dragon ball super hour special: goku vs jiren (limit breaker goku)

[Adam Knows]

Dude, blue is the super saiyan version of Red. Think of Red as base God form, blue as super 1 and ultra as base of a new form. Since he's giving off heat, there is no control and his power is leaking out.

no. blue is super saiyan yellow tapping into red's power which creates super saiyan blue. blue can be increased in power and the form can be held for a much longer period of time, but it still does not carry the full benefits of red except an increased power level which is why when fighting some characters he was shifting back and forth between the two forms. if blue was the higher form he would have stuck with it the whole time.

limit breaker is something completely different. limit breaker is nothing about super saiyan at all. think more on the lines of gohan using mystic then going super saiyan. super saiyan is brought on by rage/anger, (with the exception of super saiyan god but it's not the same as the others)

 

[Adam Knows]

put it this way... if limit breaker was just another super saiyan level..... vegeta would be able to obtain it at some point, but he can't because of his nature. Gohan, Pan, Kale and Kabba are the only ones i could see doing it.

 

[LordSinister]

no. blue is super saiyan yellow tapping into red's power which creates super saiyan blue. blue can be increased in power and the form can be held for a much longer period of time, but it still does not carry the full benefits of red except an increased power level which is why when fighting some characters he was shifting back and forth between the two forms. if blue was the higher form he would have stuck with it the whole time.

limit breaker is something completely different. limit breaker is nothing about super saiyan at all. think more on the lines of gohan using mystic then going super saiyan. super saiyan is brought on by rage/anger, (with the exception of super saiyan god but it's not the same as the others)

Dude, they even say that blue is the super saiyan of red in the series and manga. The shit was originally called "Super saiyan god super saiyan". The don't show it in the anime, but Vegeta goes Red in the Manga. Red is a god form, but the ki control isn't the same as blue and it uses less energy than Red. Goku used Red against universe 11 for the speed boost, but he switched to Blue for the power and speed burst. You will never see him go from Blue to Red against a powerful opponent cause Red is weaker and slower.

Ultra Omen is body control. We don't know if he can use that in Super Saiyan form yet.

 

[LordSinister]

put it this way... if limit breaker was just another super saiyan level..... vegeta would be able to obtain it at some point, but he can't because of his nature. Gohan, Pan, Kale and Kabba are the only ones i could see doing it.

Peep the Manga. Vegeta has spent more time with Whis and managed to catch up to Goku's perfected blue form. He used it against Beerus.

Vegeta has come a long way in Super. He is actually taking lessons from someone and admitting that he has faults and needs to improve. He has even taken time to Train Trunks and Caba. He is going to get Ultra instinct. Matter of fact, I bet he shows perfect Ki control in the tournament before Goku does. Peep both times he blew up the time chamber and compare his state after each one. The 2nd time, he was calm as shit. Right now Vegeta is the MVP as he has the most K.O.'s

 

[Adam Knows]

Peep the Manga. Vegeta has spent more time with Whis and managed to catch up to Goku's perfected blue form. He used it against Beerus.

Vegeta has come a long way in Super. He is actually taking lessons from someone and admitting that he has faults and needs to improve. He has even taken time to Train Trunks and Caba. He is going to get Ultra instinct. Matter of fact, I bet he shows perfect Ki control in the tournament before Goku does. Peep both times he blew up the time chamber and compare his state after each one. The 2nd time, he was calm as shit. Right now Vegeta is the MVP as he has the most K.O.'s

true. BUT he can never achieve limit breaker for the same reason he could never create a spirit bomb. or the same reason why goku can't create a spirit bomb in super saiyan form.

 

[Adam Knows]

Peep the Manga. Vegeta has spent more time with Whis and managed to catch up to Goku's perfected blue form. He used it against Beerus.

Vegeta has come a long way in Super. He is actually taking lessons from someone and admitting that he has faults and needs to improve. He has even taken time to Train Trunks and Caba. He is going to get Ultra instinct. Matter of fact, I bet he shows perfect Ki control in the tournament before Goku does. Peep both times he blew up the time chamber and compare his state after each one. The 2nd time, he was calm as shit. Right now Vegeta is the MVP as he has the most K.O.'s

i didn't say vegeta couldn't become saiyan red. i said he can't become limit breaker vegeta

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Frieza arc

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The Trunk's arc is easily my favorite arc in the series,so far...


Some of the fillers makes no fucking sense at all like this one..

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I'm finally caught up,they better not let Caulifla and Kale get SS3.......

I wish Vegeta could get a standalone movie where he gets powers exclusive to him, like how Goku learned instant transmission.

But Toriyama has already gone on record saying he doesn't like Vegeta so that won't happen.

They have to show some love to Vegeta or I will be pissed.

