Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

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In reality...

Sansa saying the North is independent means Yara would say the Iron Islands are independent and also the new Dornish prince would say Dorne is independent.

Iron Born and Dorne never wanted any part of the Seven Kingdoms anyway.

It kills me that they didnt even bother to make the ending believable for GoT fans.
 
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Yeah I know Tony was killed. I also remember that he was on his way to getting indicted and wasn't gonna win.

For GOT it really should have ended with Dany on the throne!!

Yep. I have heard it proposed it was us. The big thing with the Sopranos is that the end is coming for Tony Soprano and for us all. Tony may meet his fate in a courtroom. Remember Carlo had flipped. Or Tony could be whacked by someone. That could be anyone as represented by the dude in the Members Only Jacket. Then again he could live the rest of his days looking over his shoulder. I have always leaned toward Tony being whacked. I think for GoT fans the discussion will always be around Dany. The heel turn that wasn't.(or was) I'm ok with that as these kinds of discussions add a dimension to the show that makes rewatching them rewarding.
 

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Welp, looks like they showed us the ending before. She approaches the Iron Throne exactly the same as in this episode, reaches out for it exactly the same, and right after joins Drogo and her son in the afterlife.

 

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Just makin sure I'm clear......Greyworm "shut ya midget ass up, you have no right to speak here..." Tyrion, the prisoner, in chains, speaks for 5 minutes and nominates his choice for King who then not only pardons him but makes him his hand immediately. Anyone re-read this script before they started filming?

Greyworm was bloodlusting. He just be killed unarmed men, innocents, dudes on their knees.........but he didn't kill the man that killed his Queen

Where the fuck did Arya get her ship and crew from at the end to go become christina columbus

Brienne broke her oath protecting Sansa to go become capt of the Kingsguard for Bran and to update Jamie's wikipedia

Podrick became kingsguard to wheel bran around and change his daipers

How is Bran getting up and down the towers since they aint got elevators
 
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah

I mean the writers are lame. They could have had some "new" characters show up in new positions.

There are plenty of people. To have empty positions too is super lame.

Just makin sure I'm clear......Greyworm "shut ya midget ass up, you have no right to speak here..." Tyrion, the prisoner, in chains, speaks for 5 minutes and nominates his choice for King who then not only pardons him but makes him his hand immediately. Anyone re-read this script before they started filming?

Greyworm was bloodlusting. He just be killed unarmed men, innocents, dudes on their knees.........but he didn't kill the man that killed his Queen

Where the fuck did Arya get her ship and crew from at the end to go become christina columbus

Brienne broke her oath protecting Sansa to go become capt of the Kingsguard for Bran and to update Jamie's wikipedia

Podrick became kingsguard to wheel bran around and change his daipers

How is Bran getting up and down the towers since they aint got elevators
 

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A lot of people having a problem with the ending. The same thing happened with the Soprano's, people didn't like that ending either.

John is the rightful King and he somehow should have ended up on the throne even though he didn't want it.

He's was a natural leader, men wanted to follow him, hell at times I was like I'll run through a wall for this nigga.... :smh::lol:
 

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So let me get this straight...a win for them is a bunch of neutered muthafuckas to go be around each other...no bitches?

Those muthafuckas are just going to get old and die off?

a major fuck up on their part :rolleyes:

very disappointing season/series finale...I could live w/ the ending even bran as fucking king if the writers took their time getting us there...HBO offered them the opportunity to do 3 more seasons/30 episodes after season 6...D&D went for 2 seasons and 13 eps and what we ended up w/ was this rushed mess smh...I’m just here to read @stretchwallz series finale send-off :(
 

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Just makin sure I'm clear......Greyworm "shut ya midget ass up, you have no right to speak here..." Tyrion, the prisoner, in chains, speaks for 5 minutes and nominates his choice for King who then not only pardons him but makes him his hand immediately. Anyone re-read this script before they started filming? Tyrion was quiet until he was asked ‘direct’ questions. And Greyworm allowed him to answer fully. The action wasn’t hard to follow, bruh.

