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CAMRON says he prefers to use the term Black American over African American because "Africans don't even f**k with us."
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Man we still calling each other n....s and negroes, let alone African American vs Black. We are doomed. Constantly fighting over the dumbest shit.
This show just afforded them a multi million dollar deal to shovel more ignorance masked under a pause joke.
Lyor Cohen taught them how to hustle well
This show just afforded them a multi million dollar deal to shovel more ignorance masked under a pause joke.
Lyor Cohen taught them how to hustle well
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Hold up....I know America was given Puerto Rico in the Peace Treaty post-Spanish-American war, and by your logic that would make Fat Joe part American since he is half PR and Cuban? Tariq calls him a tether which fits him all day no denying. And that would make dudes like Dr. Colon American another tether and the rest of the PR cats that claim they started hip-hop?
No America took Puerto Rico. They are American but they choose to claim Puerto Rican.
So
Ok, America took Puerto Rico you right shit was a full-out war. So half of Fat Joe is American and that's a big half
. Dudes like Dr. Colon is American when he does tether shit like Fat Joe. Those two and the other PR cats who claim to start hip-hop are Americans and not tethers when they have been marked as tethers already.
Hit dogs hollaCam'ron is a BOT sent by the Republican Party. This is clearly an election year scam.
Man we still calling each other n....s and negroes, let alone African American vs Black. We are doomed. Constantly fighting over the dumbest shit.
This show just afforded them a multi million dollar deal to shovel more ignorance masked under a pause joke.
Lyor Cohen taught them how to hustle well
100%
What, what my brother?!?!
Never trust a brother with pencil moustache, they mostly gay and sleazy men.
Every week you see in the NYTimes about migrant children getting exploited and it wears on you.
When you hear anyone, specifically, “black” men concede to their abusers abuses, it breaks your heart and it wears on you. Do you know why they change the name every 2 generations? So we won’t realize they’ve been abusing us for quite some time. Think of the names as a new EIN. New EIN means a new line of credit. What happens when you have a history of bad credit. You are going to ruin that too. White people put ideas into our heads, we repeat them thinking it’s going to lead to freedom, and when it doesn’t you’re left with a bad taste in your mouth and and IOU from a bum ass mothafucka. I seen them do with the West Indies Federation. It’s why feminism is dumb. It was created by white men. When your oppressor is tasked with coming up with ways to create a competitor, you will always get these half-baked ideas.
I agree, but definitely not because of Cam’s reason.
I consider myself Black American simply because the disconnection from Africa is too many generations removed. I’m rooted here. Family history and all. Only genealogy connects me to the motherland, but my family tree on both mom and dad’s side starts after 1865 in America. That’s a 159 year difference. Whatever that was African about me was deceased in the 1800s.
I consider myself Black American simply because the disconnection from Africa is too many generations removed. I’m rooted here. Family history and all. Only genealogy connects me to the motherland, but my family tree on both mom and dad’s side starts after 1865 in America. That’s a 159 year difference. Whatever that was African about me was deceased in the 1800s.
And who are black people in relation to white people? It’s an antagonistic relationship. Who’s an Ethiopian to a Somalian? To first know something you have to study it. Who wrote the books? Who tests your comprehension and understand of the book at its completion? The same folks who called you the N word?
I don’t think imprisoning your brothers and sisters is a hustle. When you realize the judge or barrister that owned you was in England while you were in Jamaica, it makes you realize that we really imprison ourselves.Man we still calling each other n....s and negroes, let alone African American vs Black. We are doomed. Constantly fighting over the dumbest shit.
This show just afforded them a multi million dollar deal to shovel more ignorance masked under a pause joke.
Lyor Cohen taught them how to hustle well
Do you think I’ve forgotten about when they called us urban or when Marvin was singing about the Inner City Blues. Our oppressor has called us many things to launder his credit as a human being.
I'm not against the term Black for African Americans. I am against the REJECTION of any connection to those west African countries we clearly derived from.
But understand that Black is a skin color designation not a culture or language. The religion we practice is the religion of our captors and reflects them. God looks like them...that in itself is a powerful thing.
The United States of America as a country has existed for approximately 246 years...and for 196 of those years American society has consistently, methodically and purposefully told us that people who look like us haven't contributed to American history and certainly not human history. And when they werent outright saying it they just omitted things from the history books. This is a part of our American heritage.
