A Blueprint for Reparations

VAiz4hustlaz

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Bill PDF Version: 09/30/20 - Chaptered 09/01/20 - Enrolled 08/20/20 - Amended Senate 07/07/20 - Amended Senate 02/21/20 - Introduced
AB-3121 Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans.(2019-2020)
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Date Published: 10/02/2020 02:00 PM
BILL START

Assembly Bill No. 3121
CHAPTER 319
An act to add and repeal Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 8301) of Division 1 of Title 2 of the Government Code, relating to state government.
[ Approved by Governor September 30, 2020. Filed with Secretary of State September 30, 2020. ]

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
AB 3121, Weber. Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans.

Existing law requests the Regents of the University of California to assemble a colloquium of scholars to draft a research proposal to analyze the economic benefits of slavery that accrued to owners and the businesses, including insurance companies and their subsidiaries, that received those benefits, and to make recommendations to the Legislature regarding those findings.

Existing law requires the Insurance Commissioner to request and obtain information from insurers licensed and doing business in this state regarding any records of slaveholder insurance policies issued by any predecessor corporation during the slavery era. Existing law requires insurers to research and report to the commissioner on insurance policies that provided coverage for injury to, or death of, enslaved people.

This bill would establish the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans, with a Special Consideration for African Americans Who are Descendants of Persons Enslaved in the United States, consisting of 9 members, appointed as provided. The bill would require the Task Force to, among other things, identify, compile, and synthesize the relevant corpus of evidentiary documentation of the institution of slavery that existed within the United States and the colonies. The bill would require the Task Force to recommend, among other things, the form of compensation that should be awarded, the instrumentalities through which it should be awarded, and who should be eligible for this compensation. The bill would require the Task Force to submit a written report of its findings and recommendations to the Legislature. The bill would authorize reimbursement of the members’ expenses only to the extent an appropriation therefor is made in the Budget Act. The bill would state that any state level reparations authorized under these provisions are not to be considered a replacement for any reparations enacted at the federal level. The bill would repeal these provisions on July 1, 2023.

DIGEST KEY
Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: yes Local Program: no
BILL TEXT
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


SECTION 1.
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 8301) is added to Division 1 of Title 2 of the Government Code, to read:

CHAPTER 4.5. Reparations for the Institution of Slavery
Article 1. Findings and Declarations

8301.

(a) The Legislature makes the following findings and declarations:

(1) More than 4,000,000 Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and the colonies that became the United States from 1619 to 1865, inclusive.
(2) The institution of slavery was constitutionally and statutorily sanctioned by the United States from 1789 through 1865, inclusive.
(3) The slavery that flourished in the United States constituted an immoral and inhumane deprivation of Africans’ life, liberty, African citizenship rights, and cultural heritage and denied them the fruits of their own labor.
(4) A preponderance of scholarly, legal, and community evidentiary documentation, as well as popular culture markers, constitute the basis for inquiry into the ongoing effects of the institution of slavery and its legacy of persistent systemic structures of discrimination on living African Americans and society in the United States.
(5) Following the abolition of slavery, the United States government at the federal, state, and local levels continued to perpetuate, condone, and often profit from practices that continued to brutalize and disadvantage African Americans, including sharecropping, convict leasing, Jim Crow laws, redlining, unequal education, and disproportionate treatment at the hands of the criminal justice system.
(6) As a result of the historic and continued discrimination, African Americans continue to suffer debilitating economic, educational, and health hardships, including, but not limited to, all of the following:

(A) Having nearly 1,000,000 black people incarcerated.
(B) An unemployment rate more than twice the current white unemployment rate.
(C) An average of less than one-sixteenth of the wealth of white families, a disparity that has worsened, not improved, over time.
(b) It is the purpose of this chapter to establish a task force that will do all of the following:
(1) Study and develop reparation proposals for African Americans as a result of:
(A) The institution of slavery, including both the transatlantic and domestic “trade” that existed from 1565 in colonial Florida and from 1619 to 1865, inclusive, within the other colonies that became the United States, and that included the federal and state governments, that constitutionally and statutorily supported the institution of slavery.
(B) The de jure and de facto discrimination against freed slaves and their descendants from the end of the Civil War to the present, including economic, political, educational, and social discrimination.
(C) The lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the discrimination described in paragraphs (5) and (6) of subdivision (a) on living African Americans and on society in California and the United States.
(D) The manner in which instructional resources and technologies are being used to deny the inhumanity of slavery and the crime against humanity committed against people of African descent in California and the United States.
(E) The role of Northern complicity in the Southern-based institution of slavery.
(F) The direct benefits to societal institutions, public and private, including higher education, corporate, religious, and associational.
(2) Recommend appropriate ways to educate the California public of the task force’s findings.
(3) Recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the task force’s findings on the matters described in this section.
(4) Submit to the Legislature the report completed pursuant to Section 8301.1, together with any recommendations.

