Carl Lumbly aka M.A.N.T.I.S.
I'm going to have to watch it again tomorrow. Good episode though. Damn good episode. Finally a show that gives the masses a no bulshit example of how cops instigate shit
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I'm going to have to watch it again tomorrow. Good episode though. Damn good episode. Finally a show that gives the masses a no bulshit example of how cops instigate shit
I thought the same goddamn thing. I was in the Navy so I didn't know that that was Sergeant Major until I looked it up (I knew it was E-9), but Cle Bennett is 39, and that is not too young to be Sgt Major
Especially if he's infantry
I didn't realize he's 39. I thought he was in his 20s. Lol.
Now they got me thinking with the Super Solider serum plot is laying the groundwork for the Introduction for the Weapon Plus Program into the MCU...
Weapon 1 : Project Rebirth... Captain America, Isaiah Bradley, Winter Solider
Gramma Radiation Version: Hulk, Abomination, She-Hulk
Weapon IV: Man-Thing
Weapon VI: Luke Cage, Warhawk, Bushmaster
Weapon X: Wolverine, Deadpool, Sabertooth, X-23
Russian Super Solider Programs: Black Widow, Omega Red,...
Weapon 1 : Project Rebirth... Captain America, Isaiah Bradley, Winter Solider
Gramma Radiation Version: Hulk, Abomination, She-Hulk
Weapon IV: Man-Thing
Weapon VI: Luke Cage, Warhawk, Bushmaster
Weapon X: Wolverine, Deadpool, Sabertooth, X-23
Russian Super Solider Programs: Black Widow, Omega Red,...
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This was an excellent episode!! Bucky's development, and Black Cap.
Who was the white dude in the cell at the end?
Zemo. Who got locked up at the end of Civil War
Steve was fighting in a war, slightly different.And how we just gonna gloss over Captain MAGA pulling the burner and dropping one of the super soldiers...
Steve would NEVER
**edit**
On second thought I think Steve DID pull a gun in The First Avenger...
Getting a lot of Lethal Weapon vibes from this show.
I saw the pilot last week and was gonna let a couple of episodes stack up.
A couple of folks at work talked about it yesterday, so I couldn't hold back.
Watched it earlier today. This 2nd episode was a Pure Classic for sure. This episode was on a movie level. I though after the watching the first episode, they couldn't outdo it and they dropped this and blew the first one away.
They introduced so many plots and characters for future shows in this one episode. The shit was a fuckin' mind fuck.
I plan on re-watching it again for it too sink in. I know its full of a shit load of Easter Eggs that cats are going thru right now frame by frame that we all missed.
I hope this series gets some Emmy and Golden Globe nominations next year.
A couple of folks at work talked about it yesterday, so I couldn't hold back.
Watched it earlier today. This 2nd episode was a Pure Classic for sure. This episode was on a movie level. I though after the watching the first episode, they couldn't outdo it and they dropped this and blew the first one away.
They introduced so many plots and characters for future shows in this one episode. The shit was a fuckin' mind fuck.
I plan on re-watching it again for it too sink in. I know its full of a shit load of Easter Eggs that cats are going thru right now frame by frame that we all missed.
I hope this series gets some Emmy and Golden Globe nominations next year.
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and avengers on the Heli carrier, but that was more suppression fire.And how we just gonna gloss over Captain MAGA pulling the burner and dropping one of the super soldiers...
Steve would NEVER
**edit**
On second thought I think Steve DID pull a gun in The First Avenger...
I was planning to rewatch it at work today but got caught up.
On the stack episodes thing, that was easy to do for wandavision cause the 1st 3 episodes were slow, but this shit here
and the Martian Manhunter's dad
I am so happy after MANTIS got such a brief shot
for him to THRIVE in this genre NOW is freaking outstanding.
Just finished...
outstanding
Marvel just got ultra black
Who are you now White Panther? White Wolf.
Black Falcon
Isiah / Tuskegee / vaccination / Black folk mistrust of medicine
Is he BOTHERING you sir?
