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Avatar director James Cameron shades Marvel movies in new interview with MCU star Zoe Saldaña

The actress has starred in three Guardians of the Galaxy films as well as Cameron's Avatar series.

By Joey NolfiOctober 26, 2022 at 09:51 AM EDT

Avatar director James Cameron is following The Way of Water far away from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The Oscar-winning Titanic helmer criticized MCU and DC productions — with Avatar and Guardians of the Galaxy actress Zoe Saldaña participating in the same conversation — in a recent interview with the The New York Times pegged to his upcoming blockbuster sequel.
Responding to a question about how fatherhood has changed his approach to moviemaking, the 68-year-old filmmaker said having children pushed his perspective to new places.

"I also want to do the thing that other people aren't doing. When I look at these big, spectacular films — I'm looking at you, Marvel and DC — it doesn't matter how old the characters are, they all act like they're in college,

" he said during the video conversation, which the Times noted also included Avatar actors Sam Worthington, Sigourney Weaver, and Saldaña.

He continued, "They have relationships, but they really don't. They never hang up their spurs because of their kids. The things that really ground us and give us power, love, and a purpose? Those characters don't experience it, and I think that's not the way to make movies."
The Times piece did not include a direct response from Saldaña. A representative for the actress did not immediately respond to EW's request for comment.



Confirming Cameron's sentiment, The Way of Water producer Jon Landau previously told EW that the planned Avatar sequels "are a story about family, and the lengths parents will go through to keep that family together and keep them safe," because there's "no more universal theme than family."

In addition to fronting the first Avatar film and helping rake in nearly $3 billion in global ticket sales between late 2009 and early 2010, Saldaña joined the MCU for 2014's James Gunn–directed smash Guardians of the Galaxy, which spawned a 2017 sequel. A third film is slated for release in 2023.
The success of Guardians led to Saldaña's character, the green-skinned hero Gamora, crossing over into the Avengers films, while she also appears in themed video footage inside Disneyland's Guardians of the Galaxy — Mission: Breakout! attraction as well as the new Disney World roller coaster Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind.
 

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Avatar director James Cameron shades Marvel movies in new interview with MCU star Zoe Saldaña

The actress has starred in three Guardians of the Galaxy films as well as Cameron's Avatar series.

By Joey NolfiOctober 26, 2022 at 09:51 AM EDT

Avatar director James Cameron is following The Way of Water far away from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The Oscar-winning Titanic helmer criticized MCU and DC productions — with Avatar and Guardians of the Galaxy actress Zoe Saldaña participating in the same conversation — in a recent interview with the The New York Times pegged to his upcoming blockbuster sequel.
Responding to a question about how fatherhood has changed his approach to moviemaking, the 68-year-old filmmaker said having children pushed his perspective to new places.

"I also want to do the thing that other people aren't doing. When I look at these big, spectacular films — I'm looking at you, Marvel and DC — it doesn't matter how old the characters are, they all act like they're in college,

" he said during the video conversation, which the Times noted also included Avatar actors Sam Worthington, Sigourney Weaver, and Saldaña.

He continued, "They have relationships, but they really don't. They never hang up their spurs because of their kids. The things that really ground us and give us power, love, and a purpose? Those characters don't experience it, and I think that's not the way to make movies."
The Times piece did not include a direct response from Saldaña. A representative for the actress did not immediately respond to EW's request for comment.



Confirming Cameron's sentiment, The Way of Water producer Jon Landau previously told EW that the planned Avatar sequels "are a story about family, and the lengths parents will go through to keep that family together and keep them safe," because there's "no more universal theme than family."

In addition to fronting the first Avatar film and helping rake in nearly $3 billion in global ticket sales between late 2009 and early 2010, Saldaña joined the MCU for 2014's James Gunn–directed smash Guardians of the Galaxy, which spawned a 2017 sequel. A third film is slated for release in 2023.
The success of Guardians led to Saldaña's character, the green-skinned hero Gamora, crossing over into the Avengers films, while she also appears in themed video footage inside Disneyland's Guardians of the Galaxy — Mission: Breakout! attraction as well as the new Disney World roller coaster Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind.
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SHOTS FIRED :gun02::gun03::gun02::gun03::gun06::gun06:

we will soon see

if that Avatar aint hitting?

Wooo boy

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we will soon see

if that Avatar aint hitting?

Wooo boy

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James Cameron: ain’t hitting? Have you watched the last few marvel series.. moon knight let’s not even talk about that.. by the way I actually know how to make female hero’s look cool.. marvel? (drops mic)
 

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James Cameron: ain’t hitting? Have you watched the last few marvel series.. moon knight let’s not even talk about that.. by the way I actually know how to make female hero’s look cool.. marvel? (drops mic)

I said IF

the operative word you are choosing to ignore is IF

I am consistent.

You better walk it like you talk it

that is all
 

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but the question is did he say something that wasn't true???

Yes. In the specific context yes it was a MASSIVE overgeneralization

and from a MASTER director

who gonna put up Avator and True Lies as deep character studies?

He been just making documentaries about the SAME SH*T for damn near the last decade

and chose as his comeback a SEQUEL to his biggest hit (which again was NOT exactly filled with unforgeable characters)

Yeah. don't take shots.

Make sure these films are good and come out on time.

Then take all the shots you want

If that will make him feel better.
 