The culture we as Black Americans are BUILDING is a hybrid of a bunch of different influences. But in the tent pole aspects of what makes a culture..language (english) religion (christian judeo) music (primarily afro/euro influenced) cuisine (various influence) we are carving out our own thing. And we do this because circumstances of how we arrived in the Americas FORCED us to....adapt or die.
Assigned title??? His choice?? This sounds like LGBT language or maybe they co-opted it from Black Americans (wouldn't be the first time)
If we were assigned anything its a skin color designation**.
In any case, you are who and what you are down to the bone...if its assigned its done so by NATURE in the same way you having a penis, testicles and the reproductive system that goes with that determine what your sex and gender is regardless of how you FEEL and the CHOICE you make to portray yourself in a way that makes you comfortable. And that comes from his and your ties are to certain countries in west Africa whether you acknowledge it...whether you even KNOW IT or not and the reason you're NOT willing to acknowledge it is bolded IN your statement.
If you believe that way of thinking then what's your argument against the trans community because you're both using the same language and thought process to justify your existence in a certain way.
Why is the bolded part the qualifier for ethnicity or heritage?? NO OTHER GROUP DOES THIS.
Youve got people who and live and die claiming italian or irish or korean ethnicty and/or heritage and they NEVER been to italy, ireland or korea. The ONLY reason Black Americans use this RIDICULOUS requirement is because most African Americans don't know the particulars of our african heritage beyond the most general knowledge of you came from this continent (hence the generalized term AFRICAN-american rather than say Nigerian-american or Ghanian-american and you can break it down even further from there) therefore we're stuck with the skin color designation of black...and we've been building a culture and heritage from that.
ADOS is the only immigrant group who came here NOT voluntarily. ADOS is the only immigrant group who had been declared not human but property when arriving here. ADOS is the only immigrant group thats been stripped of its identity and had it replaced with a skin color designation. Sure there are "white" people but they can readily and easily tell you who they are. "i'm half irish and polish. My mother is italian and my father is russian. ADOS cant do that.
And you could say that the Irish were the first niggas of the UK and the colonies in the new world but while they were regarded and treated horribly by the English they never lost who they were as a people and if nothing else, they fought tooth and nail to retain that. Something the Africans brought to the colonies in mainland America couldn't successfully do. Also anyone who downplayed or suppressed their ethnicity in an effort to assimilate in American society MADE A CHOICE. Thats not the same as someone literally beating you until you capitulated on expressing your true name, language and religion and accepted theirs..at gun point. That happened and that means something.
But if you take that assigned/choice line of thinking thru its logical process then Black Americans history and existence BEGINS in chains in America. A people with NO PAST beyond 1619. The specifics of our African heritage has been forever lost and altered to a group of people who have for the last 100 years at least been looking for an identity. Its where you get moors and 5 percenters and anything Egypt (even tho the enslaved Africans came from west African countries and Egypt is in east Africa.) and so on.
Negro is spanish for black...ngger, nigga, nigra etc is just a bastardized slang for negro=black it all comes back to the same thing. And the descendants of those enslaved african peoples are STILL called black today...we carry the legacy of the racism that built this country..as long as that skin color designation exists..then racism exists. Its the american way. Its how western culture functions.
Maybe that explains why pretty much every other group (to my knowledge) does not use the slur pertaining to them in their pop culture to the degree that black americans do. The n-word permeates every aspect of our culture and entertainment to the point where its weird if we DON'T hear it uttered at some point.
But unlike pretty much any other group in american society you have one group thats been completely cut off from its original heritage and ethnicity and MAYBE thats why the n-word flows so easily from the descendants of the african slaves because thats what we've been called more than anything else in this country... thats also a part of our AMERICAN heritage.
**side note:
The development of what would become "race" classifications came into being between the 1100s and 1500s Europe. For example, sub-Saharan Africans were generally called Ethiopians. That was the catch-all term for any dark skin African, western Europeans encountered at that time. You don't necessarily see the term "Black" used for Africans in the early middle ages but you see it in their artwork...BUT many of the images in their art that portrayed bad things like executioners and negative religious symbols were characterized with black colored skin and African features, so you start to see an early connection with Black = sin/evil/unredeemable. Its not necessarily SAID but its SHOWN.
Around the 1300s and 1400s you start to see the term "Black" in association with dark skin Africans. As the slave trade moved across the Atlantic to western Europe, the catholic church in Spain starts to use its influence to further marry the color Black + unredeemable sin + slavery = dark skin Africans are supposed to have this position in a social structure in life.