I didn't recognize you without the googles
If he was wrong about YOU he was wrong about ME
and ALL the call backs Easter eggs and name drops
I actually got a lot of the source material dropped in the group chat cause I predicted where this was gonna go
outstanding
Marvel just got ultra black
Who are you now White Panther? White Wolf.
Black Falcon
Isiah / Tuskegee / vaccination / Black folk mistrust of medicine
Is he BOTHERING you sir?
I didn't recognize you without the googles
If he was wrong about YOU he was wrong about ME
and ALL the call backs Easter eggs and name drops
I actually got a lot of the source material dropped in the group chat cause I predicted where this was gonna go
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Black widiw us a superr soldier?
In the comics the Black Widow OPS and the Winter Solider: Project were part of the Department X, Soviet's Super Solider Program...
MCU changed Bucky origins to Hydra making him a Super Solider...
The MCU never touched on the Super Solider aspect of Black Widow... Maybe the Black Widow will...
Natasha was biochemically enhanced through the Black Widow Ops Program when she was an infant. She received the Red Room's version of the Super-Soldier Serum[121] that was created by Dr. Lyudmila Kudrin to enhance her immune system, bodily condition, and longevity.
Department X (Earth-616)
9 appearance(s) of Department X (Earth-616) 7 minor appearance(s) of Department X (Earth-616) 10 mention(s) of Department X (Earth-616) 1 mention(s) in handbook(s) of Department X (Earth-616) 1 image(s) of Department X (Earth-616) 3 member(s) of Department X (Earth-616)
Natalia Romanova (Earth-616)
Natalia Alianovna "Natasha" Romanova (Russian: Наталья Альяновна "Наташа" Романова) a.k.a. the Black Widow (Russian: Чёрная вдова) was a former Russian KGB agent.[29] She was trained by the "Red Room" as part of the Black Widow Ops Program to be the ultimate "Super-Spy".[30] She defected to the...
List of World Government's Super Soldier Programs
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Top 10 Things You Missed in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 2
This action-packed episode was loaded with awesome moments! For this list, we’ll be looking at the Easter Eggs, comic book references, and MCU callbacks you might’ve missed in this episode of the Disney+ series. Our countdown includes Captain America Carries a Gun Again, A Young Avenger, The History Behind the White Wolf Moniker, and more!
This action-packed episode was loaded with awesome moments! For this list, we’ll be looking at the Easter Eggs, comic book references, and MCU callbacks you might’ve missed in this episode of the Disney+ series. Our countdown includes Captain America Carries a Gun Again, A Young Avenger, The History Behind the White Wolf Moniker, and more!
I forgot to add this
Respect to hair make up costumes etc
How in the hell were they able to make Carl look PHYSICALLY imposing like that?
Go see a pic of him on Supergirl just last year
Two completely different people
Master thespian
On Supergirl, you wouldn't expect him to hold up in any kind of fight. On this show, he looks like he could STILL go toe to toe with Bucky.
the main villain in civil war and more likely the main villaon this show
In the comics Black Widow took a Russian version of the Super Soldier serum. It wasn't as strong as US version but it made her stronger and she's about 80 years old.
and while I salute the effects crew?
that
is
ACTING
His VOICE , his body language, his delivery
was JUST as important to selling that moment.
I got a few older great Black actors I would have hired for that (John Amos being one)
but Carl KILLED that...
so salute to the casting agent too.
He needs to be a regular and they need to do a mini arc or 2 shot origin story on him
That said, does anyone know where I can find the show Mantis? I didn't get the chance to see it when it was new and I don't think that there is a site that shows failed TV shows , even the ones that were good... but somehow they pay a billion for reruns of friends 20 years after the series ended
Solid series.
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Mantis is on iTunes and I think it’s on Amazon.
Why the Falcon Can Save the World but Can’t Get a Bank Loan
BY JASON JOHNSON
MARCH 26, 20213:43 PM
The Falcon applies for a bank loan. Photo illustration by Slate. Photo by Disney+.