Greyworm was bloodlusting. He just be killed unarmed men, innocents, dudes on their knees.........but he didn't kill the man that killed his Queen. Greyworm was following orders. He even said so before he executed the Lannister Soldiers. Without Dany giving him orders, he has to think long-term & not act purely out of rage & adrenaline in the short-term. Not that hard to figure out, bruh.

Where the fuck did Arya get her ship and crew from at the end to go become christina columbus. Arya doesn’t have her own ship. Never did. She pays for her rides. The same way she paid to go to & from Braavos. The wasn’t hard to figure out, bruh.

Brienne broke her oath protecting Sansa to go become capt of the Kingsguard for Bran and to update Jamie's wikipedia. Or Sansa released her from her oath & asked her to protect Bran instead, because he needs her more. Not that hard to figure out.

Podrick became kingsguard to wheel bran around and change his daipers. Because ‘performing the duties of a squire’ is what Podrick does BEST. Not that hard to figure out, bruh.

How is Bran getting up and down the towers since they aint got elevators. The same way he was getting on & off horses when Tyrion designed a saddle for him. People carry him. Not that hard to figure out, bruh
Fixed that for you.
 
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The leaks we're out since the beginning of the year. So I don't know how much, guess work went into his thoughts.
This guy's theories are based mostly off books and GRRMs own statements so I think he legit came to the conclusion without spoiler info.

He was also way off on some of the specifics such as Bran warging into Drogo to destroy KL after the army of the Dead take it over.

His videos are actually pretty thoughtful and insightful without taking gigantic leaps like some people do. Check out his white saviour complex trope vid

 

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a couple weeks ago I was trying to tell you that Jon did the right thing letting Ghost roll and avoid the war.
What you think the unsullied would've done to Ghost or shit the dragon escaping hell fire?
Damn was Ghost there at the end rolling with Jon like a good boy or......

I'm just saying.

Didn't even catch the episode yet, but... If Jon went back for his pooch then we all Kool and the gang.
 

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The last episode was to predictable. I told wifey what was gonna go down before the show came on and I was 80% right. The only things I was wrong on was. I thought the unsullied would fall to pieces after this chic died, and I didn't expect john to get banished to the wall, therefore I didn't see Bran as king.
 

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What I love about the throne burning scene is that its showing that the dragons understood everything that was going on.

I wish Jon and Greyworm would have thrown down for a few rounds.

I wish Jon didnt forgive Sansa.

I wish Tyrion would have thrown it in Dany's face that he freed Jaime to ring the bells and that he did ring the bells but she slaughtered everyone anyways.
 

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How many times did Tyrion survive capture with upcoming execution in this series?
LOL 3 times! 4 if you count the time Jorah captures him in Essos and drags him to Dany.

Jamie is another character who stayed in pre trial custody before getting released on personal recognizance bonds

The only thing that took out Lannisters were other Lannisters
 

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Now that's its finished....

They should have at least did a full season (10) for last season a and least 8 episodes for the final...

Those extra 5 hours would have given them room to flesh out the plot and ending more....

You could have done another 10 seasons and people still would not have accepted Daenerys’ “turning”
 

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How many times did Tyrion survive capture with upcoming execution in this series?
LOL 3 times! 4 if you count the time Jorah captures him in Essos and drags him to Dany.

Jamie is another character who stayed in pre trial custody before getting released on personal recognizance bonds

The only thing that took out Lannisters were other Lannisters
 

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LOL 3 times! 4 if you count the time Jorah captures him in Essos and drags him to Dany.

Jamie is another character who stayed in pre trial custody before getting released on personal recognizance bonds

The only thing that took out Lannisters were other Lannisters
and a brick wall
 

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You could have done another 10 seasons and people still would not have accepted Daenerys’ “turning”

True or not, the "turning" was executed extremely poorly.

