Universal Basic Income

[Fuckallyall]

I dont care what political party it was...black AMERICANS got screwed regardless by the exclusion which means that white americans benefitted on BOTH SIDES of the aisle... conservative and liberal. From post Depression on thru WW2, the white middle class FLOURISHED.

The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, the G.I. Bill 's language did not specifically exclude African-American veterans from its benefits, it was structured in a way that ultimately shut doors for the 1.2 million Black veterans who had bravely served their country during World War II, in segregated ranks. The original GI Bill ended in July 1956. By that time, nearly 8 million World War II veterans had received education or training, and 4.3 million home loans worth $33 billion had been handed out. But most Black veterans had been left behind. As employment, college attendance and wealth surged for whites, disparities with their Black counterparts not only continued but widened. There was no greater instrument for widening an already huge racial gap in postwar America than the GI Bill.

All with the help of the GUBMENT. You wanna talk about gaslighting...that generation has the gaul to claim they did it on their own!

Its been proven thru out american history that private charities dont have the reach or ability to affect the citizens in the way the Fed/state/local govt can and HAVE. So miss me with that bootstrap/taking food off my plate BS.

Sure, you can often get more money if you take it from others. Since you back this, why do you keep bitching about slavery? You’re fine with it , as long as you’re the slaver.
post some proof about your claim. If it were true, why hasn’t public housing been safer than private housing? Public schools should be better than private schools. Your argument shoves its head up its own ass. That’s why you deflect from it. I get it, you’re in love with the plantation system. I’m not, and won’t be.

 

[geechiedan]

Sure, you can often get more money if you take it from others. Since you back this, why do you keep bitching about slavery? You’re fine with it , as long as you’re the slaver.
post some proof about your claim. If it were true, why hasn’t public housing been safer than private housing? Public schools should be better than private schools. Your argument shoves its head up its own ass. That’s why you deflect from it. I get it, you’re in love with the plantation system. I’m not, and won’t be.

I god damn guarantee you a homeless person would rather live in project housing than on the street. But the issue with the projects and public schooling has more to do with race and class then youre comfortable with knowing. The only one deflecting here is YOU.

hell even your own BOY elon musk said this himself



tell him about how its slavery and plantation shit...he's at the forefront of bringing it about

watch this reply ya'll...

 

[Fuckallyall]

I god damn guarantee you a homeless person would rather live in project housing than on the street. But the issue with the projects and public schooling has more to do with race and class then youre comfortable with knowing. The only one deflecting here is YOU.

hell even your own BOY elon musk said this himself



tell him about how its slavery and plantation shit...he's at the forefront of bringing it about

watch this reply ya'll...

Once again, you move the goalposts. Reading is fundamental. But I realize that you aren’t looking to learn or discuss, but be right. I can play that game. Why are you co-signing a white supremacist? You must be one yourself! To be going along with him is ring a traitor to your race! Sellout!!!!!

 

[Fuckallyall]

I god damn guarantee you a homeless person would rather live in project housing than on the street. But the issue with the projects and public schooling has more to do with race and class then youre comfortable with knowing. The only one deflecting here is YOU.

hell even your own BOY elon musk said this himself



tell him about how its slavery and plantation shit...he's at the forefront of bringing it about

watch this reply ya'll...

Come on, you white supremacist, defend siding with Elon! Don’t like being called out for following MAGA???

 

[geechiedan]

Once again, you move the goalposts. Reading is fundamental. But I realize that you aren’t looking to learn or discuss, but be right. I can tell lay that game. Why are you co-signing a white supremacist? You must be one yourself! To be going along with him is ring a traitor to your race! Sellout!!!!!

talk about moving the goalposts you were happy trump and bump got in! You wanna make distinctions between democrats/liberals and republicans/conservatives? Well that white supremacist bought a conservative presidency and set himself up right next to the oval office.. republican/conservatives co-signed that white supremacist every step of the way AND gave him a consulting job where he gets to directly influence the executive branch of fed govt. Hell he already punked conservatives on a congressional vote and doge isnt even real yet.

And there are multiple posts where you cheerled the whole thing this past election. You got what you wanted..A white supremacist and white nationalist running the country....just like in the bad old days and republican/conservatives are happy...congratulations. If musk gets his way UBI will be inevitable and YOU'LL be affected one way or the other..

