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[Shottis]

NOBODY is "tricked" into doing Ghetto Gaggers. Yeah, a few chicks have tried to claim they didn't know what was going to happen, or even that they were literally "raped" on camera. But the fact that GG has been running without a hitch for two decades puts the lie to those claims. Everybody involved with those productions would have been in jail by now if they were doing the shit they do without airtight contracts explaining the terms of the performance to the performers, and also probably video evidence that all participants were briefed on what is going to happen.

I do think it is possible that some do it because they can't get other porn work, though. Not sure where GG is based, I always got the sense (at least in the earlier days) that they were in New York? For NYC hoodrats who aren't serious about porn (or not attractive enough) to fly all the way to LA or Miami to get into the major leagues... for ghetto strippers who just need to make rent this week, or to buy some H... I can imagine that GG could be seen as a convenient local option.

The ones who quit 2 mins in prob felt tricked lol I’ve watched their reactions and a few felt completely blindsided by how nice they were before and how intense things got. Bootleg def crossed the line a couple times when some of the girls flat out said no

 

[Politic Negro]

I remember her, when I seen that scene the first thing i thought of was she won't be around long, she's a educated sister

She looks like a chick in the burbs with her husband doing well, she had no reason to do porn.

 

[Piff Henderson]

It is diffiicult to understand because it's a falsehood. We're talking about PORN.
You can't cross over from "acting" to "acting." Professional wresting, playing your character, is actually pretty good acting training, like being on a soap opera. It's ACTING. Those aren't even real fights. They're scripted.
Actors don't "cross over" in the same way a porn star would. Actors try to move from tv to films but that is NOT the same as fucking on camera.
PORN: Fake name, explicit sex, big stigma. THAT would be a crossover, but it's never happened.
Who? Ginger Lynn? Only A-list things she did were NYPD Blue and Silk Stalkings. The rest were D-grade horror and nudie films and Skinemax but a lot of porn stars do those.
Sasha Grey? Thought she was going to be a mainstream star because Soderburgh put her in a mainstream movie, The Girlfriend Experience, but she got such bad reviews that was it.
If a porn star appears in something as a hooker or a stripper, not really a "cross over" just a willingness to do nudity.
A real "cross over" would be a regular role, no nudity involved, just acting. Could some do it? Some porn stars, men and women, can act. In the 70s that's how a lot of them started out, as mainstream actors. Jamie Gillis, Harry Reems. But no big studios or networks would hire them for that now. Too much bad publicity. Won't play in the South.
In Japan, no stigma. A porn star can quit porn, keep her porn name, get main stream jobs, and it's perfectly acceptable.
So, a porn "cross over" is not the same as a wrestler doing a movie.

Porn is acting. It's not all gonzo which, by the way, is also acting. And to claim wrestling is "good acting training" is a bit of a stretch. The Rock had one of The Best characters in wrestling but he's only a mid actor at best. Bautista, OTOH, never had a particularly compelling wrestling persona but he's an amazing actor.

I don't see why it matters if they play whores or prostitutes since they're still portraying another character. When Randy Savage portrayed a wrestler in Spider-Man, he was still acting. He "crossed over." When Ray Allen portrayed Jesus Shuttlesworth in He Got Game, he was acting. He "crossed over."

When Bella Donna appeared in Inherent Vice, she showed no nudity. She played a "porn star," IIRC, but she could've easily been playing a secretary or librarian for all her character did. Traci Lords also showed no nudity in Blade nor was she a sex worker even though it was rated R. They both "crossed over" even by your standards.

I didn't know that about Jamie Gillis or Harrie Reems. I do know there was a Black actor, John Bailey, who appeared in Good Times, M*A*S*H, Happy Days and Kentucky Fried Movie who appeared in a porn called New Wave Hookers with Jamie Gillis. He crossed over the other way.

So, yes, a porn star "cross over" is the same as a wrestler, musician, professional athlete or anyone famous in another field doing a film.

Edit: I just looked up Jamie Gillis. He did not start out in mainstream film. His first film is Deep Throat Part II in 1974. He does only porn films until he stars in Nighthawks with Stallone in 1981. From my quick research, Reems only ever did porn and never crossed over.

 

[Piff Henderson]

The ones who quit 2 mins in prob felt tricked lol I’ve watched their reactions and a few felt completely blindsided by how nice they were before and how intense things got. Bootleg def crossed the line a couple times when some of the girls flat out said no

Examples. Bootleg definitely crossed a line when he choked a bitch out. AFAIK, that was the last time they ever went that far too.