Article 2. Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans, with a Special Consideration for African Americans Who are Descendants of Persons Enslaved in the United States

8301.1.

(a) There is hereby established the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans, with a Special Consideration for African Americans Who are Descendants of Persons Enslaved in the United States (Task Force).
(b) The Task Force shall perform all of the following duties:
(1) Identify, compile, and synthesize the relevant corpus of evidentiary documentation of the institution of slavery that existed within the United States and the colonies that became the United States from 1619 to 1865, inclusive. The Task Force’s documentation and examination shall include the facts related to all of the following:
(A) The capture and procurement of Africans.
(B) The transport of Africans to the United States and the colonies that became the United States for the purpose of enslavement, including their treatment during transport.
(C) The sale and acquisition of Africans as chattel property in interstate and intrastate commerce.
(D) The treatment of African slaves in the colonies and the United States, including the deprivation of their freedom, exploitation of their labor, and destruction of their culture, language, religion, and families.
(E) The extensive denial of humanity, sexual abuse, and chattelization of persons.
(F) The federal and state laws that discriminated against formerly enslaved Africans and their descendants who were deemed United States citizens from 1868 to the present.
(G) The other forms of discrimination in the public and private sectors against freed African slaves and their descendants who were deemed United States citizens from 1868 to the present, including redlining, educational funding discrepancies, and predatory financial practices.
(H) The lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the matters described in this section on living African Americans who are descendants of persons enslaved in the United States (African Americans) and on society in the United States.
(2) Recommend appropriate ways to educate the California public of the Task Force’s findings.
(3) Recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Task Force’s findings on the matters described in this section. In making recommendations, the Task Force shall address, among other issues, all of the following:
(A) How the recommendations comport with international standards of remedy for wrongs and injuries caused by the state, that include full reparations and special measures, as understood by various relevant international protocols, laws, and findings.
(B) How the State of California will offer a formal apology on behalf of the people of California for the perpetration of gross human rights violations and crimes against humanity on African slaves and their descendants.
(C) How California laws and policies that continue to disproportionately and negatively affect African Americans as a group and perpetuate the lingering material and psychosocial effects of slavery can be eliminated.
(D) How the injuries resulting from matters described in this subdivision can be reversed and how to provide appropriate policies, programs, projects, and recommendations for the purpose of reversing the injuries.
(E) How, in consideration of the Task Force’s findings, any form of compensation to African Americans, with a special consideration for African Americans who are descendants of persons enslaved in the United States, is calculated.
(F) What form of compensation should be awarded, through what instrumentalities, and who should be eligible for such compensation.
(G) How, in consideration of the Task Force’s findings, any other forms of rehabilitation or restitution to African descendants are warranted and what form and scope those measures should take.
(c) The Task Force shall submit a written report of its findings and recommendations to the Legislature no later than the date that is one year after the date of the first meeting of the Task Force held pursuant to Section 8301.2 of this chapter. The report shall be submitted in compliance with Section 9795.

Article 3. Membership

8301.2.

(a) The Task Force shall consist of nine members, appointed as follows:
(1) Five members shall be appointed by the Governor.
(2) Two members shall be appointed by the President pro Tempore of the Senate and two members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the Assembly.
(b) The Governor’s appointees shall include all of the following:
(1) One appointee from the field of academia that has expertise in civil rights.
(2) Two appointees from major civil society and reparations organizations that have historically championed the cause of reparatory justice.
(c) Not more than four appointees shall be Members of the Legislature.
(d) Members shall be drawn from diverse backgrounds to represent the interests of communities of color throughout the state, have experience working to implement racial justice reform, and, to the extent possible, represent geographically diverse areas of the state.
(e) The term of office for members shall be for the life of the Task Force. A vacancy in the Task Force shall not affect the powers of the Task Force and shall be filled in the same manner that the original appointment was made.
(f) The Governor shall call the first meeting of the Task Force to occur no later than June 1, 2021.
(g) Five members of the Task Force shall constitute a quorum.
(h) The Task Force shall elect a chair and vice chair from among its members. The term of office of each shall be for the life of the Task Force.
(i) For attendance at meetings during adjournment of the Legislature, a legislative member of the Task Force shall be entitled to per diem compensation and reimbursement of expenses for not more than 10 meetings, upon appropriation by the Legislature.
(j) Nonlegislative members of the Task Force shall be entitled to per diem compensation and reimbursement of expenses for not more than 10 meetings, upon appropriation by the Legislature.

