The Chinese company announced earlier in the week that their battery went 650 miles on a single charge.
ELECTRIC CARS: So You Want An EV Huh? LMAO!!!!
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Its' a place in Michigan did this years ago, it won't come to consumers for 10 years. (They did this in 2021)
I WOULD NOT BUY AN ev & I've had different ones in my garage for years..
Just filled my widebody charger up for $2.94 a gallon premium... (took me about 7 minutes including waiting in the Sams line)
My wife's Blazer RS ev costs her out in the wild about $2.27 (took her 60 minutes & she went on;y to 80%) ALSO SHE HAD TO WAIT IN LINE
I drive by the company almost every day as I live in Rochester Hills, Mi & it's right around the corner basically
Tesla Model S Goes 752 Miles with a Prototype Battery from a Michigan Startup
This 'proof of concept' was meant to show that very long-range, environmentally sustainable battery packs can exist—and ONE, Inc., is about to start building one.
VIEW PHOTOSOUR NEXT ENERGY (ONE)
Imagine an electric car that covers 752 miles on a single charge. You can't buy it today, but a modified Tesla Model S drove that distance across Michigan last month. It was the work of a two-year-old Michigan startup, Our Next Energy (ONE), which says it is aiming to make safer and more sustainable batteries. ONE retrofitted the car with a battery holding twice the energy of Tesla's original—while fitting entirely within the same space. It's a proof of concept for the company's own future battery design.
Faster Charging, or Bigger Batteries?
Two ways exist to assuage range anxiety among EV buyers. The first is ubiquitous, reliable, nationwide DC fast charging, like Tesla's Supercharger network. Unfortunately, only Tesla offers that today. Every other EV relies on a mishmash of private networks of varying reliabilities.The second is to improve the range of EVs by a combination of large-capacity batteries and improving their efficiency. That's the approach used by the Mercedes-Benz Vision EQXX, an ultra-efficient concept EV that was just unveiled Monday. Its goal is to provide 620 miles of range in a luxury sedan.
ONE's project didn't mess with anything to alter the Model S's efficiency, but employed a much higher-capacity battery. "We want to accelerate the adoption of EVs by eliminating range anxiety, which holds back consumers today," said ONE founder and CEO Mujeeb Ijaz. He's a battery engineer with more than 30 years' experience, including stints at Apple, A123 Systems, Ford, and others.
VIEW PHOTOSOUR NEXT ENERGY (ONE)
ONE put its higher-capacity prototype pack into a Tesla Model S Long Range Plus, providing nearly 90 percent more range than its original 402-mile EPA figure. The demonstration car is actually the same vehicle (before ONE modified it) that won our EV 1000 long-range trip last spring. In our own highway range test last May, that car achieved 320 miles at a steady 75 mph, the farthest distance we've recorded. (That model has since been supplanted by the Model S Long Range, rated at 405 miles.)
The original Tesla battery had a capacity of 103.9 kilowatt-hours, while the prototype ONE battery that replaced it in the same space has 207.3 kWh. CEO Ijaz confirmed to C/D that ONE used "a single pack retrofitted in the same space as the original battery." So it's far more energy-dense, but delivered consumption (in miles per kWh) roughly equal to that of the original battery.
VIEW PHOTOSOUR NEXT ENERGY (ONE)
ONE's drive took place in mid-December in Michigan—with chilly winter temperatures working against range maximization—where the company drove up and down the length of the mitten state for nearly 14 hours, averaging 55 mph, before winding up back at its Novi headquarters in southeastern Michigan with the trip odometer showing 752.2 miles. Later, in a much less taxing test, the company put the Model S on a dynamometer at a steady 55 mph, where it ran for a staggering 882 miles on a charge.
The company dubs its prototype a proof of concept. The point is to show that real-world ranges far longer than an average driver's endurance (pit stops, ahem) can be achieved in the near future. The next step is for it to evolve into a new battery called Gemini, intended to go into production after 2023.
