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Verzuz Announces Jeezy Against Gucci Mane
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Dam skippy.. brah
Props to Jeezy. Not sure I could get on stage with a dude that killed my homie. Especially if I had something to do with it.
I don’t think they went to kill Gucci, but to rob him. In the end, that unfortunate incident ended up pushing Gucci’s career.
I don’t think they went to kill Gucci, but to rob him. In the end, that unfortunate incident ended up pushing Gucci’s career.
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I'm not going to say props to Jeezy, but we are kind of on the same page from what I understand the story to be.
I'm not taking sides but I feel like people are giving Jeezy way to much credit when you factor in the fact that he indirectly got his man killed. Jezzy maybe more responsible than Gucci for his friends death. Honestly Gucci did what any of us would do if someone came in our home.
In fact it could be argued that Gucci is more stand up for getting on the stage with someone who potentially almost got him killed. If it were me I'd never let that go and I'm not doing a let's stop the violence campaign with you. At best it would just be a live and let live agreement. I don't know if Gucci had any bodies before that event but he probably had PTSD just from them running up in his house alone. Again I don't know Gucci’s history but some people can't handle killing someone even if it was in self defense. What if part of the behavior seen from Gucci was more so him not being able to deal with the trauma from that event caused directly or indirectly by Jeezy.
Lastly has Jeezy ever said he felt guilty about potentially causing his friends death? Now if Jezzy didn't know that the robbery was going to happen he doesn't have anything to regret. At best he put a line in a song and someone unfortunately took it seriously. While its still fucked up and I'm indirectly responsible for the person's death. I don't know that I'm loosing sleep over another man's decision long-term. Also, how close of a friend was the guy who died? There is a difference between being close to someone and a friend that leans more towards being an associate. You may feel bad at the time but you maybe able to get over losing an associate in time especially given the suspected lifestyle they were living.
"Rest in peace to Pookie Loc blame it on me never snitching / Lord knows I ain't send the homie on no dummy mission"
I'll listen to the song later but reading the line it seems to say he didn't send his friend to do anything. I'm not entirely sure about the blame on me never snitching part. I'm taking it that he may be talking to friends/family that are saying he is responsible for his friends death and him saying its not on him. The not snitching part; maybe he doesn't want to speak on what he is aware as far as the events that led to his friends death.
Like I said earlier I personally would feel bad for the line in the song, but I can't regret the actions of someone else long-term. Now if Jeezy was aware and didn't stop him from going i could understand feeling remorseful. Based off the line as I understand it, I'm not sure Jeezy is taking responsibility or feels remorseful for his friends death.
On Gucci’s end, its understandable that he doesn't believe Jezzy or still holds him responsible. You made a line in a song and at some point your friend shows up at my house. I wouldn't believe you didn't have a clue either but it's not impossible. People are their own man/woman and do act without others signing off on things.
How I see it, Jeezy has the most to still harbor anger over. Not so much in Gucci killing his friend in self defense but how he continues to be disrespectful about it.
The incident was really dangerous but there isn’t really evidence that the intent was to kill Gucci like he keeps claiming. It appears that the intent was to rob him and the subsequent struggle led to someone losing their life. The incident also made Gucci’s career. That incident propelled his career more that the quality of the music he was making at that time.
The incident was really dangerous but there isn’t really evidence that the intent was to kill Gucci like he keeps claiming. It appears that the intent was to rob him and the subsequent struggle led to someone losing their life. The incident also made Gucci’s career. That incident propelled his career more that the quality of the music he was making at that time.
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I respectful disagree to a certain extent.even if Jeezy man didn't intend on killing Gucci, it was no way for Gucci to know that. They didn't find Gucci on the street. They run up in the house to at best rob him. If Gucci feels like Jeezy at the very least knew what was going to happen and didn't stop it or warn him, he's holding Jeezy accountable. I understand not letting that go if you feel like someone was sent to rob or harm you.
I agree with Jeezy maybe understanding his man being killed and him feeling some type of way about it being thrown in his face.
