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Batwoman boss on why Hush was the 'perfect' Batman villain to introduce first
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A dangerous Batman rogue is coming to Batwoman this weekend.
In Sunday’s episode, Gotham’s newest hero Kate Kane (Ruby Rose) will cross paths with Thomas “Tommy” Elliot (Revenge‘s Gabriel Mann), a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne’s who returns to the beleaguered city and throws a party to celebrate the fact that he’s finally richer than the missing billionaire. As DC Comics fan know, Tommy eventually becomes the Wayne/Batman-obsessed villain Hush; however, they shouldn’t expect to see Mann thrown on Hush’s iconic bandages in this first appearance.
“It’s him before he becomes Hush,” Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries tells EW.
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Although Tommy has yet to embrace his comic book destiny, he does come home to Gotham with a bone to pick with Wayne and Batman, both of whom he believes have returned because of Kate’s recent antics. “[Kate and Tommy have] known each other in the past, but it brings Tommy into the Batman story on our show because he wants to kill Batman,” says Dries. “Tommy seemed like the perfect villain because at the time when he arrives, Gotham doesn’t know about Batwoman. They think it’s been Batman [because] she’s only appeared in this elusive, nebulous, shadowy way, so the city is confused, as is Tommy. So it made sense that a Batman villain would want to come to town to kill Batman, [and] that lures Tommy Elliot into Kate’s life.”
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She continues: “What made Tommy unique is that not only does he have a vendetta against Batman, but he also was very, very close with Bruce Wayne, seeing as how they were childhood best friends. So, it was helpful for the story that he thinks Bruce Wayne is back because Batman is back, and it just sort of triggered this detective story for us in the writers room and for Kate to figure out.”
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. on The CW.
Batwoman boss on that secret villain:
has 'absolutely bonkers' secrets
By Chancellor Agard
October 13, 2019 at 09:00 PM EDT
Warning: The following contains spoilers from the second episode of Batwoman, which aired Sunday night on The CW. Read at your own risk!
Alice isn’t the only member of the Kane family that Kate (Ruby Rose) should be wary of on Batwoman. There’s also her stepmother Catherine Hamilton-Kane (Elizabeth Anweis), who is up to something very shady.
In Sunday’s episode, Kate decided to prove Alice (Rachel Skarsten) was her long-lost sister Beth by testing her knife for DNA. Before she could that, though, a squad of rabbits ambushed her and Sophie (Meagan Tandy) in the Crow’s garage and stole the knife back. We’re led to believe Alice was behind the attack — but then the end of the episode revealed that Jacob’s (Dougray Scott) wife Catherine hired men to dress up like Alice’s rabbits because she wanted to stop Kate from testing the blade. Pair that with the revelation that it was Catherine’s investigator who found the bone fragments that convinced Jacob Beth died 15 years ago, and we have a new mystery on our hands: Why is Catherine determined to keep Jacob from finding out Alice is Beth?
“We’re obviously teeing up a mini-villain here who has a huge secret about how she’s connected to Beth/Alice in the past,” Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries tells EW. “Like everything in Gotham, nothing is exactly as it seems and Catherine is one of those people… And Kate is going to discover secrets about Catherine that are absolutely bonkers.”
As the season unfolds, we’ll learn Catherine is essentially a powerful businesswoman who handles making defense contracts, and that she’s willing to do whatever it takes to safeguard both her family and the city.
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“She’s trying to protect Gotham, but she has her own way of going about it. She’s also in love with Jacob and she wants to preserve that relationship,” says Dries. “But Catherine being a mother, she’s not evil or anything. She has her own agenda as a mother to be protective and care about her city and care about her family and care about Jacob. So, it becomes a really interesting dynamic that we could barely hint at in the pilot because we didn’t have time, but Catherine becomes such a huge, instrumental character. There’s a mythology through-line about Kate’s family that Catherine is instrumental in.”
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So she’s comparable to Arrow’s Moira Queen, an iconic mother who crossed lines in the name of her kids? “Yeah, kind of. I was trying to not have her that way,” says Dries. “As a person without superpowers who has access to tons of power and tons of money and tons of connections, what ultimately unfolds is that she’s kind of like the chess-piece-mover of Gotham.”
Sounds like the Kane family drama will only get more complicated from here.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. on The CW.