Article 4. Powers

8301.3.

(a) For the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this chapter, the Task Force may do all of the following:
(1) Hold hearings and sit and act at any time and location in California.
(2) Request the attendance and testimony of witnesses.
(3) Request the production of books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents.
(4) Seek an order from a Superior Court compelling testimony or compliance with a subpoena.
(b) Any subcommittee or member of the Task Force may, if authorized by the Task Force, take any action that the Task Force is authorized to take pursuant to this section.
(c) The Task Force may acquire directly from the head of any state agency available information that the Task Force considers useful in the discharge of its duties. All state agencies shall cooperate with the Task Force with respect to such information and shall furnish all information requested by the Task Force to the extent permitted by law. The Task Force shall keep confidential any information received from a state agency that is confidential or exempt from the California Public Records Act (Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 6250) of Division 7 of Title 1).

Article 5. Administrative Provisions

8301.4.

(a) The Task Force may appoint and fix the compensation of such personnel as the Task Force considers appropriate.
(b) The Task Force shall have the administrative, technical, and legal assistance of the Department of Justice.
(c) The Task Force may procure supplies, services, and property by contract in accordance with applicable laws and rules.
(d) The Task Force may enter into contracts for the purposes of conducting research or surveys, preparing reports, and performing other activities necessary for the discharge of the duties of the Task Force with state departments, agencies, and other instrumentalities, federal departments, agencies, and other instrumentalities, and private entities.

Article 6. Reparations

8301.5.

Any state level reparation actions that are undertaken as a result of this chapter are not a replacement for any reparations enacted at the federal level, and shall not be interpreted as such.

Article 7. Termination

8301.7.

This chapter shall remain in effect until July 1, 2023, and as of that date is repealed.
 

geechiedan

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Thank you for bringing common sense and nuance in here. Geechie is trying to corrupt the thread with his silliness. I’ll run him out with this:


@Soul On Ice was the one doing this :cheers: he still hasn't explain what that was about...ya'll contention is both parties are the same but so far I only see one even tabling the discussion. ANd I know it hurts you down to your chickenshit hearts to even admit that.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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@Soul On Ice was the one doing this :cheers: he still hasn't explain what that was about...ya'll contention is both parties are the same but so far I only see one even tabling the discussion. ANd I know it hurts you down to your chickenshit hearts to even admit that.

Where have I said "both parties are the same"?
 

Supersav

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@Soul On Ice was the one doing this :cheers: he still hasn't explain what that was about...ya'll contention is both parties are the same but so far I only see one even tabling the discussion. ANd I know it hurts you down to your chickenshit hearts to even admit that.
So you want points for the democrats for entertaining the idea? Isn't that what they always do?
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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BGOL Investor
So you want points for the democrats for entertaining the idea? Isn't that what they always do?

Marianne recognizes the game better than he does:


Geechie is one of the old school types who:jackoff: over each and every symbolic "victory" he comes across. Juneteenth holiday, Black woman on the Supreme Court, etc. He never looks at actually policy, policy real-world outcomes, and is even on record as saying he doesn't "care to" look at numbers or empirical information.
 

Soul On Ice

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@Soul On Ice was the one doing this :cheers: he still hasn't explain what that was about...ya'll contention is both parties are the same but so far I only see one even tabling the discussion. ANd I know it hurts you down to your chickenshit hearts to even admit that.
You're not even 1/3 as smart as you think you are. I'd say you're embarrassing yourself actually. Do better breh.
 

geechiedan

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Marianne recognizes the game better than he does:


Geechie is one of the old school types who:jackoff: over each and every symbolic "victory" he comes across. Juneteenth holiday, Black woman on the Supreme Court, etc. He never looks at actually policy, policy real-world outcomes, and is even on record as saying he doesn't "care to" look at numbers or empirical information.

just curious...what party did she run under?
 

geechiedan

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Thisnt a Democrat led initiative. This came from the soil.
Since the Dems are so good, please point me to other such instances as this one sir? Shut me all the way the fuck up right now.
:barbeque:

Detroit council endorses reparations resolution; November vote possible

The City Council on Tuesday unanimously approved a resolution calling for the Detroit government to create a city task force to explore the issue and acknowledge the Detroit government has a history of racially motivated, unjust policies and practices. It also advocates for an end to the state of Michigan’s ban on affirmative action.

