CAMRON says he prefers to use the term Black American over African American because "Africans don't even f**k with us."

4 Dimensional

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Gotta go with my guy 4 Dimensional on this one. Not openly claiming to be of West African decent isn't disregarding anything or anyone.

It's been 100s maybe 1000s of years since people in my bloodline have been anywhere on African soil. We was all in Jamaica just last June.

It just seem more natural to identify with the part of one's culture that they encounter and navigate on a daily basis :dunno:

And not for nothing but have you ever be called an African-American in front of an actual African. I know everyone is different so I'm not making any blanket statements. But back in high school we had an kid from Ghana come in halfway thru my 11th grade year and he did NOT fuck with that term African-American.

Not for himself and not evening for Black Americans in the school. I never got to really sit down and talk to him about it, but I remember how he'd be ready to throw hands over that African-American term.

And that was my point.

Everything that exist about many Black Americans is stimulated from the social engineering caused by slavery. At some point, our connection to Africa was replaced with the environment in which we existed in.

Over time, black Americans adapted and developed their own culture which is mostly separated from countries in Africa.

There are synergic connections, but the cultural separations is very significant.

So when I’m in a room with a student whose parents is from Sierra Leone, but she was born here, then she is much more of an African-American than me. It’s those instances where I’m more of a Black America. We rarely hear things like Nigerian-American, Ghana-American, Senegalese American, and so forth, which make more sense because they identify with the country they came from.
 

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Gotta go with my guy 4 Dimensional on this one. Not openly claiming to be of West African decent isn't disregarding anything or anyone.

It's been 100s maybe 1000s of years since people in my bloodline have been anywhere on African soil. We was all in Jamaica just last June.

It just seem more natural to identify with the part of one's culture that they encounter and navigate on a daily basis :dunno:

And not for nothing but have you ever be called an African-American in front of an actual African. I know everyone is different so I'm not making any blanket statements. But back in high school we had an kid from Ghana come in halfway thru my 11th grade year and he did NOT fuck with that term African-American.

Not for himself and not evening for Black Americans in the school. I never got to really sit down and talk to him about it, but I remember how he'd be ready to throw hands over that African-American term.
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TENT

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Man we still calling each other n....s and negroes, let alone African American vs Black. We are doomed. Constantly fighting over the dumbest shit.

This show just afforded them a multi million dollar deal to shovel more ignorance masked under a pause joke.

Lyor Cohen taught them how to hustle well :smh:
Maybe YOU and YOURS are doomed. I know who I am and I am chilling.
 

Amajorfucup

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Assigned title??? His choice?? This sounds like LGBT language
if its assigned its done so by NATURE in the same way you having a penis, testicles and the reproductive system that goes with that determine what your sex and gender is regardless of how you FEEL and the CHOICE you make to portray yourself in a way that makes you comfortable.
If you believe that way of thinking then what's your argument against the trans community because you're both using the same language
This is weird behavior to inject faggotry and piggybackers suffering from mental illness into this discussion. And doing so in efforts to discredit ones ethnic, cultural, and national identity is insulting if not flat out imbecilic. Which is more confusing is that this nonsensical bullshit is coming from a guy who calls himself "geechie". Why not africandan? Or subsaharandan? Or danofghanaiandescent? Or naijada? Geechie is an ethnic and cultural identifier which denotes Black American with roots in the US south.. particularly the SC region. Why are you using it sir? Criticizing ones choice of self identification based in cultural experiences, while doing the exact same thing is wholly hypocritical and idiotic.

Drawing legitimate cultural distinctions and allowing African born citizens to hold claim to African-American shouldnt be grounds for you to attack Black Americans.
 

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This is weird behavior to inject faggotry and piggybackers suffering from mental illness into this discussion. And doing so in efforts to discredit ones ethnic, cultural, and national identity is insulting if not flat out imbecilic. Which is more confusing is that this nonsensical bullshit is coming from a guy who calls himself "geechie". Why not africandan? Or subsaharandan? Or danofghanaiandescent? Or naijada? Geechie is an ethnic and cultural identifier which denotes Black American with roots in the US south.. particularly the SC region. Why are you using it sir? Criticizing ones choice of self identification based in cultural experiences, while doing the exact same thing is wholly hypocritical and idiotic.

Drawing legitimate cultural distinctions and allowing African born citizens to hold claim to African-American shouldnt be grounds for you to attack Black Americans.
Simply the best poster on this forum.
 

stizz3000

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Cam is right.....as a whole, they dont really fuck wit us like that, they talk mad shit and they assume the worst. On the real...fck all of em. Unless I know you to be cool. I treat em like CACs
 

PDQ21

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Yall can do and feel however you want but that doesn't change the actual heritage you have. Also understand that it is similar to how trans and nonbinary folk justify who they are.

The reasoning is different..they do it based on how they feel and youre doing it based on lack of knowledge and connection to whre you come from but the end result is very similar.

So anyone here who rejects west Africa as an aspect of their heritage cant scoff at or take issue with trans/non binary people for saying this is who they are and dammit you better comply with that or be labeled a horrible person.

