Any Screenwriters On The Board??

Piff Henderson

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Air Exists Because One Underemployed Guy in His 20s Saw The Last Dance
By Chris Lee, a Vulture senior reporter who covers Hollywood



As the Air Jordan creation-myth biopic Air makes its way to the multiplex Wednesday, the movie’s screenwriter, Alex Convery, can’t avoid observing certain ironies. Although Air is nominally a sports movie plotted around Nike’s least-likely-to-succeed 1984 endorsement-deal signing of Michael Jordan, its watchability is predicated on “people in rooms talking”; there is but one scene of actual basketball in the whole thing. Convery wrote the script “out of desperation” without really expecting to ever see it translated to the big screen — he attributes its adaptation by director and co-star Ben Affleck (with lead actor Matt Damon also producing) to luck more than his own writing excellence. And though Convery, now 30, conceived Air while a less-than-gainfully-employed 20-something with zero movie or TV credits during the dull days of pandemic lockdown, he shrugs at the Hollywood narrative around his “written by” allocation on the film: after years of false starts, a drawerful of unmade scripts, and years of low-level showbiz drudge work, that he could somehow be viewed as an “overnight” success. “It’s been funny to hear, ‘Oh, my gosh, this is your first screenplay. Congratulations!’” he tells Vulture via video link. “I have a graveyard of unproduced screenplays too. Since graduating film school, it’s been nine years of grinding away, chipping away, trying to write The One. And why this one instead of the other ones? I don’t know. Most of it is just the right people reading the right script at the right time.”

Before the Jordan brand became a multibillion-dollar cash cow for Nike, before Jordan exploded the business model for pro-model profit participation by becoming the first athlete to earn a cut on the sale of every shoe bearing his name and Jumpman likeness, it’s easy to forget that his signing with the granola-crunchy, Oregon-based shoe manufacturer was hardly a no-brainer. Heading into his rookie year with the Chicago Bulls, the NCAA All-American First Team recruit and National Player of the Year was intent on endorsing Adidas, then the 800-pound gorilla and all-around coolest company in the sports-shoe world. Nike, for its part, was a running-shoe powerhouse but basketball also-ran, ranking third in market share behind Converse and arguably dead last in terms of street cred. As is detailed in broad strokes in Air, Nike marketing exec Sonny Vaccaro (played by Damon) spotted Jordan’s GOAT potential and reluctantly persuaded company co-founder Phil Knight (Affleck) to divert Nike’s entire basketball budget toward signing the player. From there, Vaccaro reverse-engineered the brand as an extension of the athlete — instead of the other way around, an industry first — and performed an end run around Jordan’s hard-charging agent, David Falk (Chris Messina), by personally cajoling Jordan’s shrewd and influential mother, Deloris (Viola Davis), to bet on Nike, ultimately sealing the deal.

It’s obviously scary. There’s a million examples of when A-list talent comes in, F-list talent disappears and you never hear from them again.
Moreover, before there existed even the kernel of an idea for an Air screenplay, there was The Last Dance: the culture-saturating 2020 ESPN-Netflix docuseries that charts Jordan’s rise as basketball’s preeminent superstar and embattled leader of the Bulls over the team’s 1990s multi-championship run. “I was locked up in those early months of quarantine, like everyone, watching The Last Dance,” Convery says. “And there’s that three-minute clip in episode 5 about the Nike story. It’s very macro. It kind of breezes through it quickly. But for whatever reason, the machinations of that clicked. I thought, Man, this is a movie.”

It didn’t hurt that Convery, a lifelong basketball fan and native of the Chicago suburbs who moved to L.A. for USC film school in 2010, had played a tangential role in the production of a 2015 episode of ESPN’s Emmy-winning documentary series 30 for 30 titled “Sole Man.” That episode also follows Vaccaro’s career arc as the executive who revolutionized new revenue streams around student athletics; he basically rewrote the rules of sports-apparel pitchmen, vaulting Nike to the top of the business heap with his relentless pursuit of Jordan. Although Convery was only a low-level assistant to one of the show’s producers at the time, he had up-close access to its source material and oversight of its editorial process. “I was tapped in on all the phone calls and saw lots of cuts of the episode with raw footage. Sonny is truly a one-of-a-kind character. But I wasn’t sitting there in 2015 thinking, Maybe there’s a story here to tell one day,” he recalls.

Over the intervening years while working a series of dues-paying jobs including Hollywood management-firm assistant and sales rep for a tutoring company, Convery kept churning out spec scripts to modest acclaim. (Spec scripts are screenplays written “on speculation” with no contractual agreement by a studio or financier to ever be put into production.) Several of them landed on the Black List, the ballyhooed annual survey of studio and production company executives ranking their favorite unproduced movie scripts. There was Bag Man (2018), which Convery describes as “Heat but set in the world of college football,” and Excelsior! (2020), a biographical drama plotted around “the meteoric rise (and subsequent fall)” of Marvel Comics’s creative titans Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. For a period of 48 hours, Sony considered developing Excelsior! into a motion picture before dropping the project, leaving Convery demoralized. “Heartbreaking,” he says. “I vowed never to write a spec again.”