It was just three years ago when Marvel’s Black Panther took Hollywood, and the world, by storm. It broke box office records and finally convinced white audiences and gatekeepers in Hollywood that Black superheroes could be as popular and profitable as Superman and Batman. With the rerelease of Zack Snyder’s Justice League on HBO Max and the launch of the highly anticipated Disney+ series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Black superheroes are once again at the forefront of pop culture.
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On Friday’s episode of A Word, I spoke with John Jennings about the phenomenon. He’s a professor of media and cultural studies at the University of California, Riverside, as well as an award-winning comic book artist. Jennings is also the curator of the Abrams Megascope line of graphic novels. Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Jason Johnson: Look, you and I are both comic book fans. But, for folks who are casual fans at best, why does it matter if Black characters are actually front and center in the comic book genre, now that it’s so pervasive in American culture?
John Jennings: I personally think that everyone who is in a society or participating in a society deserves to see themselves reflected back at them. Since the inception of our country, white people have actually taken that for granted to a great deal, and honestly, anyone who is in power takes that for granted. And so there’s also this demonization of Black folk or denigration of Black people that is actually a part of our country as well. And so it begs the question: “Well, how would the Black character actually be trusted enough to save you?”—that kind of thing. So these are some really interesting questions when we talk about heroism and whose culture is actually being counted and whose history is being counted.
The other thing, too, is comics are basically these morality tales; they’re extremely mired in ideas around good and evil. And so to some people, that actually might be oxymoronic to talk about a Black superhero, right? Like, “How can a Black person be a hero?” So these are some of the ideas that pop up, and traditionally in popular culture these particular stereotypes have haunted the Black image in popular media. So to see something like Black Panther or Falcon or Cyborg or Black Lightning, or what have you, these particular characters start to become extremely powerful and empowering to Black people in particular.
In the last week or so, two big features premiered. In a lot of ways, they were centered on Black heroes. So we’re going to start with talking about The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. We’ve got Anthony Mackie staring as the Falcon. This is a superhero whose main power seems to be that he has sort of a flying suit; he’s sort of a techno genius. But in a clip, from the premiere episode, we see Falcon trying to get a bank loan. How does that scene play into that role of Black people being much more grounded as heroes?
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I find that a lot of people don’t realize, or haven’t really thought about, the fact that there are tropes and ideas that are connected to superheroes as a genre. There’s this cool book called Superhero: The Secret Origin of a Genre by Peter Coogan that lays out three categories that illustrate what a superhero is. One of them is the powers, of course, the identity. And then, there’s this thing called “a mission.” And a lot of times that mission is supposed to be altruistic, right? So, superheroes are not supposed to be paid for what they’re doing. Now, you look at someone like Falcon. Falcon was in the military. Some people were like, “Well, why didn’t you go to Navy Federal?”—because he’s actually a veteran.
And the other thing is it does actually speak to the amount of sacrifice that Black people in this country have gone through to help build the nation but also how the nation hasn’t loved them back. So, we talked about not having direct access to the GI Bill. We’re talking about an erasure of the history of Black soldiers and people in the military. We’re talking about just how people have been treated, how Black people have been treated after they come back from wars.
Also, in that scene, the white bank owner thinks he’s an athlete at first too. It’s definitely talking about from really, really particular microaggressions or even macroaggressions to a direct indictment of institutionalized racism in our country. Even for someone as amazing as the Falcon is.
Is keeping all of these Black superheroes grounded in real-world issues—instead of always fighting aliens or jumping through universes like white folks—is that a lack of imagination with Black characters? Or is it because we as consumers find them more authentic and engaging when they’re facing the real-world issues that we face.
On some level, you want to have a character that will allow you to escape the everyday. But I would definitely argue that comics, particularly superhero comics have always dealt with the on-the-ground, everyday kind of issues, social issues, even Superman started out as more of a socially centered character. And of course, you look at some of the characters in the ’70s, like Green Lantern and Green Arrow. Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams created a series of comics where these two white characters are actively dealing with racism and land rights and all these different issues. So I would say that it depends on the reader in some fashion. I think we should have a smattering of both. I feel like as a Black artist, as a scholar, as someone who wants to see these things unpacked and dealt with, I think it’s very difficult for me to get down with a character that’s fighting against Galactus or, like, Thanos or what have you, if you’re still dealing with these racialized issues on the planet. Something’s going to really feel corny and not relevant if it doesn’t deal a little bit with what’s going on in a society, because entertainment has always done that, and the comics definitely have always done that.
