Wild video shows NYC bodega worker allegedly stabbing man to death. Update 7/11 New footage. Girlfriend going to jail

RoadRage

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This one example of how that self defense probably will turn out....this is recent.16years Kid Creole will have to do and it happened in 2017 and Kid is 62yrs old.
Stabbing a homeless man you are paid to work for is a lot different than killing a man who jumped over the counter for lord knows what reason.
 

jack walsh13

Jack Walsh 13
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I can't lie if this chick right here wants a bag of chips and a huggie but doesn't have any money I'm just going to have to take my chances with slingblade behind the counter:o
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mariano42

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Funny you should bring up "deadly force" I was just reading this:

New York State Law: Self-Defense

Self-defense is described in Article 35 of New York’s Penal Law Code. It is also known as “justification,” and describes when defendants are reasonably “justified” in using physical or deadly force to defend themselves.


NY Penal Law 35.15 states:


…a person may use physical force upon another individual when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes it to be necessary to defend himself/herself [or someone else] from what he/she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of [unlawful] physical force by such individual.


Justification defines non-lethal “physical force” and “deadly force.” It also describes where it can be reasonably asserted to protect:


  • themselves or others,
  • homes or premises,
  • and to prevent criminal mischief.

Justification is proportional, however, and so much depends on reasonable belief. If an unarmed aggressor punched or kicked you, a jury might sympathize if you punched or kicked back; but if you retaliated with a gun, the jury may believe you reacted disproportionately and unreasonably.


The same can generally be said for retaliating against a verbal threat with physical force. Someone saying they will burn your house down does not constitute an imminent threat and will not make you justified (nor reasonable) in using physical force to harm them.


Assessing imminent danger and retaliation is challenging (and that’s why we have criminal trials) because there are so many factors to consider. Article 35 has been amended and updated several times over the years to address all the variables and will likely continue.

The jury could say that Mr. Alba's reaction was disproportionate to the threat and deem it unreasonable, which would cause him to be convicted, by the way he is charged with:
PL. 125.25 Murder in the second degree (an A felony)
Yeah. Self defense laws here are weird.

For the most part, you can only defend yourself by using the same force that's being used against you and as long as you walk away. For example, hand to hand, knife to knife and etc. I confirmed this with a NY State Trooper while I was away in college and her confirmed this.
 

slewdem100

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Yeah. Self defense laws here are weird.

For the most part, you can only defend yourself by using the same force that's being used against you and as long as you walk away. For example, hand to hand, knife to knife and etc. I confirmed this with a NY State Trooper while I was away in college and her confirmed this.
Thats a fucked up law if true...people can get beaten to death in a fist fight and that law doesnt seem to take that into account
 

RoadRage

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Yeah. Self defense laws here are weird.

For the most part, you can only defend yourself by using the same force that's being used against you and as long as you walk away. For example, hand to hand, knife to knife and etc. I confirmed this with a NY State Trooper while I was away in college and her confirmed this.
This is true but if you are trapped behind a counter and someone invades your space to attack you, then assuming you are able to walk away does not apply.
The worst thing you can do is attack someone while corning them because when the fight or flight hormone kicks in, there is only one option left, other than to be a victim.
 

TENT

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He just didn't stab the man just to stab him. He was being threatened and the dude didn't let him leave.

Stabbing a homeless man you are paid to work for is a lot different than killing a man who jumped over the counter for lord knows what reason.
 

RoadRage

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He just didn't stab the man just to stab him. He was being threatened and the dude didn't let him leave.
I think in Kidd Creole's case they weighed in all the options that he could have taken prior to that incident to deescalate the situation. For example, if I were to stab a resident while I was in a group home I'd be locked up under the jail, even if the kid was attacking me. The first thing that would be asked was, why the fuck did I have a knife on me at work in the first place, and that would be game set match for my black ass.
 

Mixd

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Yeah. Self defense laws here are weird.

For the most part, you can only defend yourself by using the same force that's being used against you and as long as you walk away. For example, hand to hand, knife to knife and etc. I confirmed this with a NY State Trooper while I was away in college and her confirmed this.
It's like that anywhere.

You will have to state that "this is what happened".

