Good point, ain’t none of her homies talking about she has a “Good heart” and wasn’t coming from a mean place.
They’re not even mentioning that she has “Jewish friends”!
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Good point, ain’t none of her homies talking about she has a “Good heart” and wasn’t coming from a mean place.
They’re not even mentioning that she has “Jewish friends”!
Well for one the Nazi did background checks. Plus they also killed people who they suspect were Jews but weren't. Yet that isn't the point.
The point is being a Jew is not a race but a religion and it is also considered an ethnicity.
Change the ethnically Jewish name to a non Jewish name and that person would just be considered white.
Think about this. In their culture if your mother is Jew, but the father isn't.Then you are Jewish too.
If your mother is non Jewish, but the father is. Then you aren't a Jew.
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I had no idea she had decided to double down.
Keep telling y’all that’s cheering on this”Cancel Culture/ de-platform” bullshit, it gone go both ways. Today it’s the muthafucka you don’t like. Tomorrow it’s the one you do.
That’s only southern Italians
This is not true.
Nazis studied the U.S. system of apartheid before they began persecuting Jews.
They actually found the "one drop rule" to which you refer, to be to drastic; in their
minds, the presence of SOME "aryan" blood qualified one as being "aryan".
There is a book: The Origins of Our Discontent-- Isabel Wilkerson
Why?
Because you do not live in a vacuum.
Why should anyone be prohibited from speaking on any subject
because of her/his skin color?
Makes no sense at all.
Some people need to be canceled, but this wasn’t one of those situations.
Because at this point in time, we as Black people don’t care if Jewish people are an ethnic group or a race. Even though most of believe that they’re not a race. We don’t care to let them know, because it’s not our issue.
That’s not our fight and educating those on the holocaust and the reasonings of hitler is also not our fight or our issue.
Perception and perspective is everything. It’s not that we’re prohibited from talking about anything, but what benefit was gained from speaking about it.
Get that dumb shit outta here. 1st there are plenty of "vacuums" that people live in. 2nd she's in the entertainment business and on TV. Everyone knows the fucking consequences of talking about them bitches. So why do it?? It's beyond stupid. 3rd who gives a fuck?? Like really shit gets old. She ain't jew or whatever you wanna call them. Stop comparing them to us because it's no comparison. They been got retribution and still are getting it. We haven't even gotten apologies yet....
Actually, it makes sense to understand what happened in WWII era Germany and why.
The parallels that exist between that time and place and this time in the USA are startling.
The reasoning behind the Jewish holocaust is very much our issue; it is the issue of every human
being, regardless of ethnicity, when confronted by ethnocentric fascism, which is very much the case today.
I fail to understand how isolating a group that makes up roughly 13% of the population, and pretending as though the
other 87% doesn't exist, is productive. Even a system of Black capitalism is doomed to subordination in a white supremacist framework. Why?
Black people don't control much in this country, opting to work FOR someone, usually a white someone, who determines whether he is able to feed his family, assuming he is making an attempt to do so.
Black people don't even control their own food supply, and are generally subject to the whims of whomever owns the largest
manual labor industry in town.
A sad state of affairs, but it is what it is.
Withdrawing from the rest of society, to "look to one's own, and only one's own", will gain nothing more than a collective yawn
and perhaps a giggle from the larger society.
And at the end of the day, you still need a job. And there is ZERO with respect to a Black infrastructure to facilitate political and economic and social growth: No Black banks to fund Black businesses, No Black organization building resources in Black communities (other than churches, which generally cater to their own membership), no Black community dedicated to SUPPORTING BLACK BUSINESSES. This has become a chicken and egg situation, I will admit.
Black Americans are not quite there yet. It is best to form alliances with other groups negatively affected by a white supremacist
nation.
Blacks, Mexicans, and Muslims together are far, far more formidable than 13% of the population that, after 400 years, still depends on the white man for his daily bread, and appears content to stay there.
I respect your opinion, and the reasoning behind it.
I just don't agree.
I respect your opinion, but it wasn’t the time, the place, or apparently the person that was needed to educate people on the reason for the holocaust or racial identity of the people involved.