That all changed in 2020 with an epiphany born of Last Dance binge-watching and pandemic sheltering in place. “I just thought, Someone must have tried this as a movie already. And I started poking around and no one had,” Convery says. He specced out a boardroom procedural originally titled Air Jordan based on his extensive Googling of Vaccaro and the background materials he’d reviewed during the “Sole Man” production. His goal: “At best, a strong sample that would get my work and my name back out there, maybe make the Black List again.” He figured, “Maybe it can get me a different job. But my reps believed in it and sent it around. And for whatever reason, there was a lot of interest. It was kind of competitive, and I was trying to decide between a couple of different production companies.”

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Alex Convery (no longer in his 20s, nor underemployed).

Convery signed a deal with Mandalay Entertainment, the production company behind The Last Dance. Mandalay in turn entered into partnership with Skydance Sports — a company headed by none other than Jon Weinbach, one of the co-directors of 30 for 30’s “Sole Man,” who helped secure Vaccaro’s life rights for the project. Convery regained access to hours of archival footage and reams of interview transcripts and met with Vaccaro in Palm Springs to pore over the script, mapping out “what we got right, what we got wrong.”

Affleck and Damon announced their attachment to the then-untitled “sports marketing drama” last April, which became its own blessing and potential curse. Affleck met with Jordan, seeking further screenplay verisimilitude, resulting in a new centrality for the Deloris Jordan character (as well as the direct suggestion to cast Academy Award winner Davis in the role). But given the stars’ writing background — Damon and Affleck won the 1998 Oscar for Best Original Screenplay for Good Will Hunting — Convery fully anticipated being marginalized. “Ben was very open about it. ‘We want to do a pass on the screenplay. It’s always the best idea wins. There’s stuff we’re going to add,’” he says. “It’s obviously scary. I was an unproduced screenwriter. And there’s a million examples of when A-list talent comes in, F-list talent disappears and you never hear from them again.”

On set, Convery had a front-row seat to more on-the-fly alterations to his work courtesy of Air’s ensemble cast. “Chris Tucker’s stuff is almost all him. Jason Bateman is an Emmy-winning director for Ozark. He was doing a ton of invention,” says Convery. “There was just a kind of permission to do what you want and if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. To me, the best line in the movie is something Viola just improv’d on the day: ‘A shoe is just a shoe until my son steps into it.’”

Then, on the last day of principal photography, Affleck took the writer aside. “He said, ‘We’re not going to arbitrate, we’re going to give you sole credit.’ He said, ‘Look, it was a spec script. It was your story. When we were coming up as writers, so many people gave us the benefit of the doubt and gave us a chance. They paid it forward for us and we’re going to pay it back,’” recalls Convery.

Originally set to skip theaters and stream on Amazon Prime Video, Air’s sky-high test-screening scores persuaded the platform to initially give it an exclusive global theatrical push — the first time the Seattle-based streaming giant has bypassed digital primacy since 2019. Buoyed by the film’s buzz, Convery already has another sports-related project teed up at Skydance. But he remains clear-eyed about the confluence of X factors that put him in such a privileged position and the hard work it’ll take for him to find himself there again. “My biggest lesson over the last 13 years is there’s just no finish lines,” the writer says. “So the job is still the same as when I was a freshman in film school. You’re sitting at a computer writing. That part never changes.”

“After that, it’s really, which way is the wind blowing?” he continues. “And who is going to read the script? And is it the right time? As exciting as Air is, so much of it is luck. Look, I like the script and I’m proud. But if Matt and Ben hadn’t read it when they did, if they weren’t looking to start this new production company that’s trying to make movies like this, who knows? It’s just right script, right place, right people, right time. You only get to control one part of that, which is right script. So focus on that. And hope for the best.”
I would like to see Excelsior!. Stan Lee and Marvel essentially ripped off Jack Kirby apparently. It would be cool if that story were told.
 

godofwine

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I got a question, have any of you actually published a novel or something on amazon? I just reached the halfway point of my editing. After that I got to send it back to the copy editor and hopefully I will be able to get this bad boy published by June

This is of course my first foray into. Though it is a Zane-type erotic fiction tale, I believe it is a good story that people will enjoy

I admittedly don't know much about the process, but I do at least want to make some kind of profit from this. With all I've spent on:

Copy editor: $1000
Setting up LLC in Wyoming: $125 plus some other bills

The cover, I can't thank @Mixd enough. This shit is dope. I must look at it twice a week and just marvel at how eye-catching it is. It's not over the top and excessive but still it's eye-catching.

