As I’m watching over the previous seasons it hit me that no one bitched when Olenna admitted to poisoning Joffrey. How come that wasn’t bitched about as poor writing as they didn’t show clues that it was Olenna that did it? Oh that’s right y’all didn’t care cuz it was related to Joffrey’s death.
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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This character is just too complex for you.
I watch a lot of fucking tv. Shows with black and white villains turn me off. Shows where the good guys lose I enjoy. Shows with characters that make you cheer for the villain or anti heroes I enjoy and watch repeatedly. I say this to say to you that GoT has made it a damn habit of showing characters with many sides. Some good. Some villainous and some who straddle both sides. Characters who are grey or shades of grey.
Right now I’m watching over season 3 of GoT so no I’m not reading bullet points off a website. I literally am remembering from watching previous seasons on my laptop where I can pause episodes and watch over segments if need be.
In season 2 I took note that Dany felt off. I also learned my fucking lesson with Ned in season 1 to not believe characters at face value or else you will be disappointed and may end up dead like Ned. So something about Dany seemed nice but there was always something lurking beneath the surface with her that became more and more apparent as the seasons increased.
I gave you examples from multiple seasons OF THE SHOW and your reply was I’m just googling bullet points. Meaning you didn’t have any actual rebuttal from information obtained from the show. At this point it’s obvious you’re trolling or you just can’t understand the show.
Maybe you should watch Detective Pikachu instead? I heard it is quite a bit easier to follow.
Watching the season for a second time was really a great experience. Lots of subtle things I missed the first time around
Since season one, they showed she had violent tendencies. She just committed violence against people you didn’t like you you forgave, and even cheered it. And little by little, the offenses grew less and less grave. It went from being slavers to not bending the knee.
But you didn’t mind because Sam’s father was an asshole.
So time and time again you excused her violence until she commited violence against people you did not hate.
This is the same chick that used Jorah as a human shield to save herself then cried over his corpse.
How many more hints did you need?
But you didn’t mind because Sam’s father was an asshole.
So time and time again you excused her violence until she commited violence against people you did not hate.
This is the same chick that used Jorah as a human shield to save herself then cried over his corpse.
How many more hints did you need?
90% of this “bad writing” backlash are just Dany stans crying.
I just think she was still angry. She won to easily and she was still very much angry. Its like when people knock people out and still keep hitting them. She wasnt satisfied yet.
Really who in this show has done anything that wasnt self serving besides jon? I said a while ago, love the show dont care who wins because everyone is an asshole.
Fam if mothers fuckers really been paying attention, dany has been unlikable for a few seasons now.
Dany has been making bad decisions for the simple sake of "you didn t bend the knee"
You did see that both of her hands were chained and linked to chains on her feet, right? How was she(who's not a fighter at all) supposed to "pull the bitch over the side?"
Nah I didn't see her feet chained just her hands. If her feet were chained too then my bad.
What show are you watching?
For the 234th time... She. Chose. Fear.... aka SHOCK & AWE.
She burned the fuck outta EVERYONE in Kings Landing .... IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM TERRIFIED.... AND TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF KINGS LANDING.to deter anyone else from getting ‘any wild notions’ of overthrowing her.
Skip to the 8:40 mark... and listen to Tyrion.
See, the problem is.... people wanted Dany to win... ON THEIR OWN TERMS.
All her male advisors wanted her to win... but only by spilling as little bloodshed as possible.
But it’s WAR.
That’s not reasonable thing to expect.... in a War.
Sure, it might be reasonable to expect... if you are looking to make friends & keep some alliances in the North.
But what all these folks who keep complaining about Dany are not realizing is that the folks in Westeros are some UNGRATEFUL FUCKERS.
And Sansa is the “Numero Uno” prime example of that ‘ungrateful attitude’ she has had the whole time.
She straight up LIED to Dany’s face about everyone being ‘too tired’ to fight... because she DID NOT want to help Dany in any way at all.
Talk about character regression.
The Spoiled Bratty version of Sansa came running back from season 1.... all the way into the last 2 episodes of season 8.
Dany said.... “Fuck it. If I can’t get no love... and zero appreciation... and if I gotta do y’all a favor to come fight beside you... and lose all my loved ones for doing it.... then if that is not bad enough... I gotta ‘pull your teeth’ to get you to RECIPROCATE and fight for me.... then FUCK-ALL-O-Y’ALL.... I choose FEAR.”
Get Down. Or Lay Down.
The time for ‘showing appreciation’ is over.
And when Dany sees Sansa again....
Sansa: “What about the North?”
Dany: “You ran your mouth to Tyrion about Jon’s true parents... AFTER... you swore an oath to NEVER tell another living soul... you claimed the Northerners were too tired to fight another war so quickly, because it was YOU who was tired of abiding by your King’s oath.
Your have no respect for anyone.
Your King was your family.
And you cast him aside as soon as he left Winterfell to get help to save YOUR OWN ASS.