In the end the character was handled poorly. Shes always wanted the throne and she didnt even get to sit on it before she was already making plans to invade another continent.
 

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i need to hear what GRRM has to say about this...

He shouldn't get to say shit. He stopped his involvement with the show.

I dont know why we accept this guy doing anything other then finishing his damn book.

I dont want to see or hear anything from him until the book is done.
 

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HBO Game of Thrones Recap: Series Finale

Are you not entertained?

This episode was written and directed by the showrunners, Benioff and Weiss. In the aftermath of the sack and burning of King's Landing. Tyrion walks through the ashes, followed by at a distance by Davos and Jon Snow. There are dead bodies all over the place. It looks like a napalm bomb hit the place which is pretty much what occurred. Tyrion's face expresses disbelief, rage, and pain all at once. Tyrion leaves for what remains of the Red Keep. He doesn't want any escort from Jon or Davos.
Reaching the Red Keep Tyrion finds that his small stature helps him negotiate some otherwise blocked passageways. He finds his brother's and sister's bodies. He starts to dig them out but breaks down. This is some strong acting here. The lack of dialog here and in the introduction sets the stage for how the audience feels about things. We may not care that Cersei and Jaime are dead. One or both of them probably deserved it. But we do care that their deaths have had a devastating impact on Tyrion.
Strolling through the city, Jon, Davos and a small contingent of their men come across Grey Worm and a much larger contingent of Unsullied preparing to execute Lannister prisoners. Obviously Jon disagrees with this and expresses his opinion. Grey Worm retorts that these are orders from Queen Daenerys so back the f*** up off of him!!! Jon grabs Grey Worm's arm but that wasn't the move as the Unsullied immediately direct scores of spear points at Jon and his crew. Not wanting to die that day Davos talks Jon down and suggests speaking to Daenerys. Jon stalks off in that direction as Grey Worm slits throats. Later we see Arya following Jon, but keeping her distance.
Daenerys is at the ruins of the Red Keep. She is dressed all in black in what appears to be a blatant reference to the sartorial choices of a certain group of 20th century fascists.

Just in case the SS chic clothing is not enough of a hint to you of what she's become, she addresses her massed ranks of Dothraki and Unsullied, looking just like the stormtroopers in 1938 Nuremberg. Jon watches her. Daenerys thanks everyone for their service and reminds them of the great things they've accomplished.
But the war for liberation is not over. Daenerys intends not only to mop up any resistance in Westeros but also to impose her will throughout the entire known world. Everyone deserves her leadership. Whether they know it or not. The black and red Targaryen banner flutters in the wind.
Daenerys' troops respond with cheers and spear stomps. It's apparent that Daenerys is high on adulation. She almost has a facial expression like she just--well let's just say she's having a good time. Tyrion appears behind Daenerys, staring at her for a minute before walking next to her. Daenerys tells Tyrion that he betrayed her by releasing Jaime. Tyrion replies that Daenerys slaughtered a city. And that is a greater harm than anything he's ever done.
Looking right into her eyes the whole time, Tyrion takes off his Hand badge and throws it down the steps. Daenerys has Tyrion arrested. Tyrion gives a meaningful look to Jon before he's hauled off. Providing some Captain Obvious exposition Arya appears next to Jon and tells him that he'll always be a threat to Daenerys and that she (Arya) knows a killer when she sees one.