 

[Shottis]

Examples. Bootleg definitely crossed a line when he choked a bitch out. AFAIK, that was the last time they ever went that far too.

Without knowing the scenes, I clearly remember a couple times when some girls told him to stop and he kept going, so they quit right after that. Kept spitting on chicks while they walked off too lol dude was wild’n

 

[Piff Henderson]

NOBODY is "tricked" into doing Ghetto Gaggers. Yeah, a few chicks have tried to claim they didn't know what was going to happen, or even that they were literally "raped" on camera. But the fact that GG has been running without a hitch for two decades puts the lie to those claims. Everybody involved with those productions would have been in jail by now if they were doing the shit they do without airtight contracts explaining the terms of the performance to the performers, and also probably video evidence that all participants were briefed on what is going to happen.

I do think it is possible that some do it because they can't get other porn work, though. Not sure where GG is based, I always got the sense (at least in the earlier days) that they were in New York? For NYC hoodrats who aren't serious about porn (or not attractive enough) to fly all the way to LA or Miami to get into the major leagues... for ghetto strippers who just need to make rent this week, or to buy some H... I can imagine that GG could be seen as a convenient local option.

They're based in Jersey. Unless the chick has a criminal record, which is a possibility, they can get a job outside of the sex industry if they're not having much luck there.

If a chick wants to do GG, that's her business, but like I said I don't buy the excuse that it's all most could get even in the sex industry. If that's the case, more studios that aren't necessarily as hard so pop up since there seems to be an excess of chicks who have no other choice but the sex industry.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Without knowing the scenes, I clearly remember a couple times when some girls told him to stop and he kept going, so they quit right after that. Kept spitting on chicks while they walked off too lol dude was wild’n

Yeah, that's over board but I wonder if everything do were going to do was still explained to her but she just didn't realize it would be too intense for her. Ppl tend to often misjudge what they can handle. I'm sure it happens to a lot of these chicks.

 

[Shottis]

Yeah, that's over board but I wonder if everything do were going to do was still explained to her but she just didn't realize it would be too intense for her. Ppl tend to often misjudge what they can handle. I'm sure it happens to a lot of these chicks.

Yeah, what I’m thinking is the girls go into it hearing what happens and then when they experience it they tap out. I watched a lot of the interviews in the beginning and it was some of their first times on camera, some even just turned 18 weeks ago in the earlier scenes. The ones that are over confident were the ones who quit the most

 

[Piff Henderson]

Yeah, what I’m thinking is the girls go into it hearing what happens and then when they experience it they tap out. I watched a lot of the interviews in the beginning and it was some of their first times on camera, some even just turned 18 weeks ago in the earlier scenes. The ones that are over confident were the ones who quit the most

What's fucked up is I believe they only get like $50 if they tap and can't complete a scene. If you look at that sites earliest movies, they're no where near as hard but they accelerated pretty early on.

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[The Plutonian]

I remember her, when I seen that scene the first thing i thought of was she won't be around long, she's a educated sister

She looks like a chick in the burbs with her husband doing well, she had no reason to do porn.

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[The Plutonian]

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[Bumpyjohnson_12]

The ones who quit 2 mins in prob felt tricked lol I’ve watched their reactions and a few felt completely blindsided by how nice they were before and how intense things got. Bootleg def crossed the line a couple times when some of the girls flat out said no

I have to agree with you ghetto gaggers is too much under the microscope for them to not be guiding their eyes and crossing their Ts... I guess it's called the agreement contract that the girls sign probably covers every angle and then some that haven't even been thought of and they probably have one heck of a legal advisor... Right then and there I believe they are making some decent money if they've been going strong for the last 20 years like that

 

[parisian]

if you actually read her interview, things started to spin out of control after her parents divorced and shit got pretty dark

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[joegrine]

They're based in Jersey. Unless the chick has a criminal record, which is a possibility, they can get a job outside of the sex industry if they're not having much luck there.

If a chick wants to do GG, that's her business, but like I said I don't buy the excuse that it's all most could get even in the sex industry. If that's the case, more studios that aren't necessarily as hard so pop up since there seems to be an excess of chicks who have no other choice but the sex industry.

Sure they can get jobs outside the sex industry but UPS ain't gonna get you an urgent $1000 in one day.

Most of the girls you see in GG are not trying to invest in a longterm sex movie career. They're just trynna make some quick money. They do the shoot and you never see them in another video again.

 

[Piff Henderson]

They do the shoot and you never see them in another video again.

