I mean in terms of something going wrong.
I can give you a few rappers who got shot or they man tot shot. Anything can happen if they come to snatch your chain.
Verzuz Announces Jeezy Against Gucci Mane
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I can give you a few rappers who got shot or they man tot shot. Anything can happen if they come to snatch your chain.
You gotta do 3-6 vs Bone
Keisha was telling them not to listen an tried to get people on board but that shit ain't work. Only people with masks on were 60+ crowdWe have never had a shut down hereRepublican Governor said fuck that and everyone followed suit
I don't deny he got hits. I'm just saying Timberlake got classics with TImbo and Neptunes.
Not denying that I'm just saying there was a time when robbing a rapper was considered easy money. You didn't have to worry about them calling the laws or nothing like that. They took Gucci for granted and didn't know how crazy he was.
Yeah that specific situation. Get what you saying.
But my point is if you put money on my chain u also put money on my life
I mean yeah that's how we view it but that ain't how a ignant dude thinking. Its like people who rob banks. They really think they gonna get away with that money and live a lavish lifestyle. You not. But people don't think about what can go wrong they think easy lick.
The Fresh Prince vs Mc Hammer?
No way, Eminem has too many white worshippers and coons who will vouch for him no matter what, my point is that what makes these niggas so above the culture? Because of money? That's like niggas who gave Bron a pass for never being in a dunk contest when MJ, Kobe, Dr J participated, as if he has so much more to lose than any body else, y'all cats treat niggas like demigods because they got money, the Verzuz is for the fans, not to stroke their fragile ego, whatever opinion someone has is no worse than what tons of YouTubers would say when they drop an album or single
Mafia would win because they lasted longer. And Bone was my favorite group back then. They got 2 classic albums and thats it. Three six got way too many joints that go hard.
im not really sure what you are talking about or trying to say; no one is giving these dudes passes or obsessing over their money; just stating that there is no way the top dudes do a versus; in their minds there is no benefit for them...
Should've been DJ Paul & Juicy J vs. Mannie Fresh, that shit would've been so live.
I'll take Paul & J vs. KLC & Beats By The Pound
I'll take Paul & J vs. KLC & Beats By The Pound
The Fresh Prince vs Mc Hammer?
Like I said I am not a fan of either. Just because I don't like them does not lessen their impact.
What I was trying to imply is that EPMD had some beats that were not the conventional east coast sound of that era. That is why people outside of NYC fucked with them. Nothing personal at all from me, sorry if you took that as a slight. In fact the industry was at it's best when NYC ran it IMO. However the snob NYC rap attitude back in the golden era was a turn off to the rest of the country.
Them some boring ass battles.I could actually see Rakim and Kane doing it though. That would be a good battle but I don't know if it would get the numbers Versus seems to want.
You under estimate the fans. Yes fans actually existed before the 2000's and they are still alive hard to believer right............ Just because those battles are boring to you don't mean they are boring to others.
I'm just basing it on the battles we've seen thus far. Big Daddy Kane and Rakim makes sense. I think there might be a audience. I say this as if they are cutting checks....if they got these people doing it for free then shit I could see them happening.
All of them will get audiences. The only people who will not be hyped are the ones who are unfamiliar. I respect what you said though. The battles regardless of who knows or familiarity could be better presented. A good promotional campaign would help.
The Gucci Mane-Jeezy Verzuz Did Not Let Sleeping Dogs Lie
By Lawrence Burney
Jeezy raps at the battle. Photo: Instagram/VerzuzTV
Historically, Verzuz has been the stage for the mainstream heavy hitters, artists who have excelled commercially for decades: Brandy vs. Monica, Teddy Riley vs. Babyface, Patti LaBelle vs. Gladys Knight. Because of that, audiences have almost exclusively chosen the “victors” based on their commercial success. By that measure, Jeezy earned an easy win in Thursday’s clash with his fellow trap deity, Gucci Mane. But Gucci, an artist who has spent his career doing everything but play by the rules, took the only approach that made sense for him, breaking from the series’s convention by playing to the grit that his fans love and reminding his opponent that his mere continued existence is a victory.
The battle took place at Atlanta’s famed Magic City nightclub, where a lot of money has been tossed to both rappers’ lyrics. They sat in plush thrones on top of runway-like stages, Jeezy in a black ankle-length lambskin shearling over a matching basketball jersey, and Gucci in a more fashion-forward deep tan get up — point, Guwop. Instead of the event starting off with the tension that many anticipated — the pair’s…impassioned dislike for one another is so deep and long-running that even the idea of them coming together for a Verzuz battle felt laughable until the two actually walked out — a cloud of purely bizarre vibes persisted, including a surprise introduction from Stacey Abrams.