Going to see Tyrion in an improvised jail cell, Jon says he can't justify what Daenerys did but that she is still their Queen. Tyrion says that is bs and that Varys was right. Tyrion shoots down Jon's attempts at deflection by pointing out that as horrible as Cersei and Tywin were, Daenerys is worse.
Referencing events that were raised on this blog and elsewhere Tyrion argues that Daenerys has always preferred fire and blood for her enemies. And anyone who isn't 100% submissive is an enemy. It's just that now she's in Westeros and not burning slavers or foreigners that people can see that she's despotic. She hasn't changed; our reactions have.
Understanding what Tyrion is asking him to do, Jon recites what he was taught in the Night's Watch, that "Love is the death of duty". Tyrion responds that sometimes duty is the death of love. Tyrion says he won't be the last man Daenerys executes. But Jon still can't imagine doing what Tyrion is asking, even if Daenerys turns on him. In a nice callback to Season One when Varys and Ned had a similar conversation in prison, Tyrion tells Jon ok if you don't care about yourself then fine but what about your sisters?





Daenerys has entered the blasted throne room of the Red Keep.The ceiling is half gone. There is either snow or ash still falling. But the Iron Throne stands. Her eyes get really big. The throne is finally hers. She touches it and is just about to sit on it.
Jon also enters. He asks her what about the prisoner executions, city destroyed, and children burned.
Daenerys shrugs, saying you can't build an omelette without breaking some eggs in the process. She is also dismissive of Jon's pleas to forgive Tyrion, saying that rulers can't hide behind small mercies. Daenerys is building a new world, one that will justify all the violence up until now.
It will be one with her in charge of course because she knows what is good. To Jon's expressed doubts on this moral outlook she replies that others don't get to choose. Duh! Her megalomania is in full effect. But she still wants Jon at her side. The aunt and nephew embrace and kiss. Jon tells her that she is his queen for now and always.
And he stabs her in the heart.


Daenerys dies in Jon's arms, a shocked look on her face, as Jon cries. Drogon knows something is up. Drogon flies up to the throne room and sniffs Daenerys' corpse. Drogon tries to get her up. Drogon becomes more and more agitated.
The dragon menaces Jon but strangely doesn't devour him or incinerate him. Drogon does melt down the Iron Throne. Drogon gently scoops up Daenerys' body and flies off, not to be seen again.Later on, Grey Worm and Unsullied march Tyrion to the dragonpit where the most of the representatives of the Seven Kingdoms are gathered, including the three surviving Stark children. Grey Worm wants to kill both Jon Snow and Tyrion. But without a ruler, who will give the order. There is no ruler. There must be a ruler.

Edmure Tully stands up and starts to give a convoluted halting introduction as to why he's the best choice before his niece Sansa politely asks him to sit down. Sam argues that since the ruler's decisions impact everyone shouldn't everyone get a say. That makes just about everyone bust a gut laughing. The nobles would just as soon as dogs or horses their views on politics as they would the commoner. Yara wants to kill Jon but Arya calmly says she'll kill Yara if she says that again.


Tyrion suggests that Bran be the next ruler because he has the best story to tell and an opportunity to unite people around it. Sansa disagrees because Bran can't do the do and produce heirs. Tyrion responds that then that is an excellent reason to not have hereditary rulers any more but ones chosen by the Lords and Ladies of the land-like those gathered here today.
Bran says why do you think I came all this way. Bran is chosen by all gathered there, even by Davos who mumbles that he's not sure that he gets a vote. Sansa says nothing personal little brother but the North has been through too much. The North is going to be independent. Bran choose Tyrion as his Hand.
Grey Worm doesn't like this and still wants to kill Jon. The compromise is that Jon will be sent to the Night's Watch. It's unclear as to whether Grey Worm is aware that in some aspects the Night's Watch doesn't exist, or at least its purpose doesn't. In any event we get the final montage of events. The Unsullied are leaving for Naarth--Missandei's homeland.
Jon says goodbye to his siblings/cousins.