Well, that's not always true. Quite a few of the girls returned to GG 3, 4, 5 times. It seems they had more repeats the harder they got maybe because it was hard to attract newer girls.

Hell, even girls who got a lot of work in other studios, like Amethyst Banks, returned.

 

[joegrine]

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I meant that she deleted her personal videos and social media pages. Obviously I wasn't talking about her porn. That's beyond her control.

 

[joegrine]

Well, that's not always true. Quite a few of the girls returned to GG 3, 4, 5 times. It seems they had more repeats the harder they got maybe because it was hard to attract newer girls.

Hell, even girls who got a lot of work in other studios, like Amethyst Banks, returned.

Note that I said "MOST of the girls." Not all.

Yes, there are some girls who come back for repeat performances. Yes, there are some A-list industry girls and OF chicks who do GG shoots. But the vast majority of their catalog is anonymous, one-and-done hoodrats.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Note that I said "MOST of the girls." Not all.

Yes, there are some girls who come back for repeat performances. Yes, there are some A-list industry girls and OF chicks who do GG shoots. But the vast majority of their catalog is anonymous, one-and-done hoodrats.

I don't disagree but a lot of girls do return and it's not exactly a small percentage like it was in the early days. It seems like most of their vids feature girls who've been there at least once already these days.

Also their Latina site seems to be completely dead nowadays. I know Latina girls need quick cash too so I don't know whats up with that.

 

[joegrine]

The ones who quit 2 mins in prob felt tricked lol I’ve watched their reactions and a few felt completely blindsided by how nice they were before and how intense things got. Bootleg def crossed the line a couple times when some of the girls flat out said no

I don't think they were "tricked" per se... they just overestimated their capacity to withstand the performance that was explained to them. Like Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." With these girls, they think they got a plan, they think they got it under control until a stinky, 60-year-old white man jams his dirty black sneaker in their mouth.

 

[Politic Negro]

if you actually read her interview, things started to spin out of control after her parents divorced and shit got pretty dark

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Was that comment for me? I know her story, I was just adding to convo. She's amazing.

Anyway she still looks great.

 

[joegrine]

I don't disagree but a lot of girls do return and it's not exactly a small percentage like it was in the early days. It seems like most of their vids feature girls who've been there at least once already these days.

Also there Latina site seems to be completely dead nowadays. I know Latina girls need quick cash too so I don't know whats up with that.

That might be, but even when I say "one-and-done" it doesn't necessarily mean literally one scene. In the porn industry in general, they try to get 3 scenes out of a girl on average.... preferably shot close together. But my point is that after GG, you don't see the girls in other porn movies... because they were never serious about being porn stars. They just needed to score some quick change.

Probably too much trouble running the multiple sites. If the Latinas are dark enough, they're shunted into GG. If they're lighter, they go into FA. Or maybe they just throw them into the Islamic one, which is more lucrative anyway (or at least it used to be, back in the War on Terror era).

 

[Piff Henderson]

That might be, but even when I say "one-and-done" it doesn't necessarily mean literally one scene. In the porn industry in general, they try to get 3 scenes out of a girl on average.... preferably shot close together. But my point is that after GG, you don't see the girls in other porn movies... because they were never serious about being porn stars. They just needed to score some quick change.

Perhaps. Hopefully, it was really urgent or they're just kinky if they agreed to lick some geriatric's ass and shoe for a quick $1000. I also noticed that IAFD tends to know who these chicks are even if their names aren't mentioned in the scene.

Also why do you think their Latina site is pretty much dead? I doubt they'll turn down a Latina but you don't see them anymore on any of their sites.

 

[joegrine]

Perhaps. Hopefully, it was really urgent or they're just kinky if they agreed to lick some geriatric's ass and shoe for a quick $1000. I also noticed that IAFD tends to know who these chicks are even if their names aren't mentioned in the scene.

Also why do you think their Latina site is pretty much dead? I doubt they'll turn down a Latina but you don't see them anymore on any of their sites.

I mean, I dunno... I don't keep up with that whole brand so much but I'm pretty sure I saw new Latina Abuse scenes like... a few months ago?

Maybe the analytics show that there isn't as much appetite for the Latina content as there was back in the 2000s and early 2010s when Latin culture was being exoticized af. It was kinda replaced by the Arab thing, which was when Mia Khalifa blew up and then everybody seemed to want chicks giving blowjobs in hijabs.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I mean, I dunno... I don't keep up with that whole brand so much but I'm pretty sure I saw new Latina Abuse scenes like... a few months ago?