October 13, 2019 at 09:00 PM EDT
Warning: The following contains spoilers from the second episode of Batwoman, which aired Sunday night on The CW. Read at your own risk!
Alice isn’t the only member of the Kane family that Kate (Ruby Rose) should be wary of on Batwoman. There’s also her stepmother Catherine Hamilton-Kane (Elizabeth Anweis), who is up to something very shady.
In Sunday’s episode, Kate decided to prove Alice (Rachel Skarsten) was her long-lost sister Beth by testing her knife for DNA. Before she could that, though, a squad of rabbits ambushed her and Sophie (Meagan Tandy) in the Crow’s garage and stole the knife back. We’re led to believe Alice was behind the attack — but then the end of the episode revealed that Jacob’s (Dougray Scott) wife Catherine hired men to dress up like Alice’s rabbits because she wanted to stop Kate from testing the blade. Pair that with the revelation that it was Catherine’s investigator who found the bone fragments that convinced Jacob Beth died 15 years ago, and we have a new mystery on our hands: Why is Catherine determined to keep Jacob from finding out Alice is Beth?
“We’re obviously teeing up a mini-villain here who has a huge secret about how she’s connected to Beth/Alice in the past,” Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries tells EW. “Like everything in Gotham, nothing is exactly as it seems and Catherine is one of those people… And Kate is going to discover secrets about Catherine that are absolutely bonkers.”
As the season unfolds, we’ll learn Catherine is essentially a powerful businesswoman who handles making defense contracts, and that she’s willing to do whatever it takes to safeguard both her family and the city.
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“She’s trying to protect Gotham, but she has her own way of going about it. She’s also in love with Jacob and she wants to preserve that relationship,” says Dries. “But Catherine being a mother, she’s not evil or anything. She has her own agenda as a mother to be protective and care about her city and care about her family and care about Jacob. So, it becomes a really interesting dynamic that we could barely hint at in the pilot because we didn’t have time, but Catherine becomes such a huge, instrumental character. There’s a mythology through-line about Kate’s family that Catherine is instrumental in.”
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So she’s comparable to Arrow’s Moira Queen, an iconic mother who crossed lines in the name of her kids? “Yeah, kind of. I was trying to not have her that way,” says Dries. “As a person without superpowers who has access to tons of power and tons of money and tons of connections, what ultimately unfolds is that she’s kind of like the chess-piece-mover of Gotham.”
Sounds like the Kane family drama will only get more complicated from here.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. on The CW.
Ill admit I like the second episode..
I tried, this shit is terrible
yeah, it's difficult to watch. i had it own, but wasn't even focused on it. time for Watchmen.
Remember Aisha Tyler?
In truth, that is exactly what this sister did....
(In reverse)
Also, pretty much ALL of the Black people in the CW/DCEU are either in an interracial relationship or gay/lesbian.
I believe that only Joe West on The Flash and Black Lightning himself are involved in Black on Black hetero relationships...
(A major part of why I stopped watching all of these shows regularly).
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they COULD really FIX this if they tried
Imbway behind on Supergirl,Batwoman,Arrow and Flash...
And then there's last season of Legends..I stopped watching it.
Imbway behind on Supergirl,Batwoman,Arrow and Flash...
And then there's last season of Legends..I stopped watching it.
just TOO MUCH content cuz...
way too much.
At least the CW app is FREE.
yup
I mam NOT sure how that works profit wise but CW and CW Seed app is still free. It has ads but barely noticeable.
Welp, we just got an enormous plot hole. More evidence of the shoddy writing and lack of continuity.
What's the plot hole, you ask? Well, Alice is supposedly motivated, went nuts, and seeks revenge on her father because he/they "gave up on her," e.g. the search for her. Buuuuuut, Alice just tried to blackmail the stepmother, who is the one who convinced Crow daddy to call off the search. Meaning Alice knew who was responsible for the search being stopped all along.
Shouldn't she be nutso against the stepmom then?
Yeah, it's very difficult to watch this show. It feels like I'm watching every DC show the plot lines are so similar. Watch one and you've watched them all.
What's the plot hole, you ask? Well, Alice is supposedly motivated, went nuts, and seeks revenge on her father because he/they "gave up on her," e.g. the search for her. Buuuuuut, Alice just tried to blackmail the stepmother, who is the one who convinced Crow daddy to call off the search. Meaning Alice knew who was responsible for the search being stopped all along.