 

[Fuckallyall]

talk about moving the goalposts you were happy trump and bump got in! You wanna make distinctions between democrats/liberals and republicans/conservatives? Well that white supremacist bought a conservative presidency and set himself up right next to the oval office.. republican/conservatives co-signed that white supremacist every step of the way AND gave him a consulting job where he gets to directly influence the executive branch of fed govt. Hell he already punked conservatives on a congressional vote and doge isnt even real yet.

And there are multiple posts where you cheerled the whole thing this past election. You got what you wanted..A white supremacist and white nationalist running the country....just like in the bad old days and republican/conservatives are happy...congratulations. If musk gets his way UBI will be inevitable and YOU'LL be affected one way or the other..

Stop the bullshit and defend supporting MAGA, or STFU!!!!

 

[geechiedan]

Stop the bullshit and defend supporting MAGA, or STFU!!!!

you troll horribly and debate even worse...

 

[Fuckallyall]

you troll horribly and debate even worse...

Your mother. You fuckheads can't take your own medicine, you bitches. Now delete your profile, you MAGA dick rider. You addressed nothing, and I'm a bad debater? GTFOH

 

[geechiedan]

Your mother. You fuckheads can't take your own medicine, you bitches. Now delete your profile, you MAGA dick rider. You addressed nothing, and I'm a bad debater? GTFOH

your going to get your own medicine...in less than a week president musk is gonna take charge

 

[RoadRage]

Let me break this down: What would you do if you were a basketball player in the NBA, you were forced to make only 100 g's a year due to universal basic income, or you could move to France and make ten million? Now imagine the top doctors, the top businessmen, the top engineers, the top programmers, the top scientists all faced with similar decisions and deciding to break out, how long do you think this country would be able to be productive and compete in the world market?

 

[geechiedan]

Let me break this down: What would you do if you were a basketball player in the NBA, you were forced to make only 100 g's a year due to universal basic income, or you could move to France and make ten million? Now imagine the top doctors, the top businessmen, the top engineers, the top programmers, the top scientists all faced with similar decisions and deciding to break out, how long do you think this country would be able to be productive and compete in the world market?

The US wouldnt be the only country doing UBI....put it this way...if the US is doing UBI thats a global tipping point.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

covid was the national test...we ALL been on UBI for the last year,.. it's no longer theoretical.....It's FEASIBLE!

if I was andrew yang I'd be on a I TOLD YOU SO tour

Andrew Yang's plan would have destroyed the country.

Pulling UBI from the tech industry would have given these companies power of life and death over much of us. If Elon wants to put a brain chip in everybody's head who would be able to stop them at that point? Think of how much power these companies have now and imagine them with even more.

1 cent tax on electronic stock trades would be even worse. Especially since most of these trades are made by bots scanning articles in the Wall Street journal and Forbes for keywords. It's essentially gambling on the US economy and any politician looking for the broke vote would encourage more of this destructive practice.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

The US wouldnt be the only country doing UBI....put it this way...if the US is doing UBI thats a global tipping point.

The Alaska permanent fund has been providing a universal basic income for nearly 50 years. And people wonder why we can't get off oil

 

[geechiedan]

Andrew Yang's plan would have destroyed the country.

Pulling UBI from the tech industry would have given these companies power of life and death over much of us. If Elon wants to put a brain chip in everybody's head who would be able to stop them at that point? Think of how much power these companies have now and imagine them with even more.

1 cent tax on electronic stock trades would be even worse. Especially since most of these trades are made by bots scanning articles in the Wall Street journal and Forbes for keywords. It's essentially gambling on the US economy and any politician looking for the broke vote would encourage more of this destructive practice.

I'm not sure what your argument is...on the one hand you want smaller govt but that means a presumably robust private sector..but its the private sector thats creating AI and robots thats taking all the more basic human labor jobs. The govts not creating the need for UBI the private industry is...namely tech. So which do you want...a government that will block or cap that development or a government that will respond to the needs of its citizens when the AI take over happens???

 

[Dannyblueyes]

I'm not sure what your argument is...on the one hand you want smaller govt but that means a presumably robust private sector..but its the private sector thats creating AI and robots thats taking all the more basic human labor jobs. The govts not creating the need for UBI the private industry is...namely tech. So which do you want...a government that will block or cap that development or a government that will respond to the needs of its citizens when the AI take over happens???