The resolution also supports reparations efforts in Congress, which includes supporting a bill first introduced in 1989 by the late U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr.

The nation’s first Black reparations fund was approved by the City of Evanston, Illinois, in 2019. The Chicago suburb approved a $10 million fund meant to deal with past racially discriminatory housing policies and practices against the Black community. At least five other cities have passed measures examining reparations to local Black residents.


were those republicans or some other party that did that??
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
Thisnt a Democrat led initiative. This came from the soil.
Since the Dems are so good, please point me to other such instances as this one sir? Shut me all the way the fuck up right now.
:barbeque:

This is what geechie fails to understand (or fails to acknowledge). The WHOLE POINT is to put social and political pressure on the Democratic Party to push policies that are FOR US. That has been the political impetus of ADOS from day one.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
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Detroit council endorses reparations resolution; November vote possible

The City Council on Tuesday unanimously approved a resolution calling for the Detroit government to create a city task force to explore the issue and acknowledge the Detroit government has a history of racially motivated, unjust policies and practices. It also advocates for an end to the state of Michigan’s ban on affirmative action.

The resolution also supports reparations efforts in Congress, which includes supporting a bill first introduced in 1989 by the late U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr.

The nation’s first Black reparations fund was approved by the City of Evanston, Illinois, in 2019. The Chicago suburb approved a $10 million fund meant to deal with past racially discriminatory housing policies and practices against the Black community. At least five other cities have passed measures examining reparations to local Black residents.


were those republicans or some other party that did that??

From a link in the article YOU posted:
..........​
But some attendees noted what they considered a glaring omission: any mention of reparations for the survivors of the massacre and their descendants, some of whom have sued the city and state for compensation, and a full-throated endorsement of H.R. 40, which would create a commission to study reparations. The bill passed out of the House Judiciary Committee in April for the first time since it was first introduced in 1989.​
As a candidate, Biden said he supported a commission on reparations. But the administration has yet to endorse the actual bill. After his speech Tuesday, the president met with the members of the Congressional Black Caucus, who brought up the need for H.R. 40, which is named after the “40 acres and a mule” promise that now symbolizes the lack of support formerly enslaved people received from the federal government. According to those involved in the conversations, Biden let them down gently.​
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VAiz4hustlaz

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BGOL Investor
@geechiedan

Got any updates on progress made on Biden's Lift Every Voice plan? I mean, you started a whole thread on it:


:idea:
 

Soul On Ice

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From a link in the article YOU posted:
..........​
But some attendees noted what they considered a glaring omission: any mention of reparations for the survivors of the massacre and their descendants, some of whom have sued the city and state for compensation, and a full-throated endorsement of H.R. 40, which would create a commission to study reparations. The bill passed out of the House Judiciary Committee in April for the first time since it was first introduced in 1989.​
As a candidate, Biden said he supported a commission on reparations. But the administration has yet to endorse the actual bill. After his speech Tuesday, the president met with the members of the Congressional Black Caucus, who brought up the need for H.R. 40, which is named after the “40 acres and a mule” promise that now symbolizes the lack of support formerly enslaved people received from the federal government. According to those involved in the conversations, Biden let them down gently.​
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You can tell dude googled some shit real quick in a failed attempt to prove me wrong.
Smh.
You hate to see it lol
 

Soul On Ice

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@geechiedan

Got any updates on progress made on Biden's Lift Every Voice plan? I mean, you started a whole thread on it:


