Even Tyson and Ali lost
Deontay Wilder/Tyson Fury Official
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Maybe he just can't fucking box. If it were that easy, everyone who steps inside a boxing gym would be a great boxer. But that's not the case. Wilder relies on his punching power. Let's say he didn't have that power. Perhaps he never even makes it past journeyman. Unless you believe those cats just want to suck at boxing.
Yes, you can learn no matter the age. But on a world class level, the shit is just different. There are people in the NBA who will never, ever, ever, ever be able to shoot threes good. Bring in all the coaches you want. Use AI algorithms. Pray to all the gods. Won't make a fucking difference. They still NBA-level talent, but just won't ever be great shooters.
And Fury is a fucking beast on top of that. He can box, and that shit travels. Meaning he can use that shit on the defensive or take it with him and be the aggressor.
Too many years in the ring
Even Tyson and Ali lost
Not like this, Wilder got destroyed for like 5-6 straight rounds, he got beat so bad that his corner threw in the towel “QUIT” and people are saying that was the right move. When you get beat to that point I don’t see how you come back and I definitely know nobody is gonna pay $80 to see a rematch
I think that did happen. Fury said Wilder had a much better jab and saw improvements. Wilder assumed Fury wasn’t going to make any adjustments and didn’t believe his game plan to come forward and try to hurt him. However, Fury fought a different fight and Wilder had no answer for that.
41/43 boxers couldn’t hang with Deontay before last night so the hype was justified. However, Wilder losing is not on the same level as Rousey’s loss to Holmes. Brothas on here were divided if Wilder lost the first fight, so in hindsight last night wasn’t surprising....
In regards to a Wilder Fury 3 it depends on what Wilder does next. If word comes out that he’s being trained by a legendary trainer folks will get interested again.
Looks like Fury is going to need a new coach because Sugar Hill says he will retire, that’s also interesting....
He definitely didn’t have an answer and was backing up the entire fight.
Come on now you not a real boxing fan thinking this. Shit Lennox got knocked out, Vladimir got dragged a few times looking crazy, Frazier got destroyed by Foreman, Foreman got clowned by Ali. It happens to the best of them. Styles make fights. Anything can happen in the next fight if you make adjustments.
Wilder barely got a draw the first fight and had to throw in the towel in the second fight. If I was advising him, I'd move on. Maybe come back later for a third, if fundamentals are developed.
You know how much shit I wish I could learn RIGHT NOW? Lmao there's a thing called reality that can.smack you in the face, especially in competitive sports. Most of us can fudge shit that we didn't learn in our jobs and fall back on the stuff we do know. Not in a sport like that. Shit you don't know, the other guy will punish you for. Some forms of muscle memory take YEARS to truly settle in. Some footwork, punch sequences, etc. They take real breakthroughs, and in some cases , they have to be literally MOLDED into your body as it grows. He would have to break habits and replace them with new ones. That's physically and mentally taxing.Maybe he just can't fucking box. If it were that easy, everyone who steps inside a boxing gym would be a great boxer. But that's not the case. Wilder relies on his punching power. Let's say he didn't have that power. Perhaps he never even makes it past journeyman. Unless you believe those cats just want to suck at boxing.
Yes, you can learn no matter the age. But on a world class level, the shit is just different. There are people in the NBA who will never, ever, ever, ever be able to shoot threes good. Bring in all the coaches you want. Use AI algorithms. Pray to all the gods. Won't make a fucking difference. They still NBA-level talent, but just won't ever be great shooters.
And Fury is a fucking beast on top of that. He can box, and that shit travels. Meaning he can use that shit on the defensive or take it with him and be the aggressor.
34 isn't too old to learn how to do anything, but you won't catch up to someone who's been doing it since 12.
