FRANCIS NGANNOU: SIGNS LANDMARK PFL DEAL!
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Rising tides lift all boats...
I respek it...short term fight deal with variety of options/partnerships
Dana should get his head out his ass and do more cross promotional fights...only way to truly claim "best" or "goat" status imo
His ego can't stand anything being dictated by fighters
How's that slap league circus working out tho?
I respek it...short term fight deal with variety of options/partnerships
Dana should get his head out his ass and do more cross promotional fights...only way to truly claim "best" or "goat" status imo
His ego can't stand anything being dictated by fighters
How's that slap league circus working out tho?
I think they just carried the official announcement of him coming to the PFL.
Damn, good for him! This is some inspirational shit. Especially considering what he went through to get to this point.
Anything is possible with hard work, dedication, and consistency.
ater all the years and damage to the body , trainin camps &team etc his highest payday is $250k ?
think about it . Dana didnt want them makin any sidemoney , for fucksake ! these guys destroy their bodies for his company& they couldnt even get their personal sponsors in the cage yet they are supposedly "free agents" ? fuckin Matt brown after 18yrs biggest payday was $250k ! the more i think about it the more outrage i feel
ater all the years and damage to the body , trainin camps &team etc his highest payday is $250k ?
Over $300k since he got a $50k bonus plus that lil bit of Venum sponsor money etc., still not a big number but its more than majority of mma fighters
ater all the years and damage to the body , trainin camps &team etc his highest payday is $250k ?
Exactly. And he’s always been known as an action fighter, win or lose.
That’s what really pissed alot of fans off years back when fighters were no longer able to wear their sponsors into the cage. Now it’s corporate with the Reebok and now Venum gear. But alot of fighters made good money on sponsor deals. Some even in the 50-100k range per fight. That is not chump
change when the org’ already underpays you. At least let your talent supplement their incomes! Especially now as the org plasters their sponsors everywhere and monetizes Modelo. Bud Light Toyo Tires Harley Davidson Prime drink Monster and the latest movies.
The fighters have long needed to unionize. They deserve much
more money. They put the butts in seats, not Ari Emanuel or bitchass Dana, etc.
I used to say they needed to form a union but it'll never happen as there's way too many obstacles going that route. The more realistic route is to get the Ali Act in boxing expanded to MMA. Dana modeled the entire business model after Vince McMahon rather than boxing. Ari Emanuel also realized that which is why he knew these were the 2 companies he wanted to acquire since the margins are ridiculous due to how much they exploit the talent relative to other sports properties. They even made the statement at Endeavor they want to be both the Owner and the Commissioner to give them complete leverage over the talent which is how is always how the likes of Vince McMahon and Dana White ran things
Well said.
And credit to Francis for looking elsewhere to maximize his value and worth.
He was saying on DC and RC’s podcast there were several moments of frustration in recent years which led him to his decision.
Yeah if only the same sunset clause that was up on his contract was up on a Stipe or even Derrick Lewis it would've allowed PFL to sign them so now you can have a sellable Ngannou vs Stipe 3 or Ngannou vs Lewis 2 in PFL. He had really good reasons to be frustrated, even when he became HW champ he was still getting $600k plus $50-100k of ppv money plus like $40k so like less than $750k total a fight since he wasn't willing to sign an extension that they wanted to lock him up where he would've never had this freedom to be where he's at today. You know how ridiculous it is to make around $750k a fight as HW champ, i mean thats what Stipe was making too during his time. HW Boxers that were never even in the top 10 like Kownacki and Chisora have gotten many multi million dollar purses
Exactly. It’s embarassing that the main org in the sport pays so little. No wonder Francis and Nate finished out their contracts. I just hope that Nate and Conor can find a way to make a trilogy worth it (outside of the ufc). Don’t allow them to get a huge live gate and ppv buyrate off their backs again. Even if the payday is decent. It is still not great. BIG paydays are for big names in boxing.