Half of the tracks Jeezy played were from his classic, double platinum 2005 major label debut Thug Motivation 101 — “Go Crazy,” “Standing Ovation,” “Get Ya Mind Right” — while only three came from the mixtapes that established his credibility in the genre: “Jeezy The Snowman,” “Trap Or Die,” and his verse on a remix of Shawty Lo’s “Dey Know.” His first four albums — all Shawn Carter-esque sermons on turning an illegal hustle into a legitimate empire — are certified platinum, he has four Grammy nominations, and his 2008 track “My President” ushered in Barack Obama’s first term. But he’s had barely any impact on the trap diaspora. Gucci Mane, on the other hand, has too many mixtapes to name (more than six dozen and counting), but not a single platinum album, and spent so much time in and out of prison that he had a hard time achieving mainstream stardom. Still, he undeniably laid the foundation of both trap and its successor, drill. And while he did play some of his better-known street hits — “Bricks”, “Photoshoot”, and the cult classic unbothered redemption song “First Day Out” — as well as big mainstream songs like “Lemonade” and “Wasted,” things came to a tense, screeching halt when Gucci performed a handful of his many Jeezy disses, including “Truth,” the infamous 2012 track that instructs Jeezy to disinter his friend Pookie Loc, who tried to kill Gucci in 2005 over a song that dropped that year, “Icy.”
The Zaytoven-produced single featured both (then, Young) Jeezy, rap’s hottest newcomer at the time, and Gucci, catapulting the latter beyond his renown in Atlanta’s rap scene onto popular cable television music video countdown shows and the Billboard charts. The two meshed well on the record, with both incorporating hilariously elongated ad libs — Jeezy’s “Yeeeaaahhhhh” and Gucci’s similar, but more squawky “Yaaaahhh” — that presaged a new trend in rap, and the video felt like an homage to the hood-rich activities of legendary New Orleans record labels No Limit and Cash Money. Everything went to shit from there, though. By some accounts, they fought to claim the track for their respective albums; by others, Gucci felt slighted when Jeezy turned down an offer to perform the song together live because of a throat injury. Regardless, the disagreement saw them exchanging diss records that year, including Jeezy’s “Stay Strapped,” on which he placed a $10,000 bounty on Gucci’s “So Icy” chain. Some of Jeezy’s associates came to collect, and Gucci killed one of them, Pookie Loc, in an act of self-defense.
Since then, more altercations (musically and otherwise) and empty gestures at moving past their differences have taken place. When Gucci doubled down on those sentiments last night and in the days leading up to the battle, going as far as to say that he’d do it all over again if given the chance, Jeezy took the high road and said that a 15-year-old incident shouldn’t have been brought into the equation, especially on the heels of rappers like King Von, Pop Smoke, and Nipsey Hussle recently losing their lives to gun violence. But refined Jeezy fell flat in those moments: He used his involvement in real estate investment, his platinum-selling records, and a “let’s move on” attitude to minimize Gucci’s inclination to have a no-holds-barred grudge match in favor of a disingenuous display of comradery. He’s long been a master at putting his own commercial success against Gucci’s repeated prison stints, admitted substance abuse, and sporadic behavior in order to portray Gucci as the menace in their saga. In a 2012 interview with LA’s Power 106 he said, “Everybody knows that boy is retarded. Ain’t nobody taking him seriously. He has an ice cream cone on his face, let’s be for real.” It’s a framing that absolves Jeezy of his alleged involvement in trying to take Gucci out and dismisses Gucci’s justifiable anger for almost being murdered. (In a Friday morning interview with The Breakfast Club, Jeezy said he has since worked tirelessly to hold himself accountable and grow.)
This is the first Verzuz battle in its short history that simultaneously made all the sense in the world and none at all. T.I. was originally supposed to be in Gucci’s place, and his mainstream stature would have been a more logical foil for Jeezy’s. But Gucci and Jeezy’s careers, running parallel on two sides of the same coin, is what made it compelling. Their Verzuz leaned into rap’s longtime awkwardness around translating the real violence, anger, and unresolved tension that feeds the genre’s energy into a spectacle, as if it were a professional wrestling match: By night’s end, after a handful of cringey (verbal) shots fired from both sides, the two performed “So Icy” together for the first time in 15 years. But instead of feeling like a burying of the hatchet, it was more like uncomfortably watching two old men trying to out-“Bigger Man” each other, halfway fuming, through deranged, phony grins of friendship.