You are a Snake. With no loyalty. Not even to your own family. You are only loyal when it is convenient for you to be so.
Jon saved you at the Battle of the Bastards.... and you rewarded his sacrifice with LIES about your allegiances to Littlefinger. You conspired behind his back with the enemies of your family.
Then I saved you against the White Walkers. Without my Dragons, nobody would have lived long enough to kill the Night King.And you reward MY sacrifices with LIES about your troops’ readiness for battle. You conspired behind MY back as well, and suggested that someone else should sit the Iron Throne.... until the day you can undermine him. Once Again. With more lies about your allegiances.
Bend. That. Knee. Bitch.
Or talk to Drogon about the North.”
Nah, Sansa fans ain’t gonna be ready for that.I can hear them bitching about the writing already.
Better hope Arya can kill Dany BEFORE she deals with Sansa.
I'm in all agreement on the Sansa points. Strangely, all of the "She's so smart" and "She knows how to play the game" etc crowd are nowhere to be found.
As for Dany, nah brah! You go after Cersei the very first opportunity you get. You don't fuck around buring women and children, providing an opportunity for Cersei and crew to escape. Cersei is mission #1. After Which you can "flex" on unarmed women and children.
Just watched it again.. Her hands were chained.
Don't see chains on her boots. As she fell her legs spread. Wide enough that even if she did have chains she could take a step. Cersi wasn't a fighter either. Her inaction was designed to progress the plot. She could have pulled cersi over in a murder/suicide deal when she grabbed her arm.
And if that's the case I'm saying it's bad writing seeing as how whomever sides with Jon, is automatically under Danaerys... So again, then she burned the city for no reason.
Bruh just admit that you are Team Dany cause the deflection is bad
What show are you watching?
For the 234th time... She. Chose. Fear.... aka SHOCK & AWE.
She burned the fuck outta EVERYONE in Kings Landing .... IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM TERRIFIED.... AND TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF KINGS LANDING.
Skip to the 8:40 mark... and listen to Tyrion.
See, the problem is.... people wanted Dany to win... ON THEIR OWN TERMS.
All her male advisors wanted her to win... but only by spilling as little bloodshed as possible.
But it’s WAR.
That’s not reasonable thing to expect.... in a War.
Sure, it might be reasonable to expect... if you are looking to make friends & keep some alliances in the North.
But what all these folks who keep complaining about Dany are not realizing is that the folks in Westeros are some UNGRATEFUL FUCKERS.
And Sansa is the “Numero Uno” prime example of that ‘ungrateful attitude’ she has had the whole time.
She straight up LIED to Dany’s face about everyone being ‘too tired’ to fight... because she DID NOT want to help Dany in any way at all.
Talk about character regression.
The Spoiled Bratty version of Sansa came running back from season 1.... all the way into the last 2 episodes of season 8.
Dany said.... “Fuck it. If I can’t get no love... and zero appreciation... and if I gotta do y’all a favor to come fight beside you... and lose all my loved ones for doing it.... then if that is not bad enough... I gotta ‘pull your teeth’ to get you to RECIPROCATE and fight for me.... then FUCK-ALL-O-Y’ALL.... I choose FEAR.”
Get Down. Or Lay Down.
The time for ‘showing appreciation’ is over.
And when Dany sees Sansa again....
Sansa: “What about the North?”
Dany: “You ran your mouth to Tyrion about Jon’s true parents... AFTER... you swore an oath to NEVER tell another living soul... you claimed the Northerners were too tired to fight another war so quickly, because it was YOU who was tired of abiding by your King’s oath.
Your have no respect for anyone.
Your King was your family.
And you cast him aside as soon as he left Winterfell to get help to save YOUR OWN ASS.
You are a Snake. With no loyalty. Not even to your own family. You are only loyal when it is convenient for you to be so.
Jon saved you at the Battle of the Bastards.... and you rewarded his sacrifice with LIES about your allegiances to Littlefinger. You conspired behind his back with the enemies of your family.
Then I saved you against the White Walkers. Without my Dragons, nobody would have lived long enough to kill the Night King.And you reward MY sacrifices with LIES about your troops’ readiness for battle. You conspired behind MY back as well, and suggested that someone else should sit the Iron Throne.... until the day you can undermine him. Once Again. With more lies about your allegiances.
Bend. That. Knee. Bitch.
Or talk to Drogon about the North.”
Nah, Sansa fans ain’t gonna be ready for that.
Better hope Arya can kill Dany BEFORE she deals with Sansa.
man yall are some Dany Stans......"She was supposed to burn those kids.......its all about war."
FOH
How come no one is calling out Arya surviving at the end? Every single person around her died and all she got was a little dusty, come on son! Its like the show puts in cheat codes for some characters when they cant come up with a good story line that makes sense.
Hero of what? Who is Dany saving them from, what danger was Cersei to the people?