In this dude situation he could of said anything, "he strangled me and I was about to pass out so I swung the knife on my last breath". In his situation, the vid may work against him.

Anytime, anywhere, equal force has to be met with equal force. Unless you are witnessing a crime with a weapon, you can intervene to protect another life. Like a robber robbing a cashier at McDonald's.

But in this dude situation, if the guy was strangling him or beat him with his hands to the "point that I felt like I was about to die" is when you can defend you life with more force.

As quickly as he stabbed dude, we will have to see what the outcome is. Camera really could be his downfall.
 

November 17

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Haven't read most of the comments but let me guess...bgol is bashing the black man?
You might want to read the comments section on the DailyMail's website.

In addition, they had a segment on Newsmax tv (they are very similar to Fox news)


Start at 4:00
 

phanatic

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You might want to read the comments section on the DailyMail's website.

In addition, they had a segment on Newsmax tv (they are very similar to Fox news)


Start at 4:00

:roflmao:what kind of horseshit news segment is this?
 

Megatron X

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Dude should’ve checked that chic who took the chips. Cats get tired of people taking their shit. Dude was probably robbed before and you get tired of that shit. Some people feel entitled to take what you have and you’re suppose to just stand there and accept their arrogance. That dude put his hands on the owner when the female stole from him.
 

34real

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Jose Alba, the 51-year-old Bodega worker who famously stabbed an alleged would-be attacker out of self-defense back on July 1st, has been charged with murder and transported to Rikers Island after being unable to pay $250,000 for his bond. According to reports, GoFundMe recently deleted a page to help raise money for Alba to cover his legal fees. The timing could not have been any worse for Alba, who is now facing the prospect of serving 25 years behind bars for an on-camera incident in which he stabbed a 34-year-old man named Austin Simon in the neck and chest multiple times following a dispute over a declined credit card transaction. Be that as it may, the Mayor of New York has already chosen a side in the matter.
 

slewdem100

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Jose Alba, the 51-year-old Bodega worker who famously stabbed an alleged would-be attacker out of self-defense back on July 1st, has been charged with murder and transported to Rikers Island after being unable to pay $250,000 for his bond. According to reports, GoFundMe recently deleted a page to help raise money for Alba to cover his legal fees. The timing could not have been any worse for Alba, who is now facing the prospect of serving 25 years behind bars for an on-camera incident in which he stabbed a 34-year-old man named Austin Simon in the neck and chest multiple times following a dispute over a declined credit card transaction. Be that as it may, the Mayor of New York has already chosen a side in the matter.
Yall New Yorkers called it...NYC really is different...I guess he really was just supposed to chill there on the ground after being shoved and dude standing over him
 

Megatron X

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I can't side against the spic on this one. When dude pushed the spic and said his few words he should've jetted out. But dude underestimated him.
 

Cochese2k

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I feel bad for the shopkeeper, 100% self-defense. Now he has to respond to his community, when that dies down that kid would be in the neighborhood and see him everyday. Now they both have to live with the knowledge of him taking a life.

Killing a man isn't something you just forget and that reminder will be sad.
 

RoadRage

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What makes him apiece of shit?
Any grown-ass man who is unable to control his emotions, let alone allow others to easily trigger him, is a worthless piece of shit! If you don't know, you're welcome for putting you up on game, playa.
 
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Mixd

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I'm seeing her EBT card got denied is why she couldn't pay. Like wtf.

 

34real

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PERFECT!!!! Fuck every one of these fatherless sagging pants braid bum ass goons. I celebrate every single time one gets killed! This is great news
You shouldn't put that type of energy out into this world cause sometimes it finds it's way back to you.

The ol man which 51 isn't super old but now he might have to be careful cause family and friends might feel some way about what happened;Physical harm,burn the store down,cause problems there and if so I HOPE THEY CALL THE POLICE.
 

TimRock

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You shouldn't put that type of energy out into this world cause sometimes it finds it's way back to you.

The ol man which 51 isn't super old but now he might have to be careful cause family and friends might feel some way about what happened;Physical harm,burn the store down,cause problems there and if so I HOPE THEY CALL THE POLICE.
That's Tina you're quoting. He's always miserable.
 
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