You look at that cover and you know exactly what that book is about.

If this shit pops off, I'm gonna a toss some thank you money at Mixd on GPand maybe have him do some more covers.

 
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I got a question, have any of you actually published a novel or something on amazon? I just reached the halfway point of my editing. After that I got to send it back to the copy editor and hopefully I will be able to get this bad boy published by June

This is of course my first foray into. Though it is a Zane-type erotic fiction tale, I believe it is a good story that people will enjoy

I admittedly don't know much about the process, but I do at least want to make some kind of profit from this. With all I've spent on:

Copy editor: $1000
Setting up LLC in Wyoming: $125 plus some other bills

The cover, I can't thank @Mixd enough. This shit is dope. I must look at it twice a week and just marvel at how eye-catching it is. It's not over the top and excessive but still it's eye-catching.

You look at that cover and you know exactly what that book is about.

If this shit pops off, I'm gonna a toss some thank you money at Mixd on GPand maybe have him do some more covers.

I've done two books on there many years ago
They do print on demand and Kindle books. I don't know the process now, haven't kept up on the books but had some self help books I did recently with ChatGPT that I kept procrastinating with. I may or may not polish them up and put them on there.

The stuff is pretty straight forward to put on there. They make it simple. You will probably also need the spline and back creatives as well if you want me do them when the time comes. Just let me know.
 

playahaitian

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I've done two books on there many years ago
They do print on demand and Kindle books. I don't know the process now, haven't kept up on the books but had some self help books I did recently with ChatGPT that I kept procrastinating with. I may or may not polish them up and put them on there.

The stuff is pretty straight forward to put on there. They make it simple. You will probably also need the spline and back creatives as well if you want me do them when the time comes. Just let me know.

Mixd>>>>>>>>*
 

playahaitian

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OK seriously...

I think courses like this DO help. Its good to have a professional with the proper vocabulary to critique counsel and advice especially when you have a nearly completed project. Even if you are going to self publish (SALUTE BY THE WAY) I think its important to have the FORMAT STRUCTURE TONE VOICE etc down solid and courses like this can help you do that.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor


OK seriously...

I think courses like this DO help. Its good to have a professional with the proper vocabulary to critique counsel and advice especially when you have a nearly completed project. Even if you are going to self publish (SALUTE BY THE WAY) I think its important to have the FORMAT STRUCTURE TONE VOICE etc down solid and courses like this can help you do that.

You thinking of writing a novel, fam?
 

playahaitian

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15 Brief Tips to Instantly Improve Your Writing​

Lessons from a seasoned writing instructor​

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This story is behind Medium’s membership paywall, which means the writer earns through our Partner Program. To become a Medium member, click here.

Without a doubt, writing is the most important skill in my life. Better writing helped me to think and communicate better, which resulted in more happiness and career opportunities.
It’s the skill I apply the most. And it took me time and plenty of trial and error to learn. So in this article, I’ll share 15 brief tips you can instantly apply to your writing without studying the craft for years. These tips will help you to stand with your words.

1. Keep it brief​

Short writing forces you to be clear. Because our thoughts are usually abstract and all over the place, our writing tends to be the same.
You can avoid that by always aiming to be as brief as possible.

2. Assume your reader doesn’t know what you’re talking about​

People live busy lives. So we can’t expect they’ll know what we’re talking about. When you’re writing an email, report, message, article, and so forth; assume that your reader doesn’t have the same experience as you.
That keeps your writing fresh and accessible to everyone.

3. Write during your best hour of the day​

Your mood reflects your writing. If you’re agitated, your writing will sound agitated. You might be good at putting on a game face, but your subconscious is something you don’t control.
That doesn’t mean you should only write when you’re in a good mood. Simply write during the time of the day you are usually in a better mood. I prefer first thing in the morning or late in the evening.

4. Tell personal stories​

There are a lot of self-help books these days that follow the same formula: Tell a historical story, then draw lessons from it.
If you look at Amazon reviews of those types of books, the #1 criticism is the lack of personal perspective. While it’s cool to say, “no one cares about you,” the truth is that people actually do care about your personal stories.
The other day, a business partner emailed me about a project that was delayed because she got Covid and how long it took to recover. In response, I talked about my previous stomach problems, and how it took me a month to feel normal again.
Our stories connected us on a personal level. Personal stories help readers relate to your work more.

5. Avoid immediately hitting “publish” or “send”​

It’s generally bad practice to immediately send or publish the moment you’re finished. You want to give your writing a fresh read before you do.
Maybe you were a bit too rash in your response. Maybe you forgot to attach a link or file. And so forth. Just give yourself a few minutes, do something else, and return to your writing later. Then you can reread and edit your work before sending it.