Shouldn't she be nutso against the stepmom then?
Yeah, it's very difficult to watch this show. It feels like I'm watching every DC show the plot lines are so similar. Watch one and you've watched them all.
You know what...
I like this show.
Kats are going to bitch..
But I like this
I like how she started out pretending to be Batman without wanting to take up the mantel and now she is being pushed into it.
I like this show.
Kats are going to bitch..
But I like this
I like how she started out pretending to be Batman without wanting to take up the mantel and now she is being pushed into it.
I like the fact that She is like if I go out there and fuck up... I’m hurting the legacy of Batman. That’s good shit
I’m also a huge fan of the lighting and direction... it has a Dark Knight look to it
I’m also a huge fan of the lighting and direction... it has a Dark Knight look to it
Holy hell...
This show is not bad...
I'm not a fan yet but i like how they fixing things up.
I'm still torn if she is the right woman for this role. Sadly Katee may be too old.
But i did notice i like the way the series is shot, very distinctive.
I've bern interested throughout
Ummmm
The asian women on this show and the flash are fine as f*ck.
The asian women on this show and the flash are fine as f*ck.
Interesting choice in Hush...
But that was a bit rushed.
He damn near publicly declared himself supervillain.
Sidebar: Did he say the Riddler gave him Batman secret identity ?
But that was a bit rushed.
He damn near publicly declared himself supervillain.
Sidebar: Did he say the Riddler gave him Batman secret identity ?
@fonzerrillii .
@ansatsusha_gouki .
I notice these shows are having an issue crafting strong motivations for these villians.
@ansatsusha_gouki .
I notice these shows are having an issue crafting strong motivations for these villians.
Wtf...
Batlady batchick...
They really needed help naming her batwoman?
That was lame.
Batlady batchick...
They really needed help naming her batwoman?
That was lame.
My only issue with the show is how Luke Fox is portrayed...Why do every smart black man have to be a coward and weak..
I understand,he's the IT guy but not every IT person isnt a coward...
Kamilla would get it...
This is,why they should have all the shows set up Crisis...
You like EVERYTHING....
Lucas has been improving steadily...
They really did not know what to do with him initially. Cisco? Felicity? Gambi?
As long as they don't curtis him?
I'm good.
I would like to see a more alfred dynamic with Lucas...
Maybe even a Batwing or Signal in the near future.
Show that Kane and Lucas can be close friends partners...
Forget gay or straight.
A positive representation of a gay woman in a straight man in a close friendship.
Would be cool to see them out pretending to be a couple. Or checking out the same girls at a party scene.
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Watched the first 2 episodes and I’m done. Not wasting my time. Black Lightning, Flash and Arrow is enough for me.
Sidebar...
The sad thing is that piece of trash had a LOT of potential.
If they could have gotten eddie back.
And in this current poltical climate all the social issues?
Could have been classic.
This was a whole HEAP of shitty!!
@ansatsusha_gouki
@fonzerrillii
Look this aint bad...
And i actually like Alice
But ger motivation is absurd
She was never abandoned she was never forgotten
Kill the stepmom, kill batman, kill your kidnapper AND his son...
But the KEY to a GREAT villian is that the audience understands sympathizes connects with there pain. They hate them but UNDERSTAND.
Alice doesn't have that.
@fonzerrillii
Look this aint bad...
And i actually like Alice
But ger motivation is absurd
She was never abandoned she was never forgotten
Kill the stepmom, kill batman, kill your kidnapper AND his son...
But the KEY to a GREAT villian is that the audience understands sympathizes connects with there pain. They hate them but UNDERSTAND.
Alice doesn't have that.
They BETTER make sure to use Lucas well cause that kid got something.
Batwoman star says that major deviation from the comics changes everything for Luke
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November 09, 2019 at 08:00 AM EST
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After five episodes, Batwoman will finally reveal the whereabouts of Luke Fox’s father, Lucius Fox.
Ever since Camrus Johnson was cast as Luke, comic book readers have wondered about his dad’s status because Lucius — famously played by Morgan Freeman in Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy — is one of Batman’s main associates in the comics. In Sunday’s episode, viewers will learn that Lucius died sometime before the superhero drama started, which is a major deviation from canon and explains why Luke was working for/with Batman before he disappeared three years ago. Not only that, but this week’s installment will also kick off Luke’s emotional arc for the season.