By Lawrence Burney
Jeezy raps at the battle. Photo: Instagram/VerzuzTV
Historically, Verzuz has been the stage for the mainstream heavy hitters, artists who have excelled commercially for decades: Brandy vs. Monica, Teddy Riley vs. Babyface, Patti LaBelle vs. Gladys Knight. Because of that, audiences have almost exclusively chosen the “victors” based on their commercial success. By that measure, Jeezy earned an easy win in Thursday’s clash with his fellow trap deity, Gucci Mane. But Gucci, an artist who has spent his career doing everything but play by the rules, took the only approach that made sense for him, breaking from the series’s convention by playing to the grit that his fans love and reminding his opponent that his mere continued existence is a victory.
The battle took place at Atlanta’s famed Magic City nightclub, where a lot of money has been tossed to both rappers’ lyrics. They sat in plush thrones on top of runway-like stages, Jeezy in a black ankle-length lambskin shearling over a matching basketball jersey, and Gucci in a more fashion-forward deep tan get up — point, Guwop. Instead of the event starting off with the tension that many anticipated — the pair’s…impassioned dislike for one another is so deep and long-running that even the idea of them coming together for a Verzuz battle felt laughable until the two actually walked out — a cloud of purely bizarre vibes persisted, including a surprise introduction from Stacey Abrams.
Half of the tracks Jeezy played were from his classic, double platinum 2005 major label debut Thug Motivation 101 — “Go Crazy,” “Standing Ovation,” “Get Ya Mind Right” — while only three came from the mixtapes that established his credibility in the genre: “Jeezy The Snowman,” “Trap Or Die,” and his verse on a remix of Shawty Lo’s “Dey Know.” His first four albums — all Shawn Carter-esque sermons on turning an illegal hustle into a legitimate empire — are certified platinum, he has four Grammy nominations, and his 2008 track “My President” ushered in Barack Obama’s first term. But he’s had barely any impact on the trap diaspora. Gucci Mane, on the other hand, has too many mixtapes to name (more than six dozen and counting), but not a single platinum album, and spent so much time in and out of prison that he had a hard time achieving mainstream stardom. Still, he undeniably laid the foundation of both trap and its successor, drill. And while he did play some of his better-known street hits — “Bricks”, “Photoshoot”, and the cult classic unbothered redemption song “First Day Out” — as well as big mainstream songs like “Lemonade” and “Wasted,” things came to a tense, screeching halt when Gucci performed a handful of his many Jeezy disses, including “Truth,” the infamous 2012 track that instructs Jeezy to disinter his friend Pookie Loc, who tried to kill Gucci in 2005 over a song that dropped that year, “Icy.”
The Zaytoven-produced single featured both (then, Young) Jeezy, rap’s hottest newcomer at the time, and Gucci, catapulting the latter beyond his renown in Atlanta’s rap scene onto popular cable television music video countdown shows and the Billboard charts. The two meshed well on the record, with both incorporating hilariously elongated ad libs — Jeezy’s “Yeeeaaahhhhh” and Gucci’s similar, but more squawky “Yaaaahhh” — that presaged a new trend in rap, and the video felt like an homage to the hood-rich activities of legendary New Orleans record labels No Limit and Cash Money. Everything went to shit from there, though. By some accounts, they fought to claim the track for their respective albums; by others, Gucci felt slighted when Jeezy turned down an offer to perform the song together live because of a throat injury. Regardless, the disagreement saw them exchanging diss records that year, including Jeezy’s “Stay Strapped,” on which he placed a $10,000 bounty on Gucci’s “So Icy” chain. Some of Jeezy’s associates came to collect, and Gucci killed one of them, Pookie Loc, in an act of self-defense.
Since then, more altercations (musically and otherwise) and empty gestures at moving past their differences have taken place. When Gucci doubled down on those sentiments last night and in the days leading up to the battle, going as far as to say that he’d do it all over again if given the chance, Jeezy took the high road and said that a 15-year-old incident shouldn’t have been brought into the equation, especially on the heels of rappers like King Von, Pop Smoke, and Nipsey Hussle recently losing their lives to gun violence. But refined Jeezy fell flat in those moments: He used his involvement in real estate investment, his platinum-selling records, and a “let’s move on” attitude to minimize Gucci’s inclination to have a no-holds-barred grudge match in favor of a disingenuous display of comradery. He’s long been a master at putting his own commercial success against Gucci’s repeated prison stints, admitted substance abuse, and sporadic behavior in order to portray Gucci as the menace in their saga. In a 2012 interview with LA’s Power 106 he said, “Everybody knows that boy is retarded. Ain’t nobody taking him seriously. He has an ice cream cone on his face, let’s be for real.” It’s a framing that absolves Jeezy of his alleged involvement in trying to take Gucci out and dismisses Gucci’s justifiable anger for almost being murdered. (In a Friday morning interview with The Breakfast Club, Jeezy said he has since worked tirelessly to hold himself accountable and grow.)