I always assumed they went there to kill Gucci. It never dawned on me that they were only going to rob him. I do remember Jeezy put a bounty on his chain on "Stay Strapped", but not on his head.
Robberies and that dangers that come with it are a fairly frequent occurrence in the Rap game. It’s definitely wrong but if nobody got killed, we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
Nah, it would be cool. Last November I saw Quik perform in Riverside, Ca., Kurupt was the opening act and Eiht was on stage with em.
So, during Quik's set he starts to perform Dollaz +Sense and when it got to the part that goes "1,2,3,4,5,6,7..." he cut the beat. He started talking about the situation and said everything was alright between them. He said he thinks Eiht had already left, but he wanted to let him know he looked up to him when he was younger. In Quik's own words "when I first heard him, I was like 'cuz iz hot,' and y'all know I ain't supposed to say that."
Didn't even finish the rest of the song.
Jeezy denies his involvement in sending him.
Honestly, I think it's the same thing. Someone runs up your house, regardless of the intention, you have to assume they're coming in to kill you. And if you run up in someone's house to take their chain, you have to assume that you might have to kill them to take it, right?
I really think only Gucci has the right to feel some way about it. I'm not taking sides, but on the surface, Gucci in the crib minding his business. He didn't initiate any of the shit. He just ended it. I honestly think it's irrelevant whether Jeezy "sent" him or not.
You have to look at the situation from Gucci’s view point though. Gucci is the person who was targeted and he escaped the situation. He doesn't seem to care that its industry standard that artists get robbed or that he wasn't seriously hurt. Even though it worked out for him and he is viewed in a certain light, Gucci was the victim and doesn't necessarily need to let it go.
I’m STILL smoking on a Pookie Loc pack
Robberies are usually done with deadly weapons.
Assuming that is true Jezzy still put the line in the song and unlike other genres of music or entertainment in general rap has this blurred line. The optics just don't look good and i can understand someone not believing you didn't have a clue. At worse Jezzy indirectly cosigned Gucci getting robbed with the line especially given that everyone involved is supposedly a street guy. He may have just been talking shit but clearly this wasn't communicated to his camp.
I respect how both people are handling it, but I just don't agree with the internet saying Jezzy is some how being the bigger man as if he or his man was the victim. Now if Jezzy apologized to Gucci and took responsibility for his man's death i could see him being seen as being more mature than Gucci. I'm not in any way saying Gucci behavior was right; I just understand where he is coming from.
It makes me believe people don't know exactly what happened and they think Jezzy's man was some how the victim because he died. Not that I know by any means but I'm just basing my thoughts off of the story that both seem to more or less agree on.
3-6 vs the Dungeon family...you have to put them up against a force that changed the culture 3-6 did that and so did the Dungeon family but it can't just be them they need to do 15-20 piece against each other with it featuring a different artist for every round that was a hit underneath their umbrella at some point....other than that no one can match up with 3-6 fairly.
A Miami vs ATL,with the Bass thing that would crazy,Miami would win but it would be a good battle and people would know about artist and songs they never heard of at the same damn time.
A Miami vs ATL,with the Bass thing that would crazy,Miami would win but it would be a good battle and people would know about artist and songs they never heard of at the same damn time.
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My take is that Gucci does not really believe Jeezy sent him. If Gucci honestly believed that Jeezy directly ordered someone to rob/kill him then there is no way in Hell that he would perform on the same stage as that man. Gucci would have increased the streams and promoted the new album of a man who tried to have him murdered, don't think so.
This is just a guess, but I think Gucci has probably gotten enough info from enough people to know that Jeezey did not directly order anyone to do anything but Gucci is going to use the incident to try and make Jeezy look as bad as possible because the line in stay strapped was reckless and because he been beefing with Jeezy anyway. Gucci has used the incident to boost his own career and discredit his rival, which I may add, he has every right to do.
Gucci has every right to feel however he wants about the situation but I will say that playing the diss records and talking slick during the Verzus could have caused the two camps to do something stupid and get an innocent person hurt. This is where Jeezy gets props for diffusing the situation and keeping it peaceful. And Gucci cleaned everything up at the very end. Hopefully this beef can finally be put to rest.