It’s totally unfathomable to you that she survives? You do see that her skills help her (barely) to survive?
What skills saved her from fire and falling debris?
Knowing not to fucking stay put. Knowing not to stay on the same path for too long when Dany is strafing in. Moving early enough (barely) to get away. That child with the horse for example went back when she should have left her mother. I’m not saying luck didn’t play a part too but Arya gave herself better chances than others at times.
That actress is damn good and there was set up that was done in a much better way.
Y'all niggas still do not get the criticism do you? It is the writing and the execution of the scenes that are BAD.
A character doing something shocking isn't an issue if it is done well.
Y'all niggas still do not get the criticism do you? It is the writing and the execution of the scenes that are BAD.
A character doing something shocking isn't an issue if it is done well.
Sam's father was at war with her----- in rebellion! She gave him opportunity to bend the knee. Even though we didn't like it, it made sense.
She is the Mad Queen I get it. Cool. They did it in a bad way. Y'all niggas still saying the show is as good as season 1 is what niggas is really complaining about.
Ned Stark beheaded a member of the Night's Watch for deserting. He didn't even hear him out. That was fucked up and evil. We knew since day one that every character was full of shit. Turns out dude that deserted was sent to search for White Walkers and found him. He was there searching with Lord Royce's son!
She is the Mad Queen I get it. Cool. They did it in a bad way. Y'all niggas still saying the show is as good as season 1 is what niggas is really complaining about.
Ned Stark beheaded a member of the Night's Watch for deserting. He didn't even hear him out. That was fucked up and evil. We knew since day one that every character was full of shit. Turns out dude that deserted was sent to search for White Walkers and found him. He was there searching with Lord Royce's son!
What? Now you just typing bullshit just to type bullshit. Arya survived because of PLOT.
Get the fuck outta here. Now you are just a clown!
Get the fuck outta here. Now you are just a clown!
No Dani isn't an anti hero. She is a hero turned villain. Get it right.
Jaime is more of an anti hero.
Jaime is more of an anti hero.
You can’t even explain yourself. Always miss details. The show gave precedence to characters not dying today. The BOOK also does this for certain characters. It’s a running theme but you are so caught up you don’t see it. What do we say to the God of Death? NOT TODAY.
I’m happy to debate. Actual debate with things we LITERALLY see in the show. Y’all come with simpleton replies.
Dany is flawed. Jaime is flawed. Cersei is a cunt who is flawed. Many characters are flawed. Not everyone has to fall into straight up tropes like hero, villain, anti hero etc. Not everyone has to fit into a particular defined box.
The last 30 minutes was Arya running around and every single person dying around her. As if she was a super hero.
She died like 3 times. It was lame. What is going to be lame is how easy Arya dies next episode after she survived all this other bullshit.
She died like 3 times. It was lame. What is going to be lame is how easy Arya dies next episode after she survived all this other bullshit.
I state facts and this is your counter? It’s clear you don’t have any grounds to support the“Sansa is some clean character that had no role in what happened narrative.” The mere suggestion is ludicrous.
So instead of admitting “yeah, your right! Sansa didn’t help the situation” you’d rather throw some wild haymakers hoping to hit something...anything!
”Team Dany” is a popular hailmary at the moment so I’ll use that.
Weak!
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It “made sense” because we didn’t like Sam’s father. You saw the look on Tyrion’s face when she did that? That didn’t register in your brain that something isn’t all that ok with this scene? She is tyrannical like many other rulers before. No different. Rule by power and fear alone. That was just a glimpse of what truly was coming from her.
Just watched it again.. Her hands were chained.
Don't see chains on her boots. As she fell her legs spread. Wide enough that even if she did have chains she could take a step. Cersi wasn't a fighter either. Her inaction was designed to progress the plot. She could have pulled cersi over in a murder/suicide deal when she grabbed her arm.
She could have but didn’t. What’s the point? That’s not how they wanted a major character like Cersei to die.
Moreover if she killed Cersei right there then what’s the point going forward? The show would basically be over.
Bottom line a lot of characters could have done this or that but that’s not how these things work.
But you’re right in pointing out her feet wasn’t chained. It may have been in the first scene where they showed she was captured. I could have been wrong there also.
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For the last few seasons has the show showed you that Arya is NOT like every single person in King’s Landing? Did you not see Arya being a bit more aware of her surroundings compared to regular folk? She gets lucky with respect to not being trampled. She sees the tower cracking and doesn’t stay put. She sees Dany coming in for a strafe and what does she do? Run in a straight line? No.
That’s not super hero shit. You accept Dany not being able to be burned but you can’t accept that Arya barely got away due to being slightly more aware of dangers compared to the average person? It’s so unfathomable?
Exactly...
Ita bad writing because the show was character driven where everything revolved around relationships which built up to the big action pieces. The last 2 seasons they have changed the story telling technique and pump faked on character arcs and the show has suffered because of it.