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James Cameron: ain’t hitting? Have you watched the last few marvel series.. moon knight let’s not even talk about that.. by the way I actually know how to make female hero’s look cool.. marvel? (drops mic)

Bro...

stop that

you KNOW the merchandising numbers for marvel female heroes right?

Not just movies and tv so just put that aside

clothes? BOOKS? toys? school supplies?

Bro Marvel doing quite well

Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, Gamorra, THE CAST OF BLACK PANTHER PERIOD, Agent Carter, Black Widow, Kate Bishop, She Hulk, scarlett witch, spider gwen, too many in Star Wars (which kinda counts cause they doing Aphra from the Marvel comics)...

Go see how the Halloween costumes gonna be this year.

Like I say just cause YOU don't like it don't make it wack or a failure.

The target audience that specific demographic like it love it and supports it.

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Bro...

stop that

you KNOW the merchandising numbers for marvel female heroes right?

Not just movies and tv so just put that aside

clothes? BOOKS? toys? school supplies?

Bro Marvel doing quite well

Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, Gamorra, THE CAST OF BLACK PANTHER PERIOD, Agent Carter, Black Widow, Kate Bishop, She Hulk, scarlett witch, spider gwen, too many in Star Wars (which kinda counts cause they doing Aphra from the Marvel comics)...

Go see how the Halloween costumes gonna be this year.

Like I say just cause YOU don't like it don't make it wack or a failure.

The target audience that specific demographic like it love it and supports it.

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Not comparing marvel history..comparing current films.. stop acting like marvel didn’t have a big history b4 those movies.. notice you showed rogue and spider woman 2 individuals that weren’t on any marvel movies or had their own show..obviously I’m talking about she hulk, marvel girl and hell female Thor.. do you want to have a vote on which of those 3 vs James Cameron female hero’s? You know there’s no match… sigourney weaver/ripley>>> she hulk, marvel, female Thor combined

show your daughters this and they would faint with joy
 
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Not comparing marvel history..comparing current films.. stop acting like marvel didn’t have a big history b4 those movies.. notice you showed rogue and spider woman 2 individuals that weren’t on any marvel movies or had their own show..obviously I’m talking about she hulk, marvel girl and hell female Thor.. due you want to have a vote on which of those 3 vs James Cameron female hero’s? You know there’s no match… sigourney weaver/ripley>>> she hulk, marvel, female Thor combined

OK I misunderstood your point fam.

But I am going to address it fully

you already know

I will be back gotta run back to the hospital
 

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Not comparing marvel history..comparing current films.. stop acting like marvel didn’t have a big history b4 those movies.. notice you showed rogue and spider woman 2 individuals that weren’t on any marvel movies or had their own show..obviously I’m talking about she hulk, marvel girl and hell female Thor.. do you want to have a vote on which of those 3 vs James Cameron female hero’s? You know there’s no match… sigourney weaver/ripley>>> she hulk, marvel, female Thor combined

show your daughters this and they would faint with joy

dude youre forgetting the person who had the toughest line in the whole damn movie!

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James Cameron: ain’t hitting? Have you watched the last few marvel series.. moon knight let’s not even talk about that.. by the way I actually know how to make female hero’s look cool.. marvel? (drops mic)
James Cameron the only one made Disney money recently. :lol: Outside of Dr Strange, they haven't really made shit off movies(especially Marvel) until galaxy 3. Everything else lost or barely broke even. They lost hundreds of millions on Antman, Mermaid, and elemental. Every streaming show is a loss(she hulk was like flushing hundreds of millions down the toilet). About to lose with Indy. It's a fucking bloodbath.

They have killed all merchandising with this shit and partners are fucking pissed.

Yeah, Cameron can talk some shit. He gives audiences what they want. Doesn't create bullshit then yell at the fans for calling out the fuckery.
 

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James Cameron the only one made Disney money recently. :lol: Outside of Dr Strange, they haven't really made shit off movies(especially Marvel) until galaxy 3. Everything else lost or barely broke even. They lost hundreds of millions on Antman, Mermaid, and elemental. Every streaming show is a loss(she hulk was like flushing hundreds of millions down the toilet). About to lose with Indy. It's a fucking bloodbath.

They have killed all merchandising with this shit and partners are fucking pissed.

Yeah, Cameron can talk some shit. He gives audiences what they want. Doesn't create bullshit then yell at the fans for calling out the fuckery.

Really?

Okay we will see.
 

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Really?

Okay we will see.
If this do as bad as it is tracking(I think they said 60 million opening), this will be the one to push Disney close to $1 billion in losses with movies and summer ain't even over(and that isn't even counting streaming). They still got to close that Hulu shit too. That old cac Peltz about to act a fucking fool. I think Iger just wants him to have a heart attack. :lol: :roflmao3:

I don't think people understand how bad this is going for them. This is next-level bad. The likes of which we have never seen.
 

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If this do as bad as it is tracking(I think they said 60 million opening), this will be the one to push Disney close to $1 billion in losses with movies and summer ain't even over(and that isn't even counting streaming). They still got to close that Hulu shit too. That old cac Peltz about to act a fucking fool. I think Iger just wants him to have a heart attack. :lol: :roflmao3:

I don't think people understand how bad this is going for them. This is next-level bad. The likes of which we have never seen.

We will see.

I just want energy levels maintained throughout
 
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