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I want to turn to Justice League. Justice League has this thing called the Snyder Cut. The original Justice League film came out in 2017. It was not very popular. It made money globally, but it was riddled with critical attacks. And it’s just been rereleased in an extended version. And in this new version, a character named Cyborg played by Ray Fisher had a heck of a lot more screen time than he did in 2017. So then we find out about a year ago that the actor Ray Fisher, who plays Cyborg in the original Justice League film, said that it was an incredibly hostile environment, that director Joss Whedon had been racially discriminatory and had retaliated against him by cutting the screen time and the role of his character Cyborg in the original film. Now that the Snyder Cut has been released, we see that Cyborg, the character Ray Fisher played, is actually a linchpin of the film and a really important character overall in this new DC universe.
Well, it’s definitely not a new phenomenon. For instance, if you look at the first Green Lantern film, the John Stewart character, who is a Black Green Lantern, really is the more known character because of the fact that, just like Cyborg, this character has been on multiple platforms. And John Stewart is a really popular character on Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. They still went with Ryan Reynolds as the white, Hal Jordan version of the character, in spite of the fact that there was obviously an audience of people who knew the other character more. I’m hoping that now that this cut is out, it’s definitely a message to not only Warner Bros., but other larger transmedia companies, that it really is in their best interest to listen to the audience, to listen to these different constituencies who are not used to seeing themselves reflected in these spaces. And also too, that systemic racism and also inherent personal bigotry does exist and that sometimes it manifests itself, sometimes even subconsciously, in different ways to not let these particular images come out.
When I was a kid growing up, most of the Black superheroes were really lame. Originally Black Lightning and a lot of these Black superheroes were dependent on some white guy making them a technical suit. How has that changed today? What have we seen in the evolution of Black male and female characters that now they are empowered, they do have natural abilities. Why do you think we’ve seen that change and where’s that sort of played out in TV and cartoons and comic books?
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I had the same experience coming up. So I think what starts to happen is you start these mainstream comic book companies start to hire Black editors and Black writers who really care about these Black superheroes and bring a level of authenticity, and meaning, and empowerment to these characters. So what’s happened is you’ve seen these people who are coming from these spaces actively making characters that look like them, or writing about characters that look like them. If you read through these comics these days, they’re really good. They’re actually doing a great job of doing their research and also really, really stretching out and filling up these characters a lot more. I think when you have Black editors or editors who are of the same cultural background as the characters, you start to see a lot of enrichment.
BY JASON JOHNSON
MARCH 26, 20213:43 PM
The Falcon applies for a bank loan. Photo illustration by Slate. Photo by Disney+.
It was just three years ago when Marvel’s Black Panther took Hollywood, and the world, by storm. It broke box office records and finally convinced white audiences and gatekeepers in Hollywood that Black superheroes could be as popular and profitable as Superman and Batman. With the rerelease of Zack Snyder’s Justice League on HBO Max and the launch of the highly anticipated Disney+ series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Black superheroes are once again at the forefront of pop culture.
ADVERTISEMENT
On Friday’s episode of A Word, I spoke with John Jennings about the phenomenon. He’s a professor of media and cultural studies at the University of California, Riverside, as well as an award-winning comic book artist. Jennings is also the curator of the Abrams Megascope line of graphic novels. Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Jason Johnson: Look, you and I are both comic book fans. But, for folks who are casual fans at best, why does it matter if Black characters are actually front and center in the comic book genre, now that it’s so pervasive in American culture?