Below, EW chats with Johnson about how Lucius’ passing creates a “brand-new Luke” from the comics, the evolution of Luke’s dynamic with Kate/Batwoman (Ruby Rose), and more.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: The logline says Luke confides in Kate. What can you tease about that?
CAMRUS JOHNSON: We finally dive a little bit into Luke’s backstory. We haven’t been able to really talk about what happened before the show started or where Lucius Fox is. Within this episode, he finally confides in Kate and talks a little bit about all of that, his relationship with his dad, and what happened to him. I’m pretty excited for the audience to finally get that answer because they’ve been asking what happened Lucius and where he is for a long time.
Did Caroline [Dries, the showrunner] tell you Luke’s backstory before you signed on, or did you learn Lucius was dead from this script?
[After] I got to read the [pilot] script, that’s when [Caroline] gave me the backstory of what exactly happened. She explained his relationship with Lucius and how Lucius passed, [and] she teased to me that he would grow throughout the season as that relationship with the passing gets different and gets stronger or worse.
So this is a major part of his arc in the first season?
Exactly. I always find that it’s very interesting how people react to people close to them passing away, because it’s not something that just happens and goes away. It sort of festers inside of you for such a long time. For a lot of people, it lasts for many, many years. Personally, when my grandpa passed, I didn’t really get over it for about two or three years. So I think that’s going to be part of Luke’s arc. Although he seems okay and he’s not very good at talking about it, he [tries to] go past it. I think eventually you’ll see his real feelings about the situation grow and grow and grow until he can truly heal from it.
Were you surprised when you found out that Lucius Fox was dead?
[I was] fully surprised because in the comic books, Luke is keeping his job and so many secrets from his dad; his relationship with Lucius is so important to the Luke Fox that I read in the comic. So to start this show off with Lucius being dead is very interesting because there’s a whole different side of the Luke Fox that I knew. It makes a brand-new Luke Fox because his icon, the dad he loved so much and wishes that he could protect, and the person that was his link to Bruce Wayne and Batman in the beginning, [is] not even there anymore. It was a total surprise to me, and I’m sure it’s now a total surprise to the fans to be able to see why Luke is where he is and why Lucius isn’t around.
Kate has also dealt with grief. Does this end up bringing them closer?
It’s hard to say if it brings them closer because, as you can tell, Luke doesn’t have much of a social life or personal life. I think talking to Kate about his father’s passing is gonna feel pretty awkward [and] a little misplaced because there’s no telling when’s the last time he even brought this up, the last time he even opened this can of worms. So if it does bring them closer, I don’t think Luke was doing that purposely. He’s not one to really get emotional, so once he brings it up, he sort of moves past it pretty quickly. So, it gets them closer in a way that Kate finally gets to see a little bit inside of him that she hasn’t been able to see quite yet. I don’t think Luke is any less closed off than he was before.
Right now it feels like Kate and Luke are mainly just co-workers. Can we expect their relationship to grow into a real a friendship?
It’s hard to say. I like to [think] that they’ve been “friends” for quite some time, maybe even since the third or fourth episode, but only because Luke doesn’t really have a lot. You saw the way he interacted with her in the first episode and he was very protective of his things and not very trusting. Then only a few episodes in, he suddenly gave her so much trust and believed in her so much to be the hero of the city. To Luke, that is a very huge form of friendship to him. I think he’ll always be a bit guarded because I think Gotham, the Batman legacy, and his dad’s legacy [are] the most important things to him. So, [with] his relationships with other people, including Kate Kane, he wouldn’t want that to get in the way of his goals and dreams for his city.
But I do see him and Kate getting closer because I feel like they must. As they continue to sort of co-hero or team up to take down Alice and all of these other bad guys, that will naturally make them be closer and become more on the foot of best friends because they’re gonna end up seeing each other so much, and not only with Luke confiding in her. I think Kate needs him because of all of her family drama and all the things happening with her sister.
In preparing for this role and your take on Luke Fox, did you look to previous takes on Lucius Fox on TV and in the movies for inspiration?
I actually did. Of course I watched Morgan Freeman’s Lucius Fox, the most famous Lucius Fox. I also watched a lot of Lucius Foxes in the animated projects. I believe it was Batman: Bad Blood. Watching Lucius in that was very interesting.