This is adopted in the Americas and by the late 1600s, 1700s the colonies/USA are looking for ways to perfect the slave system they have by developing chattel slavery making the condition heritable and permanent for offspring thru the mother. While all this is happening the term Black and Slave are used interchangeably and synonymously in their laws and customs. When you say slave you mean Black and when you say Black its understood its about a person of the lowest social order. This is why IN WESTERN CULTURE PARTICULARLY IN THE AMERICAS, SLAVERY AND RACE ARE CONNECTED.
All of this took centuries to work out but by the 1800s the culture had solidified and the perception of Africans/American Blacks had been set. So by the time slavery was "abolished" (except as a form of punishment for crime) the immediate response was to come up with work arounds for this group of people whom the Bible deemed unredeemable and therefore subjugation was supposed to be their normal and rightful state of living. Hence Black Codes and Vagrancy Laws and Jim Crow Laws and before you know it we're in the latter part of the 20th century around the1960s before the last vestiges of all that shit is officially removed tho the perceptions and treatment remains defacto.
All those CENTURIES in developing a specific perception and treatment of "Black" People and motherfuckers think all that's changed in the last 50 years....
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So Geechiedan u prefer to be called African American nothing wrong with that but u can't push that on to others it still was something given to us by white ppl
Feel like it's really no wrong answer here
I feel weird about it but that shit don't mean I'm totally against it
End of the day no matter how we got here, end of the day we black and American so I'm not mad at ppl who would like to describe themselves as Black Americans
Feel like it's really no wrong answer here
I feel weird about it but that shit don't mean I'm totally against it
End of the day no matter how we got here, end of the day we black and American so I'm not mad at ppl who would like to describe themselves as Black Americans
Word!
Both my parents are Jamaican. Hell my entire family is Jamaican. My sister and I were the first kids in whole lot who were born on US soil.
I'd consider myself Jamaican-American or Jamerican before African-American. But ever since I was a kid, if I say that around Black-Americans they can't help but express how 'sad' they are for me since I'm clearly a lost soul.
I've always wanted to scream at these people, "how about I call myself what I like and you feel free to get off my dick about it."
Yeah, I don't have a problem with African American, but I have always just went with black. Decided back in I guess the late 80's when Cos was pushing AA on his show. My reason being that some white people back then and I'm sure now....they would kinda pause and stammer when they had to describe a person.
"Oh, you need to see James, the copy machine guy, um, he's about 6' tall...red shirt....and um, he's....um...like you!"
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"Oh, you need to see James, the copy machine guy, um, he's about 6' tall...red shirt....and um, he's....um...like you!"
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Yall can do and feel however you want but that doesn't change the actual heritage you have. Also understand that it is similar to how trans and nonbinary folk justify who they are.
The reasoning is different..they do it based on how they feel and youre doing it based on lack of knowledge and connection to whre you come from but the end result is very similar.
So anyone here who rejects west Africa as an aspect of their heritage cant scoff at or take issue with trans/non binary people for saying this is who they are and dammit you better comply with that or be labeled a horrible person.
As far as I can see it you all may as well be saying my pronouns are they/them
it really comes off the same way.
I understand, and I would be lying if I said I wasn’t the ones saying “you’re a lost soul” at some point in my life.
Now, I have a much better understanding on how people identify themselves. I get it. All I would say is that America sees little difference between ethnicity and race. If they see dark skin, you’re black.
Yall can do and feel however you want but that doesn't change the actual heritage you have. Also understand that it is similar to how trans and nonbinary folk justify who they are.
The reasoning is different..they do it based on how they feel and youre doing it based on lack of knowledge and connection to whre you come from but the end result is very similar.
So anyone here who rejects west Africa as an aspect of their heritage cant scoff at or take issue with trans/non binary people for saying this is who they are and dammit you better comply with that or be labeled a horrible person.
As far as I can see it you all may as well be saying my pronouns are they/them
Amazing you draw such a horrible correlation.
Nobody is disregarding Africa as part of their heritage.
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understand the terms Black and African-American are NOT either/or.
I take issue with the REJECTION of west africa... to see someone with thick lips, broad nose, high cheekbones kinky hair and brown to dark brown complexion with west africa coming out of their pours say with all seriousness that that has NOTHING to do with them merely because they havent been there and know nothing about it and therefore that has NO CONNECTION to me AT ALL...is amazing to me
thats the mindfuck of RACE as a concept.