My homie don't even fuck with Dragon Balls no more,because they don't give Vegeta love at all....

You would think,he would be slightly stronger than Goku,since he's been doing the most training between the two.Hell,I was disappointed when they allowed Goku to train with Whis,after he learned SS God.


And,why is Gohan so weak in this series.I understand,he's been going to college and etc,but all the way back to DBZ I thought he would surpass or be on par with Goku,because it was said he had raw power as a kid.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

I'm finally caught up,they better not let Caulifla and Kale get SS3.......









My homie don't even fuck with Dragon Balls no more,because they don't give Vegeta love at all....

You would think,he would be slightly stronger than Goku,since he's been doing the most training between the two.Hell,I was disappointed when they allowed Goku to train with Whis,after he learned SS God.

Shit, just give Vegeta a new power Goku doesn't have. Goku has Kaioken, instant transmission and the spirit bomb. I understand Goku had teachers and Vegeta likes to do it alone but since he has Whis he should have learned a technique.

But I was surprised how many people dislike Goku and like Vegeta. Even the guy who voices Vegeta hates Goku:

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Shit, just give Vegeta a new power Goku doesn't have. Goku has Kaioken, instant transmission and the spirit bomb. I understand Goku had teachers and Vegeta likes to do it alone but since he has Whis he should have learned a technique.

But I was surprised how many people dislike Goku and like Vegeta. Even the guy who voices Vegeta hates Goku:

Vegeta needs 3 or 4 new powers.

I think the reason,why people hate Goku is because he that dude that doesn't take a serious situation serious and he plays with his opponents way too much,especially with weaker opponents.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Vegeta needs 3 or 4 new powers.

I think the reason,why people hate Goku is because he that dude that doesn't take a serious situation serious and he plays with his opponents way too much,especially with weaker opponents.

I agree. Whis brought that up.

 

[Jae]

The writer doesn't even like Vegeta, hes only alive because he has alot of fans.
But as far as him getting any shine from Akira, not happening.

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/03/16/dragon-ball-creator-least-favorite-character-vegeta/

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

The writer doesn't even like Vegeta, hes only alive because he has alot of fans.
But as far as him getting any shine from Akira, not happening.

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/03/16/dragon-ball-creator-least-favorite-character-vegeta/

The funny thing is the more fucked up of a situation they put Vegeta in the more the fans like him because it's obvious he's getting jerked around.

I almost stopped watching when they rewound time and gave Goku a second chance to beat Golden Freiza. They could have let Vegeta get that one.

 

[Multi - Personality]

Good episode.

Could tell that Goku is doing trial and error to get back to limit breaker by going up against female Goku and female Broly

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The writer doesn't even like Vegeta, hes only alive because he has alot of fans.
But as far as him getting any shine from Akira, not happening.

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/03/16/dragon-ball-creator-least-favorite-character-vegeta/

It's totally the opposite from Kishimoto,who created Naruto...He kept giving Sasuke new powers,because he was in the top 3 of favorite characters on the show.

Good episode.

Could tell that Goku is doing trial and error to get back to limit breaker by going up against female Goku and female Broly

It looks like Kale and Caulifla are going to fuse together from the previews I've seen,so far.....

 

[keone]

I'm finally caught up,they better not let Caulifla and Kale get SS3.......









My homie don't even fuck with Dragon Balls no more,because they don't give Vegeta love at all....

You would think,he would be slightly stronger than Goku,since he's been doing the most training between the two.Hell,I was disappointed when they allowed Goku to train with Whis,after he learned SS God.


And,why is Gohan so weak in this series.I understand,he's been going to college and etc,but all the way back to DBZ I thought he would surpass or be on par with Goku,because it was said he had raw power as a kid.

follow the money it will answer all your question.
Goku was suppose to die after the cell saga. and it would all be about gohan.
but the money man

 

[Multi - Personality]

It's totally the opposite from Kishimoto,who created Naruto...He kept giving Sasuke new powers,because he was in the top 3 of favorite characters on the show.



It looks like Kale and Caulifla are going to fuse together from the previews I've seen,so far.....

Yeah...I peeped that.

Vegeta needs respect dammit

 

[doe moe]

Yeah...I peeped that.

Vegeta needs respect dammit

I agree Fam!! Vegeta is a second only to Goku throughout this entire series.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

follow the money it will answer all your question.
Goku was suppose to die after the cell saga. and it would all be about gohan.
but the money man

I enjoy Gohan more than Goku,even though he has some of his father's faults at least he take his fight seriously.

To tell you truth,I'm glad Piccolo is his master,because wouldn't know what to do under Goku

Yeah...I peeped that.

Vegeta needs respect dammit

Even,Krillin got some love before the Tournament of Power began....