Much of what you wrote has nothing to do with what I said. I was very clear, concise and to the point.
1. Black people in general aren’t interested in if Jews are an ethnic group or race. Although we believe that they’re an ethnic group.
2. Our job isn’t to educate those in the reason for the holocaust.
3. I said that we shouldn’t be prohibited from talking about anything. But speaking about Jews in Hollywood usually doesn’t bring positive results, especially when it’s questions or critiques something about them.
If I may... You do understand that these other groups you mention as possible allies will reap the benefit of our support and turn around and abandon us once they've benefited from our strength. Often in just one generation their children have realigned with the dominant culture. They've overcome their accents, sidelined their parents traditions/customs, and moved to the suburbs. They're assimilation allows them to capitalize on white privileged, because unlike us, with little effort they can move and look white. If it weren't for their last names you often wouldn't even know they are not anglo or arian.
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I cannot argue with this.
However, I will argue that what they do, after the objectives of the theoretical coalition are achieved, is immaterial.
Progress against systematic racism can be made, but strength in numbers in needed. I see no way around it.
Numbers are what they are.
I agree.
However, why give them the power to decide what you talk about?
I know it seems like a nit picking point, but once you let someone dictate
what you can an cannot say without retribution on one subject, there will
soon be another subject deemed taboo, perhaps only to you this time.
This is not conducive to an egalitarian society.
As for your other points, I find no fault with them.
They exploit our ancestors blood sweat and tears to insist on their civil rights which allow them to retain traditional garb, native languages, and ethnic customs while still securing fair housing and employment. Then when its convenient they or their children abandon the traditions as well as the struggle to ensure equality for everyone. They look and move white, which includes adopting a view that they are better than us, because of their skin color. Just as soon as their piece of the pie is within reach they turn away from those still denied, and often join in on our oppression.
Never
To be honest, I really never thought of the issue from this angle.
Again, I cannot argue with this. I will cogitate on this one.
Whoopi Goldberg returns to 'The View' after suspension, promises 'tough conversations'
Whoopi Goldberg returned to 'The View' after a two-week suspension and said 'we're going to keep having tough conversations.'
Whoopi Goldberg returns to 'The View' after suspension, promises 'tough conversations'
Whoopi Goldberg returned to 'The View' after a two-week suspension and said 'we're going to keep having tough conversations.'ew.com
She’s back already?
That was a fast two weeks
She’s back already?
That was a fast two weeks
betcha did not feel that way for Whoopi
Not all and she should’ve never been suspended.
AGREED
and interesting because after Nick Canon?
A LOT of prominent folk in the Jewish community were UPSET at the backlash
Why?
Because they did NOT want it perceived and basically PROVEN that Jewish people were ABOVE reproach or got immediate satisfaction
because you cannot be a sen or identified as an oppressed group if weld THAT kind of power.
Whoopi Goldberg Apologizes and Seemingly Doubles Down on Holocaust Comments
"I don't want to fake apologize. ... You can't call this racism," Goldberg said on 'The Late Show With Stephen Colbert.' "I think of race as being something that I can see. How can you say it's about race when you're fighting each other?"
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"I don't want to fake apologize. ... You can't call this racism," Goldberg said on 'The Late Show With Stephen Colbert.' "I think of race as being something that I can see. How can you say it's about race when you're fighting each other?"
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Whoopi Goldberg continued to receive criticism and provoke debate Tuesday after an appearance on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert where she elaborated — and some say doubled down — on her take on the Holocaust and Jewish identity.
The uproar began Monday when The View host and moderator discussed a Tennessee school district voting to pull Art Spiegelman’s Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel Maus, which is about the Holocaust, due to “inappropriate language” and nudity.
“Let’s be truthful about it because Holocaust isn’t about race,” Goldberg said on The View. “It’s not about race. It’s not about race. It’s about man’s inhumanity to man.”
Co-host Ana Navarro pointed out, “But it’s about white supremacists going after Jews.”