:idea:
With how much he suck Democrat dick, you'd THINK they'd have EVIDENCE of all of the great things the dems have done for us.
Pathetic really
 

geechiedan

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BGOL Investor
From a link in the article YOU posted:
..........​
But some attendees noted what they considered a glaring omission: any mention of reparations for the survivors of the massacre and their descendants, some of whom have sued the city and state for compensation, and a full-throated endorsement of H.R. 40, which would create a commission to study reparations. The bill passed out of the House Judiciary Committee in April for the first time since it was first introduced in 1989.​
As a candidate, Biden said he supported a commission on reparations. But the administration has yet to endorse the actual bill. After his speech Tuesday, the president met with the members of the Congressional Black Caucus, who brought up the need for H.R. 40, which is named after the “40 acres and a mule” promise that now symbolizes the lack of support formerly enslaved people received from the federal government. According to those involved in the conversations, Biden let them down gently.​
..........​
what was the question he asked?? read it again.... and also YOU question this calif measure that you both earlier did this to :cheers: still waiting for the explanation for the celebration? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
what was the question he asked?? read it again....
He asked you to show him where these have been Democratic initiatives. A little info per the Detroit City Council:
The council is composed of nine members, seven of whom are elected from single-member districts using first-past-the-post voting, with two additional members elected at-large using block voting. The council includes two officers, the president and president pro tempore, who are elected from among the members of the council at the beginning of each new session of the body for four-year terms. The officers can be removed by a unanimous vote of council, exclusive of the member being removed, during any session meeting. Elections to the body are officially non-partisan.

Also:

Council President Pro Tem Mary Sheffield, who sponsored the resolution, said, "Today was a monumental step forward in the history of our City and the Nation with the passage of the resolution placing a Reparations question before the voters in Detroit. ... The measure, which was unanimously supported by City Council, will help move the conversation from talk to action and towards making amends for the most egregious discriminatory and racist practices of the past. Ultimately, this is about repairing the damage done to the African American community and leveling the playing field so the aggrieved have an equal and real opportunity for success and a better quality of life."[2]

As Soul on Ice said, these initiatives are "coming from the soil", i.e. the grassroots and individual initiatives, not the party itself.

And lastly Geechie, I want you to take a look at the Michigan Democratic Party official platform: https://michigandems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-MDP-Platform-Final-Draft-8.28-.pdf

In that PDF, I want to you search for the word "reparations."

Please report your findings back to the board. While you're at it, you can also report the accomplishments of the Lift Every Voice plan I requested previously.
and also YOU question this calif measure that you both earlier did this to :cheers: still waiting for the explanation for the celebration? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Show me where I posted a "cheers" emoji. I liked his post. At the very least, they're getting the lineage-part right. It's a start.
 

geechiedan

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
He asked you to show him where these have been Democratic initiatives. A little info per the Detroit City Council:
The council is composed of nine members, seven of whom are elected from single-member districts using first-past-the-post voting, with two additional members elected at-large using block voting. The council includes two officers, the president and president pro tempore, who are elected from among the members of the council at the beginning of each new session of the body for four-year terms. The officers can be removed by a unanimous vote of council, exclusive of the member being removed, during any session meeting. Elections to the body are officially non-partisan.

Also:

Council President Pro Tem Mary Sheffield, who sponsored the resolution, said, "Today was a monumental step forward in the history of our City and the Nation with the passage of the resolution placing a Reparations question before the voters in Detroit. ... The measure, which was unanimously supported by City Council, will help move the conversation from talk to action and towards making amends for the most egregious discriminatory and racist practices of the past. Ultimately, this is about repairing the damage done to the African American community and leveling the playing field so the aggrieved have an equal and real opportunity for success and a better quality of life."[2]

As Soul on Ice said, these initiatives are "coming from the soil", i.e. the grassroots and individual initiatives, not the party itself.

And lastly Geechie, I want you to take a look at the Michigan Democratic Party official platform: https://michigandems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-MDP-Platform-Final-Draft-8.28-.pdf

In that PDF, I want to you search for the word "reparations."

Please report your findings back to the board. While you're at it, you can also report the accomplishments of the Lift Every Voice plan I requested previously.


Show me where I posted a "cheers" emoji. I liked his post. At the very least, they're getting the lineage-part right. It's a start.
also from the article

The nation’s first Black reparations fund was approved by the City of Evanston, Illinois, in 2019. The Chicago suburb approved a $10 million fund meant to deal with past racially discriminatory housing policies and practices against the Black community. At least five other cities have passed measures examining reparations to local Black residents.

In Washington, a reparations bill in the U.S. House passed out of committee in April for the first time since Conyers first introduced it 32 years ago. Conyers, a Detroit Democrat who died in 2019, served 52 years in Congress. The bill, called House Resolution 40, would create a commission to study reparations. Its fate remains uncertain, and the Biden administration hasn’t endorsed it.