This is just a guess, but I think Gucci has probably gotten enough info from enough people to know that Jeezey did not directly order anyone to do anything but Gucci is going to use the incident to try and make Jeezy look as bad as possible because the line in stay strapped was reckless and because he been beefing with Jeezy anyway. Gucci has used the incident to boost his own career and discredit his rival, which I may add, he has every right to do.
Gucci has every right to feel however he wants about the situation but I will say that playing the diss records and talking slick during the Verzus could have caused the two camps to do something stupid and get an innocent person hurt. This is where Jeezy gets props for diffusing the situation and keeping it peaceful. And Gucci cleaned everything up at the very end. Hopefully this beef can finally be put to rest.
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What you are saying could be true.
I could see Gucci showing up because at the end of the day in his mind he won that battle and he won the war of the streets long term. I could be wrong but Gucci doesn't strike me as the type that cares about the mainstream rap world. Even if you believe Jezzy is the better and bigger artist, people from ATL may still believe Gucci is the bigger star. From my understanding, the new ATL rap acts look at Gucci as their mentor/big bro/OG etc... and he seems to work with them more. Jezzy isn't necessarily seen in the same light especially since people seem to believe Jezzy supposedly turned his back on some people.
Gucci didn't have anything to lose by showing up and he gets to remind the world Jezzy is more rapper than street. We may not agree with it but he took it a step further by proving Jezzy is less street by talking shit in his face and Jezzy not responding. Gucci not only cares about the streets but to some extent is dependent on it to continue his career on some levels. This was just another opportunity for him to certify that part of his legacy and get paid to make Jezzy look bad to the streets again.
As far as people's safety being at risk, supposedly Jezzy and Gucci talked before the battle. Jezzy knew there was a high chance that the truth would be played because Gucci wouldn't agree to do the show unless he could speak freely. Not saying something couldn't have happened anyway but Jezzy and those around him were mentally prepared. Also, I don't believe Gucci to be dumb. You never know when emotions will overcome common sense but Gucci probably was confident Jezzy wouldn't allow anything to happen from his camp given Jezzy is trying to reinvent himself and move further away from his street roots.
Had to edit for my other reason for Gucci showing up even if he didn't believe Jezzy. Originally it was supposed to be Jezzy vs TI. Zjezzy went on the Breakfast Club and send he reached out to Gucci but Gucci respectfully declined. In my mind, because Gucci considers himself to be more street than rapper he couldn't take the chance of his character being questioned by other street people. Indirectly Jezzy kind of forced Gucci’s hand by making their talk public. I believe the battle wouldn't have happened if Jeezy would have kept that talk private.
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Good point as to the fact that Gucci only seemed to agree to the Vezus after Jezzy publicly announced that originally Gucci respectfully declined. Gucci might have thought that made him look a certain way in the streets so he reversed course. However, Gucci does not seem to give a fuck what anybody thinks anyway so we'll never really know his motivation for doing the battle. I will say the way Gucci thanked Jeezy at the end for extending the olive branch makes me believe that Gucci does not hold Jezzy directly accountable for what went down back in the day.
Fuck all the post versus comments about Gucci being disrespectful. Whether Jezzy knew his boy were gonna hot Gucci or not. Jezzy needed to be a bigger man and apologize. The rules on the street are simple if your soldiers violate, you earn a problem. Gucci can still talk his shit because a apology was never sent to Gucci about the incident. You can’t challenge Gucci to a battle and know he still feel some way about Niccas trying to set him up. He had to drop Truth because that’s how we ended up here. Gucci was the bigger man by giving Jezzy some shine before his album drop and performing So Icey with Jezzy signaling the end of the beef.
Name is JEEZY
True... brah
Fuck all the posts co-signing Gucci’s dry snitching. If you think Jeezy sent his people after you, handle it. Don’t make songs about it, see him about it. You go and handle it or send your people to handle it.
Also Gucci wrestled the gun away from dude and shot, don’t act like you walked a nigga down. Dem niggas was wrastlin and a shot went off.