John Jennings: I personally think that everyone who is in a society or participating in a society deserves to see themselves reflected back at them. Since the inception of our country, white people have actually taken that for granted to a great deal, and honestly, anyone who is in power takes that for granted. And so there’s also this demonization of Black folk or denigration of Black people that is actually a part of our country as well. And so it begs the question: “Well, how would the Black character actually be trusted enough to save you?”—that kind of thing. So these are some really interesting questions when we talk about heroism and whose culture is actually being counted and whose history is being counted.
The other thing, too, is comics are basically these morality tales; they’re extremely mired in ideas around good and evil. And so to some people, that actually might be oxymoronic to talk about a Black superhero, right? Like, “How can a Black person be a hero?” So these are some of the ideas that pop up, and traditionally in popular culture these particular stereotypes have haunted the Black image in popular media. So to see something like Black Panther or Falcon or Cyborg or Black Lightning, or what have you, these particular characters start to become extremely powerful and empowering to Black people in particular.
In the last week or so, two big features premiered. In a lot of ways, they were centered on Black heroes. So we’re going to start with talking about The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. We’ve got Anthony Mackie staring as the Falcon. This is a superhero whose main power seems to be that he has sort of a flying suit; he’s sort of a techno genius. But in a clip, from the premiere episode, we see Falcon trying to get a bank loan. How does that scene play into that role of Black people being much more grounded as heroes?
ADVERTISEMENT
I find that a lot of people don’t realize, or haven’t really thought about, the fact that there are tropes and ideas that are connected to superheroes as a genre. There’s this cool book called Superhero: The Secret Origin of a Genre by Peter Coogan that lays out three categories that illustrate what a superhero is. One of them is the powers, of course, the identity. And then, there’s this thing called “a mission.” And a lot of times that mission is supposed to be altruistic, right? So, superheroes are not supposed to be paid for what they’re doing. Now, you look at someone like Falcon. Falcon was in the military. Some people were like, “Well, why didn’t you go to Navy Federal?”—because he’s actually a veteran.
And the other thing is it does actually speak to the amount of sacrifice that Black people in this country have gone through to help build the nation but also how the nation hasn’t loved them back. So, we talked about not having direct access to the GI Bill. We’re talking about an erasure of the history of Black soldiers and people in the military. We’re talking about just how people have been treated, how Black people have been treated after they come back from wars.
Also, in that scene, the white bank owner thinks he’s an athlete at first too. It’s definitely talking about from really, really particular microaggressions or even macroaggressions to a direct indictment of institutionalized racism in our country. Even for someone as amazing as the Falcon is.
Is keeping all of these Black superheroes grounded in real-world issues—instead of always fighting aliens or jumping through universes like white folks—is that a lack of imagination with Black characters? Or is it because we as consumers find them more authentic and engaging when they’re facing the real-world issues that we face.
On some level, you want to have a character that will allow you to escape the everyday. But I would definitely argue that comics, particularly superhero comics have always dealt with the on-the-ground, everyday kind of issues, social issues, even Superman started out as more of a socially centered character. And of course, you look at some of the characters in the ’70s, like Green Lantern and Green Arrow. Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams created a series of comics where these two white characters are actively dealing with racism and land rights and all these different issues. So I would say that it depends on the reader in some fashion. I think we should have a smattering of both. I feel like as a Black artist, as a scholar, as someone who wants to see these things unpacked and dealt with, I think it’s very difficult for me to get down with a character that’s fighting against Galactus or, like, Thanos or what have you, if you’re still dealing with these racialized issues on the planet. Something’s going to really feel corny and not relevant if it doesn’t deal a little bit with what’s going on in a society, because entertainment has always done that, and the comics definitely have always done that.
ADVERTISEMENT
I want to turn to Justice League. Justice League has this thing called the Snyder Cut. The original Justice League film came out in 2017. It was not very popular. It made money globally, but it was riddled with critical attacks. And it’s just been rereleased in an extended version. And in this new version, a character named Cyborg played by Ray Fisher had a heck of a lot more screen time than he did in 2017. So then we find out about a year ago that the actor Ray Fisher, who plays Cyborg in the original Justice League film, said that it was an incredibly hostile environment, that director Joss Whedon had been racially discriminatory and had retaliated against him by cutting the screen time and the role of his character Cyborg in the original film. Now that the Snyder Cut has been released, we see that Cyborg, the character Ray Fisher played, is actually a linchpin of the film and a really important character overall in this new DC universe.