His path back will be, to beat the fuck out of Andy Ruiz within first five rounds. Then immediately challenge the Loser of the Fury vs Joshua fight. Once he wins these two fights then the Public will demand a rematch against Fury or a title shot vs Joshua it will be written as a great boxing redemption story. He will have a second resurgence that could last another 7 fights and over 300 million in fight purse. They tried this with Mike Tyson but he wasn’t mentally strong enough to get back after Cus died.
For my fellow tin foil hat wearers
After reading Bob Arum tweets I am convinced this was the game plan to fuck the fans out of the money so everyone can continue to eat off of us for years. If Wilder wins this fight it’s years of Joshua ducking and dodging. The Heavyweight division goes back to being the shittiest division in boxing. However now we will have a slate of mega fight through 2022.
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Black.celebs are GOING IN on ol boy. I didn't expect that.
lol
‘Do you see the names you are using Foreman vs Frazier, Foreman vs Ali, I know the best have gotten beaten/knocked out but they have been hyping this fight up so much and then the fighter goes out and gets beat like a drum for 5-6 rounds until finally his corner says WE QUIT, tell me when that has happened to a fighter with this type of hype. You can’t say he took Fury lightly and didn’t train, can’t say it was a lose fight, a fighter that they were saying could beat Mike Tyson went in and got beat so bad that they had to stop the fight
Yeah. Somehow they should've exposed him to this stuff earlier so he wouldve been able to realize how serious it was. But then again, the economics of the situation would've been different. Overall, Better to get that money and get out.
He got beat by the better guy. He didn’t quit. He still had heart, a big right hand and kept getting up. That’s the heart of a champion just like the greats. He just needs a better strategy and he still may not win. Losing may be the best thing for him. He assumed he didn’t need anything but a right hand. Now he sees he can be beat just doing that. We’ll see what happens next.
The bottom line is someone would have taught him already. It's as simple as that. This ain't a fucking Rocky movie where limitations are overcome and a cat becomes world class at something just by changing trainers/training methods.
Folks always assume that trainers haven't tried something. His trainers probably been like
"If only he could actually learn boxing" for years.
Yup. There's a recency bias going on right now. Wilder lost. He got.beat the fuck up.It was always a possibility. We knew he had holes. Everyone knew they were there but no one could exploit them. Fury coudlnt even donut well enough before. This time he did. It happens. No one is above an ass kicking , unless they just stay out the ring.
Lol right. Someone in this thread actually mentioned the Rocky movie.The bottom line is someone would have taught him already. It's as simple as that. This ain't a fucking Rocky movie where limitations are overcome and a cat becomes world class at something just by changing trainers/training methods.
Folks always assume that trainers haven't tried something. His trainers probably been like
"Just tie his right hand to his body and make him learn to use the left."
My dude that takes YEARS to do proficiently. And try telling a guy that while he's knocking fools the fuck out, and earning millions.
No one will pay attention to this truth lol.
The bottom vid will be four years old this year. I understand what he’s been doing made him millions and made him the heavyweight champ. But more should’ve been done to make him a more well rounded and fundamentally sound fighter.
End if the day, if a guy like Wilder could just start As late as he did and become better than world class fighters, comijg through amateur ranks and trainers with CENTURIIES of developments , boxing would be a sham. It's almost as bad as if Conor Mcgregor had beaten Floyd.
Its like, fuck all that technique. All ya need is a punch.
Its like, fuck all that technique. All ya need is a punch.
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I was about to say this makes it even worse, no busted eardrum, no equilibrium messed up, just got destroye..smh
It WAS. He just couldn't close ALL those gaps in this amount of time. We can't kid ourselves thinking we know something all his trainers didn't know. We SAW when they brought Breland in. You SEE teddy saying it. Everyone knew. There's a difference in knowing and doing, and even bigger difference in accomplishing.
Well damn. I had to scroll through at least 10 pages of BGOL saying his equilibrium was shot and ear drum popped. This was just a damn beating. Fury's trainers just released this unhinged maniac on Wilder. That's all this was.
Very true, but DAMN!
He literally looks like he hasn’t learned a thing in years. I mean when the first first started his defense was already bad.