Oh now he Gay
ya'll gonna seriously look at that statement and say its NOT a cry of anguish of a sort??
hell look at the gif...if Bunk said West Africa aint got shit to do with me I don't IDENTIFY with it at ALL... ya'll gonna say...yeah that makes sense
understand the terms Black and African-American are NOT either/or.
I take issue with the REJECTION of west africa... to see someone with thick lips, broad nose, high cheekbones kinky hair and brown to dark brown complexion with west africa coming out of their pours say with all seriousness that that has NOTHING to do with them merely because they havent been there and know nothing about it and therefore that has NO CONNECTION to me AT ALL...is amazing to me
I don’t think you and I are on the same page at all we are definitely not talking about the same thing.
I understand the scientific dna connection to Africa, but that’s everyone in the world.
ya'll gonna seriously look at that statement and say its NOT a cry of anguish of a sort??
hell look at the gif...if Bunk said West Africa aint got shit to do with me I don't IDENTIFY with it at ALL... ya'll gonna say...yeah that makes sense
Yeah, we definitely ain’t talking about the same thing.
that might be debatableI'm not against the term Black for African Americans. I am against the REJECTION of any connection to those west African countries we clearly derived from.
But understand that Black is a skin color designation not a culture or language. The religion we practice is the religion of our captors and reflects them. God looks like them...that in itself is a powerful thing.
The United States of America as a country has existed for approximately 246 years...and for 196 of those years American society has consistently, methodically and purposefully told us that people who look like us haven't contributed to American history and certainly not human history. And when they werent outright saying it they just omitted things from the history books. This is a part of our American heritage.
The culture we as Black Americans are BUILDING is a hybrid of a bunch of different influences. But in the tent pole aspects of what makes a culture..language (english) religion (christian judeo) music (primarily afro/euro influenced) cuisine (various influence) we are carving out our own thing. And we do this because circumstances of how we arrived in the Americas FORCED us to....adapt or die.
Assigned title??? His choice?? This sounds like LGBT language or maybe they co-opted it from Black Americans (wouldn't be the first time)
If we were assigned anything its a skin color designation**.
In any case, you are who and what you are down to the bone...if its assigned its done so by NATURE in the same way you having a penis, testicles and the reproductive system that goes with that determine what your sex and gender is regardless of how you FEEL and the CHOICE you make to portray yourself in a way that makes you comfortable. And that comes from his and your ties are to certain countries in west Africa whether you acknowledge it...whether you even KNOW IT or not and the reason you're NOT willing to acknowledge it is bolded IN your statement.
If you believe that way of thinking then what's your argument against the trans community because you're both using the same language and thought process to justify your existence in a certain way.
Why is the bolded part the qualifier for ethnicity or heritage?? NO OTHER GROUP DOES THIS.
Youve got people who and live and die claiming italian or irish or korean ethnicty and/or heritage and they NEVER been to italy, ireland or korea. The ONLY reason Black Americans use this RIDICULOUS requirement is because most African Americans don't know the particulars of our african heritage beyond the most general knowledge of you came from this continent (hence the generalized term AFRICAN-american rather than say Nigerian-american or Ghanian-american and you can break it down even further from there) therefore we're stuck with the skin color designation of black...and we've been building a culture and heritage from that.
ADOS is the only immigrant group who came here NOT voluntarily. ADOS is the only immigrant group who had been declared not human but property when arriving here. ADOS is the only immigrant group thats been stripped of its identity and had it replaced with a skin color designation. Sure there are "white" people but they can readily and easily tell you who they are. "i'm half irish and polish. My mother is italian and my father is russian. ADOS cant do that.
And you could say that the Irish were the first niggas of the UK and the colonies in the new world but while they were regarded and treated horribly by the English they never lost who they were as a people and if nothing else, they fought tooth and nail to retain that. Something the Africans brought to the colonies in mainland America couldn't successfully do. Also anyone who downplayed or suppressed their ethnicity in an effort to assimilate in American society MADE A CHOICE. Thats not the same as someone literally beating you until you capitulated on expressing your true name, language and religion and accepted theirs..at gun point. That happened and that means something.
But if you take that assigned/choice line of thinking thru its logical process then Black Americans history and existence BEGINS in chains in America. A people with NO PAST beyond 1619. The specifics of our African heritage has been forever lost and altered to a group of people who have for the last 100 years at least been looking for an identity. Its where you get moors and 5 percenters and anything Egypt (even tho the enslaved Africans came from west African countries and Egypt is in east Africa.) and so on.