 

[keone]

I enjoy Gohan more than Goku,even though he has some of his father's faults at least he take his fight seriously.

To tell you truth,I'm glad Piccolo is his master,because wouldn't know what to do under Goku





Even,Krillin got some love before the Tournament of Power began....

dbz was supposed to be about gohan. he was stronger cause he was half human. they just said fuck it goku making us a lot more money

 

[ilikebigbutts]

i cant wait to see goku master limit breaker. i think the only way kale and caulifla will be able to reach ssj3 right now is through fusion. should be interesting.

 

[Mello Mello]

Vegeta needs 3 or 4 new powers.

I think the reason,why people hate Goku is because he that dude that doesn't take a serious situation serious and he plays with his opponents way too much,especially with weaker opponents.

For me that’s just a minor character flaw. The reason I hate Goku is the writers always find some way to bring him back to save the day. It’s old, repetitive and stale at this point. It was cool when the series first started but now it feels cheap.

The funny thing is the more fucked up of a situation they put Vegeta in the more the fans like him because it's obvious he's getting jerked around.

I almost stopped watching when they rewound time and gave Goku a second chance to beat Golden Freiza. They could have let Vegeta get that one.

Case in point ^^^ that moment was so bogus.

Goku drops bombs that should split the world in half but let Vegeta do it and it’s too destructive.

Round out the series give some other characters a chance to figure out how to beat the main villain or at least do it together.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

dbz was supposed to be about gohan. he was stronger cause he was half human. they just said fuck it goku making us a lot more money

I didn't know that,they should of had Gohan the main character,but whenever Gohan has trouble with a really strong opponent Goku comes help him.

For me that’s just a minor character flaw. The reason I hate Goku is the writers always find some way to bring him back to save the day. It’s old, repetitive and stale at this point. It was cool when the series first started but now it feels cheap.



Case in point ^^^ that moment was so bogus.

Goku drops bombs that should split the world in half but let Vegeta do it and it’s too destructive.

Round out the series give some other characters a chance to figure out how to beat the main villain or at least do it together.

Like,the Beerus arc when Goku stopped Vegeta from killing Freiza......I was like...gtfoh

Me personally,I would like to see more Majin Buu.They made him this super strong character and then made him lazy.I didn't see the point of having him fight in the tournament and then turn around and have him go into a deep sleep.

 

[Mello Mello]

I didn't know that,they should of had Gohan the main character,but whenever Gohan has trouble with a really strong opponent Goku comes help him.




Like,the Beerus arc when Goku stopped Vegeta from killing Freiza......I was like...gtfoh

Me personally,I would like to see more Majin Buu.They made him this super strong character and then made him lazy.I didn't see the point of having him fight in the tournament and then turn around and have him go into a deep sleep.

I was like they finally about to let my man Vegeta kill the villain off.

But then Whis goes back in time 4 mins so Goku can do it instead.

Majin Buu too, its like why have all these super fighters around just to be bit part players to Goku. Can’t be shit without Goku.

 

[Multi - Personality]

Goku drops bombs that should split the world in half but let Vegeta do it and it’s too destructive.

So you're saying Vegeta's actually a black character........ LOL

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

For me that’s just a minor character flaw. The reason I hate Goku is the writers always find some way to bring him back to save the day. It’s old, repetitive and stale at this point. It was cool when the series first started but now it feels cheap.



Case in point ^^^ that moment was so bogus.

Goku drops bombs that should split the world in half but let Vegeta do it and it’s too destructive.

Round out the series give some other characters a chance to figure out how to beat the main villain or at least do it together.

That is what happened with Gohan in the Cell games. Goku dropped out and let Gohan get the win.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

I was like they finally about to let my man Vegeta kill the villain off.

But then Whis goes back in time 4 mins so Goku can do it instead.

Majin Buu too, its like why have all these super fighters around just to be bit part players to Goku. Can’t be shit without Goku.

To make matters worse, all of the other characters kissed Goku's ass afterwards and ignored the beating Vegeta put on Freiza. They even threw him a feast in his honor. I kept saying if I was Vegeta I wouldn't have went to it.

 

[Adam Knows]

Peep the Manga. Vegeta has spent more time with Whis and managed to catch up to Goku's perfected blue form. He used it against Beerus.

Vegeta has come a long way in Super. He is actually taking lessons from someone and admitting that he has faults and needs to improve. He has even taken time to Train Trunks and Caba. He is going to get Ultra instinct. Matter of fact, I bet he shows perfect Ki control in the tournament before Goku does. Peep both times he blew up the time chamber and compare his state after each one. The 2nd time, he was calm as shit. Right now Vegeta is the MVP as he has the most K.O.'s

he can't achieve limit breaker for the same reason why goku can't create a spirit bomb

 

[Mello Mello]

So you're saying Vegeta's actually a black character........ LOL

He is tho.