As far as I can see it you all may as well be saying my pronouns are they/them :dunno::dunno: it really comes off the same way.
Why do u feel we rejected our African heritage because we feel the label of African American feels alil awkward? It's still another title that white ppl have given us it coulda been whatever and black ppl don't gonna feel good about it
 

footloose

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Yall can do and feel however you want but that doesn't change the actual heritage you have. Also understand that it is similar to how trans and nonbinary folk justify who they are.

The reasoning is different..they do it based on how they feel and youre doing it based on lack of knowledge and connection to whre you come from but the end result is very similar.

So anyone here who rejects west Africa as an aspect of their heritage cant scoff at or take issue with trans/non binary people for saying this is who they are and dammit you better comply with that or be labeled a horrible person.

As far as I can see it you all may as well be saying my pronouns are they/them :dunno::dunno: it really comes off the same way.
The closet thing to an African in the west are Haitians. And Africans don’t even accept them. Even Jamaicans are mixed with Irish and Chinese. A lot of Jamaicans got Chinese in them. The dark skin ones. Look at there damn president.
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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The closet thing to an African in the west are Haitians. And Africans don’t even accept them. Even Jamaicans are mixed with Irish and Chinese. A lot of Jamaicans got Chinese in them. The dark skin ones. Look at there damn president.
No black person messes with other black people. The inherent distrust was instilled. It’s in our DNA. You wouldn’t believe the stuff I heard about Jamaicans as a child. The only island that was spared was Barbados. Barbados could do no wrong. It wasn’t bad that they were only black people there too.
 

geechiedan

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This is weird behavior to inject faggotry and piggybackers suffering from mental illness into this discussion. And doing so in efforts to discredit ones ethnic, cultural, and national identity is insulting if not flat out imbecilic. Which is more confusing is that this nonsensical bullshit is coming from a guy who calls himself "geechie". Why not africandan? Or subsaharandan? Or danofghanaiandescent? Or naijada? Geechie is an ethnic and cultural identifier which denotes Black American with roots in the US south.. particularly the SC region. Why are you using it sir? Criticizing ones choice of self identification based in cultural experiences, while doing the exact same thing is wholly hypocritical and idiotic.

Drawing legitimate cultural distinctions and allowing African born citizens to hold claim to African-American shouldnt be grounds for you to attack Black Americans.
Feel better now? :lol: :lol:
 

footloose

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No black person messes with other black people. The inherent distrust was instilled. It’s in our DNA. You wouldn’t believe the stuff I heard about Jamaicans as a child. The only island that was spared was Barbados. Barbados could do no wrong. It wasn’t bad that they were only black people there too.
Exactly. So why would we want to adopt that tribalism over here. Tribalism is primitive. We build nations over here. Dr king was an advocate of nationalism not tribalism. Even Elijah Muhammad built the noi. Nation of islam. Africa has over 50 flags and then tribes inside those flags.
 

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In Kemetic History of Afrika, Dr cheikh Anah Diop writes, “The ancient name of Africa was Alkebulan. Alkebu-lan “mother of mankind” or “garden of Eden”.” Alkebulan is the oldest and the only word of indigenous origin. It was used by the Moors, Nubians, Numidians, Khart-Haddans (Carthagenians), and Ethiopians. Africa, the current misnomer adopted by almost everyone today, was given to this continent by the ancient Greeks and Romans.”
 

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Aren't you cac

I may be white, but this is public relations 101.

When you give an interview don't insult your fans.

You can insult their behavior, decisions, or beliefs, but don't target something they have no control or say over.

A portion of Cams fans are direct descendants of African immigrants. Why make them feel a certain way about attending his shows? Why make them play "Hey Ma" with the windows rolled up? Why force them to separate the artist from the art?

He's entitled to his opinion and his pronouns, but this was a bad look.
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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I may be white, but this is public relations 101.

When you give an interview don't insult your fans.

You can insult their behavior, decisions, or beliefs, but don't target something they have no control or say over.

A portion of Cams fans are direct descendants of African immigrants. Why make them feel a certain way about attending his shows? Why make them play "Hey Ma" with the windows rolled up? Why force them to separate the artist from the art?

He's entitled to his opinion and his pronouns, but this was a bad look.
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geechiedan

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So you are African?
Have you been to Africa?
Please go to any country there.
You will see that you have nothing to do with it.
Your skin color does not give you ownership of any African culture there.
You are a visitor just like the white man.
Embrace your culture.
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? SERIOUSLY???

stop saying that dumbshit. Going to the place of your heritage is NOT a prerequisite in acknowledging it as part of your life and identity.

Now clearly we are ALL americans....but just as clearly none of us just popped the fuck up here. (unless you go by the indigenous black story:rolleyes2:)

most of us are just 4 or 5 generations removed from the enslaved africans who walked off the gangplank in this horrorshow of a country. Thats really not that long ago and certainly not thousands of years as one person put it.

this whole "have you been there" question is something you would NEVER fucking ask anyone OTHER than a black person. You got people who claim italian...aint step foot out of their fucking neighborhood let alone been anywhere near italy and you wouldnt question the validity of their claimed heritage one iota.