ONE says it focuses on battery chemistries that are "safer" and "sustainable," using a "conflict-free supply chain." In practice, that means lithium iron-phosphate (LFP) chemistry, which historically has energy density 30 percent lower than cobalt- or nickel-based chemistries (and, unfortunately, reportedly cold-weather issues). Its first product, Aries, will go into production late this year. It's a battery using prismatic LFP cells in a structural cell-to-pack architecture without separate modules, packing more cells into the pack to lower the energy disadvantage against cobalt cells.
One Battery, Two Cell Types
For Gemini, the company plans to supplement the lower-cost LFP cells with a range-extender portion of the battery for extreme power needs, to reduce stress and deterioration in the bulk of the pack. Range-extender cells will use an anode modified to eliminate graphite, which the company says "makes more volume available for the cathode" to boost the energy density of the range-extender cells.The cathode will be made of a proprietary material rich in manganese that ONE says can be sustainably sourced at low cost. (The company has so far applied for 14 patents related to the Gemini pack.) The LFP cells cover 99 percent of the vehicle’s duty cycle, Ijaz told C/D, and the range extender is used for just 1 percent.
As a proof of concept, however, the prototype pack used in the demonstration was powered by different cells. The capacity of more than 200 kilowatt-hours was provided by high-energy cobalt-nickel cells, while those intended for the Gemini line are still under development.
The point of this test, then, wasn’t about ONE's future plans for new cells. Instead, it was to show that it's possible to pack considerably more energy into a battery the same size as today's—without, for instance, double-stacking a pair of packs, as GM is doing in its 2022 GMC Hummer EV.
Headlines about EVs with 752 miles of range, or the EQXX's target of 620 miles, or the 520 miles of the 2022 Lucid Air version now being delivered, should go a long way to reassure nervous buyers. People will start to believe that EVs capable of very long ranges are possible—even if they end up opting for a more affordable 300-mile alternative in the end.
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We have several PHEV's coming out, I'm working on one as we speak...
This is the way we should've went from the get go.
The big ones will do 720-760 miles combined
The small ones will do over 600 miles combined
This is the way we should've went from the get go.
The big ones will do 720-760 miles combined
The small ones will do over 600 miles combined
That was a corny press release released during Covid. I’m not saying I think they’re full of it. But: they’re full of it.Its' a place in Michigan did this years ago, it won't come to consumers for 10 years. (They did this in 2021)
I WOULD NOT BUY AN ev & I've had different ones in my garage for years..
Just filled my widebody charger up for $2.94 a gallon premium... (took me about 7 minutes including waiting in the Sams line)
My wife's Blazer RS ev costs her out in the wild about $2.27 (took her 60 minutes & she went on;y to 80%) ALSO SHE HAD TO WAIT IN LINE
I drive by the company almost every day as I live in Rochester Hills, Mi & it's right around the corner basically
Tesla Model S Goes 752 Miles with a Prototype Battery from a Michigan Startup
This 'proof of concept' was meant to show that very long-range, environmentally sustainable battery packs can exist—and ONE, Inc., is about to start building one.
BY JOHN VOELCKERPUBLISHED: JAN 5, 2022
OUR NEXT ENERGY (ONE)
Imagine an electric car that covers 752 miles on a single charge. You can't buy it today, but a modified Tesla Model S drove that distance across Michigan last month. It was the work of a two-year-old Michigan startup, Our Next Energy (ONE), which says it is aiming to make safer and more sustainable batteries. ONE retrofitted the car with a battery holding twice the energy of Tesla's original—while fitting entirely within the same space. It's a proof of concept for the company's own future battery design.
Faster Charging, or Bigger Batteries?
Two ways exist to assuage range anxiety among EV buyers. The first is ubiquitous, reliable, nationwide DC fast charging, like Tesla's Supercharger network. Unfortunately, only Tesla offers that today. Every other EV relies on a mishmash of private networks of varying reliabilities.