Maybe the analytics show that there isn't as much appetite for the Latina content as there was back in the 2000s and early 2010s when Latin culture was being exoticized af. It was kinda replaced by the Arab thing, which was when Mia Khalifa blew up and then everybody seemed to want chicks giving blowjobs in hijabs.

It seems like its been longer but I don't check them very often.

I don't think ppl stopped checking on Latina chicks. I don't abelieve nalytics works with porn like that but who knows. Personally, I never liked Mia Khalifa and never beat it to her scenes nor to chicks in hijabs. Shits goofy.

 

[joegrine]

It seems like its been longer but I don't check them very often.

I don't think ppl stopped checking on Latina chicks. I don't abelieve nalytics works with porn like that but who knows. Personally, I never liked Mia Khalifa and never beat it to her scenes nor to chicks in hijabs. Shits goofy.

I never dug the hijab thing either, and never understood the appeal of Mia Khalifa specifically. But it's interesting how war and other social forces impact people's dark erotic desires. After WWII, we saw the rise of Nazi paraphernalia as fetish gear. Twenty years fighting in the Middle East and worrying about Islamist terror attacks at home just made people wanna violently fuck Muslim women.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I never dug the hijab thing either, and never understood the appeal of Mia Khalifa specifically. But it's interesting how war and other social forces impact people's dark erotic desires. After WWII, we saw the rise of Nazi paraphernalia as fetish gear. Twenty years fighting in the Middle East and worrying about Islamist terror attacks at home just made people wanna violently fuck Muslim women.

Somebody could write dissertation on it. I just jerk off to the same shit I always did with a little variety thrown in here and there. I haven't been highly impressed with the new talent by snd large.

 

[amolad]

Porn is acting. It's not all gonzo which, by the way, is also acting. And to claim wrestling is "good acting training" is a bit of a stretch. The Rock had one of The Best characters in wrestling but he's only a mid actor at best. Bautista, OTOH, never had a particularly compelling wrestling persona but he's an amazing actor.

I don't see why it matters if they play whores or prostitutes since they're still portraying another character. When Randy Savage portrayed a wrestler in Spider-Man, he was still acting. He "crossed over." When Ray Allen portrayed Jesus Shuttlesworth in He Got Game, he was acting. He "crossed over."

When Bella Donna appeared in Inherent Vice, she showed no nudity. She played a "porn star," IIRC, but she could've easily been playing a secretary or librarian for all her character did. Traci Lords also showed no nudity in Blade nor was she a sex worker even though it was rated R. They both "crossed over" even by your standards.

I didn't know that about Jamie Gillis or Harrie Reems. I do know there was a Black actor, John Bailey, who appeared in Good Times, M*A*S*H, Happy Days and Kentucky Fried Movie who appeared in a porn called New Wave Hookers with Jamie Gillis. He crossed over the other way.

So, yes, a porn star "cross over" is the same as a wrestler, musician, professional athlete or anyone famous in another field doing a film.

Edit: I just looked up Jamie Gillis. He did not start out in mainstream film. His first film is Deep Throat Part II in 1974. He does only porn films until he stars in Nighthawks with Stallone in 1981. From my quick research, Reems only ever did porn and never crossed over.

First of all, Gillis and Reems started in NYC on the legitimate stage. They took acting classes. They were audioning for mainstream work and in a lot of off- and off-off-Broadway plays. Both could have been mainstream performers but they did 8mm loops because they needed the money.
No one considers porn stars "actors." If they were they'd be in SAG-AFTRA.
“Cross over” implies a full-time, permanent career change.
Not doing a slasher movie and then going back to do porn. Most mainstream actresses would rather not do nudity so they ask performers who already don't mind.
Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood crossed over from being tv stars to A-list movie stars.
They didn’t go back. The Rock is probably a crossover because I don't think he's going back to wrestling and he's not just doing wrestling movies.
No porn star has permanently moved from porn to a full-time mainstream acting career that didn’t involve nudity.
One role where they're not naked doesn't count. Give me ten or fifteen.

 

[joegrine]

First of all, Gillis and Reems started in NYC on the legitimate stage. They took acting classes. They were audioning for mainstream work and in a lot of off- and off-off-Broadway plays. Both could have been mainstream performers but they did 8mm loops because they needed the money.
No one considers porn stars "actors." If they were they'd be in SAG-AFTRA.
“Cross over” implies a full-time, permanent career change.
Not doing a slasher movie and then going back to do porn. Most mainstream actresses would rather not do nudity so they ask performers who already don't mind.
Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood crossed over from being tv stars to A-list movie stars.
They didn’t go back. The Rock is probably a crossover because I don't think he's going back to wrestling and he's not just doing wrestling movies.
No porn star has permanently moved from porn to a full-time mainstream acting career that didn’t involve nudity.
One role where they're not naked doesn't count. Give me ten or fifteen.