Negro is spanish for black...ngger, nigga, nigra etc is just a bastardized slang for negro=black it all comes back to the same thing. And the descendants of those enslaved african peoples are STILL called black today...we carry the legacy of the racism that built this country..as long as that skin color designation exists..then racism exists. Its the american way. Its how western culture functions.
Maybe that explains why pretty much every other group (to my knowledge) does not use the slur pertaining to them in their pop culture to the degree that black americans do. The n-word permeates every aspect of our culture and entertainment to the point where its weird if we DON'T hear it uttered at some point.
But unlike pretty much any other group in american society you have one group thats been completely cut off from its original heritage and ethnicity and MAYBE thats why the n-word flows so easily from the descendants of the african slaves because thats what we've been called more than anything else in this country... thats also a part of our AMERICAN heritage.
**side note:
The development of what would become "race" classifications came into being between the 1100s and 1500s Europe. For example, sub-Saharan Africans were generally called Ethiopians. That was the catch-all term for any dark skin African, western Europeans encountered at that time. You don't necessarily see the term "Black" used for Africans in the early middle ages but you see it in their artwork...BUT many of the images in their art that portrayed bad things like executioners and negative religious symbols were characterized with black colored skin and African features, so you start to see an early connection with Black = sin/evil/unredeemable. Its not necessarily SAID but its SHOWN.
Around the 1300s and 1400s you start to see the term "Black" in association with dark skin Africans. As the slave trade moved across the Atlantic to western Europe, the catholic church in Spain starts to use its influence to further marry the color Black + unredeemable sin + slavery = dark skin Africans are supposed to have this position in a social structure in life.
This is adopted in the Americas and by the late 1600s, 1700s the colonies/USA are looking for ways to perfect the slave system they have by developing chattel slavery making the condition heritable and permanent for offspring thru the mother. While all this is happening the term Black and Slave are used interchangeably and synonymously in their laws and customs. When you say slave you mean Black and when you say Black its understood its about a person of the lowest social order. This is why IN WESTERN CULTURE PARTICULARLY IN THE AMERICAS, SLAVERY AND RACE ARE CONNECTED.
All of this took centuries to work out but by the 1800s the culture had solidified and the perception of Africans/American Blacks had been set. So by the time slavery was "abolished" (except as a form of punishment for crime) the immediate response was to come up with work arounds for this group of people whom the Bible deemed unredeemable and therefore subjugation was supposed to be their normal and rightful state of living. Hence Black Codes and Vagrancy Laws and Jim Crow Laws and before you know it we're in the latter part of the 20th century around the1960s before the last vestiges of all that shit is officially removed tho the perceptions and treatment remains defacto.
All those CENTURIES in developing a specific perception and treatment of "Black" People and motherfuckers think all that's changed in the last 50 years....
The reason your saying what your saying is because you don't know you heritage. Elon musk was called an Africkaner because he's from south Africa...he said no..I'm English. He didn't reject his English heritage because he knows it. That's the difference.. there's a reason why NO ONE ELSE uses the scientific DNA generalization of their background.
En garde mofo
Excellent. I’m glad you got it figured out.
Yall can do and feel however you want but that doesn't change the actual heritage you have. Also understand that it is similar to how trans and nonbinary folk justify who they are.
The reasoning is different..they do it based on how they feel and youre doing it based on lack of knowledge and connection to whre you come from but the end result is very similar.
So anyone here who rejects west Africa as an aspect of their heritage cant scoff at or take issue with trans/non binary people for saying this is who they are and dammit you better comply with that or be labeled a horrible person.
As far as I can see it you all may as well be saying my pronouns are they/them
Gotta go with my guy 4 Dimensional on this one. Not openly claiming to be of West African decent isn't disregarding anything or anyone.
It's been 100s maybe 1000s of years since people in my bloodline have been anywhere on African soil. We was all in Jamaica just last June.
It just seem more natural to identify with the part of one's culture that they encounter and navigate on a daily basis
And not for nothing but have you ever be called an African-American in front of an actual African. I know everyone is different so I'm not making any blanket statements. But back in high school we had an kid from Ghana come in halfway thru my 11th grade year and he did NOT fuck with that term African-American.
Not for himself and not evening for Black Americans in the school. I never got to really sit down and talk to him about it, but I remember how he'd be ready to throw hands over that African-American term.
Black is negroe in English. Negroe is Portuguese. The Jews were negroe in the book. Jesus was a Jew in the book.En garde mofo
And as far as skin color. Adam Clayton Powell was considered black. The nicca looks white.
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