The second is to improve the range of EVs by a combination of large-capacity batteries and improving their efficiency. That's the approach used by the Mercedes-Benz Vision EQXX, an ultra-efficient concept EV that was just unveiled Monday. Its goal is to provide 620 miles of range in a luxury sedan.
ONE's project didn't mess with anything to alter the Model S's efficiency, but employed a much higher-capacity battery. "We want to accelerate the adoption of EVs by eliminating range anxiety, which holds back consumers today," said ONE founder and CEO Mujeeb Ijaz. He's a battery engineer with more than 30 years' experience, including stints at Apple, A123 Systems, Ford, and others.
OUR NEXT ENERGY (ONE)
ONE put its higher-capacity prototype pack into a Tesla Model S Long Range Plus, providing nearly 90 percent more range than its original 402-mile EPA figure. The demonstration car is actually the same vehicle (before ONE modified it) that won our EV 1000 long-range trip last spring. In our own highway range test last May, that car achieved 320 miles at a steady 75 mph, the farthest distance we've recorded. (That model has since been supplanted by the Model S Long Range, rated at 405 miles.)
The original Tesla battery had a capacity of 103.9 kilowatt-hours, while the prototype ONE battery that replaced it in the same space has 207.3 kWh. CEO Ijaz confirmed to C/D that ONE used "a single pack retrofitted in the same space as the original battery." So it's far more energy-dense, but delivered consumption (in miles per kWh) roughly equal to that of the original battery.
OUR NEXT ENERGY (ONE)
ONE's drive took place in mid-December in Michigan—with chilly winter temperatures working against range maximization—where the company drove up and down the length of the mitten state for nearly 14 hours, averaging 55 mph, before winding up back at its Novi headquarters in southeastern Michigan with the trip odometer showing 752.2 miles. Later, in a much less taxing test, the company put the Model S on a dynamometer at a steady 55 mph, where it ran for a staggering 882 miles on a charge.
The company dubs its prototype a proof of concept. The point is to show that real-world ranges far longer than an average driver's endurance (pit stops, ahem) can be achieved in the near future. The next step is for it to evolve into a new battery called Gemini, intended to go into production after 2023.
ONE says it focuses on battery chemistries that are "safer" and "sustainable," using a "conflict-free supply chain." In practice, that means lithium iron-phosphate (LFP) chemistry, which historically has energy density 30 percent lower than cobalt- or nickel-based chemistries (and, unfortunately, reportedly cold-weather issues). Its first product, Aries, will go into production late this year. It's a battery using prismatic LFP cells in a structural cell-to-pack architecture without separate modules, packing more cells into the pack to lower the energy disadvantage against cobalt cells.
One Battery, Two Cell Types
For Gemini, the company plans to supplement the lower-cost LFP cells with a range-extender portion of the battery for extreme power needs, to reduce stress and deterioration in the bulk of the pack. Range-extender cells will use an anode modified to eliminate graphite, which the company says "makes more volume available for the cathode" to boost the energy density of the range-extender cells.
The cathode will be made of a proprietary material rich in manganese that ONE says can be sustainably sourced at low cost. (The company has so far applied for 14 patents related to the Gemini pack.) The LFP cells cover 99 percent of the vehicle’s duty cycle, Ijaz told C/D, and the range extender is used for just 1 percent.
As a proof of concept, however, the prototype pack used in the demonstration was powered by different cells. The capacity of more than 200 kilowatt-hours was provided by high-energy cobalt-nickel cells, while those intended for the Gemini line are still under development.
The point of this test, then, wasn’t about ONE's future plans for new cells. Instead, it was to show that it's possible to pack considerably more energy into a battery the same size as today's—without, for instance, double-stacking a pair of packs, as GM is doing in its 2022 GMC Hummer EV.
Headlines about EVs with 752 miles of range, or the EQXX's target of 620 miles, or the 520 miles of the 2022 Lucid Air version now being delivered, should go a long way to reassure nervous buyers. People will start to believe that EVs capable of very long ranges are possible—even if they end up opting for a more affordable 300-mile alternative in the end.