Sansa wants forgiveness from Jon which he gives. Arya says she's going to explore the unknown to the west of Westeros. Bran tells Jon that Jon was exactly where he was supposed to be. Brienne looks through the Kingsguard Book of Deeds and updates Jaime's entry with a quite positive list of accomplishments.
Tyrion oversees the Small Council meeting which now includes Davos and Bronn, who did get Highgarden. In a bit of humor Bronn is Master of Coin and is very interested in rebuilding brothels. Sam has helped edit a recent history of events which leaves Tyrion out of the story, much to Tyrion's annoyance. Arya is on a ship heading west. Sansa is crowned Queen of the North. Jon reaches Castle Black where Tormund and Ghost are waiting. Jon pets Ghost and gets a nuzzle/lick in return. Jon, Tormund and various Free Folk head north of the Wall. So is Jon the new King-Beyond-The Wall? I think so. There's a certain circular pattern to Jon's life which is comforting in some aspects.
And that's all folks...

Impressions
Is that it? Hmmh. Wake me when you're done. I guess you'll be the only one having fun.

I've said it before and I'll say it one final time. The showrunners did themselves a disservice by shortening the story so drastically. Everything felt rushed this season. Everything. It was a little too obvious that the showrunners wanted to move on to other things. We should have have a better ending season without so many things being dropped on the viewer's head like an anvil.
I figured that Sansa was going to end up ruling the North. Her training in manipulation under Littlefinger and Cersei paid off, even if you can argue that it was put to good use here. Jon never wanted to lead, even when he was good at it, as he was briefly as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. It is ironic to say the last that Jon saves Westeros and perhaps the world from a dictator and is rewarded by being exiled. It didn't seem like the show lived up to the R+L =J reveal and all that it meant.
The permanent revolution that Daenerys was advocating was not that different from similar bloody minded people like Alexander the Great, Napoleon, or Trotsky. Whether people think such rulers good or not often depends on if they win and who writes the history books.
I don't recall the exact numbers or even if the showrunners actually laid them out but there are thousands of fanatically devoted Unsullied and Dothraki surrounding Jon when he murders Daenerys. Even if a particularly cool headed Unsullied leader saw some value in imprisoning Jon that probably wouldn't happen. You assassinate someone while you're surrounded by her enforcers, you're not getting out alive. They would have killed Jon, torn him limb from limb and put his head on a pike. There would have been continuing battle in King's Landing.
I guess that the book prophecy that Azor Ahai would save the world by killing his beloved came true.
People in the Stormlands were presumably living their lives just fine before Gendry arrived and told everyone he's their new ruler. Maybe, as Sam suggested, it would have been useful to see what life without noble rule looked like.
There is really no reason (that shortened season again) why the other Houses would accept not only a Stark as an overall ruler but also an independent North. All of the regions were independent before the Targaryen conquest 300 years prior. It isn't just the North who would want that again. Human nature says that if I see someone get cake then I am going to want some cake too, even if I wasn't thinking about it before. If the North gets independence, why not the Vale or Dorne or The Iron Islands. The idea of people accepting a ruler because he has a good story seems, well odd, off and a little out of character.


I liked the nobles' derision of democracy. In the books, Tyrion has a similar response when he hears about an area which practices it. The elites may want freedom of action and choice for themselves, but they rarely want or tolerate that foe everyone else.
Again the Dothraki and Unsullied just kicked a$$ and took names. Even without a dragon to back them up why would they leave. Or are the Dothraki staying? Although the Unsullied can't enjoy what most conquerors enjoy the Dothraki certainly can. Seemed like there should have been some of both groups remaining in Westeros and taking lands and titles for themselves. I mean, who's going to stop them? Also again if the Unsullied want to kill Jon and Tyrion right there in front of everyone who is going to stop them?
Did Drogon recognize Jon as the "rightful" king? Because I don't get why Drogon, who will barbecue anyone who looks funny at Daenerys, didn't kill Jon. Instead he just melts the throne and flies off? If that is not plot armor I don't know what is. That part really stunk I thought.
I felt that Clarke and Harrington really sold the surprise and grief, respectively, at the final betrayal of Daenerys. You can see why it had to be done and yet be sad that it was done.
Anyhow, that's it. Thanks for reading.
 
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