6. Avoid clichés​

Let’s circle back, ping a message, include deliverables, create the bandwidth, and peel back the layers of the onion!
People can’t stand those terms because they make you sound like a robot.

7. Journal every day​

Thoughts are abstract. Writing is specific. When you journal, you practice your ability to translate your thoughts into words.
Just like any other skill, it’s all about repetition. The more you do it with intention, the better you will get.

8. Be direct​

Say what you want, mean, or feel. Avoid leaving things open to interpretation because that only annoys people.
We can often be more direct in our writing than in real life. When I teach these types of writing lessons in my video course, I don’t need to be this direct because I can use my voice, facial expressions, and examples to make my point.
But when we write, we only have our words. So make them count.

9. Write short paragraphs​

Keep your paragraphs to three to four sentences max. It’s much easier to read a piece of text if the paragraphs are short.

10. Don’t ask for too much feedback on your writing​

@godofwine

Sounds counterintuitive right? The problem with asking for feedback from different people (who are probably not even good writers) is that you end up confused.

It’s one of the biggest misconceptions about writing. You really don’t need feedback from people to be great. Too much feedback from the wrong people waters down your writing. If you want feedback, ask someone who knows what they’re talking about.

11. Use everyday words​

Avoid using fancy words that people only use when they write. When was the last time you heard someone say “laconic”? It means using few words to say something, which actually makes it a great word. But no one uses that word when they talk.
As Hemingway said: “It is all very well for you to write simply and the simpler the better.”

12. Write with the door closed​

Writing is mentally taxing work. It must be taken seriously and deserves your full attention. It’s impossible to write well and do something else at the same time.
So write with the door closed. When you’re done and your work is ready to go out into the world: open the door.

13. Just tell the truth​

People often say, “I don’t know what to write!” Just write the truth.
Whether it’s an email reply or a book, be genuine and say what’s on your mind.

14. Fear NOTHING​

We often use phrases like could, would, maybe, to hide behind them. But when you write, it’s not the time to figure things out. It’s time to speak with conviction.
Don’t be afraid of making mistakes, whether that’s in grammar or your judgment. Your writing should not be perfect.
“For Christ sake [sic] write and don’t worry about what the boys will say nor whether it will be a masterpiece nor what. I write one page of masterpiece to ninety one pages of shit. I try to put the shit in the wastebasket.” That’s what Ernest Hemingway wrote in a letter to F. Scott Fitzgerald.
It’s a fearless mindset. If people criticize your writing, so what? People who are so stuck up that they are “put off” by typos or grammar errors are not likable anyway. No need to please them.

15. Walk away if you’re stuck​

Writing can either move smoothly like water or trudge like mud. When you feel like you’re trudging in mud and you can’t write a single sentence, just stop it altogether.
Good writing flows. When you sit down to write, the words should pour on the screen. If that doesn’t happen, it means you shouldn’t be writing that specific thing at that specific time.
Walk away. Write something else. Have a cup of tea.

Good writing is good thinking​

The tips I shared in this article have little to do with language or grammar. Good writing comes from good thinking.
It’s about translating your thoughts into words. It’s also about having respect for your reader. You want to make it easy for others to read what you have to say.
This is not something that happens overnight. To become good writers, we need to practice. But it’s worth it because writing is the most important skill I can think of.
 

godofwine

Supreme Porn Poster - Ret
BGOL Investor

15 Brief Tips to Instantly Improve Your Writing​

Lessons from a seasoned writing instructor​

1*c6OT-ydJULlBoU_P4mr1wg.png

This story is behind Medium’s membership paywall, which means the writer earns through our Partner Program. To become a Medium member, click here.

Without a doubt, writing is the most important skill in my life. Better writing helped me to think and communicate better, which resulted in more happiness and career opportunities.
It’s the skill I apply the most. And it took me time and plenty of trial and error to learn. So in this article, I’ll share 15 brief tips you can instantly apply to your writing without studying the craft for years. These tips will help you to stand with your words.

1. Keep it brief​

Short writing forces you to be clear. Because our thoughts are usually abstract and all over the place, our writing tends to be the same.
You can avoid that by always aiming to be as brief as possible.

2. Assume your reader doesn’t know what you’re talking about​

People live busy lives. So we can’t expect they’ll know what we’re talking about. When you’re writing an email, report, message, article, and so forth; assume that your reader doesn’t have the same experience as you.
That keeps your writing fresh and accessible to everyone.

3. Write during your best hour of the day​

Your mood reflects your writing. If you’re agitated, your writing will sound agitated. You might be good at putting on a game face, but your subconscious is something you don’t control.
That doesn’t mean you should only write when you’re in a good mood. Simply write during the time of the day you are usually in a better mood. I prefer first thing in the morning or late in the evening.