I've mentioned Traci Lords twice and you've refused to acknowledge that. She has almost 200 non-XXX credits and I think she's done nudity only once or twice since she left porn 37 years ago (and that nudity was done in her earliest mainstream work)

 

[Piff Henderson]

First of all, Gillis and Reems started in NYC on the legitimate stage. They took acting classes. They were audioning for mainstream work and in a lot of off- and off-off-Broadway plays. Both could have been mainstream performers but they did 8mm loops because they needed the money.

You made it sound like they had small roles in film before porn. The stage is another thing altogether. I was just going by their filmography which shows Gillis did break through after years of porn.

No one considers porn stars "actors." If they were they'd be in SAG-AFTRA.

Stage actors aren't part of SAG-AFTRA. Are they not actors? Furthermore, even extras without speaking roles are covered by SAG-AFTRA as long they spend at least 3 days on set and ask for a voucher. It's not a high bar.

“Cross over” implies a full-time, permanent career change.

No it doesn't. It has never been used this narrowly and I've already given examples to show this.

Not doing a slasher movie and then going back to do porn. Most mainstream actresses would rather not do nudity so they ask performers who already don't mind.
Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood crossed over from being tv stars to A-list movie stars.

Agreed.

They didn’t go back.

Irrelevant.

The Rock is probably a crossover because I don't think he's going back to wrestling and he's not just doing wrestling movies.

He ventures back into wrestling from time-to-time since doing film. He crossed over since his first role in The Mummy.

No porn star has permanently moved from porn to a full-time mainstream acting career that didn’t involve nudity.
One role where they're not naked doesn't count. Give me ten or fifteen.

Nudity is irrelevant. You're the only one who considered that some important criteria. I didn't nor does anyone else who uses the term "cross over" so I'm not giving you any more examples.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I've mentioned Traci Lords twice and you've refused to acknowledge that. She has almost 200 non-XXX credits and I think she's done nudity only once or twice since she left porn 37 years ago (and that nudity was done in her earliest mainstream work)

His narrow definition for "cross over" only applies in his mind and no where else in reality. Two seconds on Google will show you this guy is wrong about everything he's claimed so far.

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[FuriousStyles]

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She has an amazing story. You can't help but to be happy for her. Personally, I couldn't have wifed her but if a bama was to wife an ex porn ho she's the kind you need to get.

 

[parisian]

Was that comment for me? I know her story, I was just adding to convo. She's amazing.

Anyway she still looks great.

no bro, the comment had no intent behind it, apologies if that's how it came accross, I was just trying to underline how indeed coming from what seems like a good home could not prevent her to fall into the traps of sex exploitation

 

[amolad]

You made it sound like they had small roles in film before porn. The stage is another thing altogether. I was just going by their filmography which shows Gillis did break through after years of porn.

Stage actors aren't part of SAG-AFTRA. Are they not actors? Furthermore, even extras without speaking roles are covered by SAG-AFTRA as long they spend at least 3 days on set and ask for a voucher. It's not a high bar.

No it doesn't. It has never been used this narrowly and I've already given examples to show this.

Agreed.

Irrelevant.

He ventures back into wrestling from time-to-time since doing film. He crossed over since his first role in The Mummy.

Nudity is irrelevant. You're the only one who considered that some important criteria. I didn't nor does anyone else who uses the term "cross over" so I'm not giving you any more examples.

“Cross over” implies a full-time, permanent career change.
Undeniable.
Mainstream actors talk of crossing over from tv to film all the time with the idea that it's permanent.
They want it to be.
Then either they continue acting in films OR....they go back to tv.
If they go back to tv, they have failed to cross over.
It happens all the time.

 

[amolad]

I've mentioned Traci Lords twice and you've refused to acknowledge that. She has almost 200 non-XXX credits and I think she's done nudity only once or twice since she left porn 37 years ago (and that nudity was done in her earliest mainstream work)

Minor roles in Z-list films doesn't really count.
A true crossover would be constant roles in things like Law & Order or FBI or even some of the things on obscure cable.
Not much different than Skinemax.

 

[Yeolias]

That's right. No porn star has ever "crossed over." That implies you have a new career in mainstream.
Everything else is a cameo because you have preceding fame.

The only person I’ve ever seen do it was model Jessie Andrews. She’s now more known for being a runway and print model these days than porn.