides” everything until we’re back in the fields picking cotton. There’s literally no use engaging with the guy lol. This decision (along with the other theocratic-adjacent, fascist decisions handed down by this court recently should be alarming af for anyone not interested in living in Gilead.
Anyone “both sides!”-ing this incredible bullshit is completely lost and delusional
This. It's best to just ignore him.
You see the issue and you re trying to cherry picking the facts to try to make a point
Alabama abortion ban: Republican state senate passes most restrictive law in US
Law bans abortion except if there is a ‘serious health risk’ to the mother, with no exceptions for rape and incest
@Tito_Jackson will “both sides” everything until we’re back in the fields picking cotton. There’s literally no use engaging with the guy lol. This decision (along with the other theocratic-adjacent, fascist decisions handed down by this court recently should be alarming af for anyone not interested in living in Gilead.
Anyone “both sides!”-ing this incredible bullshit is completely lost and delusional
So are you all saying that it's all or nothing? How can you not see this as a problem?
There can be policies in place that take in account of pro-abortionists and anti-abortionists
Tito...the problem I am having with you is that you are making it like "there is nothing to see here".....the tweet stated that the 11 year old was confined to ensure that she has the term pregnancy and that she was raped had incest committed against her....
and you are on some ole.....well this is extreme.....they re saying this to stoke fear into the debate....
I am saying to you that there is a large group out here who want this exact thing......and you have a state that is already put it into law.
It is NOT FEAR STOKING......its REALITY.
To say that there is no way of knowing date of conception is false. In 2022 we can accurately determine the conception date with reasonable accuracy using BPD measurements.
The problem with viability is multi-faceted. First, the viability determination used in roe vs Wade is based upon 1973 data and statistics. Everyone must concede that babies are able to be born more "premature" and have higher survival rates. One simply has to look at the technology in 1973 as compared to 2022. Second, viability is largely dependent upon the ability to afford Healthcare. Frankly, babies born to wealthier parent have higher viability statistics. So, this begs the question, are babies born to non-wealthy parents worth less or less viable?
You completely misunderstood my statement. When I said this was extreme, I was talking about those who are opposed to abortion. It is extreme in my opinion to deny a person the ability to have an abortion if they have been raped or are a victim of incest or have morbid health complications.
This is why I said there needs to be sensible people at the table.
Not sure who we are in your post but due dates are still considered educated guesses.
How accurate is my 'due date'? when is my baby due? | AIMS
How accurate is my 'due date'?
Of 10 articles I have read they all agree there are too many variables that effect accuracy,
even with the advances in medicine viability is still considered 23-24 weeks
24 Weeks
In many hospitals, 24 weeks is the point at which doctors will take steps in an attempt to save the life of a baby born prematurely.2 This generally means extreme medical intervention, potentially including mechanical ventilation and other invasive treatments followed by a lengthy stay in a neonatal intensive care unit (NICU). The baby may also require tubal assistance with eating and breathing.
Some hospitals may consider doing this when a baby born even earlier despite the greater potential for complications, disability, and death.
22 to 23 Weeks
In the hands of experienced specialists in state-of-the-art NICUs, babies born slightly earlier than 24 weeks may have a chance at survival. But unfortunately, that chance is slim, and outcomes for those who do survive are not optimal.
For babies born at 23 weeks or earlier who do survive, the odds of significant complications and/or lasting disabilities are much higher than for those that stay in the womb a few weeks longer.3
A 2015 study showed that babies born at 22 weeks may also have a small chance at survival, but death or serious health issues have an even higher probability of occurring.4
Also, note that according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, babies born before 23 weeks have a survival rate of just 5% to 6%. Of those that do survive, 98% to 100% have substantial complications and/or disability.3
To add to the above you also have to factor in where we are talking... Many rural hospitals don't have the most modern equipment and personnel.
The best bets are going to be where there are major university hospitals as they tend to have the resources to have the cutting-edge equipment and techniques.
I can remember at UIC Hospital 20 years ago they had finger splints that continually flexed your broken finger during the healing process while most hospitals had stationary splints
The best bets are going to be where there are major university hospitals as they tend to have the resources to have the cutting-edge equipment and techniques.
I can remember at UIC Hospital 20 years ago they had finger splints that continually flexed your broken finger during the healing process while most hospitals had stationary splints