U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a Southfield Democrat, says members of the Congressional Black Caucus brought up the reparations bill to Biden this week, according to Politico. “He didn’t disagree with what we’re doing,” Lawrence told Politico.

at the end of the day....you know no conservative party is going to even discuss it... and I agree to put pressure on dems..Ive said that... but you guys discouage even dealing with them....whenever I ask for alternatives all I get is snide comments, deflections or some ridiculous shit.

A majority of Detroit voters support a reparations program to compensate Black people over past discriminatory housing policies and practices by the city, according to an April poll commissioned by the Michigan Democratic Party’s Black Caucus.
 

Soul On Ice

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what was the question he asked?? read it again.... and also YOU question this calif measure that you both earlier did this to :cheers: still waiting for the explanation for the celebration? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
It was a cheer because it was LINEAGE based and not on some "we'z AlL bLAck" shit that you immigrants be on.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
It was a cheer because it was LINEAGE based and not on some "we'z AlL bLAck" shit that you immigrants be on.

Actually, geechie isn‘t an immigrant and has stated in the past that he doesn’t give a fuck about immigrants.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
also from the article

The nation’s first Black reparations fund was approved by the City of Evanston, Illinois, in 2019. The Chicago suburb approved a $10 million fund meant to deal with past racially discriminatory housing policies and practices against the Black community. At least five other cities have passed measures examining reparations to local Black residents.

In Washington, a reparations bill in the U.S. House passed out of committee in April for the first time since Conyers first introduced it 32 years ago. Conyers, a Detroit Democrat who died in 2019, served 52 years in Congress. The bill, called House Resolution 40, would create a commission to study reparations. Its fate remains uncertain, and the Biden administration hasn’t endorsed it.

U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a Southfield Democrat, says members of the Congressional Black Caucus brought up the reparations bill to Biden this week, according to Politico. “He didn’t disagree with what we’re doing,” Lawrence told Politico.

at the end of the day....you know no conservative party is going to even discuss it... and I agree to put pressure on dems..Ive said that... but you guys discouage even dealing with them....whenever I ask for alternatives all I get is snide comments, deflections or some ridiculous shit.

A majority of Detroit voters support a reparations program to compensate Black people over past discriminatory housing policies and practices by the city, according to an April poll commissioned by the Michigan Democratic Party’s Black Caucus.

Who here has said that a “conservative party” is going to discuss it? And who has said that Black people shouldn’t deal with the Democrats? The whole point has been that Black people should leverage the political power we have with the Democratic Party to push for a Black ADOS-specific agenda that includes reparations!! Why the fuck is that so difficult for you to comprehend???
:hithead:

And you’ve deliberately avoided every other question I’ve asked. Came in here to troll just to get sonned again. :smh:
 
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geechiedan

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Who here has said that a “conservative party” is going to discuss it?
I said you guys talk as if there are alternatives to blue or red....and sure you point out some nonpartisan group doing some grassroots thing but that the end of the day YOU Know that shit has to be run thru a major party whether its fed/state or local in order to get enacted as law. Theres no two ways around that. Hell YOUR GIRL marianne williamson ran as a democrat rather than independant so she could get traction.

You run that "youre stupid for voting democrat" jazz all day every day and then act like people aren't making demands for their support... thats the whole trip you guys run. WHen at the end of the day which major party in the United States of America do you have ANY hope of getting any kind of black agenda done thru??? Republican or Democrat...Conservative or Liberal...Rightwing or Leftwing??? This is a question you CANNOT answer because you already KNOW what the answer is.

And who has said that Black people shouldn’t deal with the Democrats?
@Soul On Ice @xfactor @VAiz4hustlaz @KingTaharqa @@@@@@@ dude its the usual peanut gallery.. stop with the fake outrage about it before you even start typing :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

The whole point has been that Black people should leverage the political power we have with the Democratic Party to push for a Black ADOS-specific agenda that includes reparations!! Why the fuck is that so difficult for you to comprehend???
:hithead:

you gotta get black people onboard with the notion of reparations which more than half just doesn't believe is doable on a national basis.
Its not shocking that the places where its getting some kind of traction are BLUE STATES AND BLUE CITIES where democrats are the majority.

And at the end of the day on a national level its going to require a bi-partisan effort and we're back to square one on getting a decent number of righwing cacs to sign off... and even with a supermajority you STILL have to deal with conservative democrats! what don't YOU get about that?? :beatyourass:
 
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VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
I said you guys talk as if there are alternatives to blue or red....and sure you point out some nonpartisan group doing some grassroots thing but that the end of the day YOU Know that shit has to be run thru a major party whether its fed/state or local in order to get enacted as law. Theres no two ways around that. Hell YOUR GIRL marianne williamson ran as a democrat rather than independant so she could get traction.