4. Tell personal stories​

There are a lot of self-help books these days that follow the same formula: Tell a historical story, then draw lessons from it.
If you look at Amazon reviews of those types of books, the #1 criticism is the lack of personal perspective. While it’s cool to say, “no one cares about you,” the truth is that people actually do care about your personal stories.
The other day, a business partner emailed me about a project that was delayed because she got Covid and how long it took to recover. In response, I talked about my previous stomach problems, and how it took me a month to feel normal again.
Our stories connected us on a personal level. Personal stories help readers relate to your work more.

5. Avoid immediately hitting “publish” or “send”​

It’s generally bad practice to immediately send or publish the moment you’re finished. You want to give your writing a fresh read before you do.
Maybe you were a bit too rash in your response. Maybe you forgot to attach a link or file. And so forth. Just give yourself a few minutes, do something else, and return to your writing later. Then you can reread and edit your work before sending it.

6. Avoid clichés​

Let’s circle back, ping a message, include deliverables, create the bandwidth, and peel back the layers of the onion!
People can’t stand those terms because they make you sound like a robot.

7. Journal every day​

Thoughts are abstract. Writing is specific. When you journal, you practice your ability to translate your thoughts into words.
Just like any other skill, it’s all about repetition. The more you do it with intention, the better you will get.

8. Be direct​

Say what you want, mean, or feel. Avoid leaving things open to interpretation because that only annoys people.
We can often be more direct in our writing than in real life. When I teach these types of writing lessons in my video course, I don’t need to be this direct because I can use my voice, facial expressions, and examples to make my point.
But when we write, we only have our words. So make them count.

9. Write short paragraphs​

Keep your paragraphs to three to four sentences max. It’s much easier to read a piece of text if the paragraphs are short.

10. Don’t ask for too much feedback on your writing​

@godofwine

Sounds counterintuitive right? The problem with asking for feedback from different people (who are probably not even good writers) is that you end up confused.

It’s one of the biggest misconceptions about writing. You really don’t need feedback from people to be great. Too much feedback from the wrong people waters down your writing. If you want feedback, ask someone who knows what they’re talking about.

11. Use everyday words​

Avoid using fancy words that people only use when they write. When was the last time you heard someone say “laconic”? It means using few words to say something, which actually makes it a great word. But no one uses that word when they talk.
As Hemingway said: “It is all very well for you to write simply and the simpler the better.”

12. Write with the door closed​

Writing is mentally taxing work. It must be taken seriously and deserves your full attention. It’s impossible to write well and do something else at the same time.
So write with the door closed. When you’re done and your work is ready to go out into the world: open the door.

13. Just tell the truth​

People often say, “I don’t know what to write!” Just write the truth.
Whether it’s an email reply or a book, be genuine and say what’s on your mind.

14. Fear NOTHING​

We often use phrases like could, would, maybe, to hide behind them. But when you write, it’s not the time to figure things out. It’s time to speak with conviction.
Don’t be afraid of making mistakes, whether that’s in grammar or your judgment. Your writing should not be perfect.
“For Christ sake [sic] write and don’t worry about what the boys will say nor whether it will be a masterpiece nor what. I write one page of masterpiece to ninety one pages of shit. I try to put the shit in the wastebasket.” That’s what Ernest Hemingway wrote in a letter to F. Scott Fitzgerald.
It’s a fearless mindset. If people criticize your writing, so what? People who are so stuck up that they are “put off” by typos or grammar errors are not likable anyway. No need to please them.

15. Walk away if you’re stuck​

Writing can either move smoothly like water or trudge like mud. When you feel like you’re trudging in mud and you can’t write a single sentence, just stop it altogether.
Good writing flows. When you sit down to write, the words should pour on the screen. If that doesn’t happen, it means you shouldn’t be writing that specific thing at that specific time.
Walk away. Write something else. Have a cup of tea.

Good writing is good thinking​

The tips I shared in this article have little to do with language or grammar. Good writing comes from good thinking.
It’s about translating your thoughts into words. It’s also about having respect for your reader. You want to make it easy for others to read what you have to say.
This is not something that happens overnight. To become good writers, we need to practice. But it’s worth it because writing is the most important skill I can think of.
#9 Write Short Paragraphs- I learned that here on BGOL.