What I liked about Luke is, because I want him to grow over the show, I didn’t want him to feel as stoic as Lucius yet. He has so much more time to grow and get better at his job and really be the Lucius to Kate as he was to Batman. There’s always a similar heart to every Lucius that I’ve seen. I wanted Luke to have a very similar heart, but I wanted him to have a lot more energy, talk faster, and be a lot more nervous because he’s not his dad and he’s trying to fill this space and be the man in the chair behind the computer. He’s struggling and he will be struggling for some time because he’s new to this. So I like picturing Lucius as an end goal.
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After five episodes, Batwoman will finally reveal the whereabouts of Luke Fox’s father, Lucius Fox.
Ever since Camrus Johnson was cast as Luke, comic book readers have wondered about his dad’s status because Lucius — famously played by Morgan Freeman in Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy — is one of Batman’s main associates in the comics. In Sunday’s episode, viewers will learn that Lucius died sometime before the superhero drama started, which is a major deviation from canon and explains why Luke was working for/with Batman before he disappeared three years ago. Not only that, but this week’s installment will also kick off Luke’s emotional arc for the season.
Below, EW chats with Johnson about how Lucius’ passing creates a “brand-new Luke” from the comics, the evolution of Luke’s dynamic with Kate/Batwoman (Ruby Rose), and more.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: The logline says Luke confides in Kate. What can you tease about that?
CAMRUS JOHNSON: We finally dive a little bit into Luke’s backstory. We haven’t been able to really talk about what happened before the show started or where Lucius Fox is. Within this episode, he finally confides in Kate and talks a little bit about all of that, his relationship with his dad, and what happened to him. I’m pretty excited for the audience to finally get that answer because they’ve been asking what happened Lucius and where he is for a long time.
Did Caroline [Dries, the showrunner] tell you Luke’s backstory before you signed on, or did you learn Lucius was dead from this script?
[After] I got to read the [pilot] script, that’s when [Caroline] gave me the backstory of what exactly happened. She explained his relationship with Lucius and how Lucius passed, [and] she teased to me that he would grow throughout the season as that relationship with the passing gets different and gets stronger or worse.
So this is a major part of his arc in the first season?
Exactly. I always find that it’s very interesting how people react to people close to them passing away, because it’s not something that just happens and goes away. It sort of festers inside of you for such a long time. For a lot of people, it lasts for many, many years. Personally, when my grandpa passed, I didn’t really get over it for about two or three years. So I think that’s going to be part of Luke’s arc. Although he seems okay and he’s not very good at talking about it, he [tries to] go past it. I think eventually you’ll see his real feelings about the situation grow and grow and grow until he can truly heal from it.
Were you surprised when you found out that Lucius Fox was dead?
[I was] fully surprised because in the comic books, Luke is keeping his job and so many secrets from his dad; his relationship with Lucius is so important to the Luke Fox that I read in the comic. So to start this show off with Lucius being dead is very interesting because there’s a whole different side of the Luke Fox that I knew. It makes a brand-new Luke Fox because his icon, the dad he loved so much and wishes that he could protect, and the person that was his link to Bruce Wayne and Batman in the beginning, [is] not even there anymore. It was a total surprise to me, and I’m sure it’s now a total surprise to the fans to be able to see why Luke is where he is and why Lucius isn’t around.
Kate has also dealt with grief. Does this end up bringing them closer?
It’s hard to say if it brings them closer because, as you can tell, Luke doesn’t have much of a social life or personal life. I think talking to Kate about his father’s passing is gonna feel pretty awkward [and] a little misplaced because there’s no telling when’s the last time he even brought this up, the last time he even opened this can of worms. So if it does bring them closer, I don’t think Luke was doing that purposely. He’s not one to really get emotional, so once he brings it up, he sort of moves past it pretty quickly. So, it gets them closer in a way that Kate finally gets to see a little bit inside of him that she hasn’t been able to see quite yet. I don’t think Luke is any less closed off than he was before.
Right now it feels like Kate and Luke are mainly just co-workers. Can we expect their relationship to grow into a real a friendship?