“But these are two white groups of people!” Goldberg said. “The minute you turn it into race it goes down this alley. Let’s talk about it for what it is. It’s how people treat each other. It doesn’t matter if you’re Black or white, Jews, it’s each other.”
Goldberg’s comments drew immediate backlash from some viewers, as well as from some Jewish leaders.
Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt tweeted: “No @WhoopiGoldberg, the #Holocaust was about the Nazi’s systematic annihilation of the Jewish people – who they deemed to be an inferior race. They dehumanized them and used this racist propaganda to justify slaughtering 6 million Jews. Holocaust distortion is dangerous. #ENOUGH.”
The official Auschwitz Memorial Twitter account messaged Goldberg with an online course about the Holocaust.
The US Holocaust Museum, in what seemed to be a Goldberg subtweet, wrote, “Racism was central to Nazi ideology. Jews were not defined by religion, but by race. Nazi racist beliefs fueled genocide and mass murder.”
American Jewish Committee CEO David Harris tweeted: “Whoopi Goldberg absurdly claims the #Holocaust ‘isn’t about race.’ Nazi Germany considered all Jews a ‘subhuman race.’ That’s why they wanted to exterminate the entire Jewish people, including my family, & almost succeeded. Please rethink & apologize.”
And Israeli writer Hen Mazzig tweeted, “Being Jewish means watching white nationalists call for your death because you’re ‘not white’ while ladies on national TV say the Holocaust was ‘white people killing white people…y’all go fight amongst yourselves.'”
Late Monday, Goldberg tweeted a formal apology for her comments, saying, “I’m sorry for the hurt that I have caused.” She also reiterated, “The Jewish people around the world have always had my support and that will never waiver [sic].”
Yet during her appearance on The Late Show, which was taped before she issued her apology, but aired after, Goldberg reiterated her apology and made it clear any offense was unintentional, yet also backed up her original statements by continuing to suggest race is only about skin color.
“It upset a lot of people, which was never ever, ever my intention,” she said. “I feel, being Black, when we talk about race, it’s a very different thing to me. So I said I thought the Holocaust wasn’t about race. And people got very angry and still are angry. I’m getting a lot of mail from folks and a lot of real anger. But I thought it was a salient discussion because as a Black person, I think of race as being something that I can see. So I see you and know what race you are. I thought it [the Holocaust] was more about man’s inhumanity to man. … People said, ‘No, no, we are a race.’ I felt differently. I respect everything everyone is saying to me.”
“I don’t want to fake apologize,” she said. “I am very upset that people misunderstood what I was saying. And because of it they are saying I am anti-Semitic and denying the Holocaust and all these other things that would never occur to me to do. I thought we were having a discussion about race, which everyone is having.”
Colbert noted that in the American experience, at least, racial issues have tended to be centered on skin color.
“Right, that’s what it means to me,” she said. “When you talk about being a racist, you can’t call this racism. This was evil. This wasn’t based on skin. You couldn’t tell who was Jewish. You had to delve deeply and figure it out.”
Colbert pointed out that when Nazis found out somebody was of the Jewish race, they made them wear stars so they could identify them.
“My point is: they had to do the work,” she said. “When the Klan is coming down the street and I’m standing with a Jewish friend — I’m going to run. But if my friend decides not to run, they’ll get passed by most times, because you can’t tell most times. … That’s what I was trying to explain. I understand not everybody sees it that way, and I did a lot of harm to myself and people decided I was all these other things that I’m not. I get it, folks are angry, I accept that, and I did it to myself, and I’ll work hard to not think that way again.”
Colbert asked her if she realizes that Nazis considered their attempt to exterminate the Jewish people very much a racial issue.
“This is what’s interesting to me: The Nazis lied,” she said. “They had issues with ethnicity. Most of the Nazis were white people and most of the people they were attacking were white people. So to me, I’m thinking, ‘How can you say it’s about race when you’re fighting each other?’ … Don’t write me anymore, I know how you feel. I’ll take your word for it and never bring it up again.”
Jan. 31, 5:55 p.m. This story has been updated with Goldberg’s apology.
Feb. 1, 6:35 a.m. This story has been updated with Goldberg’s comments on The Late Show.