If it's short paragraphs, it can make something big seem not quite as big. But if you use big super long paragraphs it's like a word wall and it not only intimidates people who might be interested in Reading it, if you lose your place you're screwed

Thanks for this though. Appreciate it as always
 

lazarus

waking people up
BGOL Investor
I got a question, have any of you actually published a novel or something on amazon? I just reached the halfway point of my editing. After that I got to send it back to the copy editor and hopefully I will be able to get this bad boy published by June

This is of course my first foray into. Though it is a Zane-type erotic fiction tale, I believe it is a good story that people will enjoy

I admittedly don't know much about the process, but I do at least want to make some kind of profit from this. With all I've spent on:

Copy editor: $1000
Setting up LLC in Wyoming: $125 plus some other bills

The cover, I can't thank @Mixd enough. This shit is dope. I must look at it twice a week and just marvel at how eye-catching it is. It's not over the top and excessive but still it's eye-catching.

You look at that cover and you know exactly what that book is about.

If this shit pops off, I'm gonna a toss some thank you money at Mixd on GPand maybe have him do some more covers.

you tapping in the right market with all these lonely, old hoes out here. Props.
 

playahaitian

Rising Star
Certified Pussy Poster
#9 Write Short Paragraphs- I learned that here on BGOL.

If it's short paragraphs, it can make something big seem not quite as big. But if you use big super long paragraphs it's like a word wall and it not only intimidates people who might be interested in Reading it, if you lose your place you're screwed

Thanks for this though. Appreciate it as always

the point I was directing you to was to not let TOO MUCH feedback hamper your style or progress.

YOU ARE A VERY GOOD WRITER bro.

sometimes you may actually be AHEAD of the person reading your stuff.

So you don't need to take ALL that outside noise inside your process.

Its a balance.
 

godofwine

Supreme Porn Poster - Ret
BGOL Investor
the point I was directing you to was to not let TOO MUCH feedback hamper your style or progress.

YOU ARE A VERY GOOD WRITER bro.

sometimes you may actually be AHEAD of the person reading your stuff.

So you don't need to take ALL that outside noise inside your process.

Its a balance.
Gotcha. I appreciate the props bro. Sometimes I doubt myself as you well know
 

godofwine

Supreme Porn Poster - Ret
BGOL Investor

They better be careful. AI is almost at the point where it can replace human beings and many of the creative fields

Writers are on the verge of being replaced, that's why I am so staunchly against AI
 

TheFuser

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
#9 Write Short Paragraphs- I learned that here on BGOL.

If it's short paragraphs, it can make something big seem not quite as big. But if you use big super long paragraphs it's like a word wall and it not only intimidates people who might be interested in Reading it, if you lose your place you're screwed

Thanks for this though. Appreciate it as always

Colin giving us all anxiety with our writing.

:roflmao:
 

godofwine

Supreme Porn Poster - Ret
BGOL Investor
Colin giving us all anxiety with our writing.

:roflmao:
Didn't he though? It was a great lesson to learn, though. Before Colin Powell, that 20 sentence word wall was standard operating procedure. Now it feels weird to write more than four sentences in a row
 

playahaitian

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Didn't he though? It was a great lesson to learn, though. Before Colin Powell, that 20 sentence word wall was standard operating procedure. Now it feels weird to write more than four sentences in a row

I switched to more clauses and short burst local paper journalism style writing on here.

truth be told? I LOVE a run on sentence and dense layered paragraph. From my rappers to comic books to movies I was always drawn to narration and prolonged dialogue and speech and prose etc

The villain giving the grand monologue while waiting for the hero to "die" in an elaborate death trap.
 

Piff Henderson

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They better be careful. AI is almost at the point where it can replace human beings and many of the creative fields

Writers are on the verge of being replaced, that's why I am so staunchly against AI
Bullshit. It works by stealing the work if other creators and it's still shit. AI won't be writing anything like War and Peace in our lifetimes. I guarantee it.
 

godofwine

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Bullshit. It works by stealing the work if other creators and it's still shit. AI won't be writing anything like War and Peace in our lifetimes. I guarantee it.
My friend put the first chapter of my novel into chat GPT and it prettied it up, but it took away my writing style and Flow. I liked it but at the same time I didn't, if that makes sense
 

playahaitian

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My friend put the first chapter of my novel into chat GPT and it prettied it up, but it took away my writing style and Flow. I liked it but at the same time I didn't, if that makes sense

Of course it makes perfect sense.

It has no soul. No sense of nuance. Flavor. Irony. Humor. Timing.

I can "hear" a writers voice when I read good work.

Sadly I feel like that is the one thing I never had and probably never will have.

I'm not worried about this AI

Yet

But I support the union getting all over this RIGHT NOW QUICK FAST.
 

godofwine

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Of course it makes perfect sense.

It has no soul. No sense of nuance. Flavor. Irony. Humor. Timing.

I can "hear" a writers voice when I read good work.

Sadly I feel like that is the one thing I never had and probably never will have.

I'm not worried about this AI

Yet

But I support the union getting all over this RIGHT NOW QUICK FAST.
"Sadly I feel like that is the one thing I never had and probably never will have."