It’s hard to say. I like to [think] that they’ve been “friends” for quite some time, maybe even since the third or fourth episode, but only because Luke doesn’t really have a lot. You saw the way he interacted with her in the first episode and he was very protective of his things and not very trusting. Then only a few episodes in, he suddenly gave her so much trust and believed in her so much to be the hero of the city. To Luke, that is a very huge form of friendship to him. I think he’ll always be a bit guarded because I think Gotham, the Batman legacy, and his dad’s legacy [are] the most important things to him. So, [with] his relationships with other people, including Kate Kane, he wouldn’t want that to get in the way of his goals and dreams for his city.
But I do see him and Kate getting closer because I feel like they must. As they continue to sort of co-hero or team up to take down Alice and all of these other bad guys, that will naturally make them be closer and become more on the foot of best friends because they’re gonna end up seeing each other so much, and not only with Luke confiding in her. I think Kate needs him because of all of her family drama and all the things happening with her sister.
In preparing for this role and your take on Luke Fox, did you look to previous takes on Lucius Fox on TV and in the movies for inspiration?
I actually did. Of course I watched Morgan Freeman’s Lucius Fox, the most famous Lucius Fox. I also watched a lot of Lucius Foxes in the animated projects. I believe it was Batman: Bad Blood. Watching Lucius in that was very interesting.
What I liked about Luke is, because I want him to grow over the show, I didn’t want him to feel as stoic as Lucius yet. He has so much more time to grow and get better at his job and really be the Lucius to Kate as he was to Batman. There’s always a similar heart to every Lucius that I’ve seen. I wanted Luke to have a very similar heart, but I wanted him to have a lot more energy, talk faster, and be a lot more nervous because he’s not his dad and he’s trying to fill this space and be the man in the chair behind the computer. He’s struggling and he will be struggling for some time because he’s new to this. So I like picturing Lucius as an end goal.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET/PT on the CW.
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Alice’s backstory is definitely creepier than expected.
In Batwoman‘s latest episode, Alice (Rachel Skarsten) revealed to Kate (Ruby Rose) that she was held captive in a cabin after the fatal car crash that killed their mother when they were 13. A creepy man found her on the side of the water and brought her home so that his son Johnny, whose face was severely disfigured, would have a friend. Even though she was scared for her life, Beth ended up befriending Johnny and nicknamed him Mouse. Flash-forward many years later, Alice has finally reunited with Mouse, who was locked up in Arkham Asylum for stealing faces off of corpses until the “Elseworlds” prison break. With Mouse’s help, Alice will get her revenge on her family and Gotham City. (Read EW’s full recap here)
Below, EW chats with Skarsten about how Alice’s backstory impacts her vengeful plan as the season progresses and more.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How heavily does Mouse figure into Alice’s plan for Gotham and the Kane family?
RACHEL SKARSTEN: He’s a very important part of her plan. There’ll even be a scene where she will say to him, “I can’t do this without you.” All of the years that Alice [was in] captivity, most of them were spent (after her sort of break with reality) planning this great, grand plan and scheme that she has to enact revenge and to bring Kate over to her side, and Mouse was definitely a very important part of all of those things. So it’s interesting because then you see this other relationship. You find Kate, who’s kind of caught between her father and her sister, and now we’ll start to see Alice be caught between her two sort of siblings in Mouse and Kate.
In episode 2, Alice went after Kate’s stepsister Mary at least partially out of jealousy, and it’s clear she isn’t happy that Jacob and Kate found this new family after her disappearance. Now, we find out that Alice also formed her own new family while she was away, too.
Absolutely. I really like the character of Mouse because I think after any trauma, there’s a part of you that stays the age that it happened. I just amplified that with the actor who plays Mouse, Sam Littlefield. So you see this very childlike quality to their relationship and this kind of innocence, even though the words coming out of their mouth are so maniacal. To them it’s like they’re just playing in the basement still. That’s been really interesting for me to have that element to Alice as well.
Alice promises Mouse that she can help become whoever he wants to be. Can we expect Mouse to jump through different identities with Alice’s help?
Yes, we can expect that Mouse’s history and past, obviously with the different faces, will be utilized both by Mouse and Alice and in their plans going forward, 100 percent.
When Alice first sees Jacob in the episode, she seems genuinely moved that he calls her Beth right before she stabs him. Do you think there’s part of Alice that is conflicted about what she has in store for her family?