Glad that Francis made a resounding decision that will create further ripples in the sport. Guys will fight their contracts out, and get the fuck outta there. And ufc will continue signing more Contender series talent on the cheap for small show / win deals.
Yep ! like i said , im a little sour it wasnt Jones gettin that becos he truly deserves it but it was Francis who pulled it off and i doff my hat to Francis who saw his worth & went for it! also becos now that mindset is gonna spread in the industry & fighters will begin to push for better situations, i still dont see a union hapening but at the very least they get to negotiate better deals
shit is funny as fuck ! and i know stingy ass Dana tight AF! its why hes trying to stack the next couple of fightsIts because they're such a centralized power in the MMA landscape that gives them the monopsony powers to exploit the fighters the way they do, UFC did $1.14 bil in revenue last yr, thats likely around 90% of all MMA global revenue or close to it. Boxing's overall global revenue is usually a little higher than MMA, how much depends on how many of the top tier boxers fight that year but there isn't any boxing promoter that has anywhere close to the market that UFC has in MMA so its a lot more decentralized. Everything in MMA is just heavily centralized, even on the management side pretty much all the fighters are with 1 of 3 management companies between Dominance which is Ali, Paradigm which is Audie Attar, First Round which are the Kawa Brothers.
Well said, man.
Good to see guys like John Nash and Luke Thomas talking about monopsony issues in the mainstream space too.
Nash was saying in a recent interview those key managers stay in the good graces of the org by signing the bulk of the talent and feeding them to an already overstuffed roster. Staying in the good graces of the ufc, even if it’s to the detriment of their clients signing shitty deals. The clients could probably do much better in another league, but those damn 3 letters (ufc) have and will always be their dream.
A white man's hubris and greed knows no fucking bounds. Dana should have put the Ngannou vs Jones fight together.
That fight could have been the biggest fight in history, arguably. The profits would have freaking astronomical.
But, as we all know... The white guy wants the whole pie. He may give you a piece of the crust if you're very lucky.
I would love to see a crossover this one time. White guys are just full of shit!
That fight could have been the biggest fight in history, arguably. The profits would have freaking astronomical.
But, as we all know... The white guy wants the whole pie. He may give you a piece of the crust if you're very lucky.
I would love to see a crossover this one time. White guys are just full of shit!
The fight would've happened in Ngannou re-signed w/ the UFC.A white man's hubris and greed knows no fucking bounds. Dana should have put the Ngannou vs Jones fight together.
That fight could have been the biggest fight in history, arguably. The profits would have freaking astronomical.
But, as we all know... The white guy wants the whole pie. He may give you a piece of the crust if you're very lucky.
I would love to see a crossover this one time. White guys are just full of shit!
Hopefully they will have one big ass crossover fight and everyone wins!!!
Yeah Keith Connolly is 1 of the biggest managers in Boxing and he's usually fluctuating around 15-18 boxers so he's incentivized to negotiate the most lucrative deals for them for his 20% or whatever rate he's taking especially since in Boxing you can shop around to multiple promoters that are around the same size. Now in MMA, when you're managing around 150 fighters like Ali is and there's only 1 promoter in Dana that has the size to take on a lot of those fighters as a wholesale deal basically, Ali is incentivized to do that deal wholesale to Dana rather than trying to get them each individually the most money
No company is going to risk their champion getting knocked out by it’s competition
Probably not, but it would be cool to see those two fight.
Dana feeling the heat mufukka stacked this card
mufukka stacked this card
My money would be on Jones all day in a street fight.
They fight two different sports so really the point is moot unless they meet in a dark alley somewhere.
Thanks for the info about Connolly.
Agreed re: Ali Abdelaziz. People were questioning his tactics dating back years. So many conflicts of interest and double-dipping going on. Especially when he was a part of WSOF (now known as PFL’s) admin team, but also managing plenty of fighters there and in the ufc and elsewhere too. Clear favoritism is and was shown to his clients ...
He’s african not black