You run that "youre stupid for voting democrat" jazz all day every day and then act like people aren't making demands for their support... thats the whole trip you guys run. WHen at the end of the day which major party in the United States of America do you have ANY hope of getting any kind of black agenda done thru??? Republican or Democrat...Conservative or Liberal...Rightwing or Leftwing??? This is a question you CANNOT answer because you already KNOW what the answer is.


@Soul On Ice @xfactor @VAiz4hustlaz @KingTaharqa @@@@@@@ dude its the usual peanut gallery.. stop with the fake outrage about it before you even start typing :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:



you gotta get black people onboard with the notion of reparations which more than half just doesn't believe is doable on a national basis.
Its not shocking that the places where its getting some kind of traction are BLUE STATES AND BLUE CITIES where democrats are the majority.

And at the end of the day on a national level its going to require a bi-partisan effort and we're back to square one on getting a decent number of righwing cacs to sign off... and even with a supermajority you STILL have to deal with conservative democrats! what don't YOU get about that?? :beatyourass:

Wow, I'm shocked that you're capable of even attempting to answer any questions.

I said you guys talk as if there are alternatives to blue or red


No, we say there are alternative political STRATEGIES that can be pursued. This, of course, requires understanding nuance, which you obviously don't. You are aware that many progressive changes were initiated by third-parties, right? Then again, you probably don't. I forget who I'm talking to. :rolleyes: eyes:

....and sure you point out some nonpartisan group doing some grassroots thing but that the end of the day YOU Know that shit has to be run thru a major party whether its fed/state or local in order to get enacted as law. Theres no two ways around that. Hell YOUR GIRL marianne williamson ran as a democrat rather than independant so she could get traction.

"...some nonpartisan group doing some grassroots thing...." If it wasn't for those, then the reparations initiatives in Cali and Michigan when seen thus far wouldn't have been kickstarted in the first place!!! This is the whole point Soul On Ice has been making!!! "It came from the soil." You think the Dems are initiating it of their own accord? Of course not! When I asked you to point out the reparations issue in the Michigan Democratic Party platform, you went mute on the issue. When I ask you to point out the accomplishments of the Lift Every Voice plan, you go mute on that as well.

you gotta get black people onboard with the notion of reparations which more than half just doesn't believe is doable on a national basis.

"More than half...."? Says who? What poll? You "don't care for numbers", remember? So what you are you basing this on?

Its not shocking that the places where its getting some kind of traction are BLUE STATES AND BLUE CITIES where democrats are the majority.

Then why isn't it popping in EVERY Blue state and Blue city where Democrats are the majority? If, after all, the Dems are leading the charge. Shouldn't we be seeing at least 25 of these initiatives right now?

List Of Blue States And Red States (as of 2022)
No.Blue StatesNo.Red States
1Arizona1Alabama
2California2Alaska
3Colorado3Arkansas
4Connecticut4Florida
5Delaware5Idaho
6Georgia6Indiana
7Hawaii7Iowa
8Illinois8Kansas
9Maine9Kentucky
10Maryland10Louisiana
11Massachusetts11Mississippi
12Michigan12Missouri
13Minnesota13Montana
14Nevada14Nebraska
15New Hampshire15North Carolina
16New Jersey16North Dakota
17New Mexico17Ohio
18New York18Oklahoma
19Oregon19South Carolina
20Pennsylvania20South Dakota
21Rhode Island21Tennessee
22Vermont22Texas
23Virginia23Utah
24Washington24West Virginia
25Wisconsin25Wyoming
 

mrcmd187

Controversy Creates Cash
BGOL Investor
Reparations is a dream that might never come true as long as Cacs can delay like they have for decades, they would give money to overseas countries or shit on their own people before they would ever give to us.
 

geechiedan

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
No, we say there are alternative political STRATEGIES that can be pursued. This, of course, requires understanding nuance, which you obviously don't. You are aware that many progressive changes were initiated by third-parties, right? Then again, you probably don't. I forget who I'm talking to. :rolleyes: eyes:

and then they roll them thru one of the two major parties to get them enacted....so at the end of the day you still end up dealing with democrats true or false?