I want the government to stop bending over for big tech. Stand up to Apple, Meta and Google and say "we have affirmative action laws in this country and your staff looks like a bottle of milk. We're not having it anymore. Also, we're breaking up your monopolies and taking you to court for invasion of privacy."

But the government can't do that if half their voters are depending on these companies for food and shelter.

 

[geechiedan]

I want the government to stop bending over for big tech. Stand up to Apple, Meta and Google and say "we have affirmative action laws in this country and your staff looks like a bottle of milk. We're not having it anymore. Also, we're breaking up your monopolies and taking you to court for invasion of privacy."

But the government can't do that if half their voters are depending on these companies for food and shelter.

okay...but nothing in your post says the govt should curtail the development of AI and robots that can take over human tasks.

 

[tajshan]

okay...but nothing in your post says the govt should curtail the development of AI and robots that can take over human tasks.

And if that does happen and millions of people out of work with no support, the fallout could make Jan 6 of 2021 look like a elementary school assembly.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

okay...but nothing in your post says the govt should curtail the development of AI and robots that can take over human tasks.

Because I've been hearing how "robots are coming for your jobs" since I was a child. Somehow 97% of us are still employed. In the late 90s I heard news reports of how McDonald's was going to completely automate their workforce and advertise their food as "untouched by human hands." 30 years later the farthest they got was replacing cashiers with kiosks. AI DJs have been a thing since the early 2000s, yet somehow the market for human DJ's is bigger than it's ever been.

So I don't buy this idea that we should scrape and bow to our tech overlords and beg them to cut us a check. Instead I would rather fight for these companies to provide better wages and benefits for their employees. Hold them accountable for their lack of diversity and anti-competitive practices.

 

[geechiedan]

Because I've been hearing how "robots are coming for your jobs" since I was a child. Somehow 97% of us are still employed. In the late 90s I heard news reports of how McDonald's was going to completely automate their workforce and advertise their food as "untouched by human hands." 30 years later the farthest they got was replacing cashiers with kiosks. AI DJs have been a thing since the early 2000s, yet somehow the market for human DJ's is bigger than it's ever been.

So I don't buy this idea that we should scrape and bow to our tech overlords and beg them to cut us a check. Instead I would rather fight for these companies to provide better wages and benefits for their employees. Hold them accountable for their lack of diversity and anti-competitive practices.

I dont know how old you are but I'm willing to bet when you were a child, todays technology was something you saw in scifi movies and tv shows only to denote the future and not the near future either...200-400 years from now or an alternate universe!

hell your grandparents saw this in the comic section of the newspaper in the 1940s!

On January 13, 1946,[2] Gould changed Dick Tracy forever with the introduction of the 2-Way Wrist Radio, having drawn inspiration from a visit to inventor Al Gross. This seminal communications device, worn as a wristwatch by Tracy and members of the police force, became one of the strip's most immediately recognizable icons, and can be thought of as a precursor to later technological developments, such as cellular phones. The 2-Way Wrist Radio was upgraded to a 2-Way Wrist TV in 1964. This development also led to the introduction of an important supporting character, Diet Smith, an eccentric industrialist who financed the development of this equipment.

and YOU have it today... I can almost guarantee your grand parents said the same thing you said in their time..


we have no clue what the 50 years will look or be like but we do know one thing...technology is advancing at an exponential rate. And it WILL affect how do things.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

I dont know how old you are but I'm willing to bet when you were a child, todays technology was something you saw in scifi movies and tv shows only to denote the future and not the near future either...200-400 years from now or an alternate universe!

hell your grandparents saw this in the comic section of the newspaper in the 1940s!

On January 13, 1946,[2] Gould changed Dick Tracy forever with the introduction of the 2-Way Wrist Radio, having drawn inspiration from a visit to inventor Al Gross. This seminal communications device, worn as a wristwatch by Tracy and members of the police force, became one of the strip's most immediately recognizable icons, and can be thought of as a precursor to later technological developments, such as cellular phones. The 2-Way Wrist Radio was upgraded to a 2-Way Wrist TV in 1964. This development also led to the introduction of an important supporting character, Diet Smith, an eccentric industrialist who financed the development of this equipment.

and YOU have it today... I can almost guarantee your grand parents said the same thing you said in their time..


we have no clue what the 50 years will look or be like but we do know one thing...technology is advancing at an exponential rate. And it WILL affect how do things.