This is the first Verzuz battle in its short history that simultaneously made all the sense in the world and none at all. T.I. was originally supposed to be in Gucci’s place, and his mainstream stature would have been a more logical foil for Jeezy’s. But Gucci and Jeezy’s careers, running parallel on two sides of the same coin, is what made it compelling. Their Verzuz leaned into rap’s longtime awkwardness around translating the real violence, anger, and unresolved tension that feeds the genre’s energy into a spectacle, as if it were a professional wrestling match: By night’s end, after a handful of cringey (verbal) shots fired from both sides, the two performed “So Icy” together for the first time in 15 years. But instead of feeling like a burying of the hatchet, it was more like uncomfortably watching two old men trying to out-“Bigger Man” each other, halfway fuming, through deranged, phony grins of friendship.
[Intro]
Ha
It's Gucci
Suckers keep on downing me
They know they should be crowning me
Hahaha
Yo
It's Guwop
Just counting paper (Just counting paper)
We're just counting the days, huh
[Verse 1]
80 chains going and ain't took one yet (Burr)
Ain't nothin' retarded 'bout Gucci but this gold Rolex (Huh)
A ten thousand dollar bounty put on my neck (Burr)
I hope you didn't pay them, 'cause they didn't have no success (Nope)
You seen my interview, nigga, and you got upset (R-I-P)
I seen your interview too, you looked oh-so-stressed
I think the nigga just mad 'cause I fucked his ex (Mwah)
And I'm a big dog, he got the lil' boy complex
Go dig your partner up, nigga, bet he can't say shit
And if you looking for the kid, I'll be in Zone 6 (Gucci)
I hit a birthday party fresh, you and your homeboy, Tip
I know y'all seen me over there with that black four-fif'
I bought a Bentley Mulsanne, it look just like Tip’s
But I never went platinum—do you catch my drift? (Skrrr!)
I never let a nigga do me like Tip did Flip (It's Gucci)
This the same shit that got Big and 2Pac killed, it's Gucci
[Interlude]
Haha
Okay
For the record, this is not a diss record
Just the truth
It's Gucci, the living legend
Oh, yeah
I'm a legend
Living legend, nigga
Respect that (Gucci)
Check!
[Verse 2]
I ain't playing with you, I ain't trying to dance with you (Fuck you)
I ain't using hands, let them rubberbands get you (Get 'em)
It take money to go to war, and we can go to war, nigga (Get 'em)
I ain't no real rapper, I'm a fucking gravedigger (Ha)
I'm a old-school fool, don't make me show my age, nigga
Grab a Louisville and turn it to a batting cage, nigga
I did a song with Keyshia Cole, and I know you still miss her (Yeah)
But Puff was fucking her while you was falling in love with her (Wow)
Call you to do a song, wouldn't even smoke no bud with you (Haha)
I was screaming "So Icey" and was a neighborhood nigga (Burr)
This AR is my backup 'cause I don't need nann nigga
Must didn't hear when Flocka said, "Let them guns blam, nigga!" (Bow, bow)
Used to drive to Birmingham with a lot of grams, nigga (Skrr!)
I'm just who I am, nigga, but I ain't sparing nann nigga
I know it's hard for you to sleep knowing you killed your homeboy
You left his son to be a bastard, won't even raise your own boy (Gucci)
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Royce Da 5'9" Applauds Jeezy Taking The High Road
After Jeezy took the high ground following Gucci Mane's inclusion of 'Truth,' Royce Da 5'9' took a moment to celebrate The Snowman's retreat. It goes without saying that Jeezy and Gucci Mane's historic Verzuz battle -- a duel that saw old wounds addressed head-on and new alliances forged -- has...
Jeezy is gonna forever have a hard time getting people to adjust to his grown man shit dude to how much he rapped about selling white....this was a solid effort though. It’s how you suppose to grow as a rapper. Not many have done it this well.
I feel like that ignores The Recession was Jeezy already growing up and we accepted that album with no qualifiers. Once Jeezy sticks to high quality beat selection and adlibs he could rap about anything and we would like it once it’s catchy. I think Recession 2 does a better job beat selection wise than pressure, autobiography tm104.
Continued growth from Jeezy. I don’t think he gets the respect her deserves considering his first 4 albums. That’s crazy consistency.