"...some nonpartisan group doing some grassroots thing...." If it wasn't for those, then the reparations initiatives in Cali and Michigan when seen thus far wouldn't have been kickstarted in the first place!!! This is the whole point Soul On Ice has been making!!! "It came from the soil." You think the Dems are initiating it of their own accord? Of course not! When I asked you to point out the reparations issue in the Michigan Democratic Party platform, you went mute on the issue. When I ask you to point out the accomplishments of the Lift Every Voice plan, you go mute on that as well.
I think congressman John Conyers' Jr would disagree with you considering he introduced the first reparations bill to congress and kept it up for the last 30 years... In fact its completely disrespectful to his efforts and memory to exclude him and Sheila Jackson and others in the party who stepped up on that front.

As far as the lift every voice place.. There are no finished accomplishments as its being rolled out piece meal as we speak. late last month an action plan was announced to counteract the disparity and root out racial bias and discrimination in home valuations. That was a part of LEV.

The reality is the results of any of these initiatives wont be seen until years from now so demanding results today is ridiculous.


"More than half...."? Says who? What poll? You "don't care for numbers", remember? So what you are you basing this on?
post #343 is the general sentiment..hell even supersav cosigned it...


Then why isn't it popping in EVERY Blue state and Blue city where Democrats are the majority? If, after all, the Dems are leading the charge. Shouldn't we be seeing at least 25 of these initiatives right now?

List Of Blue States And Red States (as of 2022)


already answered


And at the end of the day on a national level its going to require a bi-partisan effort and we're back to square one on getting a decent number of righwing cacs to sign off... and even with a supermajority you STILL have to deal with conservative democrats! what don't YOU get about that??

come on dude....this all you got??? :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
and then they roll them thru one of the two major parties to get them enacted....so at the end of the day you still end up dealing with democrats true or false?

:pain:

WHO HAS SAID YOU DON'T!!! The whole fucking point is that you PUT PRESSURE ON A POLITICAL PARTY!!!

:hithead:

I think congressman John Conyers' Jr would disagree with you considering he introduced the first reparations bill to congress and kept it up for the last 30 years... In fact its completely disrespectful to his efforts and memory to exclude him and Sheila Jackson and others in the party who stepped up on that front.

"Kept it up for the last 30 years...." With what results? I mean, you say the Democratic Party is actively pushing this, right?

As far as the lift every voice place.. There are no finished accomplishments as its being rolled out piece meal as we speak. late last month an action plan was announced to counteract the disparity and root out racial bias and discrimination in home valuations. That was a part of LEV.

The reality is the results of any of these initiatives wont be seen until years from now so demanding results today is ridiculous.

"Rolled out piecemeal..." :D Show me something being enacted, not a plan. The irony is that the link you posted DOESN'T EVEN WORK!!

post #343 is the general sentiment..hell even supersav cosigned it...

General sentiment according to who? And "they would give money to overseas countries or shit on their own people before they would ever give to us."

Isn't this what your boy Biden is doing right now?

already answered

No it hasn't been. If so, quote it. And while you're at it, find the reparations clause in the Michigan Democratic platform. You told Soul On Ice they should be credited for it.
 

Soul On Ice

Democrat 1st!
Certified Pussy Poster
:pain:

WHO HAS SAID YOU DON'T!!! The whole fucking point is that you PUT PRESSURE ON A POLITICAL PARTY!!!

:hithead:



"Kept it up for the last 30 years...." With what results? I mean, you say the Democratic Party is actively pushing this, right?



"Rolled out piecemeal..." :D Show me something being enacted, not a plan. The irony is that the link you posted DOESN'T EVEN WORK!!



General sentiment according to who? And "they would give money to overseas countries or shit on their own people before they would ever give to us."

Isn't this what your boy Biden is doing right now?



No it hasn't been. If so, quote it. And while you're at it, find the reparations clause in the Michigan Democratic platform. You told Soul On Ice they should be credited for it.
You bigger man than me homie. I do NOT take his obtuse ass seriously at all. Lol
Only engage him when I'm bored and trying to pass time.
He too far gone
:itsawrap:
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
You bigger man than me homie. I do NOT take his obtuse ass seriously at all. Lol
Only engage him when I'm bored and trying to pass time.
He too far gone
:itsawrap:

I figure he’s just trolling at this point. Kind of like a neo-Blunt. He falls back for a while after you expose his fallacious arguments, only to rear his head again with the same fallacies in other thread.
 
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