I grew up on Star Trek reruns which spawned computer disks, flip phones, tablets, SIRI and a few other inventions. None of them cost anyone a job.

Biggest invention in my lifetime was the world wide web. Technology that probably created two jobs for every one lost.

I remember how self checkout stands were supposed to replace cashiers. They almost did until shoplifters figured out how to ring up ribeye steak as a pound of potatoes. Now stores are scrambling to get their cashiers back.

There's been some impressive inventions in the first quarter of the 21st century, but it's nowhere near the pace we set in the 20th. Case in point, in world war one we used horses to drag cannons into the trenches. Only 30 years later a plane takes off from an aircraft carrier and drops a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima.

We don't have the same level of innovation because tech monopolies have deliberately strangled it. So I'm not worried about them eliminating everyone's job.

 

[geechiedan]

I grew up on Star Trek reruns which spawned computer disks, flip phones, tablets, SIRI and a few other inventions. None of them cost anyone a job.

Biggest invention in my lifetime was the world wide web. Technology that probably created two jobs for every one lost.

I remember how self checkout stands were supposed to replace cashiers. They almost did until shoplifters figured out how to ring up ribeye steak as a pound of potatoes. Now stores are scrambling to get their cashiers back.

There's been some impressive inventions in the first quarter of the 21st century, but it's nowhere near the pace we set in the 20th. Case in point, in world war one we used horses to drag cannons into the trenches. Only 30 years later a plane takes off from an aircraft carrier and drops a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima.

We don't have the same level of innovation because tech monopolies have deliberately strangled it. So I'm not worried about them eliminating everyone's job.

employment looks good ON PAPER but in the last 50 years each generation has done worse than their parents. kids are living at home much longer than before and alot of those emplymnet stats are part time and gig work. many might be employed but not GAINFULLY. And there's nothing in the future that looks like that is going to change.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

employment looks good ON PAPER but in the last 50 years each generation has done worse than their parents. kids are living at home much longer than before and alot of those emplymnet stats are part time and gig work. many might be employed but not GAINFULLY. And there's nothing in the future that looks like that is going to change.

On average, Americans work more hours per week than any other developed country. Gig companies, like uber, doordash, and instacart, under report their hours to screw over the workers.

In short, more Americans are working more hours then they have in the last century.

Each generation has been doing worse in the last 50 years, but that's partially because boomers were raised during a time when Japan and Western Europe were bombed to shit and America was the world's factory. Those days are long over and probably won't come back.

Then there was Reaganomics, union busting, corporate tax cuts, financial deregulation, and worst of all, monopolies like we haven't seen since the gilded age.

Fixing these structural issues will put people in a position where they no longer need UBI. Ironically, it will also spark a new wave of innovation which will employ more people than ever before.

 

[geechiedan]

On average, Americans work more hours per week than any other developed country. Gig companies, like uber, doordash, and instacart, under report their hours to screw over the workers.

and you dont think slef driving cars doesnt fit into that equation??

In short, more Americans are working more hours then they have in the last century.

Each generation has been doing worse in the last 50 years, but that's partially because boomers were raised during a time when Japan and Western Europe were bombed to shit and America was the world's factory. Those days are long over and probably won't come back.

Then there was Reaganomics, union busting, corporate tax cuts, financial deregulation, and worst of all, monopolies like we haven't seen since the gilded age.

Fixing these structural issues will put people in a position where they no longer need UBI. Ironically, it will also spark a new wave of innovation which will employ more people than ever before.

this is a wishlist that doesnt factor in greed and there are people who profit from misery and double dealing people.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

and you don't think self driving cars doesn't fit into that equation??

Self-driving cars will likely replace rideshare drivers, but then again, without smartphones rideshare drivers wouldn't exist in the first place.

I would also point out that many rideshare drivers pick up doordash and instacart orders between trips. The tech and infrastructure needed to replace these functions is nowhere near ready.

Generally speaking, tech creates jobs and eliminates tasks

 

[Dannyblueyes]

this is a wishlist that doesnt factor in greed and there are people who profit from misery and double dealing people.

Yes it does!