They are. This 2035 shit will stop in a few years
Yeah, the infrastructure will get better with time. I'm not a EV owner but the writing is on the wall. I just don't like the styling of most of the current EVs.
They are just sitting on dealer lots right now. There are dealers that have been sitting on Hummers for over a year.
They take days to charge to full. That, combined with the price, makes them more of a second or third car even.
Really?? Thought they was on back order
What about em
Exactly.
Really makes you wonder about the cost of gas-powered vehicles in the years ahead. As well as what will happen to ALL of the gas station locations from 2035 onward. As we all know ... there are certain parts of cities wherein you can drive by multiple gas stations in less than 3 - 5 minutes. If all the cars being sold in Canada are EV from 2035 ... do those gas stations start going belly up? Or do they rely on people still driving their older gas-powered cars, albeit in limited numbers? Do people bite the bullet and buy up gas-powered vehicles just prior to 2035? What will gas prices look like then? Shit locally prices are at 1.65 - 1.70 / L of late and considered a "deal" ... considering they've gotten up to $2.14 / L this past summer. Crazy.
I was driving yesterday and listening to a radio show and they were talking about carbon tax(es) and footprint in Canada, and a number of callers were pissed and expressing their frustrations. Talking about how we're already fucked by how much we're taxed, and how most people have very minimal carbon footprint(s) compared to other parts of the world. Think about countries and nations with massive footprints. Or global celebrities themselves with HUGE footprints individually. People travelling the world constantly in their private jets, yachts, whatever the fuck. Living in their palatial estates. Celebs like that have footprints larger than many small cities and states ... but governments are pointing the finger at Joe Average saying you're the problem re: climate change / global warming. Well fuck ... ? ... what the fuck? ... the average person is merely a "drop in the bucket", as the saying goes. Minimal luxuries at best. Especially people living in small / modest dwellings, taking public transit, etc.
Beware costs and logistics of at-home chargers before buying an electric car
It's a simple yet important routine for so many Canadians - plugging in their cellphones and smartwatches before bed to ensure they're fully charged in the morning. Increasingly, there's another item to add to the list: the car.
The ev 1's and ev2's were outlawed until they could confuse the technology a lot. I am sure everybody has seen Sony's ( WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR)
I've waited in line before... in PA. It was 4 people in front of me and I was charging about 15 minutes later. I've traveled almost 9,000 miles last summer and that was the only time I've ever waited for a DC Fast charger.
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It can be argued that they put their thumb on the scale to get that mileage (cool temperatures, no higher than 56 MPH) but they were open about this and livestreamed all of it. Just pointing it out before someone comes in and say it was a scam. My guess is in real life it probably would get 400-450 on average which still isn't bad and equals a lot of full size gasoline cars.
There are a few posters in this thread with a very clear agenda against electric vehicles.
Charge @ home, but unfortunately most of these people are probably living in an apartment.
EVs are for homeowners with garages and 240V EVSE chargers in their garage. If you're relying on DC chargers to keep your EV charged, I feel sorry for you... you're doing it wrong.
I love both the Volts I owned. Damn shame mofos can‘y drive in Texas and totaled both. Wouldve bought a third but kids wasn’t squeezing in that shit like they used to. I’m currently looking to cop one for my daughter though. These cars are very slept on the reliability/quality is solid.
Gonna need a wrap anyway since Cybertrucks don't come out of the factory with a clear coat
In most states is based on the value of the vehicle.
How much to you think it cost to register a 2024 S560 Benz?
In most states is based on the value of the vehicle.
Negative, most states do not base registration fees on value. And fuck a Benz, KIA fo life.
In most states is based on the value of the vehicle.
In alot of states, they've started charging a "road use" or "highway" tax on EVs.. mainly to make up for the lost revenue from taxes charged at the pump