You got cacs walking around claiming a specific ethnic group and then do a 23 and Me and find out the one thing they claim aint even on the list. Turns out the motherfucker is everything BUT that thing. But you take their claim at face value anyway. :hmm::hmm::rolleyes2:

The ONLY reason black people reject their own heritage and question other blacks claim is because WE DONT KNOW the specifics of heritage..but we know WHY we dont know it and that reason should go on the list of reasons why Black Americans should get reparations. Every other ethnic group in this country can claim specific countries and ethnic groups within those countries.... YOU can't do that because all we have as BLACK americans is a skin color designation. And that is a direct result of the Atlantic slave trade. LOSS OF IDENTITY.

The stripping of identity isn't a normal function of slavery as an institution. Mainly because slaves are usually taken and trafficked in the region they live. Today,, slaves in parts of africa that still allow it know who they are and where they come from. A unique aspect of the atlantic slave trade was that the victims of it were stripped of their identities in the new world. Thats something that happened once they arrived in the Caribbean and colonies.

As fucked over as native groups were in their lands (Native Americans, Aborigines (Australia), Ainu (Japan) central and south American peoples, Filipinos (south east Asians) etc) they still had some connection to their original identities, culture, language, religion even if they had to mask it in cac shit. In fact its been noted that the slave rebellions in the Caribbean were successful because those enslaved people had a stronger connection to their African identity more so than the mainland American slaves. Even as they used European religion and culture as a cover (Santeria for example).

Being stripped of the knowledge of who you are and where you come from is more psychologically damaging that losing your freedom. (see the reasonings black folks been giving in this thread)

So the notion that African American is illegit because YOU HAVENT BEEN THERE is just plain stupid.
 
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He's telling the truth, but opposers would rather argue feelings over conceptulizing a thought...
The labeled "King of Soul" sang "I'm Black & I'm Proud" and you shouted along...
We celebrate "Black" History month, not African-American History Month...
But the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE still ain't changed their name...
#MakeItMakeSense
:wakeup:
 

footloose

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He's telling the truth, but opposers would rather argue feelings over conceptulizing a thought...
The labeled "King of Soul" sang "I'm Black & I'm Proud" and you shouted along...
We celebrate "Black" History month, not African-American History Month...
But the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE still ain't changed their name...
#MakeItMakeSense
:wakeup:
And the king of soul was Gullah Geechee
 

TENT

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WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? SERIOUSLY???

stop saying that dumbshit. Going to the place of your heritage is NOT a prerequisite in acknowledging it as part of your life and identity.

Now clearly we are ALL americans....but just as clearly none of us just popped the fuck up here. (unless you go by the indigenous black story:rolleyes2:)

most of us are just 4 or 5 generations removed from the enslaved africans who walked off the gangplank in this horrorshow of a country. Thats really not that long ago and certainly not thousands of years as one person put it.

this whole "have you been there" question is something you would NEVER fucking ask anyone OTHER than a black person. You got people who claim italian...aint step foot out of their fucking neighborhood let alone been anywhere near italy and you wouldnt question the validity of their claimed heritage one iota.

You got cacs walking around claiming a specific ethnic group and then do a 23 and Me and find out the one thing they claim aint even on the list. Turns out the motherfucker is everything BUT that thing. But you take their claim at face value anyway. :hmm::hmm::rolleyes2:

The ONLY reason black people reject their own heritage and question other blacks claim is because WE DONT KNOW the specifics of heritage..but we know WHY we dont know it and that reason should go on the list of reasons why Black Americans should get reparations. Every other ethnic group in this country can claim specific countries and ethnic groups within those countries.... YOU can't do that because all we have as BLACK americans is a skin color designation. And that is a direct result of the Atlantic slave trade. LOSS OF IDENTITY.

The stripping of identity isn't a normal function of slavery as an institution. Mainly because slaves are usually taken and trafficked in the region they live. Today,, slaves in parts of africa that still allow it know who they are and where they come from. A unique aspect of the atlantic slave trade was that the victims of it were stripped of their identities in the new world. Thats something that happened once they arrived in the Caribbean and colonies.

As fucked over as native groups were in their lands (Native Americans, Aborigines (Australia), Ainu (Japan) central and south American peoples, Filipinos (south east Asians) etc) they still had some connection to their original identities, culture, language, religion even if they had to mask it in cac shit. In fact its been noted that the slave rebellions in the Caribbean were successful because those enslaved people had a stronger connection to their identity more so than the mainland American slaves. Even as they used European religion and culture as a cover (Santeria for example).

Being stripped of the knowledge of who you are and where you come from is more psychologically damaging that losing your freedom. (see the reasonings black folks been giving in this thread)

So the notion that African American is illegit because YOU HAVENT BEEN THERE is just plain stupid.
You are not African. You a Black American.
 
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