In the 19th century John D Rockefeller's Standard Oil controlled 90% of the American refining market. He was worth $1.5 billion at the time which would be well over $200 billion today.

The government still broke up his monopoly and at one point threatened to criminally prosecute him. It led to the creation of gasoline companies like Exxon and Chevron.

Henry Ford was sued by ALAM for violating patents on the automobile. He argued that it was a trust, won the case, and created the modern automobile industry we have today.

Daryl Zanuck moved his movie production to Southern California to get away from Thomas Edison's monopoly on motion picture technology. Ended up creating the biggest entertainment industry in the world.

30 years ago Steve Jobs got a $100 million cash infusion from Microsoft because Bill Gates realized he'd face possible antitrust action if Apple went bankrupt. It created a revolution in consumer tech.

The rules have already been written. They've already taken down powerful companies. We just need a government with the backbone to enforce them.

 

[geechiedan]

Yes it does!

In the 19th century John D Rockefeller's Standard Oil controlled 90% of the American refining market. He was worth $1.5 billion at the time which would be well over $200 billion today.

The government still broke up his monopoly and at one point threatened to criminally prosecute him. It led to the creation of gasoline companies like Exxon and Chevron.

Henry Ford was sued by ALAM for violating patents on the automobile. He argued that it was a trust, won the case, and created the modern automobile industry we have today.

Daryl Zanuck moved his movie production to Southern California to get away from Thomas Edison's monopoly on motion picture technology. Ended up creating the biggest entertainment industry in the world.

30 years ago Steve Jobs got a $100 million cash infusion from Microsoft because Bill Gates realized he'd face possible antitrust action if Apple went bankrupt. It created a revolution in consumer tech.

The rules have already been written. They've already taken down powerful companies. We just need a government with the backbone to enforce them.

you aint hearing me dude..its not lack of backbone its a CHOICE. And in 3 days we're going to have a president and his "consultant" who will accelerate this issue.

musk is a lot of things but he aint a shit talker..you dont have to be when your that rich and powerful. If he's saying UBI is inevitable its because he's doing shit to make it happen.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

you aint hearing me dude..its not lack of backbone its a CHOICE. And in 3 days we're going to have a president and his "consultant" who will accelerate this issue.

musk is a lot of things but he aint a shit talker..you dont have to be when your that rich and powerful. If he's saying UBI is inevitable its because he's doing shit to make it happen.

Musk isn't a shit talker? The guy who bought Twitter with money he made trolling dogecoin? Are you sure we're talking about the same person?

He's not completely wrong though. It's worth noting that Andrew Yang's campaign got nearly $700,000 from Alphabet, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft. Clearly big tech supports UBI and Musk knows it too.

Which is why it can't happen! We have the blueprint to stop it and it needs to be enacted now!

Little off topic, isn't it interesting how much Trump's second term mirrors President McKinley's? He's in the pocket of robber barons, wants to enrich America with a sharp tariff, wants to buy or conquer foreign lands, intellect's campaign contributions from the same trusts he's supposed to be busting.

I wonder if his campaign will end the same way McKinley's did too.

 

[geechiedan]

Musk isn't a shit talker? The guy who bought Twitter with money he made trolling dogecoin? Are you sure we're talking about the same person?

by shit talker I mean someone whos not serious or says something but as no intention of doing that thing. That is not musk or any billionaire when you think about it.

He's not completely wrong though. It's worth noting that Andrew Yang's campaign got nearly $700,000 from Alphabet, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft. Clearly big tech supports UBI and Musk knows it too.

Which is why it can't happen! We have the blueprint to stop it and it needs to be enacted now!

do you actually believe trumps going to do that???

Little off topic, isn't it interesting how much Trump's second term mirrors President McKinley's? He's in the pocket of robber barons, wants to enrich America with a sharp tariff, wants to buy or conquer foreign lands, intellect's campaign contributions from the same trusts he's supposed to be busting.

I wonder if his campaign will end the same way McKinley's did too.

 

[Piff Henderson]

The Alaska permanent fund has been providing a universal basic income for nearly 50 years. And people wonder why we can't get off oil

We can't get off oil because politicians are in the pockets of oil barons. Alaska has the smallest population of all the states. The citizens receiving a checks from the government isn't what's deciding the energy policy. Politicians receiving checks from oil and gas companies is.