Well, it’s definitely not a new phenomenon. For instance, if you look at the first Green Lantern film, the John Stewart character, who is a Black Green Lantern, really is the more known character because of the fact that, just like Cyborg, this character has been on multiple platforms. And John Stewart is a really popular character on Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. They still went with Ryan Reynolds as the white, Hal Jordan version of the character, in spite of the fact that there was obviously an audience of people who knew the other character more. I’m hoping that now that this cut is out, it’s definitely a message to not only Warner Bros., but other larger transmedia companies, that it really is in their best interest to listen to the audience, to listen to these different constituencies who are not used to seeing themselves reflected in these spaces. And also too, that systemic racism and also inherent personal bigotry does exist and that sometimes it manifests itself, sometimes even subconsciously, in different ways to not let these particular images come out.
When I was a kid growing up, most of the Black superheroes were really lame. Originally Black Lightning and a lot of these Black superheroes were dependent on some white guy making them a technical suit. How has that changed today? What have we seen in the evolution of Black male and female characters that now they are empowered, they do have natural abilities. Why do you think we’ve seen that change and where’s that sort of played out in TV and cartoons and comic books?
ADVERTISEMENT
I had the same experience coming up. So I think what starts to happen is you start these mainstream comic book companies start to hire Black editors and Black writers who really care about these Black superheroes and bring a level of authenticity, and meaning, and empowerment to these characters. So what’s happened is you’ve seen these people who are coming from these spaces actively making characters that look like them, or writing about characters that look like them. If you read through these comics these days, they’re really good. They’re actually doing a great job of doing their research and also really, really stretching out and filling up these characters a lot more. I think when you have Black editors or editors who are of the same cultural background as the characters, you start to see a lot of enrichment.
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Marvel Boss Kevin Feige Kind Of Addresses the Rumors That 'Young Avengers' Is Coming to the MCU
Marvel boss Kevin Feige was recently asked directly about ‘Young Avengers’ finally coming to the MCU and he kind of answered the question.
Exclusive: Marvel boss Kevin Feige shoots down report of Chris Evans returning as Captain America
Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige responds to reports about Chris Evans returning to the MCU.
Marvel boss Kevin Feige shoots down report of Chris Evans returning as Captain America
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier stars Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan also respond to the report.
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March 17, 2021 at 11:30 AM EDT
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"I rarely answer no to anything anymore because things are always surprising me with what happens, but that rumor, I think, was dispelled rather quickly by the man himself," Feige tells EW in an interview for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Deadline originally reported that Evans was in talks for a Steve Rogers comeback, though likely in a smaller capacity, similar to how Robert Downey Jr. appeared in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Marvel declined to comment when reached by EW at the time, and a rep for Evans did not respond to emailed inquiries.
Anthony Mackie, whose Sam Wilson character was handpicked by Steve in Endgame to now wield the vibranium shield, says he has "no idea" what's going on with Evans. "I was actually fishing [when the report came out]. When I came back in to get some shrimp, the dude at the dock was like, 'Hey, man! Did you see this s---?!'" Mackie recalls of first hearing about it. "I've been going to the same guy to get my bait for like 20 years and all of a sudden now he's a fan. He had no idea who I was. Now he's a fan."
"Marvel's so secretive, and it's so ridiculous about what we know and what we don't know," he adds. "I have no idea. The dude at the dock selling me shrimp knows more about what's going on with Marvel than I do."
Sebastian Stan, returning as Bucky Barnes with Mackie in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier on Disney+ this Friday, is in the same boat.
"Anything is possible, right?" he says. "I saw he tweeted something about it. So, I don't know. I feel like usually he knows what to say in those things, so I didn't know what to make of it. And I truly don't have any intel on that. I feel like you can't ever think of the words 'Captain America' without thinking about Chris Evans. He's done such an amazing job with it, and I feel like he's always going to have this presence. And he has a presence in our show."