What do you mean by this?
 

playahaitian

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"Sadly I feel like that is the one thing I never had and probably never will have."

What do you mean by this?

Never thought I had a distinctive voice with my own writing style.

It's a gift that many take for granted, being able to be distinctive like that.

Read Chuck Palahniuk for example.

I met him and told him that and he loved me for that and then properly read me the riot act outside for saying I couldn't write myself.
 

TheFuser

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Of course it makes perfect sense.

It has no soul. No sense of nuance. Flavor. Irony. Humor. Timing.

I can "hear" a writers voice when I read good work.

Sadly I feel like that is the one thing I never had and probably never will have.

I'm not worried about this AI

Yet

But I support the union getting all over this RIGHT NOW QUICK FAST.

This. A lot of us draw from personal experiences and you can feel the passion and the emotion in the writing. AI can't emulate that (yet?).

ChatGPT can help us format shit. Maybe help organize plot points and beats, but when it writes out stories that shit is BORING
 

playahaitian

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This. A lot of us draw from personal experiences and you can feel the passion and the emotion in the writing. AI can't emulate that (yet?).

ChatGPT can help us format shit. Maybe help organize plot points and beats, but when it writes out stories that shit is BORING

Flavorless middle school sh*t

However it can be used as a tool to help streamline your thoughts on a draft.

I have still not really used it myself cause I know it's the damn hellmouth beginning to open.
 

godofwine

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Never thought I had a distinctive voice with my own writing style.

It's a gift that many take for granted, being able to be distinctive like that.

Read Chuck Palahniuk for example.

I met him and told him that and he loved me for that and then properly read me the riot act outside for saying I couldn't write myself.
I thank you so much, and as often as I can. You are always encouraging me, often when I don't feel the confidence in myself or my writing.

Self-doubt is a bitch, and with writing, although I know what I'm doing, at the same time I kind of don't.

If you've ever seen the movie Finding Forrester, I need a Forrester. I need some old retired English teacher just for a little subtle things the way Jamal did in the movie.

And fuck that dude for saying you can't write. You've got an eye, and to me that's just as important as writing skills or your own voice.
This. A lot of us draw from personal experiences and you can feel the passion and the emotion in the writing. AI can't emulate that (yet?).

ChatGPT can help us format shit. Maybe help organize plot points and beats, but when it writes out stories that shit is BORING
True. Personal experience works into my work.

In one short story I wrote (posted below), a dying woman said, "Shoes. Shoes" when her husband got into bed with her.

Even as she was dying, she was thinking, "Hey, take your shoes off. Don't get into my bed with your shoes on."

That tracks. It's something, for those of us with moms, aunts or grandmas strict on the 'outside shoes inside the house,' that it doesn't matter the situation, no matter how grave, that is important to them.

It's subtle things like that that I add to my stories to make the person feel more real.

 

PsiBorg

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They better be careful. AI is almost at the point where it can replace human beings and many of the creative fields

Writers are on the verge of being replaced, that's why I am so staunchly against AI
AI will probably create stories with perfect grammar etc... But, the "soul" of the story will be missing. It's us, telling about our experiences through the characters that we create is what makes a good story.

For instance, I can say that I used to hate the smell of liniment. Because whenever I went to visit my Great-Grandmother's house, it smelled of liniment. But now that she's gone, that smell brings up memories of good times, laughs, homemade ice cream, and jelly-cakes.

AI wouldn't understand the nuances of the previous situation.
 

playahaitian

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I thank you so much, and as often as I can. You are always encouraging me, often when I don't feel the confidence in myself or my writing.

Self-doubt is a bitch, and with writing, although I know what I'm doing, at the same time I kind of don't.

If you've ever seen the movie Finding Forrester, I need a Forrester. I need some old retired English teacher just for a little subtle things the way Jamal did in the movie.

And fuck that dude for saying you can't write. You've got an eye, and to me that's just as important as writing skills or your own voice.

True. Personal experience works into my work.

In one short story I wrote (posted below), a dying woman said, "Shoes. Shoes" when her husband got into bed with her.

Even as she was dying, she was thinking, "Hey, take your shoes off. Don't get into my bed with your shoes on."

That tracks. It's something, for those of us with moms, aunts or grandmas strict on the 'outside shoes inside the house,' that it doesn't matter the situation, no matter how grave, that is important to them.

It's subtle things like that that I add to my stories to make the person feel more real.


No no no

Chuck was mad that I kept telling HIM I couldn't write. And he was arguing with me outside to stop saying that.

but obviously I was correct based on the confusion I created using a single sentence.
 

playahaitian

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AI will probably create stories with perfect grammar etc... But, the "soul" of the story will be missing. It's us, telling about our experiences through the characters that we create is what makes a good story.