That is what happened with Gohan in the Cell games. Goku dropped out and let Gohan get the win.

After he helped him blast Cell away. My man came from heaven to support Gohan. So even half that won was Goku’s.

To make matters worse, all of the other characters kissed Goku's ass afterwards and ignored the beating Vegeta put on Freiza. They even threw him a feast in his honor. I kept saying if I was Vegeta I wouldn't have went to it.

THIS^^^^



Vegeta gets no respect.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

It's crazy,how everyone on the show changed over time except for Goku,he acts like a fucking child and it's annoying ass fuck

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

‘Dragon Ball Super’ Confirms The Extent Of Jiren's Power

There’s no other way to describe Jiren than over-powered. The Pride Trooper is one of the stronger fighters Goku has ever faced, and the Saiyan even lost to Jiren in a recent Dragon Ball Super episode. Goku’s latest transformation is not yet able to defeat Jiren, but fans shouldn’t be too surprised about Goku struggling.

After all, Toppo did confirm Jiren is just as powerful as fans have suspected.


In the most recent chapter of Dragon Ball Super, fans watched as Goku and Toppo went head-to-head in an exhibition match. The hero powered through all his forms in hopes of beating Toppo, but the Pride Trooper did not relent. When the latter won the match, Toppo admitted there was a person in his universe that’s stronger than him.

“In our universe, there is a person named Jiren — He’s much stronger than I am. I still have a long way to go if I want to reach Jiren,” Toppo tells Goku before dropping another bombshell.


“By the way, based on combat skill alone... Jiren is stronger than our God of Destruction, Lord Belmod.”

Goku looks understandably shocked by the admission especially since the Saiyan has seen Belmod fight. When all the Gods of Destruction sparred, Goku remarked all their power was insane and that “their strength in mind blowing.” If Jiren is stronger than both Toppo and Belmod, then Goku knows he will have a big fight on his hands.

The anime has referenced Jiren’s strength in passing during the Tournament of Power, but its manga has the time to stress the issue. Toei Animation’s website has also addressed the topic in Jiren’s online biography as it says his “true power is said to be at the level of God / Gods of Destruction.”

Of course, Goku did just get his own power-up to help counter Jiren and his strength. The fighter was able to go Ultra Instinct during his epic battle with Jiren, giving him a power which the Gods of Destruction struggle to use. If Goku can get a better handle on the power, then the Saiyan may have a chance at beating Jiren, so fans can only hope the hero finds a way to go Ultra Instinct once more.

Dragon Ball Super's “Universal Survival” saga is part of the recent simulcast agreement that sites like Crunchyroll and Funimation have scored. Dragon Ball Super airs on Crunchyroll Saturdays at 7:15 p.m. CST. Toonami airs the English dub on Adult Swim Saturdays at 11:30 p.m.


http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/11/01/dragon-ball-super-how-powerful-is-jiren/

 

[fu2]

He is tho.



After he helped him blast Cell away. My man came from heaven to support Gohan. So even half that won was Goku’s.



THIS^^^^



Vegeta gets no respect.

I'm not saying that Vegeta will win the whole thing or outright defeat Jiren, but they have dropped some major hints at him ascending to a higher level of power. All of the things Whis has said would be the signs are there. Vegeta has been quietly showing them. He's not on display like Goku is as far as everyone in the battle watching his every move.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

It's crazy,how everyone on the show changed over time except for Goku,he acts like a fucking child and it's annoying ass fuck

That's what the guy who voices Vegeta said. How many battles could Goku have ended if he was serious? How many times has he deserted his family to train?

 

[spider705]

So the hot new rumor is that vegeta has already achieved ultra instinct, or some level of power beyond ss blue/kk 100...

These internet nerds are bringing up intersting points. There are 2 that really are head scratchers.

1. Vegeta is freakishly calm, especially after witnessing Goku attain ultra instinct. Think back to every time Goku attained some new power level and right there is a HIGHLY PISSED Vegeta. This time he's calm as ever. When Goku is UI, everybody else is saying how they can't even see Goku or his movements, but Vegeta says he can see it clearly. And he's inquisitive about Goku achieving this vs jealous. Goku has always been one step ahead of him, so it's like he assumed Goku knew what he was doing and he wanted answers because he didn't understand.

Plus, factor in Whis telling him if he ever learned to control his ki he'd be as strong, or stronger than Goku.

2. Vegeta admits defeat. When he know the person he going up against is stronger than him he'll go into this long drawn out speech internalizing his defeat but still wanting to fight on. He just saw Jiren defeat Goku in UI and he's still ready to go at Jiren's neck like he ain't shit.

It's like he is DEFINITELY hiding something...