In my version of Alice as I create her, 100 percent. The craziest part about Alice is that there are very much two people who exist within the same mind and body and spirit, and that is why in my mythos of Alice, she is redeemable but also why she is so scary and insane. Within the flip of a coin, one moment she will genuinely be in that moment with her father and loving him and sort of getting what she had needed for years and years and years, and the next moment she’s stabbing him. It’s my favorite part of Alice because you never really know which Alice you’re standing with. To me, that moment, yes, it was 100 percent genuine. That’s what she’d been waiting for so many years.
There’s still a huge gap in Alice’s backstory. Do you know if we’ll learn more about what happened after Alice and Jacob left the house without finding her?
We will delve in as the season progresses even more into the sort of blank space in Alice’s life and see a little bit more of what happened, and some of the characters will come back from that time and they are in present-day very much involved in Alice’s plan for Gotham and for the Kane family going forward.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. on The CW.
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Warning: This article contains spoilers for the fifth episode of Batwoman, titled “Mine Is a Long And a Sad Tale.”
Alice’s backstory is definitely creepier than expected.
In Batwoman‘s latest episode, Alice (Rachel Skarsten) revealed to Kate (Ruby Rose) that she was held captive in a cabin after the fatal car crash that killed their mother when they were 13. A creepy man found her on the side of the water and brought her home so that his son Johnny, whose face was severely disfigured, would have a friend. Even though she was scared for her life, Beth ended up befriending Johnny and nicknamed him Mouse. Flash-forward many years later, Alice has finally reunited with Mouse, who was locked up in Arkham Asylum for stealing faces off of corpses until the “Elseworlds” prison break. With Mouse’s help, Alice will get her revenge on her family and Gotham City. (Read EW’s full recap here)
Below, EW chats with Skarsten about how Alice’s backstory impacts her vengeful plan as the season progresses and more.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How heavily does Mouse figure into Alice’s plan for Gotham and the Kane family?
RACHEL SKARSTEN: He’s a very important part of her plan. There’ll even be a scene where she will say to him, “I can’t do this without you.” All of the years that Alice [was in] captivity, most of them were spent (after her sort of break with reality) planning this great, grand plan and scheme that she has to enact revenge and to bring Kate over to her side, and Mouse was definitely a very important part of all of those things. So it’s interesting because then you see this other relationship. You find Kate, who’s kind of caught between her father and her sister, and now we’ll start to see Alice be caught between her two sort of siblings in Mouse and Kate.
In episode 2, Alice went after Kate’s stepsister Mary at least partially out of jealousy, and it’s clear she isn’t happy that Jacob and Kate found this new family after her disappearance. Now, we find out that Alice also formed her own new family while she was away, too.
Absolutely. I really like the character of Mouse because I think after any trauma, there’s a part of you that stays the age that it happened. I just amplified that with the actor who plays Mouse, Sam Littlefield. So you see this very childlike quality to their relationship and this kind of innocence, even though the words coming out of their mouth are so maniacal. To them it’s like they’re just playing in the basement still. That’s been really interesting for me to have that element to Alice as well.
Alice promises Mouse that she can help become whoever he wants to be. Can we expect Mouse to jump through different identities with Alice’s help?
Yes, we can expect that Mouse’s history and past, obviously with the different faces, will be utilized both by Mouse and Alice and in their plans going forward, 100 percent.
When Alice first sees Jacob in the episode, she seems genuinely moved that he calls her Beth right before she stabs him. Do you think there’s part of Alice that is conflicted about what she has in store for her family?
In my version of Alice as I create her, 100 percent. The craziest part about Alice is that there are very much two people who exist within the same mind and body and spirit, and that is why in my mythos of Alice, she is redeemable but also why she is so scary and insane. Within the flip of a coin, one moment she will genuinely be in that moment with her father and loving him and sort of getting what she had needed for years and years and years, and the next moment she’s stabbing him. It’s my favorite part of Alice because you never really know which Alice you’re standing with. To me, that moment, yes, it was 100 percent genuine. That’s what she’d been waiting for so many years.
There’s still a huge gap in Alice’s backstory. Do you know if we’ll learn more about what happened after Alice and Jacob left the house without finding her?
We will delve in as the season progresses even more into the sort of blank space in Alice’s life and see a little bit more of what happened, and some of the characters will come back from that time and they are in present-day very much involved in Alice’s plan for Gotham and for the Kane family going forward.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. on The CW.