For instance, I can say that I used to hate the smell of liniment. Because whenever I went to visit my Great-Grandmother's house, it smelled of liniment. But now that she's gone, that smell brings up memories of good times, laughs, homemade ice cream, and jelly-cakes.

AI wouldn't understand the nuances of the previous situation.

Please actually do that.

I am curious how it would handle those 3 sentences.
 

TheFuser

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Please actually do that.

I am curious how it would handle those 3 sentences.
I did it for him:






FADE IN:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

We see a young person standing outside of a house, wrinkling their nose.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Ugh, that smell of liniment. I hate it.​

CUT TO:​

INT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is sitting in the living room with their Great-Grandmother, who is applying liniment to her arms.

GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: (smiling)
Don't worry dear, it'll make me feel better.

YOUNG PERSON: (still wrinkling their nose)
I know, but I can't stand the smell.​

CUT TO:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is leaving the house.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Finally, I can breathe fresh air again.​

CUT TO:​

INT. YOUNG PERSON'S ROOM - DAY (PRESENT DAY)

The young person, now older, is sitting on their bed.

OLDER YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
I used to hate the smell of liniment. But now that she's gone, that smell brings up memories of good times, laughs, homemade ice cream, and jelly-cakes.​

FADE OUT.​
 

playahaitian

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I did it for him:






FADE IN:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

We see a young person standing outside of a house, wrinkling their nose.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Ugh, that smell of liniment. I hate it.​

CUT TO:​

INT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is sitting in the living room with their Great-Grandmother, who is applying liniment to her arms.

GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: (smiling)
Don't worry dear, it'll make me feel better.

YOUNG PERSON: (still wrinkling their nose)
I know, but I can't stand the smell.​

CUT TO:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is leaving the house.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Finally, I can breathe fresh air again.​

CUT TO:​

INT. YOUNG PERSON'S ROOM - DAY (PRESENT DAY)

The young person, now older, is sitting on their bed.

OLDER YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves) I
used to hate the smell of liniment. But now that she's gone, that smell brings up memories of good times, laughs, homemade ice cream, and jelly-cakes.​

FADE OUT.​

You know what?

I could see quite few Hollywood producers actually running with that bullsh*t
 

playahaitian

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I did it for him:






FADE IN:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

We see a young person standing outside of a house, wrinkling their nose.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Ugh, that smell of liniment. I hate it.​

CUT TO:​

INT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is sitting in the living room with their Great-Grandmother, who is applying liniment to her arms.

GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: (smiling)
Don't worry dear, it'll make me feel better.

YOUNG PERSON: (still wrinkling their nose)
I know, but I can't stand the smell.​

CUT TO:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is leaving the house.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Finally, I can breathe fresh air again.​

CUT TO:​

INT. YOUNG PERSON'S ROOM - DAY (PRESENT DAY)

The young person, now older, is sitting on their bed.

OLDER YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves) I
used to hate the smell of liniment. But now that she's gone, that smell brings up memories of good times, laughs, homemade ice cream, and jelly-cakes.​

FADE OUT.​

Ok tp be fair. Like I said earlier in terms of format structure etc? It has its uses

But the level of work your going to have to do to make THAT actually passable?

Is it really worth it?
 

playahaitian

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I did it for him:






FADE IN:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

We see a young person standing outside of a house, wrinkling their nose.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Ugh, that smell of liniment. I hate it.​

CUT TO:​

INT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is sitting in the living room with their Great-Grandmother, who is applying liniment to her arms.

GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: (smiling)
Don't worry dear, it'll make me feel better.

YOUNG PERSON: (still wrinkling their nose)
I know, but I can't stand the smell.​

CUT TO:​

EXT. GREAT-GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE - DAY

The young person is leaving the house.

YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
Finally, I can breathe fresh air again.​

CUT TO:​

INT. YOUNG PERSON'S ROOM - DAY (PRESENT DAY)

The young person, now older, is sitting on their bed.

OLDER YOUNG PERSON: (to themselves)
I used to hate the smell of liniment. But now that she's gone, that smell brings up memories of good times, laughs, homemade ice cream, and jelly-cakes.​

FADE OUT.​

This would be a fun bgol writer exercise to see you could improve this section the most without adding more than 100 words. @raze
 

TheFuser

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You know what?

I could see quite few Hollywood producers actually running with that bullsh*t

I had a general with one of the VPs from Fox Animation a few months back he touched on this. They know I'm not a seasoned screenwriter but they like my animated shorts series. I told him with regards to writing for Hollywood I'm building the plane while I fly it. He said, "I read well-manicured screenplays every day. They're not funny and unoriginal. It's a lot easier to learn how to use Final Draft than to learn to tell a funny story."

So at least we know some are tired of the same bullshit.
 
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